Why is the EJD so bad?
Can someone let me know, I have heard it is horrible to go see a game in.
What were they thinking when they built it?
What is it like to see a game in the dome?
I am from New Jersey and my girlfriends dad is a season ticket holder for the Jets so I have been to six games in the new stadium, I have to say it is seriously unimpressive. That stadium cost 1.6 billion dollars, and is 24 months old. Its very grey, it is cold in the north east in the winter but this place just makes you feel colder. When you try to go into the stadium it can take up to an hour, just to get from the ticket checkers to the escalators and he has the premium parking and field level seats. The place is MASSIVE, and it seems very corporate, it is very New York. It is not loud, and the upper deck is wayyyy to far from the field, the upper deck in the new stadium starts where the old stadium use to end, just to give you perspective. You could take old giants stadium and plop it in the center of the new one and the upper deck would be equal to the second level, Its crazy. I have a point here.
I was reading that one of the best stadiums in the NFL was actually one of the cheapest to build. Foxboro cost New England 320 million dollars and it is always mentioned as one of the best stadiums in the NFL. Why can't the city of St louis find a middle ground, something along the lines of Lucas Oil Stadium. I think the Rams should build something that is very heritage based, I like the Idea of a retractable roof. I think a brick exterior would go well with the midwest but then again I have never been to the city so I don't really know. To perform 400 million in renovation to the stadium during an offseason is unrealistic. It would likely take years to perform forcing the Rams to either play home games in a construction site. or play at another stadium. I would like to know what St Louisans would like to see in a brand spankin new stadium. because lets be honest, we are all delusional if we think the Rams are staying in STL without getting a new stadium.
So lets have an open discussion about what we would like to see in a new stadium. Something built for the Rams and the city of STL.
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The cheerleaders cheer at the wrong times and they play California Gurls over the speakers
Only been to one game there and I don’t really see the complaints other than those I mentioned and that could be easily fixed. There’s also the red seats, but none of this requires millions or billions of dollars. I’d go more often if I had the money. imo It’s a bad place to see a game because no one likes to cry in public
i dont need it improved
My major complaint is that the music and other non-football breaks are played at too high a volume. Pump me up with better play, not higher decibals. Sure I would like a better scoreboard or sunlight but I don’t consider it very important.
by bashuck on Feb 1, 2012 7:11 PM CST via mobile reply actions
How about seats that aren't red?
2 men enter 1 man leaves. THOSE ARE THE RULES OF THUNDER DOME!
"I learned that Madonna will be singing at the Super Bowl. I thought this was football not the soundtrack to your menopause." ~ RAMpage28
Agree with all of this
This might have changed, but I was at the high school championship a few years ago, camped out and got sideline seats at the 50…and they were plastic. No frills, nothing special, just like I was sitting in the rafters (where I’m normally relegated).
I’ve been interested in this and sports architecture in general for a while, but Burwell’s column about looking to Indy for guidance on the situation made me laugh. I did a write up on it if ya’ll are interested.
Ask me about my prima facie case...
Nice article...
… I don’t agree with much of it though. St. Louis has every right to aim higher, irregardless of current population numbers reflecting the Western region of St. Louis.
Courtesy of Wikipedia:
St. Louis /seɪnt ˈluːɪs/ (French: Saint-Louis or St-Louis, [sɛ̃ lwi] ( listen)) is an independent city7 on the eastern border of Missouri, United States. With a population of 319,294, it was the 58th-largest U.S. city at the 2010 U.S. Census. The Metropolitan Statistical Area (MSA) population of 2,812,896 is the 18th-largest in the country. The Greater St. Louis combined statistical area’s (CSA) population of 2,878,255 is the 16th-largest CSA in the country, the fourth-largest in the Midwest, and the largest in the state.
The overall population base is still strong. Furthermore, I’m not sure there would be an EJD to argue about if the Rams hadn’t decided to move to St. Louis.
Don’t get me wrong, you raised many solid points in your article. I think it would be extremely intelligent to make any renovations “multi-applicable” to other events. St. Louis needs added value for any future investment in the EJD
You based half of your arguement on population size
and you just took the city population and didn’t take into consideration the county population. Sorry bud, it was a good attempt though.
I have gone to multiple games at Arrowhead and Edward Jones, both NFL and college.
Arrowhead is vastly superior for several reasons.
1. Arrowhead is the Chiefs, and the Chiefs are Arrowhead. We have a spectacular museum-type hall of fame on the first level, and have the helmets of the state champions for Kansas and Missouri in every division displayed. Out front there is a statue of Lamar Hunt and 65-Toss-Power-Trap engraved in front of it. We have pictures of Chiefs players on the walls, and the bars in the stadium have an old AFL theme (for example, one is called "The Follish Club). You know exactly who plays there and the history of the franchise.
The EJD, by comparison, has very few references to the Rams, from what I remember. The seats aren’t even the Rams colors. There is no sense of gravitas.
2. Arrowhead is state of the art. The video boards and sound work perfectly.
The Ed feels rundown. When I went to the Chiefs-Rams game last year, a local marching band played the national anthem, but the audio system made them sound terrible. Part of the video things (the thin strip that goes around the stadium, I forget what it’s called) was broken. The music they played was so loud that you couldn’t hear people talk. It made it feel like they were making up for the lack of noise from the fans, which brings me to the next point.
3. The atmosphere at Arrowhead is unbelievable. With one of the best tailgating experiences in the world in the BBQ capital of the world, it is ill-advised to go to a game hungry, since you’ll be forced to walk by hundreds of tailgate parties. But even once you get into the stadium you can still smell the food. The crowd at the game is always into it (unless it’s a blowout), and the fact that it’s the loudest stadium in the NFL is amazing considering that there is nothing to reflect the sound back down to the field (like there is at Seattle). Everybody there is into the game and cares passionately about the outcome.
The Edward-Jones dome feels like a warehouse. The fans hardly cared, and many had left by the fourth quarter, even though the Rams were still in the game. There is no tailgating to speak of, and we actually got yelled at for standing up. And they play commercials during breaks, which I found unbelievable.
It may be unfair to compare the EJD to Arrowhead, since the Chiefs are blessed to have one of the best sports atmospheres in the world, but the EJD doesn’t even seem to make an attempt. The EJD seems better suited to hosting contentions than to hosting football games. It’s like the Rams are doing the bare minimum in order to put on NFL games.
The short version is that when you go to a game at Arrowhead, you feel as though you’re attending a very important event. A game at the EJD feels like something nobody should care about. My sister had some friends from St. Louis visit, and they were excited that they would get to see Arrowhead. Nobody’s excited to see the EJD.
by wustl_chiefs_fan on Feb 1, 2012 8:17 PM CST reply actions
I personally dont have an issue with the stadium,
The rams just need to win, fill the seats, making a more enjoyable atmosphere for all.
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I have season tickets for the Rams
and have since they came to St. Louis. I go to the game to see football. I don’t go there for all sorts of socializing (tailgating) or to see celebrities or otherwise be entertained. I go to see a football game. The Ed has great sight lines and everyone seems close to the field. I went to the Super Bowl in New Orlean s and our seats were so far away from the field and the actual game that it was ridiculous. We couldn’t tell one Ram player from another. That is never a problem at the Ed. For the most part I think the Ed does a fine job of allowing you to see the game up close and inimpeded..
The only real problem is the stinking sound system. Half the time you can’t tell what is being said. The choice of music and the loud volume are done at the request of the players, who used to complain about the music – especially during pregame warmups.
Those of you who didn’t experience the Ed during the GSOT days don’t know what it can be like. The place used to rock all the time. For playoffs they actually handed out earplugs to keep the fans from damaging their hearing it was so loud. Having six or eight years of pitiful football does a lot to take the heart out of the fans. That isn’t the fault of the dome, though, that’s the fault of the team.
Been around...and EDJ is not that damn bad
I have been a fan since the Rams came to STL! I’ve been to Indy, Dallas, Denver, Oakland, San Francisco, Seattle, Atlanta and Miami. I can tell you that there are a few far better and a few far worse, but it all starts with the fans! It’s hard to cheer hard when most of the time since The Greatest Show, we have had talent, but shoot ourselves in the foot every time. It seems like the Ram’s worst enemy is themselves. I think Stan sees that and is trying his best to “right the ship”. I think the right combo is here and if the Rams can punch out some wins then the people will come. The more the fans respond to not only the Rams, but downtown as a whole, all will be well. The ideas from the CVC are nice ones and I would love them as a fan. They will probably have to come up another $20 mil though. Like the windows idea for extra light too!
Bad sound system, horrible time getting in, lines last forever
it’s dark in there, kills the fan cheering
Knowledge is knowing a tomato is a fruit; Wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad.
I don't know which entrance yuu have been using,
but I’ve never been in line to get through the NFL mandated securty checks for more than four or five minutes and usually it’s less than that. The lines are much shorter than in most NFL stadiums.
I do agree the sound system is terrible.They have to do something about that.
It's because everyone has to go up escalators
and at each entrance there’s only 2 and both are the skinny type.
Knowledge is knowing a tomato is a fruit; Wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad.
Nothing wrong with the Ed.
What’s wrong is what’s happened to proffessional sports in this country. They used to be for the average guy and now they have become something corporate. We’ve seen the natural passion for the sport generate such a buzz that it creates an artificial demand. Football tickets have become a status symbol for the rich and a business tool for corporations. The NFL isn’t stupid. They realize these are the clients they need to cater to if they want to maximize their profits. Sadly this group isn’t content with a decent vantage point of the game. They worry about stupid shit like the paint on the walls or TVs in the johns. We’ve seen a trend of NFL teams developing extravagant stadiums to justify outrageous PSL fees and ticket prices. The only real problem the Ed has is it was built before this trend took off like wild fire. The one lucky thing is they did build it with plenty of luxury suites.
Now personally I prefer outdoor football and I find football in a dome to be strange… not so much bad but rather lacking a certain energy that comes from being outside. This basic fact is true of all indoor stadiums and this gloom is one of the biggest gripes we hear about the Ed. Also outdoor stadiums increase the value of your suites as they provide a different experience by being climate controlled. The one good thing about being in a dome is a better experience on a rainy day.
The one key area, in terms of revenue, where the Ed lacks is the absense of a parking lot. This is a great opportunity for revenue that is lost due to being locked into downtown. From a game day experience, I’d say a massive parking area that had a better flow is the one thing I’s most desire in a new stadium. The current situation doesn’t keep me from tailgating but it really is far from ideal. If the bulk of the fans were exposed to seeing this experience on their way in as they currently don’t as the metro station is on the other side of the stadium, I would suspect more would decide to emulate it. Let’s face it if you tailgate you are more amped up once you arrive and this would help with my second biggest gripe, the dosile fans.
A big problem facing St Louis in terms of financing is they are currently locked into the city/county/state. This limits where they can go to generate revenue for renovations or a new stadium. One thing to consider is the moment Stan opts out of his lease he will free himself to accept money from several outlying counties that are probly dying to put themselves on the map. The biggest hurdle I would venture is the fact that the greater St Louis area is split across two states. This makes it quite difficult in terms of a direct tax or financing from Illinois.
Ultimately I think we’ll see St Louis begrudgingly poney up to keep the Rams. It really is a great town for sports. The only reason the dome isn’t packed every Sunday is the abismal record over the last several years. If this get’s fixed the Dome will be packed like it was for it’s first ten years.

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