Why We Must Draft Blackmon
If I may say, this whole debate over Blackmon vs Kalil is starting to sounds like the 2012 version of Sam vs Suh. Both have major upside and both can help out the Rams team immensely. In this scenario Blackmon would be Sam because his the "pretty pick" that will get fan in the dome and he'll (like Sam) install some pride and hope in the hearts of the fans. Kalil on the other hand is the BPA (like Suh was). Sure he's the unappealing pick for the Rams but he'll get the job done and he'll keep Sam off his back. I think honestly we should pick up Blackmon whether it's at the 2,4 or 6 spot and I want to dispel some myths that come with a #1 Wide Receiver.
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The key reason that most have used against Blackmon is that he doesn't compare to Green as well as Jones but I do not figure that matters now that there abides a salary cap.The salary cap that has been put in place give teams unprecedented power to pick who they want without the fear of overpay for said draft pick, take Christian Ponder for example. Ponder was an early second round to middle of the second round pick to most but they chose Ponder in the middle of the first round. Sure, Quarterbacks are more valuable in the league than are Wide receivers however I rationalize this speaks volumes about how the league is going to change with the safety net of the salary cap. Also I would like to say IMO comparisons don't/shouldn't matter as much as they should. Sure, I would love for Blackmon to average 1000 yards etc but #1s come in all shapes in sizes. I would call his pick at the two a success if he does everything that the coaching staff asks of him and gives it a hundred percent every time he steps on the field.
One question that I will ask all the Kalil believers, name me one edge rusher that Kalil has faced and dominated who has a high draft pick potential. Additionally do not bring to me that he replaced Smith when Smith is a RT for the Cowboys. Am I doubting Kalil's ability, no but what I doubt is his competition. If I am not mistaken (correct me if I am wrong) but the best edge pass rusher in the Pac 12 is on USC! Furthermore if I remember right Blackmon not only played decent Dbs in the big 12 but torched a first round Amukamaru, that alone gives Blackmon more held water than does Kalil. So I ask name me one edge rusher that Kalil faced that is worth mentioning. Why are people already trying to call this dude elite and jumping on his bandwagon? Comparing him to the likes of Long when the same people try to down Blackmon by comparing him to Crabtree? When Blackmon has a much better work ethic than Crabtree ever had! So this goes back to my comparisons argument, stop with the comparisons. Each player is not like the last and you cannot just say they will fail just because a previous one did. All we can do is what till they step onto the field. Do not downgrade Blackmon just because the same can be done with Kalil.
One myth that I have heard on here is that Blackmon cannot help Sam like Kalil can but that is not true. The problem that I find with this Offensive Line is the defenses that we face do not respect our passing game, in essence they figure they can just single cover our Wide Receivers (that are not named Lloyd) and stack the box with 8. This method worked the whole season because none of our other receivers could get separation and when they did they could not bring the ball in. My premise is by getting Blackmon this will back the defense off the line thereby giving Sam more time in the pocket to orchestrate this offense. Some might question this by saying " why was not Lloyd able to do this?" and that is easy. Lloyd did improve our offense dramatically his first couple of weeks here, backing the defense off the line. However soon they figured that if they double covered Lloyd they could still single cover whoever was one the other side, still not respecting whoever it was at the #2 and they succeeded. Sure we could get someone in FA but I am honestly tired of this Front Office trying to fix this Wide Receivers corps through FA. They get these Wide Receivers that are supposed to help but they do. not In turn these players that they bring are gone in a couple of years and Sam cannot keep the chemistry that he had with them. I want longevity at the position and let Sam get chemistry with Sam. This will not happen if we continually try to fix the position through FA.
Another reason why I believe that the Rams should seriously consider Blackmon at the 2 is because of the offense that we are going to be running next season. From RAMphetamine on this offense:
"There are a few pieces that will need to be added before anyone can try to predict the early features of the Rams Schottenheimer-led Air Coryell. The St. Louis Rams will need wide receivers with size and/or speed on the outside; polished route runners with a knack for making adjustments on the ball. The system basically doesn’t work without talented receivers. With the sidelines covered, that leaves the middle of the field, where danger and fear collide. This is where the quarterback’s safety nets reside - his clutch slot receiver and an able-bodied tight end. Pair these pass catchers with a workhorse like Steven Jackson in the backfield and you’ll get what I believe to be is an early look at the Rams’ new aerial game plan."
Here's the link if you want to read more about the offense:
http://www.turfshowtimes.com/2012/1/25/2733390/air-coryell-and-brian-schottenheimer
This offense DOES NOT work without good Wide Receivers and whether Blackmon is catching the ball or taking attention away from someone else, he will be making a difference on the field. Another system that the Air Coryell is sometimes compared to is the West Coast which our line did fairly good in. I conclude if we acquire Mike Adams in to play RT and I think Saffold could be a decent LT we will be fine in this offense.
Then this bring me to the uncertainty of FA and this teams uncertainty of Lloyd coming back. We face an off-season where our top Wide Receivers (Lloyd) could be gone which leaves us with Gibson, Amendola, Salas, DX, Pettis, and Salas. I know FA is before the Draft so lets look at some of the big names in FA:
DJax
Bowe
VJax
Welker
Garcon
Looking at those names, I don't think one of those would pick the Rams to play with just right off the top of their heads. Then add in the money that we'd have to throw at them just to consider and there goes most of the salary cap that we have this off season (10Mil). I would much rather us get Nicks, who is a lot more realistic considering our links with the Saints and they are most likely going to let him go. Then resign Lloyd and get Blackmon in the draft.
My last reason for wanting Blackmon over Kalil is the fact that before the draft gets here the gap between the Offensive Linemen in this draft will get closer in time. Some even think Martin is a better prospect than Kalil is and the gap between them will only get closer. Then you also have Reiff and Adams that are great prospects. Furthermore toss into the fact that teams are winning with mediocre Offensive Lines. There are many factors that can make a Offensive Line better which are a QB that can maneuver in the pocket, Wide Receivers that can get separation a CATCH, and a Rb that can block (which we have).
So there's my basis to why I think we should pick Blackmon in the upcoming draft, what do you think?
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Good post!
I understand you’re argument for Blackmon with our first pick. He’s a great receiver and would benefit us well. I also understand the argument for Kalil. A fine tackle with tremendous upside. The FO and Fisher couldn’t go wrong with either one IMO. The issue may come down to salary cap. A good wide receiver comes cheaper than a good LT, in most cases. It may come down to just that.
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Thanks
I understand both sides of the argument but the fact that people think SO highly of Kalil but can’t see how good Blackmon is, is ridiculous to me. Sure Kalil might be the better prospect but all that doesn’t matter once they step on the field. Blackmon could help us just as much as Kalil could..
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by RG31 on Feb 7, 2012 2:44 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Yes
I want Blackmon. We keep passing on drafting a great WR we can’t do that again. Why has everyone giving up on Saffold at LT? I know what it looked like last season but we have a new oline coach new HC, OC hell we have coaches that will coach the players how to play. Great post I will be happy with either one but would like Blackmon I wanted Suh but didn’t care that we got Sam.
Thats my thoughts exactly on the subject
We’ve picked oline high and still have plenty of potential, meanwhile our corps has suffered with late round picks and bogus FA signings that haven’t paid off.
Thanks and I do believe blackmon would benefit us more..
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by RG31 on Feb 9, 2012 10:21 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
A few thoughts:
1) Kalil may not have faced an edge rusher who is currently listed as being a “potential” high draft pick, but it is crazy to say that he hasn’t faced one with high draft pick “potential”. Additionally, “potential” signifies nothing. The fact is that he plays in the Pac-12, and while it is fun for those around the country to downgrade the Pac-12, it is faulty to think that it is not a great league with great players, even edge rushers. The argument using teams/players faced is valid when talking about a player outside of a major conference, but both Kalil and Blackmon faced great competition, regardless of individual match-ups.
2) Kalil was so good that he forced Tyron Smith to the right side. Smith was not originally slated to be a RT for the Trojans.
3) While it’s true that the gap between O-Lineman prospects can close, so too can the gap between WRs.
4) I believe with Fisher now the HC, FAs will be more inclined to sign with the Rams. You make a great argument about being tired of the FO signing FA WRs to fix the problem, but the problem is more with the particular FAs they chose to sign.
The kicker for me is that the team absolutely NEEDS both a WR and a LT, but I like the list of FA WRs better than the list of FA LTs. If the team drafts Kalil, and signs a good FA WR, like one of the ones you mentioned, I believe they will be better off than drafting Blackmon, and signing a FA LT, or having Saffold play LT and drafting a RT.
Because the team needs to address both positions, they should take the best prospect, or BPA, and even you admit that Kalil “might be the better prospect”. If the FO agrees with you, they must take Kalil. However, if they decide Blackmon is the better prospect, then he should be the pick. Either way, nobody yet knows what will happen in FA, and whatever does happen, it will likely have a major impact on both the draft, and the Kalil vs. Blackmon debate. Who knows, they may pick up a FA tackle and WR and the player vs. player debate will feature two new players and two new positions.
And I agree they should pick who they wantb
It the notion that Kalil is sure proof isn’t true, he has his fault just as much as Blackmon does. My point is don’t count out Blackmon and comparisons that some (including me) aren’t fair because he isn’t the previous he is the now.
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by RG31 on Feb 7, 2012 3:30 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
i would not pick blackmon with the 2nd pick
there are too many quality receivers in this draft to use a 2 on one.
Yea and IMO theres a major dropoff from Blackmon
Floyd- only one season he’s gone without injury
Alshon- Big and slow, underperformed
And so on..
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by RG31 on Feb 7, 2012 4:28 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Have to disagree with you
You aren’t even including Kendall Wright, whom I would guess you don’t include him because of his height. Blackmon is the best reciever in this years draft, but there isn’t a major dropoff.
by nick-the-greek on Feb 10, 2012 4:21 PM CST up reply actions
Well I'm actually pretty high on Wright
Just don’t think he compares to the 3 that I mentioned and considering that Jeffery has weight problems plus he’s look at as big and slow. Also Floyd has only had one season where he has not been injured, I think there’s a bigger gap in Wr than there is in OLine..
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I'd rather have Wright over Floyd and Jeffery
Kendall Wright to me is the 2nd best WR behind Blackmon. I agree with the concern on Jeffery I wouldn’t draft him until pick 33, because I have concerns about him getting seperation as well as his weight. If we are talking OT, then there is a big dropoff after Kalil, Reiff, Martin, then Adams who was inconsistent but will sneak into the mid to late 1st after a good Senior Bowl. After them there is a huge dropoff. Where as WR, I think Blackmon is a top 10 pick, Wright a top 15, Floyd a top 20, and Jeffery a late 1st, then Sanu a late 1st early second.
by nick-the-greek on Feb 10, 2012 7:38 PM CST up reply actions
Wright surely could move past Alshon with a good combine
After Blackmon, Jeffery, and Floyd there is a major dropoff considering those are the potential 1s of the group, Wright looks like he could be a great 2 in the league. As for OLinemen you have
Kalil, Reiff, Martin, and Adams (could he be a decent LT?) and of them could be 1st rounders. Then you have a wide open plain of OTs that could close that gap. Considering that we need a 1, the gap is bigger in potential 1s than Linemen..
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Once again we disagree
Wright can be a 1, if the Rams traded down then he’s a steal, no other wide reciever can stretch the field like Wright. The Rams need to trade down more than anything. The reality is the team has too many holes to fill, and both an OT and a number 1 WR are needed depending on free agency.
In any case if the Rams keep the number 2 pick, I’ll be disappointed. I have no issue picking Blackmon at 4 or 6, but the Rams have more needs than just a WR.
by nick-the-greek on Feb 10, 2012 9:57 PM CST up reply actions
Agreed
Trading is the main prerogative or should be in this years draft. This was more of a rebuttal of a post that said we should get Kalil. But I do agree on trading down.
As for Wright, I guess that’s for the future to answer..
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Everything that shine ain't always gonna be gold
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imo blackmon is not even the best wr in this draft
but you know what they say about opinions.
only time will tell on these guys but i really like sanu, and jeffery has the tools to be very good. he did play against elite corners and did well despite having a so so qb. he is also a good blocker, which comes in handy in a run first offense.
BPA= kalil
Only way the rams pick blackmon is in a trade down
by Ram_Redemption on Feb 7, 2012 4:53 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Reply fail that one below was replying to you.
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by RG31 on Feb 7, 2012 5:19 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
IMO
It all depends in how he performs at the combine.
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by RG31 on Feb 7, 2012 5:17 PM CST via mobile reply actions
I like it
Hope this stops the comparison talks. As for Kalil, did USC play Cal last year? If so he wouldve faced Cameron Jordan. I think I want Blackmon for sure.
You and me both
And I’m not sure, I think Smith faced Jordan last year.
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by RG31 on Feb 7, 2012 6:51 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Cameron Jordan shouldn't have been a 1st rounder
I didn’t see his production in college, he was never a good pass rusher. Nor do I think he will be a good pass rusher in the NFL.
by nick-the-greek on Feb 7, 2012 6:51 PM CST up reply actions
I think they will both be good prospects but
Kalil fixes 2(maybe 3) positions while Blackmon fixes the #1WR(which could take a few years). I like Blackmon at #4 or #6 but #2 seems too high to me. A FA WR will help sooner than through the draft and imo Kalil could step right in as the #1LT. Good read.
by jmo53 on Feb 7, 2012 6:32 PM CST via Android app reply actions
Yea but thats the problem
Although yes a FA would come in and produce quicker the said FA woukd probably only be here for a certain amount if time. I woukd much rather get blackmon, have he develop with Sam then a quick fix bandaid type thing. If we could get DJax then sure Kalil but if we got VJax or older vets, then we will be looking in the draft for a #1 in a few years, whether get blackmon now and have the position set.
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by RG31 on Feb 7, 2012 6:42 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I guess that's my point
get a WR in the second it third to learn under the vets plus next years WR class is better at the top than this one. So we grab our stud WR in next years draft and give Sam a little confidence to build on this year with the vets that are proven.
by jmo53 on Feb 7, 2012 8:00 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
and thanks
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by RG31 on Feb 7, 2012 6:48 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I Think The Question Is
“Who is the best player for The Rams?”. My belief is that, Blackmon is the player for The Rams. You make an excellent point when you discuss how the offensive scheme impacts the personnel selected to execute that scheme. Saffold does well in a WCO type system. If The Rams go to a similiar offensive scheme; it would negate the need to draft an OLT with the first pick. Nice work.! Rec*
Appreciated
And I agree, I think blackmon could do damage on the other side of Lloyd (if he comes back) in this system. I also believe we will benefit more from having him in the field. We’ve spent bank on this OLine and I want to see them produce like the high draft picks that they are.
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by RG31 on Feb 7, 2012 6:45 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I don't want to see the Rams drafting
at #2 period. Major trade for a plethora of picks or the draft is a bust. I am all for protecting Sam’s blind side but the Rams need so many impact players from this draft or FA. Like Fisher, I don’t want to be talking about the 1rst or 2nd pick in anymore drafts period. Trade down but leave us a high enough 1rst rounder to get Reiff, Blackmon or DeCastro in Round 1. I concede that Kalil will be gone to the Vikes with the 3rd pick!
Moot point
We’re gonna trade the pick, lose Kalil and depending who we trade with might still get Blackmon.
You can pick your friends and
you can pick your butt.
But you can't pick your friends butt.
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You dont know that for sure
And until it happens, can’t count on it.
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by RG31 on Feb 7, 2012 9:54 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Just cant see nobody wanting that pick
and Coach not wanting what he could get for it. May not happen, just sayin.
You can pick your friends and
you can pick your butt.
But you can't pick your friends butt.
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by johnniewarthawg on Feb 7, 2012 10:17 PM CST up reply actions
Give me Vincent Jax
and give me Blackmon
this equals I. bruce and t. holt……..come on MAN
by fearsomefoursum on Feb 7, 2012 10:01 PM CST reply actions
How does
A 29 year old receiver with a drinking problem and health issues that doesn’t catch a high volume of passes despite being the clear-cut number one receiver on his team and a rookie Justin Blackmon, who has yet to show he can succeed in an NFL-style offense, equal two potential hall of famers?
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by Josh Wehrle on Feb 7, 2012 10:51 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah the Cowboys and Lions called
WRs don’t protect the QB very well they found out.
Knowledge is knowing a tomato is a fruit; Wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad.
They can help the Qb out just as much..
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by RG31 on Feb 7, 2012 10:18 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
And the Lions made the Playoffs
And Stafford threw for over 4000 yards..
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by RG31 on Feb 7, 2012 10:20 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Don't remind me
You can pick your friends and
you can pick your butt.
But you can't pick your friends butt.
JohnnieWarthawgism
by johnniewarthawg on Feb 7, 2012 10:21 PM CST up reply actions
Eli and Brady had great recievers
We got shit……we need WMDs. I’m missing the days of I. Bruce and T. Holt……Give me Vincent Jax and Blackmon and let the D continue to grow……in our conference, if we don’t get a better D, SF and Sea Chickens will kill us……they have D’s that are great. we have shit…..we need weapons of mass destruction its easy math……COME ON MAN!!!!
by fearsomefoursum on Feb 7, 2012 10:26 PM CST up reply actions
I'm missing out on the easy math.
How do we NEED Blackmon and Jackson?
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by Josh Wehrle on Feb 7, 2012 10:59 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
MATH 101
JUSTIN BLACKMON
2010 111 CATCHES 1782 YRDS LONG 81 20TDS 16.1 YARD AVG.
2011 121 CATCHES 1522 YARDS LONG 67 18 TDS (DOUBLE TEAMED)
12.6 YRD. AVG.
TOSTIDOS FIESTA BOWL 2012 YOUR ONLY AS GOOD AS YOUR LAST GAME…
VS. STANFORD, 8 CATCHES 186 YRDS 3 TDS 23.3 YRD AVG.
THIS IS YOUR BRAIN, THIS IS YOUR BRAIN ON STATS….LEARN IT, LOVE IT, LIVE IT.
A MIND IS A TERRIBLE THING TO WASTE!
by fearsomefoursum on Feb 8, 2012 9:12 AM CST up reply actions
Hahaha
those stats are inflated by the Oklahoma state offense, where Blackmon frequently ran slant routes and curl routes against off-coverage. I might be wrong, but I think Kalil had 0 sacks allowed his senior season. ZERO. There’s a good number for you.
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You cant deny
What he did at the bowl as just the offense. H can turn small slants into tds, can you say playmaker?
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by RG31 on Feb 8, 2012 11:32 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Tory Holt 6 feet 200
J. Blackmon 6feet 1 215
by fearsomefoursum on Feb 8, 2012 11:54 AM CST up reply actions
It funny how when people compare him to
Some of the. greats other get pissy about it but they turn around and try to compare him to crabtree like that’s a great gauge of his talents..
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by RG31 on Feb 8, 2012 11:57 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Nowhere near as athletic as Torry
and not even close to as good of a route runner.
Knowledge is knowing a tomato is a fruit; Wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad.
busted coverage
its easy to score when no one is around you.
no
i do like blackmon a lot as a player. but im not going to pretend that his stats at osu will equal his stats in the nfl. he had a big fiesta bowl, it was fun watching him play in that game. 2 of his catches went for 110 yards and 2tds, those are nice stats. but where was the defense on those plays? i know for a fact (that i have read) there was busted coverage on at least one of those.
nevermind, found it…per rotoworlds latest mock: “Blackmon is a media darling after twice winning college football’s Biletnikoff Award and scoring three touchdowns in the Fiesta Bowl, two on busted coverages and the third on a badly blown tackle.”
and my point is nfl scouts and talent evaluators are looking at a lot more than college stats. chase daniel threw the shit out of the ball at mizzou and went undrafted. there are plenty of wide receivers who put up big collegiate numbers. im not saying that blackmon isnt good, i totally agree with that. just that his fiesta bowl isnt going to make me need to change my pants like it has some, including you.
I never said his stats in college would equal
Those that he did in college and I give him credit because of his ability to make a play after the catch. Not many wrs can do what he does.
I’m saying that he’s a gamechanger and playmaker. He changed the way of that game (of course the missed field goal didn’t hurt).
All I’m saying is he has the ability to be very good in the pros.
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by RG31 on Feb 8, 2012 2:32 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
12 PAC
GREAT DEFENSES IN THE 12 PAC! REAL TOUGH! I BELIEVE THAT CONF. TRIES TO OUTSCORE THEIR OPPONENTS. P.S. USC NON CONF. GAMES WERE MN, SYR, AND ND. PRETTY PISS POOR.
by fearsomefoursum on Feb 8, 2012 11:53 AM CST up reply actions
Uhhhh I hate to break it to you
but the big 12 has really shitty defenses too
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well thank you professor swirb
hehehehe
Wolf. Wolfgang Wolf
by dbcouver on Feb 8, 2012 11:31 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah
And stafford actually had protection this year and stayed healthy.
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by Josh Wehrle on Feb 7, 2012 10:47 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
And he has one of the best wrs in the league
And if I’m not mistaken Romo hard one of his best statistical years this year, so I’m not getting what you’re saying.
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by RG31 on Feb 7, 2012 10:49 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
They both had better protection than Bradford this year
A LT buys more time for your qb than a receiver
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by Josh Wehrle on Feb 7, 2012 10:53 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
And both teams have very good weapons..
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by RG31 on Feb 7, 2012 10:57 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
But they didn't succeed
Until the blocking improved. The lions didn’t just add Johnson this year. They got a better defense and the blocking improved, keeping stafford healthy and giving him to throw to Johnson. Johnson didn’t take them to the playoffs last year when the blocking was terrible.
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by Josh Wehrle on Feb 7, 2012 11:02 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Yea their oline wasnt that bad last season either
I think our line has plenty of potential while our corps is suffering because of lack of talent. We can have the best line but these wrs can’t get separation or catch consistently.
Add that to the fact FA hasn’t shown us much love lately in that department. I would rather get one in the draft and have him develop with Sam.
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by RG31 on Feb 7, 2012 11:07 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I guess we just disagree lol
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Lol this is true
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by RG31 on Feb 8, 2012 11:28 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
It's a good post
I just disagree with pretty much all of it lol
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by Josh Wehrle on Feb 7, 2012 10:56 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Usually me and you always disagree on stuff
we now like agree on everything
Knowledge is knowing a tomato is a fruit; Wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad.
I know
it’s kinda weird but I’m glad we’re agreeing on stuff now lol
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agree to dissagree
Ill start of with this. None of us are college scouts so how can we sit here and discuss these players abilities. Also i dont understand how the argument can be made that good RBs can be found in later rounds. Same can be said for WRs. And i think if most of the actual draft scouts say that Kalil is one of the best to come out of the draft then you kinda have to believe it. also you got tired of debating this in all the draft related posts, so you decided to just write an entire post about it?
Uh good rbs can be found in later rounds
It’s a proven fact and so can wrs, but they are less likely to succeed. Rbs don’t depend on their on abilities anymore, if you have a good line then it can make a rb look great.
Draft scouts also thought leaf and jamarcus were the real deal to so your point is? And I made this lost because I wanted to express my thoughts on the subject, problem?
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by RG31 on Feb 8, 2012 1:15 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
no problem here, tough guy
i can tell this will be a never ending discussion until draft day. Everyone has opinions, and lets leave it at that.
Haha thats the good part about it
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by RG31 on Feb 8, 2012 7:06 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Great post!
and great augment. Eventhough im fighting for Kalil, im a big Blackmon fan. Last year I wanted Blackmon more then anything. However my head says get Kalil and at the moment this what I believe in. One big factor thats covinces me that we dont tneed Blackmon, is that two great wrs are coming out next year(robert woods, keenan Allen) so we dont have to take kalil, but we could trade down and pick up floyd/Claiborne and Martin. Also I dont think Martin is a good LT prospect
Thanks
And yea, I was super pissed when he went back to school but I guess education is pretty important. Kalil seems to be BPA in the position were in but that doesn’t always mean its the right pick although u would be happy with either of them. Can’t wait for the combine.
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by RG31 on Feb 8, 2012 7:11 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
It's got to be Blackmon
Then Stans plans to move the team will be in place. Oklahoma City Rams ; )
Personally I’d rather see Blackmon drafted than Kali because he’s a much more exciting player. So unless Kali is the next Orlando Pace, and he isn’t, I don’t want to invest that high of a pick on him.
Realistically the Rams need to try and get at least two impact players by trading the #2 pick. This probably means we don’t get either Kali or Blackmon. I’d be perfectly happy with someone like Clayborne and the best available WR or OL prospect with our next lowest pick.
by Sggladden on Feb 8, 2012 9:11 AM CST via mobile reply actions
how can you say that kalil is(or isnt) the next pace or blackmon is (or isnt) the next rice?
no one has those answers.
By looking at him and reading his scouting report
He’s reported to be an outstanding pass blocker but not a natural run blocker. Pace was Mr pancake when he came out of tOSU.
I’d be fine if our staff decides to draft him because he’s an outstanding prospect at a key position. However given the realistic possibility to get two or perhaps even three impact players for the spot we would draft him I just don’t see Kali joining the Rams.
Ultimately no one can say definitively which prospects will pan out and that’s good reason to not pass up on the prospect of more picks.
i agree
id take more picks if thats an option. i just dont understand how we always compare college players to some of the best to ever play the game, and say, “well hes no ______”
well, what were people saying about “________” before he was drafted? probably something similar.
On your last 3 points
Can or does Bradford effectively move around in the pocket? And can it be taught? Let’s hope Fisher’s crew will improve this deficiency as I see it. If not we will need a better O line. With all that I too want a scoring threat on the team. And Blackmon looks to fill that spot. He does play with the WR attitude, something missing here.
Agreed
Hopefully the new qb coach can help him out with that and his PA passes. I also like Blackmons tenacity, I like how he got fired up in the bowl game and told weeden to get him the ball, dude is a game changer..
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by RG31 on Feb 8, 2012 12:59 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Hey, let's play a game!!!
It’s called “what do the 2010 Green Bay Packers, 2010 Pittsburgh Steelers, and 2011 New York Giants have in common??”
The answer: They were all in the super bowl, and they all had bad offensive lines, but great wide receivers!
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol
Football outsiders offensive line ranks. Packers were 23rd last year, Steelers were 19th last year, Giants were 26th this year.
Last two super bowl champions had average offensive line rankings of 24.5th
Sorry Kalil kids, but the correct pick is Justin Blackmon
by Rick Siegel on Feb 8, 2012 3:42 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
True...
But no one here is attempting to compare Bradford’s pocket presence to that of Aaron Rodgers, Ben Roethlisberger and Eli Manning – arguably the three best in the game at extending a play. I’d rather Sam not have to learn that on the fly.
Been losing sleep over Rams football since 1999.
Steven Jackson is a beast, a legend, a HoFer and should be treated as such.
ha!
nice article that shows NYG with the 6th best pass blocking offensive line.
next!
Yeah not sure how this article proves his point
Turf Show Times writer and a proud rams fan.
"It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of the needle than for Tim Tebow to complete a pass against the Cover-2" - Jesus Follow @jmwehrle
Uhhhh that article helps prove our point about needing a good o-line
Turf Show Times writer and a proud rams fan.
"It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of the needle than for Tim Tebow to complete a pass against the Cover-2" - Jesus Follow @jmwehrle
Football Outsiders also shows that
the best WR from each SB team was an UDFA
I can't read this.
… my brain hurts from all the poor grammar and misspellings. I assume the basic premise is that we need to draft Blackmon because he’s from Oklahoma.
If there’s actually a cogent argument, my apologies for not understanding it.
Also, Christian Ponder was drafted in the first round.
Rebuild the lines first. Then focus on the skill positions.
Alex Song - Krunk as Fuck!
And no that's not the premise
But I’m finding myself not caring about your opinion because your bias towards me and what I write. You find fault with anything I write because I’m an OU fan and that’s fine. But I just like you will not take your writing seriously..
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As many years or picks as it takes.
We might as well draft RGIII if no o-line because Sam won’t last the season and we will need a backup.
by jmo53 on Feb 8, 2012 10:24 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
Haha for some reason
I’m finding it hard to not call you jswirb..
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by RG31 on Feb 8, 2012 8:26 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Read
Check out my post I put up this morning. Also Mel Kiper said Blackmon will be a stud number 2 receiver in the league but a low end number 1 and I agree. but having him and someone else would be awesome. Not at 2 though. I suspect after his pro day and combine he will drop due to 40 time.
come on man!
And all these people that correct grammar and take shots at people to try and be little them need to understand this is not an English class. I am a senior in college and the last thing I need to take time to do is fix my grammar and punctuation if I miss something. GO RAMS!!!!
I dont really mind it anymore
He says that because I’m an OU fan and feels the need to attack me on it everytime he gets. Just because I came here because of Sam and for some reason I can’t be a true fan of the rams..
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by RG31 on Feb 8, 2012 5:49 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Correct grammar is nice.
Knowledge is knowing a tomato is a fruit; Wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad.
I don't care how the players speak
I hold myself to higher standards of grammar and language use.
Knowledge is knowing a tomato is a fruit; Wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad.
But Bradford is already injury prone. We can't take a chance and pay him 50 million guaranteed!!!!
Suh is the sure thing, solid citizen. He’ll never get in trouble while breaking through O-lines for years to come. He’s also a helluva guy. You’d never catch him stomping on a player after a play. He’s a perfect gentleman. If we get Bradford he won’t do shit his rookie year, I’m sure we’d be just fine with Clausen. If only we could get Suh and then by some miracle of God Clausen fell to the 2nd, but no way that’ll happen.
MARK MY WORDS!!!
Wolf. Wolfgang Wolf
What the hell are you talking about? lol
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by RG31 on Feb 8, 2012 11:54 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Oh yea
Blackmon can help immediately, we have to get him! xD
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by RG31 on Feb 8, 2012 11:58 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
You know Kalils the next Orlando Pace
and Walter Jones with a little Jonathan Ogden, Willie Roaf and Jackie Slater mixed in.
Wolf. Wolfgang Wolf
And Blackmon is the next Jerry Rice
With Randy Moss’s athleticism without the attitude!
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by RG31 on Feb 9, 2012 12:17 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Hey seriously you make a good case
I may not convert but I enjoy the recruiting effort. This shit keeps us going during this otherwise boring time. Lucky for us we’re not the Giants. They must be really bored right now. They have nothing to look forward to at all, being last pick in the drfat and all. Suckers!
Wolf. Wolfgang Wolf
good shit rg3
Good shit man very valid points. U know ur football man lets just hope the rams draft room does come draft day
by theirishsmurf on Feb 9, 2012 1:38 PM CST via mobile reply actions
or....
can anyone think of a good Tackle the rams have drafted since Pace? good DT? good CB? the rams have a rich history of drafting shit. over the last 10 years.
Yep, ur right
I wanted Mike Martz gone so bad I had a block party when it happened, and then I get Devaney to make the decisions……what does Homer say? DOH!
by fearsomefoursum on Feb 9, 2012 10:56 PM CST up reply actions
Very good post RG31
It was well thought out and an interesting read. I’m more in the Kalil camp but I wouldn’t mind Blackmon if we get one of the other OL prospects. The only thing I take exception to is your suggestion that Blackmon faced superior competetion. Thats probably a matter of perception though as I’m from PAC 8 (10,12, or 50) country. Your conclusion seems fine to me but this whole argument seems a lot like the chicken or egg one. The Rams can use both an OL and a WR and that is not all that they DESPARATELY need.
Thanks
If you ask next, me this argument is a lot like Sam vs Suh in the way we should approach the draft (BPA or Biggest Need). I do consider Wr our biggest need and if Lloyd leaves it becomes undoubtably our biggest need.
As for competition, blackmon burned a top 20 (?) Draft pick and I don’t think Kalil has accomplished this. Yes big 12 secondaries are very suspect but the fire he shows on the field is something we need on this team, either blackmon or Kalil would be fine though..
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by RG31 on Feb 9, 2012 10:18 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
You know whats hilarious
If blackmon declared last year, we wouldn’t even be having this discussion. Since he was the 3rd best WR in the draft, he woulda fell right into our laps… Wonder how different the 2011 Rams woulda been.
Don’t get me wrong, love the Quinn pick and think he might reach double digit sacks as early as this year… Hell him and Long might be at double digits.
Damn Stewie, this post just won't go away
Nice Job lad! I still wanted SUH. Just saying. Sam is good. Just think he needs to be in the shotgun 95 percent of the plays. Brady like. lets him read coverages. Throw, throw, throw some more. whoop der it is, jackson up the middle, never for a little!
by fearsomefoursum on Feb 9, 2012 11:02 PM CST reply actions
Haha I know right?
Thanks and I kinda agree. I think he needs to be in the shotgun maybe 60-40 and have a healthy mix of the run.
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by RG31 on Feb 9, 2012 11:08 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Superbowl stats
Eli threw 60% but with time running out, he ran three times near the goal line wasting clock. Brady threw 68% but last three were in desperation. So i see it as 65%pass – 35% run. = suberbowl success!!! Now it you take in the fact that we will be behind and will need to pass to catch up…..I would like Sam in the Shotgun at least, at least 80%. He is way more comfortable in the shotgun. You can still run out of the shotgun….i.e. NE, Oregon Ducks. I kno Fisher is a running man, Chris Johnson, Eddie George but its time to get with the times….google “the decline of the RB position” 3k 2-19-2011. Its all there. So therefore I submit we need WRs (WMDs) and CBs! Any way you can get em!
by fearsomefoursum on Feb 10, 2012 12:47 PM CST up reply actions

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