What To Expect In The Rams Dome Negotiations
It's D-Day, which in this case refers to Dome Day, Feb. 1, the day that the CVC delivers their (maybe) bold vision for the future of the Edward Jones Dome to the St. Louis Rams. Will it be enough to satisfy the Rams? Probably not initially, but we'll see where the process goes from here.
What should we expect?
There is no straight line between today and the the ultimate question of whether or not the Rams stay in St. Louis. The CVC presents its offer. The Rams have until March 1 to counter, and the two sides can go to arbitration to hammer out an agreement, if they so choose. All this is playing out against a backdrop of the team committed to dumping home games for London and Stan Kroenke, the team's owner, trying to buy the Los Angeles Dodgers.
Both the London and the Dodgers subplots are viable business opportunities for Kroenke. Both moves are not-so subtle reminders that the Rams have tremendous amounts of a leverage in this process.
What keeps the Rams in St. Louis? Set aside the "top tier" requirement. It's just a trigger in this whole process.
Right now, the Rams already have an incredibly favorable deal on the Dome. For a meager $500,000 each year, the Rams get the Dome and their practice facility at Rams Park. The deal is so favorable that the team even gets the ad revenue inside the Dome. That's the NFL equivalent of living in your parents' basement, with your history degree pinned to the wall,in exchange for mowing the lawn twice a month.
The Rams have made it clear that they want a facility that can host multiple events, not just football games. Their comments have also intimated that they expect the public to pony up for such a facility. Quite frankly, I'd be a little shocked if Kroenke weren't gunning for at least partial ownership of the building, which would be a cash cow untouchable by the league's revenue sharing system.
Everyone assumes that the state and city governments will not kick in the hundreds of million of dollars it will take to modernize the Dome or build a new facility. The economy, the political unpopularity of tax revenues for such an enterprise, etc.
Experts and politicians said the same thing in Minnesota, where the Vikings have had the local population wringing their hands during the final season of their lease on the Metrodome. Political leaders there have softened their stance considerably, and it now looks as though they'll kick in at least a third of the cost for a new facility on the site of the old one.
Never underestimate politicians' fealty to their corporate masters. Forty percent of the people may vote, but campaign contributors are the main constituent for elected leaders of both parties. In the end, I think the city, the state legislature and the governor can't say no to a Missouri native willing to give the city a black eye by pulling out professional football for the second time in a generation. And don't forget, Kroenke helps develop land and buildings for one of the biggest companies in the state and the entire world. Wal-Mart puts a lot more money into campaigns than the small businesses its destroys.
I'm not taking a stand as to whether the public should pony up or not, just telling you to prepare for a likely inevitability.
Count On Downtown, an excellent St. Louis city blog, has a look at some potential changes to the Dome and the surrounding bottle district that could keep the team here.
And the truth is, the Rams do have a point about the presence of such a facility in the status of the city. Indianapolis is hosting a Super Bowl this week. There is no reason St. Louis shouldn't be able to do the same. A single NFL team doesn't raise the profile of a city or put any significant amount of money into the local economy by itself, but the value add of a facility capable of attracting events to the city year round would do that, bringing in everything from Super Bowls to political party conventions.
Is it the responsibility of you and I to pay for that and Stan Kroenke to reap the profits? Sort of a moral gray area, isn't it?
The show starts today, and we'll see what happens. I used to be pretty optimistic about the Rams chances for sticking around. As a cynic, I still am, though for reasons that are probably a scathing indictment of our political system. That said, be prepared for anything to happen, especially the likelihood of this thing getting uglier before it gets resolved one way or another.
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Reason 1 to not live in an NFL area
You don’t pay taxes on the Stadium and can use the money you save to buy Sunday Ticket. Since we are on a minor political topic here, how bout Romney destroying guys in the Florida primary last night?
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by King Sam Rules! on Feb 1, 2012 8:36 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Politics never end well on this site
Romney won’t win, conservative republicans don’t like him, he’s too much like Obama. He will win the republican nomination but won’t beat Obama..
Bradford + Blackmon = Secondaries Beware
by RG31 on Feb 1, 2012 9:48 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
This year, the republicans are in the same boat that the democrats were in in 2004.
If they would only find an decent nominee, they’d beat Obama because he’s not very strong. However, lacking a decent candidate, Obama will likely win a second term.
Sounds like Bush v Kerry 2.0 to me.
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Thought you were gonna ignore me? xD
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by RG31 on Feb 1, 2012 1:14 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Romney is the best candidate (rep or dem) IMO
But sadly you are probably right
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by King Sam Rules! on Feb 1, 2012 11:17 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I doubt the tax money saved would buy even one season of Sunday Ticket.
I’m about as unengaged in Presidential politics as you can get. Something about Romney just rubs me the wrong way. I’m sure he has a vision and sound doctrine he subscribes to but he just strikes me as a slightly less wooden version of Al Gore. I just hink he’ll struggle in a general campaign. Clearly Obama sold a vision that wasn’t realistic and his inexperience has been a disaster in terms of working with not only the Republicans but not having the ability to control his own party. I’m for whatever it takes to get things moving in this country and sadly I think a real son-of-a-bitch like Newt would be better equipped to grease the political gears with his sliminess and ultimately break this stalemate we are perpetually stuck in.
Yeah, Florida, where Romney won by 14% over Gingrich
It was a combo of adds where Tom Brokaw reminded us about Newt Gingrich’s political past (ethics violations while Speaker) and Gingrich wanting a “moon base”
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by King Sam Rules! on Feb 1, 2012 8:54 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Step 1: Develop Laser Cats is achieved!

This life's hard, man, but it's harder if you're stupid.
- Jackie Brown
That impression looks pretty good.
Extra convention space would mean the CVC could tone down the aspects of the Dome that make it a better convention hall at the expense of the football experience, and like they say this new hall wouldn’t have to close for football (of course, the Dome would still serve as a hall at times but the lighting and things like that could be more temporary in nature)
The interesting thing is America’s Center is already one of the biggest convention centers for a metro area this size, adding even more could help us attract bigger events that currently go elsewhere. It could also elevate current conventions into more important events.
Humbug. Taxpayer-built stadiums destroy cities.
Just like they destroyed Cincinnati
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704461304576216330349497852.html
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the stadium didn't destroy Cincinatti.
This life's hard, man, but it's harder if you're stupid.
- Jackie Brown
being that the city physically still exists, yes
but, the city (and county) that Cincy is in has serious budget issues that it has pushed on the taxpayers.
Money used better elsewhere IMO. If the teams want a stadium, build one.
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It was moreso a joke
about Cincinnati being a crappy city regardless of the stadium…
This life's hard, man, but it's harder if you're stupid.
- Jackie Brown
Rule #1 dont talk about Fight Club
Rule #2 no politics
That is actually a good rule
I apoligize for not knowing it
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by King Sam Rules! on Feb 1, 2012 10:59 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Boom. On point.
Haikus are easy,
but sometimes they don't make sense.
Refrigerator.
by sergey606 on Feb 1, 2012 12:45 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
The CVC
better do whatever it takes to keep the Rams here or St. Louis WILL never get another NFL team here again( don’t what anbody but the Rams).
and the people of St. Louis will rejoice
because they will be able to have funding for public schools and other services.
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How much money via income tax
is generated by having these pro players inside the county?
I don’t think it’s a choice of having the Rams or well funded schools. There is enough tax base in St Louis to fund both if they are smart. I know of a lot of rural school districts that do a hell of a lot better with far less than what those in StL have.
ya
that’s certainly true. Money doesn’t equal success, but more money is better.
As far as Tax Revenue, most players live out in St. Charles or other distant suburb by Rams Park.
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If only we could sell worthless shares of stock for $100 a share ; )
Buld Stan his stadium with the condition that the team stays in St Louis forever and that the community inherits the team upon his death.
Vote on this disgusting "New" Look
See your canidate in these:
http://thelook.today.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/01/30/10270632-drop-crotch-jeans-trend-hot-or-horrible
WANTED: New Stadium
We need a new outdoor venue. Football fans love it. It is the way football is meant to be played (in the elements and raw), not in some dimly lit, sterile, echo chamber they call “the Edward Jones Dome”. Develop the area just south of Harrah’s Casino and build so you can see the river from inside the stadium.
It makes sense being at that location for a few reasons.
1- The practice facility is minutes away.
2- You have other popular venues close by. eg: Verizon Wireless Amphitheater, Harrah’s, Ameristar, Creve Coeur Lake/Park, Family Arena, and a couple of community multi-sports complexes.
3- There would also be better access to the stadium with 270, 70, 634. Also the new express way being built connecting them all.
4- There are two airports minutes away. Also it would be more central for the majority of Rams fans.
5- If this stadium was designed to incorporate the river and it’s surrounding it would look amazing, which is always a plus.
To be quite honest
I’d love to know where the idea that “football is meant to be played in the elements and raw” came about. Where is it written?
I mean sure, originally it was played outside in most weather conditions. But was there a choice?
I personally like dome football over outdoor football. It’s pure and true. The game is decided by the better team that day not the wind or slippery field.
Football is meant to be played by running the ball, throwing the ball, and kicking the ball. When you introduce outside elements like weather, you take an aspect (sometimes more than one) away from what the game is.
If the Rams ended up building an outdoor stadium in St. Louis (or renovating the current stadium into one) I’d be fine with it. But let’s be clear, football is not meant to be played “in the elements and raw”.
And really, how is football played in the “raw”?
(I actually think the points you make in your comment are legitimate points. And if it’s your preference to play football outside, then fine. Just say it. Don’t make things up about how the game is “meant” to be played. It’s your opinion and it’s fine but that doesn’t make it fact.)
This life's hard, man, but it's harder if you're stupid.
- Jackie Brown
That's exactly why every recent superbowl is in a dome or a warm climate
Fuck the cold
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by sergey606 on Feb 1, 2012 12:47 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Jackie, point taken. It defiantly is a personal preference. However for arguments sake, look at what some of the 10 top / most esteemed stadiums; none are domed. (2 are convertible) http://bleacherreport.com/articles/797201-power-rankings-the-ten-best-stadiums-in-the-nfl
correction:
That rely is to “Tackle Box”, not “Jackie”, ha.
according to Chad Smith......
and, really? Soldier Field at number 4?
It’s a really nice stadium, shoved inside an old stadium. And he talks about the history on display specifically citing the flag poles and pillars. None of which are visible from the inside of the stadium.
Again, while most of these stadiums are great places, this is still just one man’s opinion.
This life's hard, man, but it's harder if you're stupid.
- Jackie Brown
I prefer an outdoor playpen as well,
Playing on real grass would cut down on some of many injuries the Rams endure.
by Ram Fan Since 4 Years Old on Feb 1, 2012 1:10 PM CST up reply actions
CVC Contract (does is have to be in the City of St. Louis?)
Does anyone know if the team has to be located in the City?
Dome improvements
From a fan perspective this is what I want to see.
1. Rip out the scarlet seats. Yeah I get it, we were almost the St Louis Stallions. But our colors are blue and gold. Rip every red seat out and replace it with a gold one.
2. Illuminate the top (400) sections. When its dark, those people get quiet.
3. Install a better sound system. The one we have is crap.
4. Remove the fence rails in the end zone so Rams players can Lambeau leap.
5. Bulldoze something (should have been the Stix Baer and Fuller building) so you can have some giant adjoining parking lots for tailgating.
6. Install jumbotrons up high at the 50 yard line. Im tired of having to turn around in the end zone to see what is happening at the other end zone.
If you can’t do all these things, then just give Kroenke the land at the Chysler plant in Fenton. That place is at the junction of 3 major highways, right by a pretty park and river, and he could build an open air stadium there. Leave the Ed Jones Dome for Final Fours and tractor pulls.
"To crush the Seahawks, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentation of the women."
STLRambler:
STLRambler:
If we had to stick with the Edward Jones Dome, I agree with all you points big time.
I strongly feels we need a new venue though. A new, beautiful open air stadium, near a waterfront would promote fan ownership. That is one of the biggest traits of a great team and fan base, ownership.
Also that area in Fenton would be great for access. It is right on I44 which is like heaven compared to the Hell of finding parking and leaving the Edward Jones Dome.
Dome Improvements
1. replace red seats with the same blue ones the FL seats at the 50yd line got last renovation.
2. Install some skylights or windows to allow in natural light.
3. Sound System… personally I don’t have a problem with the current one but 9 out if 10 people always bring it up.
4. We’d get penalized if our player did the Lambeau Leap so let’s not encourage it ; )
5. Develop a Satallite parking lot with a shuttle that let’s you get the entry pat down before you board the shuttle so you can enter the stadium without waiting.
6. Just expand the south Jumbotron to match the north one.
7. Expand the concourse on either the North or West side of the stadium to include a dedicated team store and food court area.
8. Develop a long range plan to develop a new site at either the Fenton or Earth City area.
Thats what im talkin bout!!! in and out
We might be down now but when we get back up u better move out are way are ul get RAMED!!!
by Ramzman18 on Feb 1, 2012 2:09 PM CST via mobile reply actions

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