Stan Kroenke, The Dodgers And The Future Of The Rams
Reports of Stan Kroenke's interest in the Los Angeles Dodgers first surfaced on Monday. A report in the LA Times said that the St. Louis Rams' owner was considering making a bid for the Dodgers franchise, up for sale as a nasty divorce sunk the fortunes of owner Frank McCourt. Now, a report is surfacing from the Daily Mail in the UK that says Kroenke did submit a bid for the Dodgers.
Kroenke's interest in the Dodgers has stoked the fires of the Rams potential to relocate, again (re-relocate?), to Los Angeles. Talk of the Rams future in St. Louis is already on uneasy ground with a Feb. 1 deadline looming for the city to make the Rams an offer to upgrade the Ed Jones Dome, making it a "top tier" facility and keeping the Rams from wiggling out of their lease in 2015.
The Dodgers, the Rams and Stan Kroenke ... how does it all fit together?
Speculation connecting the dots between Kroenke, the Dodgers, the Rams and LA is running pretty rampant right now, fueled mostly by mainstream media outlets ... the same ones that are often taking new media outlets to task for their lack of journalistic standards.
This report from Forbes says it's a done deal if Silent Stan gets the Dodgers, though they don't offer much in the way of supporting evidence. Ray Ratto used that Forbes report to same end.
Right now, the simplest explanation is that Kroenke sees the opportunity to purchase a high value sports franchise on the cheap, sort of cheap anyway since the price tag is likely to be $1.5 billion for the Dodgers. That's small compared to the potential for $20 billion or more in television rights over the next 20 years that the Dodgers could fetch their new owner.
Ownership Rules
What's making the connection so easy for some are NFL rules about cross-market ownership. These are the same rules that made Kroenke shift ownership of the Nuggets before he bought complete control of the Rams. If Kroenke were to buy the Dodgers and the NFL to relocate to LA, it would be a problem for him ... unless than franchise were the Rams.
Whether or not there are rules grandfathering in cross-market ownership, I don't know. Apparently, none of the other outlets speculating on the matter do either. I've asked the league's PR people for clarification on the matter.
There is another wrinkle not being considered in the rush to judgement. Kroenke might be looking to get in as part of an ownership group. A look at the bidders reveals most are investment groups, headlined by marquee names. Were Kroenke to be a partial owner of the Dodgers, the rules would apply differently as in the case of his Denver professional sports franchises when he was merely a 40 percent owner in the Rams.
Stadiums
Right now there are two stadium proposals in the LA market, the AEG downtown project and Ed Roski's bid in the City of Industry on the city's outskirts. Both projects have some distance to go before they're shovel-ready.
Stadium ownership is the golden goose in the NFL these days. Owning a facility means year-round cash, cash that is not subject to revenue sharing. The Rams have hinted at that in their talk of making a facility that the city and state can benefit from all year; it also sounded a lot like a soft ask for public money.
Kroenke, a real estate developer by day, understands that. Partnering up with AEG means he doesn't own the facility, not that he could make some nice money off it, but it's not the same as ownership. There have been intimations that Roski would cede his stadium in return for partial ownership of the team.
Owning the Dodgers could make it more interesting for Kroenke. Though it's a big stretch, a big one, Steve Dilbeck of the LA Times notes the potential for an NFL stadium, or combined facility, in Chavez Ravine, the current site of Dodger Stadium.
Networks
I mentioned the appeal of the Dodgers because of the value of their TV rights. MLB's broadcasting deal is far different than the NFL's in that it gives individual teams the opportunity to own their own broadcast rights.
Kroenke owns a sports network for his Denver enterprises, and the Rams have a fledgling one themselves, which is limited to their preseason games because of the national nature of the NFL's television deals. A sports network anchored by the Dodgers could be a very lucrative cash cow for whoever owns that team. Throw in a limited amount of content from an NFL team, including four preseason games, and there's even more cash for a sports network focused on the country's second largest market.
Look Before Leaping
There are lots of conclusions being drawn here by a paranoid public and the media more than willing to feed that paranoia. I've even read an AP report citing the fact that Kroenke owns a home in Malibu ... like every other rich guy in America.
Before any of these grand plans could come together, Kroenke would actually have to be the winning bidder for the Dodgers. He has some stiff competition in that race. A more likely scenario, if Kroenke were to actually get a piece of that blue pie, is being part of an ownership group, something likely needed to bring together $1.5 billion to make the purchase.
Next Wednesday is Feb. 1, the due date for the city and CVC to present a plan to the Rams for the Dome's future. Neither side is saying much about it right now, but much more will be known in less than a week. The way things are going right now, anything could happen.
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Kroenke buying the Dodgers would be bad news to St. Louis Rams fans and would potentially hurt any chance of him getting a new stadium there.
I find it hard to believe Stan would pony up $1.5 billion out of his own pocket for the Dodgers. He’s an insanely wealthy man, but even he would feel the pinch from that price tag. I’m hoping he doesn’t get the Dodgers not only from the St. Louis angle, but also from the angle that having so much money tied into one team might strain the budget for his other teams.
I don't know what I'd do if they moved.
Mixed signals: Fisher picks us, giving an idea that they won’t move; now the dodgers.
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by sergey606 on Jan 26, 2012 1:55 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Not for much longer
But I’m against every team in SF and LA, football, baseball, any sport.
Plus my gf has family in St. Louis and Springfield, so I actually have an excuse to there for a Rams game.
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I must be losing my edge
How could I not see you live in Alaska and a BEAVER FAN?
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Also, if Stan buys the Dodgers the NFL would put pressure on him to relocate the Rams back to LA.
Due to their cross-ownership rules, no other team would be able to relocate to LA other than the Rams if Stan owned the Dodgers. The NFL wants a team in that #2 market badly, hence the pressure would be on Kroenke to move his football team back there, re-sell the Dodgers, or the NFL would have to change the rules (which is highly unlikely). This is going to make the whole stadium issue one big mess in St. Louis.
Stan, the goal is to make it at least LOOK like you wanna stay… not the opposite.
Interesting ...
… maybe this is a ploy by Kroenke to get the NFL to pony up more for ‘his’ LA stadium
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Rams are coming back where they belong....
Things are starting to fall into place.
Bring the the Rams back to L.A.!
And you'll lose them soon after...again
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by sergey606 on Jan 26, 2012 2:07 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
It doesn't mean anything yet...
If anything, the Viking have a higher chance of moving there. They’re stadium lease expires next
Tuesday and their owner is extremely angry at the city with their new stadium proposals. And until LA finally breaks ground on a new stadium, no ones gonna want to commit to going there.
Get your facts straight...
The two stadium projects are very close to being ready to break ground but they stated they won’t do so until a team commits to moving to L.A.. I truly believe the Vikes will get their stadium deal done. The thing you need to worry about the fact that they want the tax payers in St. Louis to front 50 million to upgrade the Edward Jones Dome. I really don’t see that happening; especially in this economy.
Bring the the Rams back to L.A.!
You may want to look at San Diego's most recent comments on AEG. They reflect what the NFL has been saying for a while
A move to L.A. has been open to NFL teams for a long time. Why haven’t any of them bitten if the market is so attractive?
Look, I’m from CA. I have family there now (Mom, brother, sisters, nieces, nephews…) The state has soooo many financial problems right now. CA is losing jobs by the train load. The cost of living and taxes in CA, let alone L.A. are incredibly high.
What makes L.A. attractive is the best case scenario: A booming economy with a Huuuuge population base. They are so far from best case right now…
The biggest hurdle now seems to be the investment groups. They propose things, then back off when they can deliver.
Don’t get me wrong. I wish nothing but the best for my home state. But the teams they should be looking at right now are teams that already have a base in the state: Oakland and S.D.
I think....
There is a good chance the Chargers are one of the teams that comes to L.A. I sure hope it’s not the Raiders.
Bring the the Rams back to L.A.!
Move the niners to HELL where they belong and move the Rams to San Fran :)
Two things about me will never change. I will always root for the Rams, and I will always root against the Niners.
GM?? Anyone know anything about this guy?
Texans scout Mike Ackerley is reportedly emerging as a candidate for the Rams GM opening.
It’s a sure sign that Jeff Fisher has plenty of pull in the front office. Ackerley was formerly a scout with the Titans, and Fisher helped him interview for the GM job there back in 2007 when Floyd Reese was replaced.
via rotoworld.
I saw that on twitter
No idea anything about him
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by sergey606 on Jan 26, 2012 2:25 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Perhaps this is another leverage tactic he's going to use in regards to the CVC negotiations.
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by FailureDrill on Jan 26, 2012 2:30 PM CST via Android app reply actions
Should Stan buy the Dodgers?
As one of the most storied franchises in all of professional sports, if the opportunity arises to buy them it would be hard to resist. That said, it by no means effects the Rams staying in St. Louis or not. Just my opinion, but the L.A. market is rife with problems. The unemployment rate in Los Angeles County now stands at 13%
California is flat out broke. It is currently carrying $27.6 billion in debt, with another “unissued debt” of $23.2 billion.
The real estate market is still so over valued, and hampered by an incredible foreclosure rate, that any one in the real estate biz is incredibly wary.
California discretionary spending per person is is at the lowest point since the metric was created.
This is all to say that any purchase of the Dodgers is an ENORMOUS gamble, let alone putting your next highest valued asset ( St. Louis Rams) into the same market. There is absolutely no way a smart guy like Kroenke risks his enitire fortune on a play like this. If he buys the Dodgers, it will be to add to his portfolio and nothing more.
The biggest downside to his buying the Dodgers, as I see it, is that the onus for any new stadium in St. Louis will fall on the state of Missouri and the city. Cash will be short for Kroenke unless he enlists his extended Wal-Mart family. I just don’t see that happening.
TV Revenue
The Angels signed Pujols because of the new TV deal that Artie Moreno signed with Fox. The Lakers just surpassed the Knicks as the NBA franchise worth the most money because of their new TV deal. Selig and MLB nixed the deal that McCourt apparently had with Fox last year forcing McCourt to sell the team. There is considerable value in owning a team in a major market. I read that there are 12 groups that submitted bids to buy the Dodgers however.
The TV revenue is subjective at best at this point.
I agree that the TV revenue will be huge in the long run, and is no doubt the proverbial golden goose driving all the bids. But there are enormous problems and risks for Kroenke to merge his highest valued assets (The Rams and if he buys the Dodgers) into a suspect L.A. economy.
Could Kroenke use this lease bargaining session to re-do the lease for a shorter renew term? Instead of 10 year renew option, reduce to 5 years so he could take advantage of a recovered L.A. economy if it happens? That makes more sense than any scenario where Stan goes all in and moves the Rams now.
I would think Arsenal is his 'highest valued assest' as far as teams go at least.
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Here's something to consider...
All of what you’ve said about the finances of the state, city, county and real estate market is true; but how do any of those things factor into a decision to buy the Dodgers? There are a boatload of billionaire suitors and equity groups in line to buy the Dodgers and they surely know all of these things to be true and yet, they’ve not been swayed. Why? Two reasons, I suspect. (1) the much talked about TV deal that’s estimated at $20 Billion and (2) the Dodgers attract 3 million fans every year, with the exception of this past season when everyone boycotted McCourt. Also keep in mind that despite all of those financial issues, the city zealously supports 7 pro teams and 2 big-time college teams and would have no issues supporting one or even two more pro teams.
I think McCourt has made not just MLB flinch at the "Billionaire Resume", but the NFL too
It’s actually one of the things Kroenke has going for him in the bid to buy the Dodgers. He has the Sports franchise pedigree that I doubt many making bids do.
Finance has EVERYTHING to do with any professional franchise purchase. The economy in L.A. will be at the top of any owner’s concern list. The number of professional sports team, as well as the two college teams you mentioned is a double edged sword. The pie , and the discretionary spending needed to support them, is sliced thin compared to other Metro areas. I have no doubt the Dodgers will be a strong team financially again. I do doubt the FINANCIAL wisdom of investing what now is projected to be close to $3 BILLION on a NFL franchise move that will be starting almost at square one as far as a fan base.
One dark horse “move” candidate that is hardly mentioned is the Cincinnati Bengals. A friend, who have have cited before, says Mike Brown could be interested by a boat load of cash.
Mark Cuban
Cuban apparently is one of the bidders for the Dodgers.
he also bid for the cubs and lost
hope he wins this one
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He didn't lose
the agreement was reached but all the other owners didn’t approve the sale because they don’t like him
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Hire Ned Colletti for GM of the Rams
Hell, he keeps the Dodgers competitive with McCourt’s limited resources and he probably has a better eye for football talent than Spags.
Rumor is Spags was seen having lunch with Kevin Dockery and Ben Leber yesterday.
The Rams couldn’t go any lower…until today.
by lnickerson88 on Jan 30, 2012 8:22 PM CST up reply actions
Portland Rams anyone?
I’d go to so many games if they moved to OR…but I’m pretty sure that’ll never happen, surprised the Blazers lasted this long. Hell the Portland Beavers even moved :(
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So wait...
Stan CANNOT own the Nuggets and the Rams because of cross-ownership rules but CAN own the Dodgers and the Rams if they are in the same city?
Cross-ownership is allowed
only if the NFL owner’s other franchises are in the same city or a neutral market.
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GO RAMS !!!
Or if Daddy
puts the other team in his Sons name. Cross ownership rule= crock of $hiitt.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xaxEtR0chhA (3min. 8 sec)
Same city isn't cross ownership you see
not cross sports, cross cities with other NFL teams
Knowledge is knowing a tomato is a fruit; Wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad.
Kronke likes collecting sports franchises
I’m not sure there is anything else to this.
We won’t know Stan’s intentions until he gets what he wants or doesn’t and moves.
My opinion is he’d just as soon avoid the hassle of moving as long as he get’s a deal that ensures him the Rams will generate a competitive level of profit. This would seem to be very doable in St Louis provided there is at least some level of community support.
LA has been an “attractive” option for NFL owners for over ten years yet as of this date none have moved. That kind of makes me think it’s not all that it’s nit as “attractive” as it’s been hyped up to be.
I’ll be real interested in what gets proposed on the 1st.
Kroenke's cash
You wonder if Kroenke would have his vast resources spread too thin if he bought the Dodgers but he just opened up the vault to sign Fisher and the coaching staff. He just resigned Danilo Gallinari of the Denver Nuggets for $42 million over 4 years. He tried to lock up Carmelo Anthony for multi-years but had to trade him because Anthony wouldn’t sign. It is nice to have ownership with cash but probably equally as important to know how to manage the cap in the NFL.
The biggest mistake many of you are
making is actually thinking Kroenke gives a rip about what Rams fans think. Sure, he will avoid major public statement gaffes but when you enter the “billionaire” level of net worth and transactions you are void of emotion and feelings. Kroenke and his advisors already know the “end game” of what he is getting into with the Dodgers and LA Rams.
There are two major factors that most of you are missing with Kroenke’s prospective interest in the Dodgers. 1) Although owning the Dodgers would be nice, what Mr. Kroenke is likely really after is the “land” surrounding Dodger Stadium that is owned by Frank McCourt. That could be the real bonanza assuming he requires McCourt to sell both the Dodgers and the surrounding property. You see, some of the bidders will fall by the wayside when the topic of “surrounding property” surfaces in the discussion. They simply won’t have the capital to handle both transactions and you certainly don’t want to own the Dodgers with crackpot McCourt owning all the surrounding property. 2) Several articles that I have read from people close to the Dodgers deal are certain there will be “partnerships” formed from the prospective bidders. So in all likelihood, you will see the winning bidder be a combination of "interests such as Kroenke and Cuban or Fred Claire and O’Malley, Disney and Torre, etc. etc. He can easily be part of the transaction with his $$ and continue to pursue his LA Rams or St. Louis Rams interests. The LA deal is a multi-billion $$ venture as compared to the Rams which is a multi-hundred million dollar ownership consideration. They are light years apart from Stan’s perspective.
Douglas, I think you are really over-analyzing the pros and cons of buying a sports franchise in LA. I grew up there and spend most of my life in Cali and can say that despite all of the macro problems with the State at large, they really have no bearing on the value of a professional sports team in LA. Case in point, the Lakers were just valued today as the most valuable team in the NBA. How does that happen if the team is heading south and the economy is in such a mess? The answer is easy…….LA sports are insulated from bad economics unless your name is the Raiders are your trying to profit from a move to Los Angeles.
by RamTeaPartier on Jan 26, 2012 8:58 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
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