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2011-12 Bowls: Discover Orange Bowl open thread (West Virginia v. Clemson)

I promised the shortest intro ever. Open thread after the jump.

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2012 Discover Orange Bowl

Discover Orange Bowl, (West Virginia v. Clemson), 8:30pm - ESPN

References:

- my preview

- Mocking the Draft notes

- the SBN StoryStream

- the EDSBS 35 for 35 show (with Luke Zimmerman)

- Bill C's stat-heavy preview and prediction

- The Smoking Musket, the SBN community for fans of West Virginia

- Shakin' the Southland, the SBN community for Clemson fans

There's going to be tons of points scored, so even if you know nothing about the prospects or teams you should be entertained. And yes, Dabo and Dana are two of the most entertaining coaches as well.

So if you're going to watch tonight, drop some notes here. Does West Virginia junior wideout Tavon Austin (#1) look athletic enough to be the kind of playmaker Rams fans are clamoring for? How about speedy Clemson junior RB Andre Ellington (#23)?

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Iowa v. Oklahoma?

Did we relocate the Mountaineers to Des Moines?

"Fac Fortia et Patere"

by FailureDrill on Jan 4, 2012 7:27 PM CST via Android app reply actions  

Stoops is trying something new.

Hopefully it helps Landry with his passing.

"Fac Fortia et Patere"

by FailureDrill on Jan 4, 2012 7:38 PM CST via Android app up reply actions  

heheh

I copied the title over from the Insight Bowl.

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"my keyboard won't corporate, neighter will my smell check." - Knoxfan

by 3k on Jan 4, 2012 7:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Yes!

The Insight Bowel!

Turf Show Times editor, Mocking the Draft writer, and I gots that Twitter too, yo.
"my keyboard won't corporate, neighter will my smell check." - Knoxfan

by 3k on Jan 4, 2012 7:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Insight Bowel, eh?

That sounds disgusting. Like a colonoscopy or something.

"Fac Fortia et Patere"

by FailureDrill on Jan 4, 2012 7:51 PM CST via Android app up reply actions  

No one on Clemson can catch

….so we’ll draft all of their receivers

by DCRamFan on Jan 4, 2012 8:02 PM CST reply actions  

They have the freshman of the year and the John Mackey Award

at receiver and tight end lol…

"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.

by douchiedude on Jan 4, 2012 8:16 PM CST up reply actions  

just calling em like I see em, buddy

3 dropped passes in the first two possessions. One by the aforementioned Mackey winner

by DCRamFan on Jan 4, 2012 8:17 PM CST up reply actions  

that's some pretty extreme calling em like you see em

one drop=can’t catch?

Turf Show Times editor, Mocking the Draft writer, and I gots that Twitter too, yo.
"my keyboard won't corporate, neighter will my smell check." - Knoxfan

by 3k on Jan 4, 2012 8:18 PM CST up reply actions  

none needed

but you were right, dropsies early. Looks like they got it ironed out

Turf Show Times editor, Mocking the Draft writer, and I gots that Twitter too, yo.
"my keyboard won't corporate, neighter will my smell check." - Knoxfan

by 3k on Jan 4, 2012 8:23 PM CST up reply actions  

Well that was easy

Turf Show Times editor, Mocking the Draft writer, and I gots that Twitter too, yo.
"my keyboard won't corporate, neighter will my smell check." - Knoxfan

by 3k on Jan 4, 2012 8:05 PM CST reply actions  

Great athleticism from Austin

on that TD. And he had control into the pylon. Good stuff

Turf Show Times editor, Mocking the Draft writer, and I gots that Twitter too, yo.
"my keyboard won't corporate, neighter will my smell check." - Knoxfan

by 3k on Jan 4, 2012 8:12 PM CST reply actions  

early day 3

to a team like the Rams who needs that kind of agility in their WR corps

Turf Show Times editor, Mocking the Draft writer, and I gots that Twitter too, yo.
"my keyboard won't corporate, neighter will my smell check." - Knoxfan

by 3k on Jan 4, 2012 8:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Bailey and Austin are awesome.

What do you think about Bailey? He’s got the size.

"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.

by douchiedude on Jan 4, 2012 8:18 PM CST up reply actions  

I guess

He’s not even 6’…but he can play. WVU’s system is so different than most NFL teams. Constant vertical aggression

Turf Show Times editor, Mocking the Draft writer, and I gots that Twitter too, yo.
"my keyboard won't corporate, neighter will my smell check." - Knoxfan

by 3k on Jan 4, 2012 8:21 PM CST up reply actions  

CRAP I meant Ivan McCartney.

He’s the one with the 6-3 frame, and he’s supposed to have a lot of potential.

"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.

by douchiedude on Jan 4, 2012 8:24 PM CST up reply actions  

he does, but I think he's being horrendously misused in their system

More of a possession type mid-ranger (think Dwight Jones) who’s being used as the underneath decoy for Austin/Bailey. But yeah, maybe next year they open him up more

Turf Show Times editor, Mocking the Draft writer, and I gots that Twitter too, yo.
"my keyboard won't corporate, neighter will my smell check." - Knoxfan

by 3k on Jan 4, 2012 8:30 PM CST up reply actions  

nice hands on that

3rd down conversion

Turf Show Times editor, Mocking the Draft writer, and I gots that Twitter too, yo.
"my keyboard won't corporate, neighter will my smell check." - Knoxfan

by 3k on Jan 4, 2012 8:23 PM CST up reply actions  

Yup yup

they’ve got some beast receivers there.

"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.

by douchiedude on Jan 4, 2012 8:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Come onnnnnnnn WVU!

"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.

by douchiedude on Jan 4, 2012 8:16 PM CST reply actions  

What is this defensive thing Clemson is doing?

Seems very weird not to just let WVU score.

Turf Show Times editor, Mocking the Draft writer, and I gots that Twitter too, yo.
"my keyboard won't corporate, neighter will my smell check." - Knoxfan

by 3k on Jan 4, 2012 8:22 PM CST reply actions  

Clemson's D-line prospects

is playing themselves deeper into day 2.

Turf Show Times editor, Mocking the Draft writer, and I gots that Twitter too, yo.
"my keyboard won't corporate, neighter will my smell check." - Knoxfan

by 3k on Jan 4, 2012 8:30 PM CST reply actions  

Oh yeah I meant to ask.

You think we could get Sanu with the 34th or do you think he’s the second receiver gone?

"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.

by douchiedude on Jan 4, 2012 8:32 PM CST up reply actions  

big offseason guy

Needs to test & interview well. Show that he can work in a system more than just stand out on a crappy team. He’s got phenomenal body control and plus hands, but his footwork underneath is a little sloppy. If he can’t get better at the routes <10 yards, wouldn’t make sense to draft him until mid 3rd or later

Turf Show Times editor, Mocking the Draft writer, and I gots that Twitter too, yo.
"my keyboard won't corporate, neighter will my smell check." - Knoxfan

by 3k on Jan 4, 2012 8:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Oh really?

Well that’s good then haha. What’s your receiver board look like? I’d really rather try to trade down and take Martin (we’d probably be out of Blackmon around 7) and take a steal at receiver.

"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.

by douchiedude on Jan 4, 2012 8:38 PM CST up reply actions  

Nothing that unusual in top 8 or so

But overall boards are a bit deceiving. Some receivers are apples and oranges. How do you compare a Kendall Wright to Alshon? maybe a full 6" difference in combine measurement, and HUGE speed difference. Teams that have a certain role to fill will value one and not the other. The Rams, for example, have to be DYING for a speed guy. That gives Wright, Jarius Wright, Markus Wheaton all extra value that other teams may not assign them.

Turf Show Times editor, Mocking the Draft writer, and I gots that Twitter too, yo.
"my keyboard won't corporate, neighter will my smell check." - Knoxfan

by 3k on Jan 4, 2012 8:42 PM CST up reply actions  

Truth.

Could use a Torrey Smith kind of guy, but I’d like a Blackmon too. Just never with the #2 pick, we could get so much more by trading down and I think Kalil is just the best value there, so one or the other on that.

"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.

by douchiedude on Jan 4, 2012 8:45 PM CST up reply actions  

agreed on all fronts

and I noted a couple times last year that Torrey Smith made total sense if we didn’t want to keep Donnie Avery…and somehow the Rams found a way to avoid drafting speed and to cut Avery. An amazing double doozy.

Turf Show Times editor, Mocking the Draft writer, and I gots that Twitter too, yo.
"my keyboard won't corporate, neighter will my smell check." - Knoxfan

by 3k on Jan 4, 2012 8:46 PM CST up reply actions  

LOL.

I didn’t even realize he broke 800 yards until today. Impressive.

"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.

by douchiedude on Jan 4, 2012 8:48 PM CST up reply actions  

did a much better job working inside the hash marks

than I thought he would. I really wanted Julio to top 1k though

Turf Show Times editor, Mocking the Draft writer, and I gots that Twitter too, yo.
"my keyboard won't corporate, neighter will my smell check." - Knoxfan

by 3k on Jan 4, 2012 8:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Oh damn, just missed it.

He had a nice second half surge.

"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.

by douchiedude on Jan 4, 2012 8:59 PM CST up reply actions  

No fuckin' way.

Austin is a quick little dude hah. JUST inside both times! GTFO LOL.

"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.

by douchiedude on Jan 4, 2012 8:31 PM CST reply actions  

unbelievable

SOOOO lucky with those feet

Turf Show Times editor, Mocking the Draft writer, and I gots that Twitter too, yo.
"my keyboard won't corporate, neighter will my smell check." - Knoxfan

by 3k on Jan 4, 2012 8:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Whoa

the old frozen O-line trick!

Turf Show Times editor, Mocking the Draft writer, and I gots that Twitter too, yo.
"my keyboard won't corporate, neighter will my smell check." - Knoxfan

by 3k on Jan 4, 2012 8:37 PM CST reply actions  

Good work by Hopkins to get that 1st down

jukes on jukes on jukes

Turf Show Times editor, Mocking the Draft writer, and I gots that Twitter too, yo.
"my keyboard won't corporate, neighter will my smell check." - Knoxfan

by 3k on Jan 4, 2012 8:38 PM CST reply actions  

Tajh is starting to really look the part

of a legit prospect

Turf Show Times editor, Mocking the Draft writer, and I gots that Twitter too, yo.
"my keyboard won't corporate, neighter will my smell check." - Knoxfan

by 3k on Jan 4, 2012 8:42 PM CST reply actions  

LOL NO FUCKING WAY! HAHAHAHAH

"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.

by douchiedude on Jan 4, 2012 8:44 PM CST reply actions  

WTF?!?!?!

That might have been the smoothest strip of all time…

Turf Show Times editor, Mocking the Draft writer, and I gots that Twitter too, yo.
"my keyboard won't corporate, neighter will my smell check." - Knoxfan

by 3k on Jan 4, 2012 8:44 PM CST reply actions  

Only one Tiger even saw it and began running right away. Damn that was awesome.

"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.

by douchiedude on Jan 4, 2012 8:45 PM CST up reply actions  

douchie

see what I mean about McCartney being worked underneath? It’s too obvious. Clemson knows he’s working 4-8 every time. Austin, Bailey all over.

Turf Show Times editor, Mocking the Draft writer, and I gots that Twitter too, yo.
"my keyboard won't corporate, neighter will my smell check." - Knoxfan

by 3k on Jan 4, 2012 9:01 PM CST reply actions  

Ahh,

I’ll pay attention to that on their next possession. He’s more like a quick slant catch can’t of guy?

"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.

by douchiedude on Jan 4, 2012 9:11 PM CST up reply actions  

kind of guy*

"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.

by douchiedude on Jan 4, 2012 9:12 PM CST up reply actions  

well that's what they use him as

and I’d like to see him work deeper, but there’s no need for them to change anything when your offense is working this well. Just as a prospect, I’d like to see him asked to do more

Turf Show Times editor, Mocking the Draft writer, and I gots that Twitter too, yo.
"my keyboard won't corporate, neighter will my smell check." - Knoxfan

by 3k on Jan 4, 2012 9:16 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah true lol. 42 in one half,

don’t change anything.

"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.

by douchiedude on Jan 4, 2012 9:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Damn, this is crazy.
WVU got manhandled all year but every Big East team in top 40 (3 in top 10) in TFL. DL way underrated in Big East this year

"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.

by douchiedude on Jan 4, 2012 9:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Mountaineers absolutely dominating.

They look legit today. Think they’ll be really good next year if Austin returns.

"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.

by douchiedude on Jan 4, 2012 9:15 PM CST reply actions  

with Holgorsen there

he’ll make sure they score at least 30 points per game average for the year. They did put up 21 on LSU…

Turf Show Times editor, Mocking the Draft writer, and I gots that Twitter too, yo.
"my keyboard won't corporate, neighter will my smell check." - Knoxfan

by 3k on Jan 4, 2012 9:17 PM CST up reply actions  

And over 500 yards.

They really did look somewhat impressive against LSU. It was actually a game for awhile too.

"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.

by douchiedude on Jan 4, 2012 9:21 PM CST up reply actions  

oooooooh shit

Look at the Saints trollin the Lions…

Turf Show Times editor, Mocking the Draft writer, and I gots that Twitter too, yo.
"my keyboard won't corporate, neighter will my smell check." - Knoxfan

by 3k on Jan 4, 2012 9:20 PM CST reply actions  

That is just awesome hahah.

"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.

by douchiedude on Jan 4, 2012 9:21 PM CST up reply actions  

So I my prediction was

Clemson 51, WVU 47. Uhhhhhhh, no.

Turf Show Times editor, Mocking the Draft writer, and I gots that Twitter too, yo.
"my keyboard won't corporate, neighter will my smell check." - Knoxfan

by 3k on Jan 4, 2012 9:23 PM CST reply actions  

Hahah.

"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.

by douchiedude on Jan 4, 2012 9:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Jebus

35 points in one quarter……………unbelievable

Turf Show Times editor, Mocking the Draft writer, and I gots that Twitter too, yo.
"my keyboard won't corporate, neighter will my smell check." - Knoxfan

by 3k on Jan 4, 2012 9:25 PM CST reply actions  

What a throw.

"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.

by douchiedude on Jan 4, 2012 9:54 PM CST reply actions  

Fisher is in Denver right now with Kreonke

Some wacky man Softli follows is saying this news…..Da name…..Mike Silver….Idk

WE SUCK. THAT IS ALL.

by RAMSALLTHEWAY on Jan 4, 2012 11:49 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

Take him to an Avalanche/Nuggets game, Kroenke!!!!!

Put him to the owner’s box and get him a hooker!

Formerly JBaccSTL. Been losing sleep over Rams football since 1999.

by Joe Mazzi on Jan 4, 2012 11:58 PM CST up reply actions  

Silver covers the NFL for Yahoo! Sports.

I don’t even know what to make of this shit anymore. The question remains: DID STAN GIVE JEFF A HELICOPTER RIDE THROUGH THE ROCKIES?? STAY TUNED!

"Fac Fortia et Patere"

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