2012 NFL Trade Rumors: Jeff Fisher, Mike Shanahan Connection Key To A Draft Day Deal For The Rams?
by Ryan Van Bibber on Feb 9, 2012 2:00 PM CST
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PrintThe St. Louis Rams may indeed be able to trade down from the second pick in the draft, as many have suspected. Whispers in the media about the potential for a trade are picking up and will reach a fever pitcher before the end of April. The fires got a little more fuel on Thursday with some remarks made by NFL Network personality Michael Lombardi.
As relayed by Hogs Haven, Lombardi told Bill Simmons that the friendship between Jeff Fisher and Mike Shanahan was a key to a likely trade between those two teams. The money quote:
"Mike Shanahan and Jeff Fisher are very close, If there's trade to be made, it'll happen between those two."
The most likely return on such a trade would be swapping first-round picks - Rams move to #6 - Washington's second-round pick and a first rounder in 2013. Of course, all that could change too, if the Rams want a player thrown in or some other combination of picks. Moving down to the sixth spot is a given.
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What are the odds of us getting Blackmon at 6?
Cuz I know Kalil sure as hell won’t be there.
What do you call a gay dinosaur?
Mega-sore-ass.
Hmmm
1. luck
2. RG3
3. Kalil
4. Richarson
5. Claiborn
6. Blackmon
Bradford + Blackmon = Secondaries Beware
by RG31 on Feb 9, 2012 2:08 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I don't see Richardson going that high
If the Browns want him, trade down with someone who wants Blackmon or Caliborne
Knowledge is knowing a tomato is a fruit; Wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad.
I can dream cant I?
Bradford + Blackmon = Secondaries Beware
by RG31 on Feb 9, 2012 2:12 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
No, you cannot dream that he will go #4
lol
Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is where the Stanley Cup can be found.
by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Feb 9, 2012 2:29 PM CST up reply actions
Browns fan
I don’t think anyone in Cleveland expects the Browns to take Richardson, and even less seem to want it (That’s with or without Hillis back).
I think most would love to get RG3 at four. If that doesn’t happen, or the Browns don’t trade up*, Blackmon would be the likeliest pick.
*I’m of the opinion that if Holmgren and Heckert fall in love with RG3, they will get him by any means, friendship be damned. But that’s a bit of an aside; point being, unless Blackmon is horrible during the Combine, he is almost definitely second on the Browns’ list.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on Feb 9, 2012 8:03 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
it would have to be the OT reiff....
if i was picking at #6.
by Mark Jaramillo on Feb 9, 2012 5:59 PM CST up reply actions
My next choice if the Browns do take Blackmon.
Either way, I believer we’re in a fantastic position to get Claiborne, Blackmon, or Reiff at that spot.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
by douchiedude on Feb 10, 2012 12:45 PM CST up reply actions
I report, you decide
or something like that.
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by Ryan Van Bibber on Feb 9, 2012 2:28 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
When did he ever say the Rams will or are going to trade with them? Never
Van is simply writing a piece about the fact that the possibility exist for a deal. He isn’t starting rumors.
Knowledge is knowing a tomato is a fruit; Wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad.
Quit trolling.
It seems virtually all your posts lately do nothing but attempt to knock Ryan and his articles.
Since your reading comprehension seems to be a hair on the deficient side, please note he provides sources and quotes from legitimate outlets and isn’t just pulling all of this out of his ass.
In short: cut the shit. Or don’t and get banned. I’m willing to bet the majority of commenters here will be happy either way.
"Fac Fortia et Patere"
by FailureDrill on Feb 9, 2012 2:50 PM CST via Android app up reply actions 2 recs
lol wouldn't that be nice, eH?
I hope it works out like that, but I have a feeling the Browns would grab him.
What do you call a gay dinosaur?
Mega-sore-ass.
Still just a pipe dream to throw in Roy Helu?
I’m still pining for the Rams to get him instead of the PED WR
@GreetingsADM
Helu could be a nice COP back and a potential replacement.
And I’m still mad about Pettis over Mason Foster.
Helu?
whathave yal been somking?Why woukld we give the rams helu?Give me a break!Yal allready have Jackson,I mean,come on,give up Helu,give me a break!Yal can have Torain.not Helu.He is not going anywhere.
by Roy m Tillman on Feb 14, 2012 11:56 AM CST up reply actions
I think it'd be more than swapping, 2nd rounder and 1st next year.
I def think they have to throw in a player or give us a 3rd this year, or maybe even a 2nd next year.
Our pick is going up in value the more that assistant coaches give fake interviews.
Haikus are easy,
but sometimes they don't make sense.
Refrigerator.
Sorry if I'm beating a dead horse, but... Santana Moss, anyone?
He is only one year older than Lloyd, more proven, and would only be on contract for 2 years. Lloyd might want more than a 2 year deal, by the end of which his contract might be a blight to the cap. Just a thought.
He may indeed be a lifer, and as a DC citizen you'd know better than I
Yet, if WAS wants RGIII badly, perhaps they’d acquiesce to Moss in lieu of a 4th rd pick. For my money, I’d rather have Moss than a 4th round pick at this point.
Maybe you're right?
But what do we do with him? He’s never, ever………..ever………been used properly in DC. Should’ve been in the slot all along. Now he’s getting up there in age. Do you suggest he continue to line up outside?
I’d rather use our 4th pick on someone who’ll be here for years to come, whether that’s a WR (in the 4th) or not. There are a lot of FA WR’s to get excited about, and I don’t see anyone with the last name Moss as one of them. Just my opinion
Agreed.
The reality is we need someone better than Moss and not just a short term replacement. Moss really has no value to us unless he’s on this team when they’re built to make a run at a championship. That’s not happening next year…
Moss
you got that right!!Moss will retire as a skin,enough said!!HTTR
by Roy m Tillman on Feb 14, 2012 11:52 AM CST up reply actions
Mcihael....
I was thinking the same thing about asking for Santana Moss. Cheap guy for 2 years doesn’t sound bad at all. It would also be a wise move to do a sign and trade for Rocky McIntosh if they don’t want Moss
Moss
What makes you guys think the skins are going to give up moss,you have to be crazy.he may have some yrs on him,but he is one of our best receivers we have,yal are living a pipe dream.Look for a trade in picks with the rams and the skins for RG3,of course compensation with probully a 1st and a couple of 2nd rounders in next yrs draft.Yal have
a very good QB in braford.And we dont,aka rexy and beck.it wouldnt surprise a bit if the skins pick up blackmon too.I wish nothing but the best for the rams and fischer will get it done too.Remeber what he did at the titans.HttR
by Roy m Tillman on Feb 14, 2012 11:41 AM CST up reply actions
Great media hype right here!!....
Keep it coming… The Browns are going to start getting desperate and the more teams we have in our corner, the more likely the Browns will want that piece of the pie!!! That saying, our number 2 pick is like dangling meat in front of a shark… Who else is thrilled for April???!!!! :D
The talk on the DC sports station on my way home
Is that they wanna get Orton in FA and draft a QB in the later rounds I.e. Tannehil or Weeden.
I still want the Browns to trade up. #4 and #22 could do a lot for us
orton and a future QB
Yes,orton was drafted by shanny,but,he is over rated.I dont see him coming to DC.probully will stay in KC.A future QB is a givinen.Tannelhill has a broke foot,didnt play in senior bowl.Weeden is allready 32 I think,so why would the skins want him?His skills are a question mark.Still think the skins will work out a trade with the rams for RG3 and throw some draft choices in for the future.HTTR.
by Roy m Tillman on Feb 14, 2012 11:47 AM CST up reply actions
What do the Browns need more?
a RB or a WR… or do they have an even bigger need for another position?
What do you call a gay dinosaur?
Mega-sore-ass.
Say RG3 goes to Washington in a trading up situation... what then?
What do you call a gay dinosaur?
Mega-sore-ass.
Blackmon could fall if...
He doesn’t do so hot at the combine. I’ve seen a few guys who suspect his 40 time might leave something to be desired. Maybe that will scare off a few teams.
Like the Rams....
Then again, I fully believe Fisher is going to go after Kalil. There are so many WRs in the UFA this year that it’ll be like bobbing for apples… Just hope to sink our teeth into a crisp juicy one come time for FA.
Free Agency
Free agency changes everything… and really it’s hard to speculate what the Rams will do without considering which free agents they sign first. Definitely agree there seems to be many more FA wide receivers than other positions.
Regardless though, I don’t think the Rams are winning anything next year so if we can move down only 4 spots and acquire another 2nd rounder this year plus Wsh’s first next year… hell that’s arguably better than swapping with Cleveland for both their firsts this year. RGIII isn’t going to make Wash a playoff team next year and so we’d be acquiring at minimum a top 15 pick next year in addition to… gulp… our own top 15 pick again next season. The extra early 2nd rounder this year plus the first next year speeds up the process to contending.
I could see Blackmon falling to #6.
A.J and Julio were better prospects.
by jmo53 on Feb 9, 2012 7:58 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
Any chance Luck falls to #2 if RG3 blows up the combine?
It seems that Irsay is going to draft Luck.
Very doubtful.
In my opinion, anyways. Luck is a legit passing QB and there doesn’t seem to be a shred of doubt among the pundits. Can’t see RGIII leapfrogging him, even with a stellar combine.
"Fac Fortia et Patere"
by FailureDrill on Feb 9, 2012 2:59 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
I posted that in another thread a few days ago...
If the Colts do get a wild hair up their *ss and decided to go with RG3 it could throw this whole draft into chaos. Alot more teams in my opinion would be interested in Luck then RG3. I think personally RG3 has more upside but if Luck is still there at number 2 I think we would get more compensation for him compared to RG3 and more teams would be interested.
Unless he sustains a very serious injury, my answer is never
Its like when Julio blew up the combine, AJ Green was still a hands-down better WR, he never got the attention than JJ, but it’s because everyone knew he was better.
Haikus are easy,
but sometimes they don't make sense.
Refrigerator.
by sergey606 on Feb 9, 2012 3:20 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
You'd be shocked how open the fan base is to considering RG3
Just getting back from Indy this last week, I could not believe that fans were open to RG3 over Luck. The majority seem to think there is not a huge drop off. Maybe it is the Cam Newton effect…
Regardless, everyone seems to agree that Luck will be the pick, but several folks from Indy that I spoke to consider RG3 a quality prospect wrth consideration at #1 overall.
I can’t say that I agree, but would love it if we had control of the Luck sweepstakes.
Interesting
Appearing on Thursday’s Bill Simmons BS Report, NFLN’s Mike Lombardi passed along “rumors” that Bill and Chris Polian preferred Baylor QB Robert Griffin III over Stanford QB Andrew Luck.
The Polians were fired in January, of course. “There were rumors, and these are only rumors, that the Polians liked Griffin better than Luck,” said Lombardi. Lombardi repeatedly “promised” Griffin will either be taken first or second overall. “I promise you he’ll be the second pick of the draft,” Lombardi said of RG3. “He could be the first pick. I can’t promise you that, but Luck and Griffin are going to go 1-2 in some combination. I can promise you that.”
Could be the part of the reason the Polians were fired. Apparently Lombardi see’s the Rams trading with someone on draft day, hope he is right. Gil Brandt said that the 2nd overall pick could end up being really expensive for the Browns, said it could cost them both first round picks and a second round pick. I would be happy with both firsts but if the Rams could somehow squeeze out an extra second round pick they would walk away HUGE winners on draft day.
Or
That would be a nice return. But if Cleveland doesn’t throw in the extra 2nd round pick I would probably prefer Washington’s #6 pick plus this years 2nd rounder and next year’s 1st and possibly 2nd rounders. Washington’s 1st round pick next year is still likely in the top half of the draft.
I would be ok with that as well...
The only good thing about Clevelands would be we wouldnt have to wait a year to acquire all the players from the trade. If Cleveland is willing to give up two firsts and this years second I would probably take it over Washington’s two firsts and two seconds. We would be moving down farther with Washington and only gain one second round picks and would still have to wait a year for two of those picks. Atleast with Cleveland we already know where we would be picking guaranteed, (pretty high) instead of hoping washington busts next year.
In a perfect world
We do the deal with Cleveland. Get #4, #22, and possibly next years 2nd round pick. #4 we snag Blackmon and at #22 we snag a tackle like Mike Adams. Then at #34 Zach Brown if available. But I’ll still maintain that we need to be realistic here. We’re not winning the superbowl next season so if Washington’s offer involves more picks that have more potential to be higher picks… I think we take that. We have more holes to fill than just OT and WR. Not to mention that 2013 is the year we have more cap space to sign free agents (not this coming season).
i'll pass on Burfict
He is a hothead and I have a feeling he’ll wind up being a cancer in someones locker room.
I'm suffering from an extreme case of laurinaitis!
by NachoD on Feb 10, 2012 12:50 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
same, he's a douche
He punched Katz in the helmet after the play was over last year.
Google it. I hate Him and Adam Hall, both AZ schools are represented.
Haikus are easy,
but sometimes they don't make sense.
Refrigerator.
There are teammates of his who say that
he is solely responsible for ruining the Sun Devils’ football season last year.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
by douchiedude on Feb 10, 2012 12:47 PM CST up reply actions
Blackmon and Adams were my favorites if we were able to swing a deal with the Browns
if we go defense Brown would be near the top of my list if available, we have some holes on defense to fill any of these guys might be worth a look at 33 (Janoris Jenkins,Stephon Gilmore,Chase Minnifield,Jerel Worthy,Devon Still) if they are still on the board.
Skins deal would be better than a Browns deal
a. they have to give up more
b. in the crapshoot known as the draft, i would say quantity over quality and the skins offer more in that sense as well
I wish i had a c, d, e, etc. but really that its plain and simple. The 2 reasons why i think we should deal with the Skins and never look back.
Browns is the better deal!
At #4, we’re guaranteed Kalil or Blackmon, and another quality player at #22. If we go down to #6, they’d get more, but just miss out on the “Elite” players of the draft. Maybe DeCastro, or Claiborne?
by poonjabbers2010 on Feb 10, 2012 9:40 AM CST reply actions
BrownsDeal
@poonjabbers2010 I agree totally. There are generally 22 non kicking positions on the field. So at 22 you are assured at least one player at the top of the board, at least one position. At 22 there may be a great RB still on the board. Recent history shows most top rate RB’s actually go late first round.
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