Stan Kroenke and the Forced Hand
First, there was the announcement that the Rams would play a game in London each of the next three seasons, followed by the subsequent reaction.
Then, Stan Kroenke's name was dropped as one of the "more than 10" bids for the Dodgers. Van, of course, went all smartypants on everyone laying out the details in fine form.
Lastly, we had some fun at the end of the week when the St. Louis Convention and Visitors Commission noted that the Rams' lease includes a clause that prevents them from playing any home games (outside of the preseason) away from the Edward Jones Dome. The Rams responded in kind:
Huh? Oh. Well that's nice, but no not really. Sorry.
Now while all that linkery has put St. Louisans (and forgive me if that's an incorrect demonym) on edge concerning the fate of their NFL franchise, the truth is that both sides have done pretty much what they had to. Neither has really had much wiggle room in their decisions, because there are only so many things each side can do to gain leverage against the other.
And while St. Louis-based Rams fans may bristle at the idea that Kroenke "had" to manufacture these not-so-subtle threats to head back to Cali, the reality is that it's a necessary play to force the hand of the CVC to come up with a comprehensive plan to create the kind of facility that generates revenue commensurate with other NFL franchises' homes.
As Patrick Rishe, Webster University sports economist and Forbes writer, told the P-D's Bryan Burwell this week:
From a pure business perspective, I'd say this is good business for him to play his cards the way he's playing his cards. I'd say 'job well done.' Someone asked me the other day if he had a moral obligation to St. Louis football fans. I said absolutely not. His moral obligation is to do what is best for the best financial return of the owners. And if I was him, I can't say I wouldn't be doing the same things he's doing.
Of course he can't. I'd be doing the same thing too. It's just smart business. And as painful as it is to admit, Kroenke's a smart owner who should care more about the bottom line than a certain subset of fans.
Ironically enough, it's another factor that's out of St. Louis' (and the Rams') control that could force both parties' hands.
If another team, primarily San Diego, Jacksonville, Minnesota or Oakland, commits to Los Angeles before the Rams have made any permanent decision, the CVC becomes a much more powerful entity in these discussions. And given the news out of Minneapolis and the uncertainty in San Diego, those are real possibilities...once LA actually puts shovels in the dirt.
These are uncomfortable times for Rams fans. That won't change very soon. But if there's any solace to be had, it's that neither party has had a real chance to do anything yet. And that means noone's screwed anything up.
Yay.
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your last paragraph
sums it up nicely.
This whole, “we’re playing in London..” “No you can’t because the lease says you can’t!” thing has me confused though.
Either this is a huge power play by Stan, or he has dipshits in his legal and scheduling department.
And judging by the past problems with Kroenke’s Nuggets and the WWE a few years back, what can we assume?
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"Hell was Mark Levoir even in camp? Who is Mark Levoir? Who am I? Wtf is going on?"
- Bralidore
If I were to take a guess, the fact that the CVC still owes a couple hundred mill on the current stadium
probably also violates the contract….if not, I am sure there is some part of the contract that the CVC is in violation of…which makes it difficult to enforce the other sides end of the bargain.
- And here's the Rams' 2010 season in a series. Incomplete pass, 18-yard run, incomplete pass, 7-yard run, 5-yard pass, 3-yard run, sack, incomplete pass, punt. Shoot me. - 3K
It's a power play
Even if it violates the lease, the Rams will still be able to play their games in London.
at the end of the day, its vital that the Rams build a winning team
If not I can imagine the CVC will have less of a need to or obligation to keep the Rams in STL. The revenue they generate will be significantly less if the years of bad results continue.
The LA flirtation will be less welcomed by Los Angelinos and it’d indicate that sellers of land or a stadium would not be as interested in the Rams coming in over a more winning team.
I think the real power play, be it for stadium negotiations, increased fanbase and selling marketable players to the media will be to have a team constantly in the playoffs and winning playoff games.
I hope with all my heart that all this business does not distract the ownership from ensuring a winning culture is ingrained and becomes synonymous with the Rams franchise.
With regards to my preference of LA or STL, mine lies with STL purely because the name sounds better.
As long as it stays the Rams and not ‘Angels’, ‘Crips’, ‘Bloods’, ‘Musclemen’, ‘Kush’, ‘Moviestars’ or anything more applicable to new location (be it LA with these examples) I will be a fan and continue to unwaveringly invest my energies (and a lil ‘jack’) into this team.
I’m a Rams fan. If that’s LA, STL, London or Timbuctoo I will remain a fan. Only way I lose my fandom is if the team is no longer the ‘Rams’.
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by Infemous on Jan 29, 2012 10:09 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Los Angeles Rams
It has a nice ring to it…it sounded good back then and it still sounds good now, if they di go back to LA there is no way they change the team name, they are one of the classic teams in the NFL and they had the best uniforms in the league here in LA
by LARams72 on Jan 29, 2012 10:17 AM CST via mobile reply actions
"These are uncomfortable times for Rams fans."
Not those of us fans, and there are millions of us who were fans of the LA Rams and continue to be fans of the STL Rams. We love the hope they may return home.
Go Rams!!!
I personaly am fine with whererever they are (except London as a new home), it's called Sunday Ticket
But, Sam and Blake Griffin grew up 4.6 miles from each other, and then went to OU at almost the same time, so it would be kinda funny if they ended up in LA together.
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by King Sam Rules! on Jan 29, 2012 10:36 AM CST via mobile reply actions
I grew up on the Los Angeles Rams, and would love to see them back in California - but ONLY if the support is going to be forthcoming...
If not, or it’s not as big as the St. Louis market, then let them stay where they currently reside.
If there is one team that should be in LA though, it’s the Rams. They have the true history there.
"Roses are red, violets are blue, sugar is sweet - I'm gonna break your face..." The Champ
It would be hard for the Rams to get less support in LA than they do in St. Louis.
I went to the Chiefs game here in 2010 with a friend, and we weren’t exactly the only Chiefs fans there.
A fun stat I found from that game was that it was the largest attendance the Rams had at home all season. But it was the smallest crowd the Chiefs played in front of all year.
by wustl_chiefs_fan on Jan 29, 2012 11:33 AM CST up reply actions
It's an in-state rivalry
we weren’t exactly the only Chiefs fans there.
What did you expect?
Wolf. Wolfgang Wolf
Believe me, I wasn't surprised.
But you think 40%+ of Arrowhead would be Rams fans if we played each other in KC in the regular season (it’s not fair to compare preseason)?
Well, here‘s a highlight tape of the last time that happened in 2002. They didn’t show many shots of the crowd, but of the fans they showed not wearing red, they all seemed to cheer for the Chiefs’ touchdowns, which means they were chiefs fans wearing dark jackets (the game was in December). And keep in mind that the Rams had just come off a Super Bowl appearance, while the Chiefs had just come off back-to-back losing seasons, so it’s not like we caught you at a bad time.
Point is, there is no way the Rams will get less support in LA than they do in St. Louis. The LA metro area is 5 times bigger than St. Louis, so it won’t take much for them to outperform St. Louis in terms of fan support.
And I don’t want to be mean about it, but the fact is that the Rams are the third team in a three team town, so you can’t rely on a strong fanbase to keep the Rams there. If the Browns could move, the Rams certainly can.
by wustl_chiefs_fan on Jan 29, 2012 6:24 PM CST up reply actions
So is Cards-Royals
…and it’s not as though half of the crowd at Busch Stadium is Royals fans during the I-70 series.
True
And if the Royals were rumored to be moving, I don’t think anybody would be arguing that they wouldn’t move because we other places wouldn’t be able to match our support.
But, at least with the Royals we’ve been more consistently bad than the Rams, yet we aren’t second to last in attendance in the MLB like the Rams are in the NFL. And don’t forget that KC is a bit smaller than St. Louis.
by wustl_chiefs_fan on Jan 30, 2012 10:19 AM CST up reply actions
L.A HAHA
Let them move, and L.A stadium will fill for about 2yrs maybe 3 tops. The tickets will be way over priced for common fan. It will be the hip place to be for the upper class. I’d love for them to stay in St.L & i think they will. Reason being you think the Raiders & Chargers would go for that. The Davis family and the Chargers oweners would go nuts if you let some new ower move to L.A . I dont see that going down . The CVC needs to turn over the dome to Stan and let them play a game a yr in london maybe switch it up every yr home away. Cause i will admit the Rams fan base here is lame a bunch of old people who call security if you stand and cheer lord forbid you spill a beer. No one can deny how bad the dome is and over half the fans in the place. It would be nice to chop the top off and freeze all snobs out of the lower level .All the people arent but most are and have no clue whats going on. Hey and give them some of the parking proceeds they leave the lots are empty & the dome is useless. ……GO RAMS TRADE THE PICK!
Can't cut the roof off
it’s part of the structural integrity sadly
Knowledge is knowing a tomato is a fruit; Wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad.
Radical renovations aren't the answer
The ultimate problem with the Ed is location. What Kronke ultimately want’s is a stadium with abundant parking and insure facilities that can be exploited for profits. Sadly the Ed in all reality can never be this… not without tearing down a lot of city.
I say cut off and or reroute Cole street and expand the North concourses to outfit a team store and sports bar/restaurant that can be used year round. Also pass a Parking tax on all downtown lots on gamedays to give Stan a chunk if that revenue. I believe some modest renovations that would generate some more revenue for the Rams to stay in the lease with a commitment to build a new stadium in a 20 year window.
Traitors and bolts can bitch about oakland and tijuana del norte all they want but
they have no say aboutm LA.
In my opinion the difference...
between the NFL live and in person compared to the NFL on TV is astronomical. I cringe whenever I hear those who clamor about how much better the experience of watching the game on TV is. Being at the game is way better. At least it is for someone who is actually a knowledgable fan of the game for what it is.
I’m a fan of the Rams because they represent my region and I can actually attend games. Take this away and what would I be routing for? Laundry? I’ve never been able to understand those that continue to route for a team that packed up and moved a thousand miles away. I’m not saying someone is wrong for doing this but I personally don’t get it. Sure when the Cards left I pulled for the players that I knew until they were gone but after that it was over. Of course it was real easy to gravitate to the Chiefs durring the late 80s so maybe that makes a difference. Also perhaps the longer you have the team the harder it is to let go.
My preference is that St Louis and the Rams to work this out. I think it’s best for everyone with the exception of those with the dream of the Rams returning to LA. It’s good for StL for obvious reasons. It’s good for the NFL because they need stability and assurance to their fans that their respective teams are staying put. It’s good for Stan because he has a supportive fanbase that given the slightest reason to hope will return in full force.
I’m hopeful in the end all parties involved will see the value that each brings to the table and a smart and progressive plan is worked out.
Why is the little guy (mainly us, the fans) gets it up the you-know-what in the End>
Get it? … up the you-know-what … in the End. Oh well, so much for my punny jokes. That’s why nobody knows me as a stand-up comic.
But seriously, it would be nice if for once the fan actually counted. I mean, to actually have a say in the matter that carried any weight. Kind of reminds me of ancient times when there were wars all over Europe between various kings and lords…the poor peasants were the ones who were the ones that suffered when it was all said and done.
Go Rams! (er, I mean Stay Rams!) Okay, so I’m still trying to crack a joke, so what!
"We can't run. We can't pass. We can't stop the run. We can't stop the pass. We can't kick. Other than that, we're just not a very good football team right now." --- Bruce Coslett, New York Jets Head Coach circa 1990s
3k, love the link on denomyn
Not gonna lie, I did click on it but I did have a general sense of the meaning of the word based around the context it was used in. College. It finally came into use.
Let me start this off by saying I live in St Louis...
But in the last 3 years I stopped going to Rams games. I love the Rams but absolutely hate the dome. Football should be played outdoors bottom line. Anyone who has ever played football (played for 12 years) knows this. I also think that everything is ridiculously overpriced for the product that is given on the field. I would much rather watch the game in the comfort of my own home.
Secondly I don’t understand why Stl Rams and LA Rams fans can’t get along. We both love the Rams. If we can get a new stadium built (almost positive that isn’t happening) then great, but I’m also not opposed to them going back to LA where they can have a brand new outdoor stadium and realistically make more money from sponsors. Its not that I don’t love going to sporting events (cards season ticket holder) but the dome is a piss poor environment. So worst case scenario is I have to continue to pay for NFL Sunday Ticket, which I pay for already due to my obsession with Fantasy Football. So while I feel for the PSL holders and fans who continuously go to games, I myself am happy either way. Go Rams!!!
by Rcoon1307 on Jan 29, 2012 2:38 PM CST via mobile reply actions
An example of the problem St Louis has
Too many fans like you.
Granted domes are an abomination but open air stadiums aren’t the end all be all to the game of football. You say quit going for the last three years. Well hello we actually were competitive in 2010 so the whole bad product argument is bull shit. Everything to do with pro sports is overpriced. That’s just part of the deal. I can understand fans that are having hard times not being able to afford to go and lord knows their are plenty of people in St Louis who this applies to but I find the reality is most people who use the overpriced argument really just have no passion for the sport or the team.
Also why in the hell should two groups in complete opposition get along. I mean granted we shouldn’t take things personal but for some of us it’s damn important where the team calls home. I expect both sides to be edgy until this situation is resolved.
Wow...change your tampon....
What I’m saying is that if st Louis wants the rams to stay here….they need to pay for it. Bottom line is the dome doesn’t get it done. And yes outdoor domes are way better. Atleast retractable roofs. Every football player will tell you that the most fun they’ve had playing football is in the elements. And just bc I choose to watch my team from my home doesn’t make me any worse of a fan than you dbag. I am a Rams fan. My father is a Arizona Cardinals fan. Why? Bc the Cardinals were his team in Stl. I never said I wanted them to leave. Just don’t expect a genius billionaire to spend his a billion of his own money to build a stadium here when they are getting ready to break ground in LA. If you wouldn’t root for the Rams in LA then your not a true fan.
by Rcoon1307 on Jan 29, 2012 8:20 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
It seems like Goodell
is holding the LA market for expansion until they can scare up another city to equal out the move. Meanwhile, he’ll keep the LA market open for teams to leverage, or extort cash from their current cities. I don’t think the Rams or any other team is going to move to the LA area.

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