Realistic Trade Value for the Rams #2 Overall Pick
by davebro747 on Feb 17, 2012 11:30 PM CST
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During a portion of my part-time, unpaid job as armchair GM of the St. Louis Rams, I've read the hundreds and hundreds of mock drafts that are floating around out there. The majority of those mock drafts are already predicting the Rams trading their #2 overall pick - most likely to QB-needy teams Cleveland or Washington in the hopes of nabbing their quarterback of the future in RG3. I even posted a poll question a while back about what the readers of TST wanted the Rams to do with the #2 pick and the overwhelming response was to trade back to acquire a few more picks to fill some of the many holes in the roster.
But what could we actually get for the #2 pick? I've seen so many people on this page mocking that the Rams could get both of the Browns' first round picks, their 2nd rounder, their 3rd rounder, their 4th round pick and yet another first round pick in 2013. Don't get me wrong, the mock drafts that come from that are awesome, just not very realistic. We have to realize that our two most likely trade partners, Washington and Cleveland, are both bad teams as well that really want and need their draft picks as much as we do. I just don't see a team mortgaging the farm and giving up all those high picks to move up 2 or 4 spots.
So it got me thinking about what was a REALISTIC trade value for either of those teams looking to move up. I looked back at a couple of high-profile, draft-day trades of teams moving up a few spots within the top 5 to grab their franchise quarterback. I also looked up the old point-system chart that teams use (or used) as to what pick was worth how many points. I realize that that system may be a little old and antiquated but teams do still use it to a certain extent. What I found after the jump.
2001
San Diego Chargers trade the #1 overall pick to the Atlanta Falcons
Falcons get:
#1 overall (#1 - 3000 points) and select Michael Vick
Chargers get:
#5 overall (#5 - 1700 points)
3rd round pick (#67 - 255 points)
2nd round pick in the following year's draft (#48 - 420 points)
WR Tim Dwight (who was coming off a year with 26 receptions, 406 yds, 3 tds)
(Just as a side note, according to the point system, the Falcons underpaid by 625 points making the value of Tim Dwight the same as the 30th overall selection.)
2004
San Diego Chargers trade the #1 overall pick to the New York Giants
(well, they traded the player they took #1 overall for the player the Giants took #4 overall. For simplicity's sake, here's how that shook out.)
Giants get:
#1 overall (#1 - 3000 points) and select Eli Manning
Chargers get:
#4 overall (#4 - 1800 points)
3rd round pick (#65 - 265 points)
1st round pick in the following year's draft (#12 - 1200 points)
5th round pick in the following year's draft (#144 - 34 points)
(According to the value chart, the Giants overpaid by 299 points for Eli Manning. But he's since gone on to win 2 Superbowls so I don't think they're too upset.)
So in one deal, the team trading back received an additional 2nd and 3rd round pick along with a starting WR in order to move back 4 spots. In the other trade, they got a 3rd round pick and a 5th round pick and the next year's 1st rounder to move back 3 spots. This brings us back to the Rams and their desire to trade down. I don't forsee the Rams getting a "break the bank" kinda deal. RG3 is a supremely gifted athlete but I don't think anybody has him rated as highly as either Michael Vick or Eli Manning coming out of college.
According to the point-value chart, the Browns two first round picks almost equal the value of the Rams #2 overall pick. However, I've heard that the Browns are not willing to give up both of their first round picks in order to move up. Realistically, the Rams may be able to garner an extra 2nd and 3rd round pick from the Browns in order to move back two spots where they would still be guaranteed to get either Kalil, Blackmon, Claiborne, Reiff or whoever they like best.
The Redskins may have to give up a little bit more because the Rams would be moving back farther and have to hope they can still get their guy. However, the Redskins don't have as much draft capital as the Browns. Plus, they don't want to give up all of their early round picks in this year's draft because, like the Rams, they have too many holes that need filled. They're a team that might be willing to give up future high draft picks to hold on to some from this year. I could see the Skins offering something along the lines of a 2nd and a 5th rounder this year while throwing in next year's first round choice as well. Fortunately for the Redskins, Fisher and Shannahan reportedly have a pretty good friendship so that could be what swings the decision in their favor.
So I certainly don't know what kind of package deal we could get from either team but at least we have a couple of similar trades in the past to give us an idea of what the Rams might be able to get. Below is a list of the point value associated with the Rams #2 overall selection and each pick that the Browns and Redskins have (except for their 7th rounders. They're basically worthless). There are a bunch of different combinations of trades to get the numbers to match up and since we all have calculators on our phones (regular math is just too hard), I won't go through every single option. But it does give us something to think about.
2012
Rams #2 overall - 2600 points
Browns #4 - 1800 points
Browns #22 - 780 points
Browns 2nd round (#37) - 530 points
Browns 3rd round (#68) - 250 points
Browns 4th round (#100) - 100 points
Browns 5th round (#131) - 41 points
Browns 6th round (#164) - 25.8 points
Redskins 1st round (#6) - 1600 points
Redskins 2nd round (#39) - 510 points
Redskins 3rd round (#70) - 240 points
Redskins 4th round (#102) - 92 points
Redskins 5th round (#133) - 39.5 points
Redskins 6th round (#162) - 26.6 points
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May be more valuable now
Especially since there is less cap space tied to that pick. It also depends on how many offers the Rams get and what the other offers are.
If Washington, I’d suspect Round 1, 2, 4 = 2210 plus next year round 2 = 500
If Cleveland, I’d suspect Round 1a, 3, & 5 = 2080 and next year’s round 2 = 500
But for a player as special as RGIII, I’m hoping for a Herschel Walker or Ricky Williams type deal. Maybe Miami will outbid all, don’t know.
by 81 Witness on Feb 17, 2012 6:55 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
WE HAVE TO WAIT!!!!!
we must wait for the combine and pray RG3 show cases alot of worth and if he does forget about it we can get whatever we want..we would be in control from there and offers will come we just gotta wait!!!!!! (excited) q=]
by Joshua_rams_truefan on Feb 18, 2012 9:05 PM CST up reply actions
AnOTHER THInG..
what if the jets show interest in RG3 mmmmmm lol
by Joshua_rams_truefan on Feb 18, 2012 9:08 PM CST up reply actions
When it comes to this pick we can throw all that out The Door a team is gonna have to knock our socks off!
by kevio3000 on Feb 17, 2012 7:06 PM CST via Android app reply actions
Seattle needs a QB
I would not be surprised if Seattle gets a foot in the door.
RAMS RULE!
by fearsomefoursum on Feb 17, 2012 8:47 PM CST reply actions
If they put their foot in the door
Slam it hard! You never give a team in your Division a chance to get a great QB are any other player for that matter!
Thank You
Unless you really want to screw them with McNabb LOL
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dude ill take hawks ball boy for king!!!! hahaha
by Joshua_rams_truefan on Feb 18, 2012 9:06 PM CST up reply actions
From Rotoworld today:
The Cleveland Plain Dealer’s Mary Cay Cabot considers it “pretty likely” that the Browns will attempt to trade up to No. 2 to select Baylor’s Robert Griffin III.
“If the Browns determine at the Combine next week and maybe through one or two more visits that RGIII is their man, I don’t think they would hesitate to give up their No. 4 and their No. 22 to pull off this deal,” said Cabot. “… It’s almost a perfect match. I think at this point it’s very likely that could happen.” Cabot’s high level of confidence is a bit surprising after speculation that the Browns don’t consider RGIII an ideal fit for the offense. We’re convinced the Heisman winner will go No. 2 overall, however.
Second and twenty second picks are plenty enough for me. If that’s offered and no one steps up with an even better offer I think we have to take it. I agree the people saying both first, second, third, fourth, and next year’s first are pretty much insane.
Heres the thing tho
If im yhe browns, y do I need to add my 22 pick? I can match anything another team gives u and my fourth pick overvalues the skins 6th. So if the skins gave u 2 firsts abd two seconds. I would give u the same but it wouldnt be the first from this,year
by Ram_Redemption on Feb 17, 2012 9:36 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Heres the thing tho
If im yhe browns, y do I need to add my 22 pick? I can match anything another team gives u and my fourth pick overvalues the skins 6th. So if the skins gave u 2 firsts abd two seconds. I would give u the same but it wouldnt be the first from this,year
by Ram_Redemption on Feb 17, 2012 9:37 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Heres the thing tho
If im yhe browns, y do I need to add my 22 pick? I can match anything another team gives u and my fourth pick overvalues the skins 6th. So if the skins gave u 2 firsts abd two seconds. I would give u the same but it wouldnt be the first from this,year
by Ram_Redemption on Feb 17, 2012 9:37 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Heres the thing tho
If im yhe browns, y do I need to add my 22 pick? I can match anything another team gives u and my fourth pick overvalues the skins 6th. So if the skins gave u 2 firsts abd two seconds. I would give u the same but it wouldnt be the first from this,year
by Ram_Redemption on Feb 17, 2012 9:38 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Heres the thing tho
If im yhe browns, y do I need to add my 22 pick? I can match anything another team gives u and my fourth pick overvalues the skins 6th. So if the skins gave u 2 firsts abd two seconds. I would give u the same but it wouldnt be the first from this,year
by Ram_Redemption on Feb 17, 2012 9:38 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Maybe to 1up all other teams?
If they really want him.
by jmo53 on Feb 18, 2012 12:36 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
5 of the same comment?
Jeez.
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by Ram_Redemption on Feb 18, 2012 7:31 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
^^^LOL^^^
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by BurnoutJoeB. on Feb 18, 2012 10:22 AM CST up reply actions
You can say that again.
I dream of .500...
by douchiedude on Feb 18, 2012 1:58 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
lol my phone does things
Terrible terrible things…
by Ram_Redemption on Feb 18, 2012 7:39 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Who in the hell is saying that anyway?
"We can't run. We can't pass. We can't stop the run. We can't stop the pass. We can't kick. Other than that, we're just not a very good football team right now." --- Bruce Coslett, New York Jets Head Coach circa 1990s
Well, if you look at the people running the Browns, I can say that they don’t move up very often and to only move 2 spots doesn’t warrant giving up two first round picks. You will be very suprised to see that the Skins, Browns, and Dolphins won’t break the bank for RGIII.
The only reason he’s even being projected that high is the QB’s that these teams want, stayed in school another year. Cleveland will trade back out of the #4, picking up more picks and add more quality talent to the Browns, the 2013 QB draft class is 1000% better than this years crop. McCoy will be the QB for at least 1 more year, so if you want to salivate over draft picks, look at Miami, Washington or Seattle.
A bargain is something you don't need at a price you can't resist....
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Great post! Rec'd
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lol It was great! We shocked them all when we took RGIII
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I'm so sorry I had to go
things just got out of control behind me at my house and it was either mock or sanity
Wolf. Wolfgang Wolf
We were forced into it.
What ticked me off is that a couple picks later, someone traded up with a team and gave them twice as much as we got for the #2 pick. It’s like we woke up the trade guys with our move?
You Buckeye and WNBD did a great job!!!
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That shit happened last year too
Hey me and buck arre over in the war room if you want to join us
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Cool! See you there
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I honestly thought a Live Mock at MTD would have better prepared participants
The guys picking weren’t there to draft objectively. They were there to make a pick, not trade to do the best for the team they represented.
The Eagles guy had an outstanding draft. He came to play!
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they must trade the pick
or may surprise everyone and trade sam and draft RG
Rams Bulls and Mets allllllllll day also i do love white castle
Sams not goin anywhere.
IF we draft RGIII its for trade bait.
by jmo53 on Feb 18, 2012 1:39 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
We took RGIII to force a trade in the live drat over at MTD. No one would give up enough picks, and we still got screwed a bit.
People finally started trading after the draft got going, but we suffered from guys being tentative out the gate. We didn’t get as much for the pick as the Rams will in real life, but we still got Reiff at #6.
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yeh i wouldnt do it
with the thinking of still trading RG3 but if we pre traded sam but i need to realize he is our QB and learn to love it and pray he doesnt need all starts to make him better and just needs a good coach.GO RAMS GO SAM
Rams Bulls and Mets allllllllll day also i do love white castle
I am going to forever erase thoughts of a Sam trade
No way do the rams dump $30+ million for nothing on Sam. We’re on the hook for his contract, he is not going anywhere.
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by sergey606 on Feb 18, 2012 12:26 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
1992
The Colts had the #1 and #2 overall (and went meh with Steve Emtman and Quentin Coryatt).
Can you imagine what a team, already with a franchise QB, could get through trades in that situation now ?
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Redskins will do anything for RG3
Forcing the Browns to overvalue our pick…
WE SUCK. THAT IS ALL.
by RAMSALLTHEWAY on Feb 18, 2012 1:46 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Agree
I think the Snyder deal is already done. I know it contradicts my own statement above, but I would think that was one of the major selling points that made Fisher choose Stl over Miami.
Holmgren isn’t a tard, if Cleveland selects RGIII, it will be at the #4 position. He will not do it any other way.
A bargain is something you don't need at a price you can't resist....
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Once you start agreeing with TDSH, you know that you're wrong.
I am no homer, and am no optimist...
I consider myself to be a realist, even slightly pessimistic.
But everyone is FAR undervaluing the worth of the Rams pick. RG3 has amazing physical tools, so he’ll blow the combine away. He is incredibly smart, so he’ll kill the wunderlic(sp?). And he had an amazing college career for teams to go back and watch tape on. Plus, he is 1 of only 2 QBs that will be GRADED in the first round (even though some QB needy team may reach for Tannehill and/or others, despite 2nd/3rd round grades).
This is absolutely the most valuable available pick in over a decade. And if we open up the trade to teams within our division, even if just for show, there could be up to SEVEN teams all wanting a shot to jump up and grab RG3. And those are just teams we are aware of. Consider last year when Jacksonville jumped up to grab Gabbert, when everyone thought they were set with Garrard.
Two 1s and two 2s, or two 1s, a 2, a 3, and a 4 is certainly not out of the question
How have you been my friend!
I think Cam Newton has increased RGIII’s value. What will tell the tale for him, and our pick’s value, is the Combine. RGIII will have people comparing him to Cam. I totally agree that he’s an exceptional athlete, though I do worry a bit about his skinny legs at the NFL level. I think the biggest thing for scouts will be how well they see RGIII standing up to NFL level physical punishment.
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Skinny Legs?
WTF ??
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Agree
IMO the combine answers everything, such as Kalil size difference (the muscle he has added), Blackmon speed and yes more important RGIII skill set. If RGIII blows away the combine as well as a big thanks to Cam season our 2nd pick value will be HUGE.
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by BurnoutJoeB. on Feb 18, 2012 10:28 AM CST up reply actions
Agreed
The Rams have an undervalued pick IMO.
They will notice and they will giggle.
by papapegasus on Feb 18, 2012 10:23 AM CST up reply actions
Also, Dave...
Not to nitpick, because your post was awesome, but generally, when you add in a pick from the following year, you downgrade the points by 1 round. That’s why you see so many trades where a team gives up their first round pick next year for the other teams second round pick this year
I expect to see more posts out of both you guys! :-)
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The more, the merrier ....
…if we can get more than 3 teams, the juice will be flowing and add to the bounty as in picks.
J FISHER ... BRILLIANT...!
Go RAMs !!!
I like this guy. You need him as a Author.
Lord knows we can not get a article out of VT if our life depended on it. At least Ryan gives an effort jesh..
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i think no matter what we do we need to get a package with the most early round picks in this years draft
vs future drafts. Whoever it is that gets RG3 is more than likely going to improve by more than a few games, which would then devalue any future draft picks we trade for.
That would be a quality problem to have for the team that take RGIII :-)
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Except the browns
I hope we get their fourth overall thisyear and the first next year. In their division, they would still be picking top 10 next year. So then we either have two top ten picks next year, or one that we didn’t have to suck to get
by Ram_Redemption on Feb 18, 2012 7:34 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Rams need to pick RGIII
Teams will call our bluff IMO. Take him then. Why not have competition at the QB position? Once Fisher figures it out then make a trade for Bradford or RGIII. Why is everyone making this complicated. Did you see what the Eagles got for Kolb? Fisher is going to be here for a long time. You can never have too many starting quality QB’s on the roster with the new salary cap.
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I think most Ram fans want the compensation now and
if no one offers us a trade this draft for him people will say it was a lost cause. I agree though that sitting on him could pay off. Look where Kolb, Cassel, Flynn, ect. were drafted and what they got in return. Think of what the #1/#2 QB in the draft could get us.
by jmo53 on Feb 18, 2012 8:53 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
Woo hoo! I got front paged!
Realistically, I think that Washington is more likely to give us the best deal. I think we can swing a 2nd and a 4th in this years draft and next years 1st rounder. Their first rounder next year will likely be much higher than the Browns’ 22nd overall that they got from Atlanta this year. But I would love to see it turn into a bidding war.
by davebro747 on Feb 18, 2012 7:48 AM CST via mobile reply actions
I still think the Bengals could be a player for our pick
This was a great post, so it deserved the FP… You’re welcome… :-)
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Thanks!
Who do you think the Bengals would be trading up to try and get? They’re happy with Dalton’s development and if they want Richardson, they could probably wait and try to trade with Minnesota or even later with the devaluation of the RB position. But the more potential trade partners we have, the better.
by davebro747 on Feb 18, 2012 8:16 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I'd like Cincy as our 2nd trade down in the first round.
The more picks the better.
by jmo53 on Feb 18, 2012 8:56 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
They have their #2 WR going to jail soon, so getting Blackmon would give them not only a replacement, but the best WR tandem in the NFL
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Nice job!
I think you did a great job tempering some of the wild expectations associated with the upcoming draft. I’d love for two or more teams to get locked into a bidding war with the winner drastically over-paying…I guess I’m taking a more “wait and see” attitude. Anyway, just wanted you to know I appreciated your perspective and think the previous trades do serve as a guide and should help to keep us grounded.
Congrats !
What the heck happens with Peyton will have an effect. I thought trade down is the best; but i am thinking why not take RGIII ? No downside, coach will not get fired. if he is a A++ above the rest take him. Am I just getting crazy?
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Peyton could have a huge effect
If he goes to Washington like rumored, then we’ve lost half of our bidding war suitors. Then Cleveland could just sit where they are and get RG3. It would obviously benefit us for Peyton to go elsewhere. You hate to wish for him to not be healthy enough to pass a physical, but that would help our cause as well. As for drafting RG3 ourselves, I’ll pass. I’m still a believer in Bradford. We just need to put some other playmakers around him. And this could be our chance to get the extra picks to do just that.
by davebro747 on Feb 18, 2012 8:29 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I don't think the old point system is relevant at all
for 2 reasons. 1 was already mentioned, and it is the new rookie cap system. This makes it so easy to move up because you know exactly what you will be paying that player you trade up to get. It takes away the financial fear and some of the risk. you can keep multiple high fist rounders and afford them. i honestly think we are entering the golden age of draft day trades for this reason.
and second, there is an enormous QB drop off after RG3. And think about it, this point was being made talking about Luck as well, if RG3 turns out to be a franchise QB like many think he will, he’s worth 10 first round picks. Seriously, this league is so QB heavy, teams need good QB’s to win, and they are desperate to get them. They won’t be trading 10 1sts obviously (that is an exaggeration) but expect it to be a high price, higher than armchair GM’s like us expect to see.
by TransplantedRamsFan on Feb 18, 2012 8:00 AM CST reply actions
What if the browns stay put
And take blackmon and alshon O_o
by Ram_Redemption on Feb 18, 2012 8:23 AM CST via mobile reply actions
If that happens
I want (OT) Riley or (DB)Claiborne. I like Riley more than Kalilli.
Just when Bugs thinks he's done with him, the Tasmanian Devil asks: "What for you bury me in the cold, cold ground?"
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Then Colt has no more excuses
and this will be his make or brake year.
by jmo53 on Feb 18, 2012 9:02 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
Damn iPhone keeps cutting me off!
Then they’ll still need someone that can throw the ball to them!
Lots of anxiety around here
New coaching staff
New GM
- overall pick up for trade
Loving every minute of it.
The only thing comparable to a Rams win is a 49er loss!
thats not what i posted
but i guess it’s close enough
The only thing comparable to a Rams win is a 49er loss!
Realisticly no one know's what's going to happen during the trade or how many
teams are going to bid. I believe this is the first year that there is going to be trade under the new cba so what you think you may know goes out the window cause it’s based under the old cba also remember what the Falcon’s gave up under the old cba rules for a receiver??? Well think about what teams are willing to give up for a potential franchise QB under the new cba.
Well that's true and then again it isn't
There actually was no agreement at the time of the draft but it was a foregone conclusion the rookie salary issue was going to be overhauled so even though it wasn’t set in stone teams likely felt confident they wouldn’t have to overpay for early picks. This years draft does take any possible margin of error out since the new CBA is in place. High draft picks are way more important now given the possibility of getting a high performance at a relatively low dollar amount.
I like trading with the Browns at #4
Getting either Kali or Blackmon who we’d likely pick at #2 anyway would be huge. I’d almost make this swap for as little as their 2nd round pick if they wouldn’t turn loose of #22. The only real problem is I’m not sure if RG3 is Mike H’s guy.
Anyone else wanting to trade better be prepared to pay through the nose. I’d definitely even consider drafting RG3 for leverage. This gives you more control because you know who is available when you make the trade.
The thing that people seem to be overlooking about RG3 is that he made freak’n Baylor a power in the Big 12. When’s the last time that happened. Answer, never! After the combine I guarantee you he’ll leapfrog Luck on some team’s draft boards. He’s as fast as greased lightning and throws a better deep ball than Luck. The trade offers will come pouring in and from places nobody’s even expecting. Bank on it.
Look of teams are gonna be all "scared"
Then I say F them let’s fix our team draft kalil number 2 and let the browns and redskins or any other team regret why they didn’t offer us what we wanted…I have a lot of faith in fisher and his draft skills..we don’t need 2 first round picks for us to get 2 starters…
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by RamTX on Feb 18, 2012 12:47 PM CST via mobile reply actions
The Browns won't be regreting much if the vikes dont trade either.
But really, if we do trade with the Browns, you know we get either Kalil or Blackmon, or whoever else jumps up the draft board. I get the whole trusting in Fisher thing, but why not try getting as many picks as possible? It definitely won’t hurt us, god knows we have plently of holes in our team to try to fill.
Browns
Mike Holgrem, Tom Heckert, and Pat Shurmur will decide if they love RGIII soon, but expect smoke signals either way. As a Browns fan I have no desire to trade up for RGIII, but fortunately or unfortunately I have zero control over it. I do believe the Rams pick could be watered down by Peyton Manning signing with the Redskins and Matt Flynn signing with the Dolphins. Making Seattle the next QB needy team. For Seattle to jump from #12 to #2 would cost them a huge amount of picks. Meaning RGIII could cause little to no trade value. He could then fall to the Browns if they are even in love with him. Then dare I say could RGIII be on a draft day slide. As matter of history I wouldn’t be surprised id the Browns fall in love with Morris Claiborne. Again this theory means nothing if Peyton Manning stays in Indy or someone truly does fall in love with RGIII, but I found it to be an interesting but realistic theory. Just curious if Rams fan can fathom this happening. If this were to happen do they believe Kalil or Blackmon is the pick?
I think this is a very realistic possibility.
I prefer Kalil or Reif myself but that all depends on how free agency goes. If we have no help at receiver after FA then I wouldn’t mind going receiver in first and second round. But, I also think it’s very likely that RGIII tears it up at the combine and blows teams away with his intelligence. I would definitely rather have RGIII and his contract than Sam and his. Not to say I don’t like Sam, I think he’s going to be fine, I just wish we could have drafted him one year later and gotten a much more team friendly contract.
Blackmon
Just a quick background on myself that I am more of a smash mouth type football fan. With that being said I still truly beleive the we need a true young #1 WR in order to build a future with Sam. I know the OL is where the heart is but good lord we lost too many chances for a nice WR and personally if Blackmon blows up the combine then we really need to grab him.
One more thing I like you quote “Then dare I say could RGIII be on a draft day slide” cause we all know this has happened one to many times. I still will never forget when the Texans picked Mario Williams #1 over Reggie Bush man the look on his face. Still point beng you NEVER know what is going to happen on draft day. Also one more thing as I ramble on I posted the link below once b4 so I’ll post it again for it sheds a lot of light on draft picks and how important scouting is at least IMO.
Draft Luck
http://www.nfl.com/features/freakonomics/episode-17?module=HP11_cp
Just a man who loves football
Meant 4 Browns Fan
Just a man who loves football
by BurnoutJoeB. on Feb 19, 2012 11:09 AM CST up reply actions
What makes RG3 more valuable is simple. The season that former Heisman winner Auburn Alum, Cam Newton had last year at Carolina. With the monster season he had last year, offensive coordinator around the league are dying to recreate that on their team. Just our luck the very next year another scrambling, rocket arm, QB wins the heisman and has his lion’s share of the attention. Rightfully so.
Hindsight is always 20/20. What if I was the ghost of draft days future and I could visit you one night and take you into the future and show you that RG3 is like the next Vick or the next RG3. Making his name as the offensive rookie of the league and an eventual perenial pro bowler slash future hall of famer. Would we be looking to trade Sam and make a place for RG3 as our new Franchise Icon Player. Some would argue that RG3’s mobility and confidence would give him a shot at outperforming Sam next year.
Thoughts of a Chief Fan
why not Let K C Chiefs send Dorsey, Cassel and our 1st for Sam Bradford and Your 2nd. They can take RGIII for around 22 million and we take bradford for the remaining 26mil over 4 yrs left on his contract. We not have our QBOTF in Bradford and the Rams get RGIII with their 2nd Pick (their QBOTF) and Rams still have Chief’s 11th pick to get more help.
WIN WIN HERE!!!
by Douglas E. Dart on Feb 19, 2012 8:41 PM CST reply actions
What's the point of sending Cassel if we're just going to draft RGIII?
Then we just have to pay them both and pay one of them not to start. Plus the organization is rather fond of Bradford. If the chiefs want a QBOTF why not trade for the Rams pick and take RGIII themselves?
A DE? With 4 career sacks?
And McCassel! No thanks! We need draft picks and young talented players.
by jmo53 on Feb 19, 2012 10:12 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
Not enough for Sam
Knowledge is knowing a tomato is a fruit; Wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad.
hell no
need more for giving up sam for starters. And no matter how the trade goes, we’re on the hook for 35-36 mill on Bradford’s contract. Trust me, I’m killing all Bradford trade rumors, it will not happen, we can’t just throw away 30+ mill into the trash, it’d be retarded.
Haikus are easy,
but sometimes they don't make sense.
Refrigerator.
RG IIII will not command multiple first round picks as well as a high second and 3rd.
If so it would have to be the Skins and Snyder. RG III would have gone in the second or third if not for Cam Newton. Hines Ward was a great college QB as was Troy Smith and the other 150 multi threat QB’s that have come from the college game, only to fail or switch positions. Cam can be coached and can throw well, that is why he has had some success.
Ron Paul 2012
I don't think know if you've seen RGIII play often.
He’s a dual threat QB sure but he doesn’t run all that often. He’s a MUCH better passer out of college than Newton was. Sure he can run but he doesn’t rely on it like Newton did.
...would have gone in the 2nd or 3rd round?
Heisman winning QB in the 3rd round!?
by jmo53 on Feb 19, 2012 10:18 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
worst case scenerio
another qb in the draft jumps up much like ponder did. Also Dalton is making it much easier for a team to draft a qbotf in the 2nd or 3rd. I see Washington getting Tannehill and someone else like jerry jones jumping for RGIII. Romo is done.
agree with Dallas
Someone will fall a bit due to a QB run in the first or Richardson going top 10. Plenty of talent for us at the top. Plus Dallas has to give up more picks. More lottery tickets for the Rams in this draft.
by jmo53 on Feb 19, 2012 10:26 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
Everett
Dude RGIII has one of the best passer ratings in college football. He is a better qb than Newton. if someone truly watches the game of football, then you can always tell what qbs will make it in the NFL. I dont think you understand what kind of talent this kid is. GO watch some tape or do something.
agree with everything but
you can always tell…
by jmo53 on Feb 19, 2012 10:28 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
I found this at Hoggs Haven - Interesting
Clayton seems to focus on our team for the trade….
1. The Rams are open for a trade: With the second pick in the draft, the St. Louis Rams could be very active this week in fielding offers for teams interested in trading up for Baylor quarterback Robert Griffin III.
Seahawks general manager John Schneider, who has either the 11th or 12th pick in the draft depending on Friday’s coin flip, thinks the Seahawks are too far away from the No. 2 pick to make a deal. Plus, the Rams are in the same division as Seattle, and they wouldn’t want to give Griffin to a rival.
That leaves the Browns, Redskins and Dolphins as teams in the draft with a top-10 pick that could go after Griffin. The Browns draft No. 4 and might have to give up their other pick in the first round. The Redskins draft sixth, and because they aren’t interested in unsigned Green Bay backup quarterback Matt Flynn, what would make sense is working on a trade to get something done as early as this week.
If the Redskins made the right offers this week — and we have had draft-choice trades made before the trade deadline and at the combine — the Redskins could get to No. 2. The two main options for the Redskins are Griffin or Manning.
The reason this is leaking is because St. Louis is letting teams know, "make your offer now", because we could be trading the pick well before the draft.
Seems to make sense to get offers before some teams show their cards…
Itching feeling
I have a good feeling that what you will get for RGIII is; now here me out. The sleeper is the K C Chiefs. They could offer their #1 (11) and Dwayne Bowe a garenteed home run hitter WR ( as good as any you can draft this year) that makes lik another top 10 pic = bowe. with a 3 and 5th this year and maybey a 2nd next year
by Douglas E. Dart on Feb 28, 2012 6:47 PM CST reply actions
delusional
thats what you are. It’s hard to ‘here’ you out when you say such silly things…..maybey it’s just me
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