2012 NFL Draft: Trade Talk Highlights Our Saturday Draft Buffet
Andrew Luck is going to be the least talked about first overall pick in history. The once-in-a-lifetime talk may be a a little heavy on the hyperbole, but Luck is without a doubt the top prospect in the 2012 NFL Draft. He gets half the press time of Baylor quarterback Robert Griffin III. Sucks for Luck, but it sets the St. Louis Rams up nicely having the second overall pick in the draft this year.
At this point, it looks like only the Rams can prevent the Rams from trading the second pick in exchange for the privilege of drafting Griffin. Like Luck going first overall, an RG3 trade is fait accompli, the mystery being which team will be doing the dealing. The latest news would advise you to bet on the Cleveland Browns.
Trade talk, prospect news and all kinds of content jammed together in one long post. Grab a fork, strap on the feedback and follow us to the Saturday Draft Buffet after the jump.
Browns Ready To Deal?
That's what Mary Kay Cabot of the Cleveland Plain Dealer says.
If the Browns determine at the Combine next week and maybe through one or two more visits that RGIII is their man, I don't think they would hesitate to give up their No. 4 and their No. 22 to pull off this deal. It's almost a perfect match. I think at this point it's very likely that could happen.
Well, well, well. The Rams could make a big impact on their roster with two first-round picks in the drafts, obviously. The question is which player would they take where? Grab Riley Reiff fourth and get another receiver at #22? Or vice versa? Or go a completely different route? Fisher's first-round picks have overwhelmingly been defensive players, but he has drafted offensive skill players in the first round too.
How High?
Griffin's height could be an issue at the Combine next week. Clark Judge at CBS Sports says that some teams think RG3 will measure much closer to 6' than to the 6'2" listing Baylor gave him. He still looks like a franchise quarterback, and will confirm his draft status in interviews and workouts.
Matt Kalil Is Not The Best Lineman In The Draft
David DeCastro i, says Rob Rang. The difference is that DeCastro plays guard, not offensive tackle which is valued much higher in a pass-first league.
About Those Two Picks ...
The latest mock draft at Walter Football has the Rams picking Justin Blackmon and Ohio State OT Mike Adams with the Browns' first two picks. That would be the most likely possibility, as things stand today, but I still expect that to change by the time April rolls around, assuming of course the Browns are the ones to swing the deal.
Blackmon No Slouch On Routes
Justin Blackmon had a new wide receivers coach in his final season at Oklahoma State. That coach, Kasey Dunn, was blown away by Blackmon's talent level and dedication. Dunn noted that unlike many college players, Blackmon's motor was constantly running, no amount of drills would shut him down. That was a starting point for changing Blackmon to focusing more on his route running in his senior season.
This past season, it was really more about running a route and getting open on that route. (Monken) is a big stickler on timing, on depth, on precision route-running. And he grasped that.
He had a ton of yards, a ton of catches and all that stuff two years ago and I certainly don't want to diminish what he did two seasons ago, but he did it in a different way this year. It wasn't the big throw down the field, catching it over the top. It was more about leverage and breaks, coming in and out of breaks, accelerating into breaks and finding holes in defenses.
Blackmon has taken a little bit of criticism during draft season for working more shorter routes last year at OSU, but those routes were, in part, more of a concerted effort to beef up his overall skills, making him a more complete prospect, one who catches balls anywhere from five to fifty yards down the field.
Great Year For The Middle
One the one hand, the Rams' need to once again rebuild their offensive line is a setback. However, at least it is happening in a year when the draft is deep with interior offensive line prospects.
The Rams pick at the very top of the second round could take them in a number of directions. Another second-round pick acquired through a trade down from the second overall spot, could come in handy for rebuilding that offensive line. One name to know is Wisconsin guard Kevin Zeitler. Strong powerful and mobile enough to pull with aplomb, Zeitler looks like a ready-made starter. He also has a nasty attitude that would pair well with Harvey Dahl to finally give the Rams a front five filled with fire breathing behemoths.
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For anyone who cares:
over on MTD (mocking the draft, it’s like TST for the draft), theres a community mock and we have a war room going. Anyone from TST is welcome to join us. So far we have Reilly Reiff, Dontari Poe, and Doug Martin. Just email ramintheUK@gmail.com with your TST screename if you would like to join.
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gotta run errands, otherwise i'd join you guys
mmm, doug martin.
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mmmm indeed
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we just added David Wilson, Marvin Jones, Cliff Harris, and Sean Spence to Reilly Reiff, Dontari Poe, and Doug Martin
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cliff harris can go to hell.
he’s a little punk. good at football, but so much like pacman jones to me
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Other than your hatred for Oregon players, how do you think we’ve done so far? lol
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fine to me except for Harris
it’s not just cause he plays for U of Zero, but he just has a bad attitude, besides going over 100 mph in his car stoned, he tells the cop that he doesn’t have any weed, cause “we smoked it all”. Chip Kelly hates that guy, he kept him out so much this season, mainly because he just doesn’t like him, hence: future pacman.
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I just know dbcouver is still okay with him, so we took him for his potential.
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I agree with sergey on this.
You have to be LeGarrette Blount/Jeremiah Masoli stupid to get kicked off of Oregon’s team.
I dream of .500...
Blount’s been good in the NFL though.
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he sure didn't help his team this year
and even Kelly brought Blount back in for the civil war game that year, asshole.
But that BSU guy deserved it.
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I for one cannot grasp how u all feel that cleveland’s 4th (moving back) & 22nd (rewarded) is enough to except & move forward! I mean, I have barely seen any other later round 2nd or 3rd round picks to add glint to the already sparkling deal! It’ll be robbery if we only receive their 4th & 22nd!
by Boy Yottic on Feb 18, 2012 1:04 PM CST via mobile reply actions
we won't; no way
they’d have to throw in next year’s first, or this year’s second and fourth; it has to be pretty huge IMO, the value will go up the closer we get to the draft and if RGIII blows away in the combine, then expect a lot for him (pray for a huge combine!)
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Touche broram but on a slightly bright side, even if he doesn’t light it up per say, the organizations could always rely on his exbullient game film! We win regardless but I jus want to make sure we as rams as taking care of, whether that be this year (added dosage to the pot being 2nd & 4th round) or next years 1st as well! Fisher said it himself no more picking at the top end for us & with cleveland potentially picking in the top half, we’ll be set to make a run for years on in!
by Boy Yottic on Feb 18, 2012 1:12 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Im prayiing!!
Who would u take with 4 an 22?
@JBarznas
by RamTX on Feb 18, 2012 1:13 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Reiff & floyd to solidify two essential positions! And than brown in the 2nd, so hopefully that’ll be 3 starters for years to come! I’m leaning towards reiff to blow up the combine jus because he’s being overlooked!
by Boy Yottic on Feb 18, 2012 1:25 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
yeah that'd be money, if floyd is available
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if Floyd isn't availabe
maybe Jeffrey, Wright, Sanu blow up at the combine.
by jmo53 on Feb 18, 2012 5:04 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
yeah.
I don’t know much about sanu, but lots of people on here love him
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I think RG3 will have a monster combine and will build tons of hype before the draft...
kinda like Newton did last year. I remember when everyone said Gabbert should be the number 1 pick and the sure bet last year. Cam came on strong towards the end. Who knows, he might have a great next couple of months and the Colts pull a shocker on draft day and go RG3. If that were the case our pick would SKYROCKET! I think we would wind up with much more if Luck is available then RG3. I know the odds of it happening are pretty slim but who knows, stranger things have happened.
There's always the possibility that
teams, armed with the knowledge that the Rams are not going to pick a Quarterback, will instead choose to deal for the #3 pick with Minnesota. If the Rams ask for too much, teams might be willing to force their hand. Just a thought.
agree but...
A team trading with the Vikings has to know for a fact that no other teams are working on a trade with the Rams or they would be screwed. I dont see the Vikings pick being that much cheaper than the Rams and it wouldnt be as sure of a bet as trading with the Rams. If a team trades with the Rams they know 100% they would either get RG3 or Luck.
It would have to be
like the Atlanta trade with Cleveland last year on draft day. But, if Griffin lights up the Combine it’s a sure thing that Snead’s phone is going to start ringing next weekend.
if teams try and call our bluff, then we pick him and trade him after.
Kinda/sorda what NY and SD did with Manning and Rivers
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If someone wants RGIII that bad they'll deal with us
not the Vikes. We’re talking about the franchise QB for the next 10-12 years here. They won’t compromise and expect the Rams not to take him. We’d be stupid not to take him if he’s available because someone will want him bad enough to take him. The drop off between RGIII and #3 is too huge.
Wolf. Wolfgang Wolf
I would be very happy to get the 4th and 22nd pick in return for the 2nd.
Mike Ditka isn’t around anymore to massively overpay, and teams are more protective of their draft picks than ever; last year’s super-deal for Julio Jones was the exception, not the rule.
If we walk away with Kalil/Blackmon and another first-rounder I think we should all be pleased.
Asking for 3 first round picks for the #2 pick is unrealistic… even for Griffin. Two first round picks and a 6th and MAYBE a later pick this year or next would be fair.
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If we get 4 and 22....
you take the best possible O-lineman and then hope Kendall Wright or Floyd drops to 22. This years O-line class is deep, but the wide receiver class is deeper.
-Jeff
If Cleveland moves up the #2
to pick Griffin, I find it hard to believe that Kalil remains on the board past Minnesota. I’m not sure Reiff is a good pick at #4, or at least as good as Blackmon is at #4 and I’m all for beefing up the OLine.
Depends on Claiborne
Minny’s CBs sucked this year. Bad… Sapp is a FA as well. Claiborne to Minny makes perfect sense if they do not find a trading partner.
Everyone is forgetting that there could be a total of 7 rounds of trades possible ..... WOW !
J FISHER ... BRILLIANT...!
Go RAMs !!!
With #4
Kalil still might be there also, and if that is the case Ohhhhh, watch out. And then we could get a late 1st WR. But we would also need to get more for the #2. And I hope it is second rounder next year and maybe a 4th this year also. They could also throw in a TE maybe watson, who could show Kendricks the ropes.
I think kalil can still be ther at 4 so if he is there i say we go with kalil then snatch kendall wright with the 22nd pick and we can address the lb and or cb situation with number 33rd pick.
by kevio3000 on Feb 18, 2012 2:32 PM CST via Android app reply actions
i doubt kalil will be there at 4 man; it's like the likelihood of Luck being there at 2
unless they have complete shit combines and break their legs – it’s not happening. Without a trade the 1 and 2 spots are sold: Luck then Kalil. With a trade it’s Luck and RG3.
But we all can dream
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Kali at #4 would be a fine.
More likely this position would be Blackmon. Either way you draft who’s there and take care of the other position with one of the next two picks. Probably would require a slight move up to draft Wright but certainly not beyond reality to end up with Kali and Wright.
My hope is that we’re lucky in ending up with the guy that ends up being the better pro.
Also if Fisher absolutely hates the current roster he very well may trade further back and secure more picks and forego drafting a top pick. Sometimes quantity is more important than quality. Especially when you are trying to change the make up of a team.
I saw on NFL Network they had a piece
saying the #1 pick in the draft is the worst spot to draft at unless you trade down. It’s a 50/50 shot on who is better between 2 similar picks so the more picks you have the better shot you have at getting a guy that stays on the team. It’s proven 2nd, 3rd, ect. round picks can produce just as well as or better than 1st rounders therefor the more picks the better. So it seems the more trade downs the better. We need as many picks we can get as possible.
by jmo53 on Feb 18, 2012 5:21 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
Sorry to everyone that wanted Lloyd to come back
looks like his agent’s “not dealing with Pats” streak might come to an end. Here’s the link.
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Dealing with the Pats
doesn’t mean he will for sure be signing with them.
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no but that was the leverage for the Rams over them
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Don't the Pats have little cap room but have to resign Welker?
Thought I read that somewhere.
by jmo53 on Feb 18, 2012 5:27 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
not sure about that
I guess the worst is Pittsburg, they will have problems this offseason
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1st rd Draft picks as follows...
4th pick: Mike Adams at RT to provide Colt more time to throw. He made Braxton Miller look like an all-big 10 freshman of the year giving him time to make good decisions(sometimes)
22nd pick: Kendall Wright at 1 WR put Greg ("mr. unreliable hands ") little on the bench, and pick up Josh Cooper from Okie st. in the 3rd round (because at times he was more reliable than Justin Blackmon)
I can't stand OU, but I HATE the $EC...BIG12 all day!!!
by okhornfan on Feb 18, 2012 3:00 PM CST via Android app reply actions
what your gana get if u trade with browns is
J.blackmon at 4 and the best olinemen at 22
*Drew Bress Will Never Forget The Day He Got Chris Longed!!!!
by Ramzman18 on Feb 18, 2012 3:14 PM CST via mobile reply actions
On another note
I hate that Mike Adams pick so much. Very high bust potential in that guy.
I dream of .500...
I have no idea how people see a first rounder in him.
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a man can dream;
for me it’s Blackmon and Kalil to the Rams.
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Kalil falling to 22?
Trade that 22 and 33 pick to move up to 3 and get both, real dream scenario.
I dream of .500...
i did have a scenario, but now that you said it it's a dream
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This would be great
Huge Decastro fan.
by jmo53 on Feb 18, 2012 5:29 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
3k
Walter has us taking DaJohn Harris in third round. Would you rather have Harris or Billy Winn?
I dream of .500...
Walter
Only shows the Rams getting Cleveland’s #4 and #22 as compensation. I think we can do a little better than that…
Things are going to change after next week.
By the why, good article. We’ve been talking about this for weeks now, but the truth is when the combine starts things change!
Draft
Saffold should stay at LOT. If The Rams trade back to 4 and Blackmon is on the board, they should take him. Let Harvey Dahl play ROT. If The Rams have a second number one selection, Cordy Glenn is an option. I do not see Jason Bell coming back. Another option later in the draft is C Phillip Blake , Baylor. IMO, the interior of the O-Line needs the upgrade.
Posing a question...
If we do end up trading with Cleveland and getting #4 and #22, what does everyone think of trading down with the 22nd in the first and getting another number 2 pick in the process? Being able to pick twice in the first AND second round would help out tremendously…does anyone think there are any playoff teams that would be takers?
by BushidoBrown83 on Feb 19, 2012 10:23 AM CST reply actions
If Richardson is there at #22 do we take him?
Ingram fell further than anticipated last year.
by jmo53 on Feb 19, 2012 10:46 AM CST via Android app reply actions

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