Welcome back to another TST Slack Chat, where 3k, BMule and I discuss a handful of topics. This week we talk about the Los Angeles Rams’ trade sending ILB Alec Ogletree to the New York Giants, the trade with the Miami Dolphins to send them OLB Robert Quinn, free agency options at ILB, and more.
Hittman (TST Contributor Sosa Kremenjas): Welcome back to another weekly session of Slack Chat, let’s jump right into it!
Joe McAtee (TST Managing Editor 3k): What are we supposed to talk about
There’s been no news for the Rams
Its so quiet
BMule (TST Contributor BMule): Boring offseason
Hittman: Question 1: We haven’t gotten to discuss the Robert Quinn trade. What’s your opinions, and does this stress a early round selection of an edge player, say round one?
Joe McAtee: I dunno if Mule can answer. He might still be in mourning.
BMule: Well, first off. This signals that there’s most definitely a plan at EDGE we don’t have all the pieces to yet
But I’m not sure how you can’t stress EDGE in round 1
Hittman: I mean I was clearly a fan. Quinn was a diminishing player eating up a large amount of cap. The fact that they didn’t cut him and got something in return was a big win for me
Joe McAtee: There’s clearly a plan that pretty much nobody anticipated
(or there’s no plan...)
Hittman: Do you guys think it’s a “even if good players are gone reach for a Edge in round 1” type situation?
Joe McAtee: No
Hittman: I don’t think so either
BMule: The cap, the diminishing play, all that’s warranted. But there’s so few replacements wondering on the free market
Hittman: Very true
Joe McAtee: Yeah, you can’t outright replace Quinn in FA
Hittman: Does this speak more to their confidence in OLBs Samson Ebukam and Matt Longacre, or just a “we’ll deal with it later” type situation?
BMule: We’ll deal with it later
Hittman: I tend to lean the same way
Edge rushers aren’t easy to acquire though, and us being in the market for two now is daunting with no high pick and a lack of a second-round pick in the 2018 NFL Draft
BMule: Longacre is a fine player but he’s fine because he’s a sub. Throw him as a full-time starter, and I have no doubts he’s not as effective
Joe McAtee: I’m now kinda getting firmly in the IDFK camp
BMule: Which is why there must be some outside of the box plan
DL in play?
Hittman: I wouldn’t doubt it at all
BMule: Pass rush comes in a few different forms
Joe McAtee: Yup
Sure as hell did in 2017
BMule: Maybe Florida DT Taven Bryan could be an option?
Hittman: It’s clear nobody has any idea what’s going on anymore, but a trade would not shock me at all, even though I can’t see it happening
Joe McAtee: A draft trade or current player trade?
Hittman: Current player trade
Joe McAtee: You rule nothing out for Lester P. Snead, Jr.
Hittman: Very, very true
BMule: He’s a wizard
Hittman: In fact, I think he just traded me. Hold on.
Joe McAtee: Dude is trying to trade two unused helmets and Joey the Nutritionist for a six-pack of socks
Hittman: Or a sixth round pick?
Joe McAtee: Fair market value for Joey, IMO
BMule: “We all we need!” 2018 NFL Draft entire sixth round shouts
Hittman: Alright, lets head over to question #2 boys
Thoughts on the Ogletree trade? What’s the best means to replace him, free agency or the draft?
Les is a magician
Free agency for me. Considering the whole EDGE thing
Hittman: I was in total shock. A big extension a few months prior and now kicked to the curb
Joe McAtee: Yeah, I think it’s clear the contract team and Les’ team are not really in sync
Hittman: For the record, I absolutely loved the deal. You can get cheaper at ILB and much better, which would go a long way to fixing the run stuffing issue
BMule: I had resorted to believing the rams had to cut ILB Mark Barron simply because Ogletree was immovable. Welp. What a pleasant surprise
Hittman: I am also a free agency delver when it comes to ILB
Joe McAtee: Yeah, you can get solid ILB out of FA this year
Hittman: It’s a cheaper position and has a bunch of quality in FA. It’s too perfect
BMule: Denver Broncos ILB Todd Davis already has a locker in LA
Joe McAtee: You love that Todd Davis connection
BMule: It’s too easy man
Hittman: Les should make us happy and double dip in the ILB pool
Transform the front seven
BMule: Well, it’s currently being demolished so
Joe McAtee: If Tennessee Titans ILB Avery Williamson hits the market, he could be in play too
Hittman: I’m a Nigel Bradham guy
Joe McAtee: Yeah, there are options
BMule: There’s options of every resource level
Joe McAtee: Were you guys surprised at how vocal the Rams players were on social after the move?
Hittman: Sort of
BMule: A little
Joe McAtee: They were quiet about Bobby Q, relatively
Hittman: I think he’s got a lot of friends clearly, but moreso it was SO unexpected with the extension and all
Joe McAtee: Maybe just the shock factor
BMule: I mean this ain’t Jeff Fisher’s Rams buddy club anymore
Joe McAtee: I wanna be in Jeff Fisher’s Buddy Club...
Hittman: I mean, typically guys wont buy homes in their respective cities until they get an extension like that. Imagine the security he felt he had?
BMule: He’ll tackle the housing market in NY
Joe McAtee: Rude!
Hittman: On a related note, lets head to question #3: Touching on ILB, Barron is Ogletree’s former running mate. What happens to him, do you cut/restructure/leave untouched?
BMule: Leave him be
Joe McAtee: I guess they could still cut him. As long as it fits Lester P. Snead’s 2018 Mystery Plan
Hittman: I honestly think I would prefer to cut him, so long as they can line up a suitable replacement plan at ILB in FA
BMule: That’s a lot to ask of a playoff defense, ya?
Joe McAtee: A lot of turnover
Hittman: I guess. It’s a lot of turnover
BMule: Lose a starting CB, both EDGEs and both ILBs? Woof
Joe McAtee: But you trust in Grandpa Wade, soooooooo
BMule: I do trust in him
Barron is a solid player. Money isn’t an issue anymore
Hittman: But still. The Rams have teams to catch, namely Philly. Our window is open, we may as well strike while we can
We’ve waited a LONG time for relevant football. That window’s open. Strike while the iron is hot. Never know how long we’ll have to wait again for this
BMule: He was always >>> Ogletree for my money
Hittman: I definitely agree
Joe McAtee: They were different, but I won’t fight ya on this one
Hittman: But if you can get younger/better/cheaper, isn’t that an avenue to explore?
Joe McAtee: Always!
Hittman: Plus there is so much quality at ILB both in free agency, and it being an extremely deep draft class
BMule: Most teams don’t explore changing their entire defense either after a playoff berth
Hittman: That’s fair. Most teams don’t sign a guy to big $ and move him 4 months after either, though lol
Joe McAtee: FA is gonna be nuts
BMule: I love this year already
Joe McAtee: I got one for yall before we get into the draft
CB Trumaine Johnson. WR Sammy Watkins. S Lamarcus Joyner. We re-signing any of em?
Joe McAtee: Cause we got the money now
Hittman: I lean no, which really sucks
BMule: Because I don’t fall into the belief that “if it hasn’t happened yet, it can’t”
Joe McAtee: Before the Quinn & Tree deals, I was at about 0% possibility
Hittman: I think Tru is as good as gone. Sammy a very small outside chance, with Lamarcus being most likely
Joe McAtee: But they’ve cleared them off the books with WR Tavon Austin coming off too. They can meet the market on Sammy or Lamarcus if they want
Hittman: Right. But what’s the deal?
If they wanted to, they could have done it last week/month too.
Joe McAtee: I’m with you
Hittman: I think it falls on more penny pinching as opposed to not having the $
Joe McAtee: What say you, Mule?
BMule: If the New Orleans Saints wanted QB Drew Brees he wouldn’t need a deal!
Joe McAtee: What’s weird is I always thought they’d sincerely be on Lamarcus for a multi-year deal
The tag at least suggests they’re not close enough to be confident in re-signing
Hittman: I have no idea why, but I believed they’d get both Lamarcus and Sammy locked up
Joe McAtee: I never thought they’d be willing to meet the market for Sammy. Somebody’s gonna go big on him, no?
Hittman: Yeah, both points are true to me
BMule: I believe it’s far from over
Hittman: Not over yet, but unless the Rams get scared and hand whatever Sammy wants, he’s at minimum going to test the market
and there has to be a team who’s desperate waiting in the wings.
Joe McAtee: I know the Rams want to get him on a short-term deal that could be, yanno, fair in terms of APY
But somebody’s gonna offer Sammy a three-year or longer, right?
Someone that can give him the sheer quantity of looks to amp his numbers up?
Hittman: I’d think so
Hittman: That’s also true Mule
Joe McAtee: I don’t follow
Hittman: They got shafted in FA last year
BMule: I don’t believe Alshon Jeffrey and Terrelle Pryor were both dead set on one-year deals
Maybe I’m wrong!
One paid off big time, the other flopped HARD
Joe McAtee: Did they have more to prove than Sammy?
Hittman: I think so
Joe McAtee: I dunno, I just think people are undervaluing him compared to the market
BMule: Alshon’s situation was extremely comparable
Hittman: Yeah I ultimately think Sammy will get a nice chunk of change on the open market
BMule: The beauty of FA
Hittman: Dolphins WR Jarvis Landry just got handed $15m and teams were still looking in on trades. Teams want weapons
Here we go to our final Q
BMule: One minute you’re handing out too much $ for Robert Woods and the next it’s a steal
Joe McAtee: Yanno?
Hittman: With the bevy of draft picks the Rams have, do they have a more likely chance of moving up in the draft, moving down in the draft, or both?
Joe McAtee: Both
Lester P. Snead is about dat lyfe
Joe McAtee: Rude
Hittman: I’m honestly expecting both too
There’s no way they stand pat on five sixth-rounders, right?
BMule: I just want to see the Rams have every pick in one round
Hittman: They could trade #23 for the entire 6th round I bet
Joe McAtee: Yeah, moving down from 23 to add a second-round would be #neat
BMule: But I do think the Rams are more likely to trade up
To target an EDGE
Hittman: Man, that would be something
Joe McAtee: Got one in mind?
BMule: Boston College EDGE Harold Landry
Hittman: Harold will save us
Joe McAtee: I like the mid-round EDGE options too, TBH
Hittman: I actually really do too
BMule: But the argument to trade down is obvious
Hittman: The issue though, is we still need two!
Joe McAtee: Yeah
BMule: Gonna be wild
Hittman: We can definitely land a starter on Day 2
But the other side would still be bare
BMule: I don’t see any way the Wade enters year with two starters at EDGE with less than 16 games experience
Joe McAtee: Oh shit. Yall see what Snead just pulled off on Twitter?!
Hittman: No, what?
Joe McAtee: I’m lying, but that’s the life we lead now. Stay vigilant.
Joe McAtee: Self-rude!
Rams fans, chime in! What do you think of the Ogletree trade? What do you do with Mark Barron? Anyone in free agency that catches your eye? Let us know.