Done Deal - Brian Schottenheimer Hired as Rams' New OC
by 3k on Jan 21, 2012 12:26 PM CST
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PrintWell, the hints and speculation of a few hours ago are no longer - per just about anybody talking about the Rams today, they've hired Brian Schottenheimer to head the offense for the Rams in 2012.
Interestingly enough, in that last link:
According to league sources, it was a close call between Schottenheimer and Hue Jackson.
Take that for what it's worth, Hue fans.
Nevertheless, a team that saw most of its leadership blown up at the hands of "Silent Ninja Assassin Sniper Guy" Stan Kroenke now has a head coach in place with both coordinators on board. Fisher still has a couple spots to fill out on the sidelines, including a QB coach; maybe of more importance is the search for a new general manager, which Tony Softli, member of the Missouri Mustache Mafia, ssaid earlier today will intensify after next week.
And while Van posted a similar poll this week, I figured it'd be useful to revisit to see if attitude's toward Sawed-Off Shotty™ have changed.
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Wait, did he?
Beating off the dog is never appropriate when we have company over...... I mean EVER!
by sergey606 on Jan 21, 2012 12:35 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Oppenheimer, Schottenheimer
Turf Show Times editor, Mocking the Draft writer, and I gots that Twitter too, yo.
"my keyboard won't corporate, neighter will my smell check." - Knoxfan
by 3k on Jan 21, 2012 12:50 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Same guy, just changed his name
Almost positive
Beating off the dog is never appropriate when we have company over...... I mean EVER!
by sergey606 on Jan 21, 2012 1:30 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Great.
Well, here’s to him proving virtually every Jets fan wrong.
"Fac Fortia et Patere"
by FailureDrill on Jan 21, 2012 12:36 PM CST via Android app reply actions
i'm with you
But boy this hire stinks.
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by Infemous on Jan 21, 2012 1:02 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Hip-check reaction is definitely "Aw shit".
But at the end of the day, I truly believe in our head coach, and if he thinks this is a good hire then I’m with him.
Besides, looking at Hue Jackson’s coaching stints, it didn’t give me a whole lot of faith that he’d be around very long.
"Fac Fortia et Patere"
by FailureDrill on Jan 21, 2012 1:20 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
wish i had that faith in Fisher
And yeah, Hue bounced around a lot, so stability with BS is probable, except he has been rumoured as a HC for some time, so he could be gone in a year too…
I’m gonna get around to supporting BS when football starts, same as I did with McD, but until then I’m gonna have to be a slightly polarising figure and call out any ignorance I see.
I’m apologising in advance.
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by Infemous on Jan 21, 2012 1:29 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Cant vote cause of the phone
But from what I’ve heard about him, I hate it..
Bradford + Blackmon = Secondaries Beware
by RG31 on Jan 21, 2012 12:37 PM CST via mobile reply actions
well last year
almost everyone loved the McDaniels hiring and he turned out horribly so now that most people dont like this hiring hopefully it turns out well?
Interesting…
Thats true
However, I am hoping that Clemens can help Sam learn it quickly so he gets used to the system. Also Fisher can hopefully keep Schotty in check and have more of a fisher style offense instead of a Schotty one.
you're assuming he has a 'system'
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by Infemous on Jan 21, 2012 1:00 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
From what I have read about him
he doesn’t have a true system but I much rather have Sam learning the playbook and the terminology now and get started right away. I trust that Fisher is not planning on doing something that will hurt Sam and considering he and Sam talked about how the new system would fit Sam, I trust that this must have been more towards the idea of what Sam wanted.
I don't know much about the guy, but i've heard his offense is kind of complicated
and I would have preferred a more simplified approach after the McDaniels fiasco that imploded the team.
Spags
was more to blame I believe for the implosion than McyD. He held yhe reins on Shurmur’s offense and he did the same thing to Josh’s. That’s one thing I like about Fisher is he is the kind of coach that will let his coordinators make the calls they’re paid for.
They will notice and they will giggle.
by papapegasus on Jan 21, 2012 2:12 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
I believe every coach deserves a second chance....
And I know Jets fans hate him…but I think Jets fans hate everyone, including themselves lol. If Fisher thinks he’s the best man….then I will give him a chance. Hopefully it works out
by Rcoon1307 on Jan 21, 2012 12:45 PM CST via mobile reply actions
the system didn't work in NY because they got Sanchez and well
i’d say he sucks but i think he’d rather swallow!
The only thing comparable to a Rams win is a 49er loss!
Sanchez and Schottenheimer
I think that a lot of the Jets fans reactions are based on the fact that they thought that they were going to the Superbowl and yet didn’t make the playoffs. Would you be happy with Bradford throwing and running for 32 TDs next year? This is how many TDs that Sanchez scored this year. Bradford should prove to be better than Sanchez but at this point he isn’t as good.
I would have preferred Hue Jackson but the Rams offense would have improved with anybody as OC.
Hopefully the Rams select decent positions coaches especially on the O line and QB coach.
I would have gone along with either one of them.
They both are accomplished offensive coaches. Now I’m getting anxious to find out who the QB coach will be. This is starting to be fun again.
Go Rams!
"We can't run. We can't pass. We can't stop the run. We can't stop the pass. We can't kick. Other than that, we're just not a very good football team right now." --- Bruce Coslett, New York Jets Head Coach circa 1990s
Im ok with this
The reason is because we have (and are in a good position be able to add more) a lot of the components to make this a much better offense than what we’ve had in the recent past. We have the QB, RB, BLloyd, Danny, and a few other pieces in place already and we all know what else we need. He specialized in a ground and pound approach, and unless i’ve missed something so have we. The tried to tailor their offense towards Sanchez and unless I’ve missed something, Sam is waay better than him. The Jets offense averaged around 25 points a game during his tenure their and our offense…….need i say more? I say give him a chance to before we get bent outta shape.
FIRE FISHER
Most fuckin retarded hire I’ve ever had the displeasure of seeing.
What has this guy done that’d make him a better candidate than Hue?
He’s worked on loaded teams and still under performed.
If he can’t work an offense to suit the strengths of people like Santonio Holmes what makes anyone in their right mind think this dude would know how to make an offense work with considerably lesser talent?
Makes me question Fisher’s ability even more. He could have redeemed himself in my eyes by taking longer and hiring Hue or pretty much anyone else.
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by Infemous on Jan 21, 2012 1:00 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Well, sorta
I would never have hired Fisher in the first place, and this hire, in my eyes, gives the distinct impression he didn’t learn a single thing in his year off.
So yeah, the headline is hyperbolic (got your attention tho :P haha) but the points made and the general notion of impending doom are unfortunately founded in knowledge. I hope I’m wrong, but I hoped I was wrong about McD and we all know how right I was about that haha
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by Infemous on Jan 21, 2012 1:20 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Your posts make me think you might be bi polar! Haha
I know no ones excited about BS….but we have to put faith in Fisher…not saying it will work out but there is a big difference between Spags/McDaniels and Fisher/Schoettenheimer. Spags literally ignored offense. Fisher won’t do that. And he will make BS run the ball and not get into these cutesy trick plays
by Rcoon1307 on Jan 21, 2012 1:58 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Funny how we said Spags was too controlling
And now he conveniently gave McD too much leeway?
This ultimately shouldn’t be a discussion. The HC should hire an OC good enough he needn’t be overbearing with regards to playcalls… That he could trust his OC and the offense would still be consistently good.
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by Infemous on Jan 21, 2012 3:16 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I'm not sure you understand the term "head coach".
It means overseer of the team. As in offense, defense, and special teams
by Rcoon1307 on Jan 21, 2012 5:53 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
overseer - yes
But that does not mean they should have to directly conduct offensive or defensive playcalls because the OC doesn’t have a clue.
Does anyone remember hiring McD? First people said that Spags would have to let McD run his offense his way, be aggressive over conservative like we were with shurmer, then as the playcalls got retarded we begged for control from Spags to make it better.
Now what are people’s preference?
Because you can’t have it both ways.
My preference is getting an OC who the HC can trust to make good playcalls every game, although I’d much rather an offensive HC who called plays himself.
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by Infemous on Jan 22, 2012 6:40 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I agree...way overreacted.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion but give me a break this was off the wall.
Go Rams!
"We can't run. We can't pass. We can't stop the run. We can't stop the pass. We can't kick. Other than that, we're just not a very good football team right now." --- Bruce Coslett, New York Jets Head Coach circa 1990s
ignore the headline
Which is totally unfeasible and tell me what else was an overreaction?
I’m with you tho, GO RAMS!!
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by Infemous on Jan 21, 2012 1:41 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Brian
had to work with Sanchez. Sanchez is a lesser than bright QB who survived in the NFL because of the personnel around him and superb Head Coaching. Sanchez blows IMO. Brian will excel with Bradford who is a more cerebral QB.
They will notice and they will giggle.
by papapegasus on Jan 21, 2012 2:15 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
if Sanchez is so bad
Why didn’t they just keep on handing the ball off instead of putting the game in his hands?
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by Infemous on Jan 21, 2012 3:18 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Cause that's what you do with your #1 draft pick.
See Sam Bradfords rookie year. The Jets have been in the hot seat ever since they drafted Sanchez as an unproven commodity out of USC. Yeah he was better than Sam statistically last year. He has weapons and an offensive line that Sam would die for.
They will notice and they will giggle.
But lesser RBs and he doesnt have that great of recievers
yes they are better than the Rams but Holmes is ME first and quit in week 3 (just look at tomlinson’s interview)
if you're on the hot seat, you do what helps you win
If your QB is your weak link and your run game is strong, you run the ball. You don’t abandon the run when you’re gashing the opponents and let your QB get killed and hold the offense back.
You’d hope that an OC would know his players’ strengths and do his best to win regardless of external pressures.
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by Infemous on Jan 22, 2012 6:43 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
wow
you’re right!
They will notice and they will giggle.
by papapegasus on Jan 22, 2012 11:12 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
haha! i know right?
So you seeing why BS is such a dreadful hire now?
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by Infemous on Jan 22, 2012 1:29 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
That's funny Infemous!
It’s your opinion, thanks for sharing. Next time don’t pull any punches.
by RamsFan1979 on Jan 22, 2012 12:05 AM CST up reply actions
haha! i won't! promise!
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by Infemous on Jan 22, 2012 6:44 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Fisher knows what he is doing!
Most likely, none of us have the credentials or the experience to make the right decision as a HC on picking an OC. Does Fisher? YUP. Does he know how to win and be successful? YUP. There is a reason Fisher hired Schottenheimer instead of Jackson for reasons beyond our understanding…. Fisher knows how to make the right decisions and get the right coaches… He also had great options. So if he chose one over the other, then I’m glad.
Blind faith is what got us into this mess
You need to understand that Fisher is not the best coach in the league, nor one of the top 5, and it is not in our interests as fans to blindly support and trust entirely a guy who has been entirely average his entire career.
If this was Belicheck we’d have grounds to trust him, but Jeff Fisher is a coach who has let the league pass him by and he is demonstrating very poor insight into what is beneficial for the team.
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by Infemous on Jan 21, 2012 1:27 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
and other then inexperianced OC which got the Rams in this mess to start with who other
then Fisher was available and I’m talking realistically……….
by Freewheeler2 on Jan 21, 2012 1:39 PM CST up reply actions
we had our pick of up and comers to hire
And I’m pretty sure had we hired someone like Chud, no one would be investing this sort of blind faith in him the way we are Fisher.
What is unfortunate is that people place too much emphasis on ‘experience’ as being a good thing.
McDaniels is an experienced coach in this league and it doesn’t make him any good.
Realistically we had the chance to hire almost anyone available, but our ownership had decided from the firing of Spags onward that Fisher was the guy.
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by Infemous on Jan 21, 2012 1:44 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
all im trying to say is
Is that we should be informed and hold Fisher accountable.
We have been abused by horrible teams for too long and its our duty to not allow it to happen any longer.
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by Infemous on Jan 21, 2012 1:46 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
How has he let the league pass him by? That's just a uneducated statement
He was out for ONE year. And it’s not like he never threw the ball. His titans were in the top ten is all passing categories from 99-2005. Stop being ridiculous
by Rcoon1307 on Jan 21, 2012 2:12 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
he let the league pass him by before he took a year off...
As in, he was archaic as fuck back in 2005.
Its evidenced by his 2 winning seasons in his past 8 years.
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by Infemous on Jan 21, 2012 3:24 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
That might have alot to do with....
Bud Adams being a cheap ass and they had to let all there veterans (some pro bowlers) twice because bud refused to pay them. Oh, and on top of that, Vince Young was forced down Fishers throat and he is a complete waste of life so quit putting all this on Fisher. I bet when we are winning you will shut the fuck up hater
by Rcoon1307 on Jan 21, 2012 5:40 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
wow, no need for such hostility.
Infemous, like everyone on this site, is entitled to their opinion. Learn to be more constructive in a more positive manner next time.
by RamsFan1979 on Jan 22, 2012 12:10 AM CST up reply actions
a good coach works with what they've got
And in fact Fisher kept a lot of veterans to the detriment of the team.
Saying the VY mess excuses how Fisher was absolutely awful in the past 8 years is saying that Spags’ extenuating circumstances (injuries, lockout etc.) Mean his poor W/L record is excused.
No double standards and hold coaches accountable.
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by Infemous on Jan 22, 2012 6:48 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I was all about Hiring Hue but...
I am ok with this. I still would have preferred Hue but the one problem I saw in Hue was that he would bolt for the first HC job offered to him, then Bradford would be in his fourth offense in 4 years. Atleast Shotty should be around for a few years and give Bradford some stability.
I'd like to ask a genuine question
What has Brian Schottenheimer ever done that’d suggest he’d be good for us?
If anyone can actually answer this, beyond blind faith or hoping for the best, I’d really appreciate it, because I’ve tried and well.. My opinion hasn’t changed a bit.
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by Infemous on Jan 21, 2012 1:22 PM CST via mobile reply actions
If i could i would
However, until a journo can ask him that question I’ve got to ask my ram brethren who support the hire.
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by Infemous on Jan 21, 2012 1:35 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I guess you could try tweeting him on his twitter page.
By the way, are you an NFL coach or connected in anyway with the NFL in a professional way?
Just thought I’d ask. ;-) lol
"We can't run. We can't pass. We can't stop the run. We can't stop the pass. We can't kick. Other than that, we're just not a very good football team right now." --- Bruce Coslett, New York Jets Head Coach circa 1990s
Jeff Fisher has a twitter???
No, I have little to no experience at all, just like 90% of fans.
Do you?
Does it matter?
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by Infemous on Jan 21, 2012 1:48 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
in total agreement
The nepotism in this league is frankly horrendous and BS is the poster child of it in my opinion.
Fisher was accused of creating a good ol boy’s club in TEN and it seems he’s doing the same here…
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by Infemous on Jan 21, 2012 1:34 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
like i posted above,
the difference between Sam and Sanchez is night and day. Sam can execute the offense with a Head Coach that is willing to take the muzzle off.
They will notice and they will giggle.
by papapegasus on Jan 21, 2012 2:19 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
statistically Sanchez was better than Sam last year
Yet we still maintain Sam is better…
Interesting comparison: Sam was best running the no huddle, avoiding McD’s poor playcalls and running a fast tempo attack… Likewise with Sanchez but replace McD with BS.
Sam is wayyy more talented than Sanchez, but he was a warrior to survive the same sort of QB killing playcalls Sam was unable to survive last year, his poor play has a direct correlation to the poor job BS did, likewise with Sam’s due to McD.
You can’t say just because Sam is more talented than Sanchez the system will be better, because you’d be ignoring something rather key in the equation… The supporting cast.
BS not only mismanaged Sanchez, but he also mismanaged a much more talented OLine, star WRs, legit RB corps (deep), and very talented TEs.
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by Infemous on Jan 21, 2012 3:06 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Roger that
with the mismanagement. Again though, just like Spags holding down Shurmur and McyD, I think the management of the game, i.e. Putting the ball in Sanchez’s hand more often, was undue influence from the Head Coach and ownership. In such a high profile market as New York the team is under even more pressure to win. The Jets have made Sanchez the face of the franchise and by proxy forced the hand of BS to throw the ball more.
They will notice and they will giggle.
Thats dumb
If they are under more pressure to win, which they are, they would call the plays necessary to win the damn game.
Agreed.
You would think they would call the plays to win. Much like calling 3 pass plays in a row from the 1 yard line with a RB like Steven Jackson in your stable.
They will notice and they will giggle.
by papapegasus on Jan 22, 2012 11:16 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
most accusations of Rex Ryan's poor coaching
Stem from peoples’ belief he was TOO hands off with regards to managing the offense. That he allowed BS to mismanage their franchise QB and that all star offense.
Also, what’s more likely: an ownership who’d interfere in playcalls to expose their QB to a beating and lose revenue by not getting to the playoffs
OR
BS is a clueless moron as evidenced by his time in SD aswell as with Pennington and Favre… Not just Sanchez
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by Infemous on Jan 22, 2012 6:55 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Red zone infemous
The jets were first in the nfl in red zone scoring. !st 1st 1st and something like 24 in total offense. Again 1st in red zone scoring. Rams were what last or close enough to last for me. Fix a couple missing pieces and we’re good.
I agree we will be better...
But Rex Ryan brought in Tom Moore to work Redzone offense last year. That’s why they were number 1.
by Rcoon1307 on Jan 21, 2012 2:50 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
couple of answers
This was only after the hiring of a co-OC who was hired to fix BS’ poor RZ playcalling, check how he did with Pennington etc.
You’ve got to also consider personnel. More RZ targets (Burress, Holmes, Keller) aswell as an OLine that could make a HB dive work.
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by Infemous on Jan 21, 2012 3:00 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
The change in our red zone effectiveness wasn't due to Schotty
It was due to us bringing in Tom Moore as an offensive consultant. That was why he was brought in.
"I just build our guys up. If it's trash talking that I believe in our football team, then, yes, I agree with that statement. I'm the biggest trash talker there is." Rex Ryan
by OldJetsFanatic on Jan 22, 2012 12:47 AM CST up reply actions
Im gunna have to put my faith in Big Fish
until he gives me a reason not to. He’s earned that right, i believe.
Well since us, the fans, don't make such huge personnel decisions
We have to have faith. If you don’t like it, guess you’ll have to buy the rams
Beating off the dog is never appropriate when we have company over...... I mean EVER!
by sergey606 on Jan 21, 2012 1:32 PM CST via mobile reply actions
I'm willing to give him a chance does that mean I think he'll succeed nope but it also
doesn’t I think he’ll fail either but I do think he deserves a chance.
As TST is developing into a more and more reputable, if not the most reputable, source of Ram discussion
Is there any way ya’ll could swindle an interview with Fish, BS and/or Gregg Williams?
Or even better an open Q&A with them?
It is my belief that they each have to prove themselves as the people for the job and hope they do too, and as such are open to doing so by conducting an open and honest discourse with the fans?
Can ya’ll do that TST guys?
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by Infemous on Jan 21, 2012 1:38 PM CST via mobile reply actions
I doubt a coach would do that for a blog.
Do they even do QandA? I haven’t seen any yet.
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by Tevin Broner on Jan 21, 2012 1:58 PM CST up reply actions
I guarantee you that Ryan and 3k are already thinking of how to get these interviews:and more
TST has a great rep with Demoff. If he’s appointed Kroenke’s new team President, I think we’ll see some great interviews coming our way.
As to the Schottenheimer hire: Since it’s a done deal, let’s all find a happy place and wait to see if it works out
here's to that!
Would love to see what you guys could manage with regards to the open discourse with management and even players!
About the hire, I see what you mean, but I feel its important to openly discuss the collective wisdom of management. We have been too placid for too long as a fanbase and need to hold people accountable the same way we hope the new regime hold the players…
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by Infemous on Jan 21, 2012 2:40 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Totally agree that we shouldn't blindly accept without voicing an opinion
We also need the St. Louis media to hold Fisher to the fire each week. The milk and cookies press conferences during Spags time here did no one any good
agreed entirely!
I think its TST’s opportunity to blaze a trail!
In order to be a big team we need to think big and as such put the same scrutiny we see NY, Dallas etc. Media put on their respective teams.
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by Infemous on Jan 21, 2012 3:32 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Fisher knows more about football turn rex, us, or the jets fans
Imo..sanchez sucks and rex was so defensive minded that he didn’t know how to control shotty.give fisher a chance
by Ram_Redemption on Jan 21, 2012 1:40 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Amen, brother!
"We can't run. We can't pass. We can't stop the run. We can't stop the pass. We can't kick. Other than that, we're just not a very good football team right now." --- Bruce Coslett, New York Jets Head Coach circa 1990s
Fuck off
Beating off the dog is never appropriate when we have company over...... I mean EVER!
by sergey606 on Jan 21, 2012 1:47 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Haha I saw that coming..
Bradford + Blackmon = Secondaries Beware
by RG31 on Jan 21, 2012 1:47 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
fewer home games
this will possibly increase attendence by making fewer chances available and may make the stadium more alive by having more people there as the rams hate to say sort of rebuild or better retool the team
Everyone listen to me!
This troll gets hungrier the more we feed him. He will eat TST if we doubt starve him to death. PLEASE IGNORE HIM
by Ram_Redemption on Jan 21, 2012 1:48 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
LMFAO....
the cancer is back!!!! Just when things started to look up :(
Sounds weird but
Something tells me he is over 40 for done reason lol
by Ram_Redemption on Jan 21, 2012 1:56 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Saw this, the more teams interested, the more we can get for it....
According to ESPN’s Adam Schefter, “a handful of NFL scouts” prefer Baylor QB Robert Griffin III to presumptive No. 1 overall pick Stanford QB Andrew Luck.
ESPN draft guru Mel Kiper recently insisted there was no chance Griffin could overtake Luck as this year’s most coveted prospect, but it’s clear there’s going to be huge interest in the 2011 Heisman Trophy winner. It is more likely than not someone acquires the Rams’ No. 2 overall pick to select RGIII.
I really hope the Rams end up trading this selection, if Fisher and the GM are smart about this they could end up with alot of key pieces for the future via the draft.
The absolute only way we don't trade down
Is if fisher wants kalil that bad or teams don’t bite.this us why fisher chose us imo
by Ram_Redemption on Jan 21, 2012 1:50 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Reminds me of Stafford and Sanchez
I am with Kiper in not buying this talk anyone would take Griffin over Luck, however, if Luck was not in this draft Griffin would easily be top QB.
I think come draft day Luck will go number 1 regardless of who picks there (Colts saying they’ll take him could be power play for a huge ass trade). And this Griffin hype, while deserved, is what we always see around draft time. Its based on little imo.
I’m with you bout trading tho. If we can’t engineer a trade I’d be quite worried. I’d take a 1st this year and next year and then anything else on top (hopefully a 2nd this year) will be a bonus. I want us to regain that long term vision of building deep perennial championship teams that was the aim of Spags and Devaney before they fucked it up trying to win now. Hopefully the stability of this Fisher hire will allow us to stick to a particular drafting ethos.
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by Infemous on Jan 21, 2012 1:55 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
If I was a GM (or HC) I would rather have Griffin than Luck...
Luck seemed like just a game manager this year where Griffin was the whole offense. Griffin did more than Luck and with less talent around him. Luck didnt produce the way a number 1 pick should in his two big games this year (Oregon and Ok. St.).
You're a braver man than i and many others
I think Luck’s ceiling is limited and he is overhyped, but he’s still a fantastic prospect, and what is a decider for me is purely durability over RGIII.
I think Luck’s frame is more NFL durable and his transition will be easier.
Luck is a safer bet, with less upside than RGIII, but RGIII has more of a propensity to fully bust (through injury)
Luck could just be disappointing.. He’s basically a stronger more athletic Matt Ryan to me.
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by Infemous on Jan 21, 2012 2:31 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I do agree with that...
I think Luck is the safer bet, but if RG3 lives up to his full potential watch out NFL. I think he is a better prospect than Cam Newton as a QB. He isnt as electric as Cam but a Much better passer imo.
agreed!
If you could get RGIII’s arm and accuracy and demeanour on Cam’s frame you’d have the perfect QB.
Cam is pretty damn impressive as a prospect though, and has proven it in the pros. It’ll be interesting to see if RGIII can transition aswell as Cam did, and I can only hope an organisation invests in him as their guy equally as well Carolina did.
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by Infemous on Jan 21, 2012 2:46 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
My only problem with RGIII is his physical size...
His legs don’t look up to taking an NFL pounding, and his height may work against him, though I think Brees is the same height?
hes a bit taller
But it will be an issue no doubt.
The thinness is my main concern too.
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by Infemous on Jan 21, 2012 4:10 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Cam proved me wrong this year...
I thought he had bust all over him but he turned out to be the next rising star. Cam was a much better passer than I thought he would be and he can run better than some starting RB’s. RG3 has a better arm and accuracy but is a smaller guy. If a team invests in RG3 they way Carolina did and focus more on RG3’s strengths (staying in the pocket and passing) and can keep him off the ground he will make big plays passing and running when necessary. I just hope RG3 goes to a team like Miami,Washington,or Cleveland. They all seem to have some pieces in place to build towards the future and if they can keep him healthy, RG3 can be their Franchise QB.
i think Washington is the best fit
But they need to invest in him as you said. The way they treated Jason Campbell was atrociously disgusting and tinged with racial undertones… IMO
Hopefully Cam’s success will help eradicate the the archaic assumptions and labels attached to black QBs…
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by Infemous on Jan 21, 2012 4:13 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
He'll last long in Cleveland with their OL
I have to admit I was one who thought Cam would fail miserably. Now I think he may be the best QB in the NFL in a few years if he stays healthy
+1000
I thought Cam had bust written all over him, now he might be the next big thing for the NFL.
if Chud stays
And they can find a way to counter all the inventions we’ll see made to counter someone like Cam…
It’ll be interesting to see how well the Panthers can adjust to adjustments made by defenses!
If he avoids a sophomore slump Cam will be a top 5 QB in the league for a while.
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by Infemous on Jan 21, 2012 5:31 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
With all this hiring and firing at 1 Rams Way who will be going to
the Senior Bowl and the East West Shrine Bowl to check out the college draft candidates? The HC, OC and DC? They are hardly in the front door and don’t even have thier offices in order yet.
So? Who goes to check out the college kids?
"We can't run. We can't pass. We can't stop the run. We can't stop the pass. We can't kick. Other than that, we're just not a very good football team right now." --- Bruce Coslett, New York Jets Head Coach circa 1990s
Maybe they ought to send 3k...He'd do a good job.
Go Rams!
"We can't run. We can't pass. We can't stop the run. We can't stop the pass. We can't kick. Other than that, we're just not a very good football team right now." --- Bruce Coslett, New York Jets Head Coach circa 1990s
i'd second that
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by Infemous on Jan 21, 2012 2:09 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Maybe they go to day or maybe they check out taped footage
Still have the senior bowl pro days and combine anyway
by Ram_Redemption on Jan 21, 2012 1:54 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I Like The Hire
Now it’s time to watch how he and Fisher implement their offense. A QB friendly offense with fewer drop steps, quicker releases, strong run game, bigger O-Line, and capable WR’s to go along with Lloyd and Amendola is my guess.
Do they have to be in rams jerseys too?
by Ram_Redemption on Jan 21, 2012 1:57 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Lol in all seriousness
I love what we’re doing.
by Ram_Redemption on Jan 21, 2012 2:03 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Isnt nike taking over jerseys next season?
Bradford + Blackmon = Secondaries Beware
by RG31 on Jan 21, 2012 1:59 PM CST via mobile reply actions
starting this september or september 2013?
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by Infemous on Jan 21, 2012 2:11 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Almost positive 2012
Beating off the dog is never appropriate when we have company over...... I mean EVER!
by sergey606 on Jan 21, 2012 2:13 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
this upcoming september..
Bradford + Blackmon = Secondaries Beware
by RG31 on Jan 21, 2012 2:36 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
wow i hope the designs are better than those mocked ones
I’d like to see a simple and classy design, like a sleeker one of the current, but the helmets cannot changed at all.
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by Infemous on Jan 21, 2012 2:49 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
i'd dump sam and go with the heisman winner-----unfortunately i don't think sams
gonna be the real deal
Yea
Fisher and the owner still have faith in him.
Plus to add, the rams were the last team in the modern era to pick a qb with the first (or even first round) pick, they just don’t pick Qbs in the first, he’s not going anywhere.
Bradford + Blackmon = Secondaries Beware
by RG31 on Jan 21, 2012 2:34 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I'm fine with Schotty
He had Sanchez. When you try to make a sandwich out of shit, you’ll still have a shit sandwich. Sam is better, much better. I’m sure Fish wouldn’t have hired him if he thought he wasn’t good.
Beating off the dog is never appropriate when we have company over...... I mean EVER!
by sergey606 on Jan 21, 2012 2:22 PM CST via mobile reply actions
it's all about selling tickets ---unfortunately its easier to get crowds in 7 games than 8
more compressed…..out here on the coast we feel its a 4 year plan to get back here…..o and the 49 er fans are laffing in my face
You've already had 2 teams and lost them both!!!
Piss poor fans in la
by Rcoon1307 on Jan 21, 2012 2:55 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Seriously motherfucker
At least learn to spell. I’m sure you spell it Stephen Jackson too.
I just picture that guy from the world of Warcraft episode of south park, with chips on his fat gut
Beating off the dog is never appropriate when we have company over...... I mean EVER!
by sergey606 on Jan 21, 2012 2:33 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
You shouldn't be able to post if your comments are retarded and u can't spell!
Maybe one or the other but not both!! Go away!
by Rcoon1307 on Jan 21, 2012 2:53 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I answered above to infemous
The jets were first in red zone scoring . 1st that’s 1st We were 30 or 31. Seems like an upgade in offense to me. So I’m good with it.
hurry hurry get your rams tickets --only 7 home games per season for the next 3 years
21 home games and syanora……..“WITH AN ACHIN IN MY HEART”
As tevin pointed out
Rams will make soooo much money on that deal, smart move
Beating off the dog is never appropriate when we have company over...... I mean EVER!
by sergey606 on Jan 21, 2012 2:34 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Dont feed the troll..
Bradford + Blackmon = Secondaries Beware
by RG31 on Jan 21, 2012 2:35 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
You're right
He never replies to his own moronic comments like a little bitch
Beating off the dog is never appropriate when we have company over...... I mean EVER!
by sergey606 on Jan 21, 2012 2:50 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
o and by the way what are we gonna do about our receiving corp
isn’t it ironic that josh lands up in the afc title game
only in ramland
our receiving corp
i’m guessing we should throw the ball to them ? don’t think can punt our play lb i would hate to see them as cheerleaders !
Maybe
Shotty can bring over Braylon Edwards, he’s a fa
by miketrap3 on Jan 21, 2012 2:54 PM CST via mobile reply actions
some guys at gang green share my opinion
That fisher can control schotty. They also said that bradford is a thinker which is his you’re of qb…good.
by Ram_Redemption on Jan 21, 2012 3:11 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Mixed Emotions
I’m torn on this move. Everything that I’ve read about Schotty from the Jets perspective has been negative. However, I trust Fisher because he interviewed Jackson too and he must have seen something in Schotty that he liked. On the other hand, even if Schotty doesn’t do horrible, he’ll likely leave for a HC job after this year.
I dont think Shotty will get a HC offer...
after just one year with the Rams. Thats why I was a bit weary of signing Hue as OC, he would leave for the first HC position available. I dont see Shotty doing that, it should give Bradford some stability for the next 2-3 years. He was the Jets OC from 2006-2011, if he was wanting to leave for a HC job he would have left after the back to back conference championship games he took the Jets to. He took his name out of consideration for the Bills HC position in 09. Everyone forgets he had success with the Jet’s (and Sanchez) the previous two years before this last one. Sanchez even led them to the Championship game as a RC, Bradford is much more talented than Sanchez. I think Shotty will do a good job with Sam and will be around a few years.
Wow, you'd be pretty hard-pressed to find a team with worse coordinators than us.
I hope I’m wrong, but right now Schottenheimer and Williams look like awful hires. Couldn’t we get anybody better?
Those two were probably the biggest names floating around right now at their position..
People forget what Shotty did with the Jets and what Williams did with the Saints. In 2010 the Saints were ranked 4th in the NFL in total defense and in 09 they led the league in turnovers. Before this last season Shotty led the Jets to back to back conference championship games. They both didnt have a great year this last year but both have had a lot of success in the past.
The defense took the Jets to the AFC championship.
The offense just did enough not to screw it up.
by runningblack on Jan 21, 2012 3:54 PM CST up reply actions
The defense can only do so much...
the offense has to find a way to put points on the board and they did.
if i could rec on a phone i would
Although Williams has a chance to be better… He’s proven to be good in the past, although his playcalling vs the 49ers was pretty bad, despite being put in bad positions due to turnovers.
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by Infemous on Jan 21, 2012 4:49 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I am so sorry.
Pennington, Favre, and Brees all went on to have career years after getting out of Schotty offenses.
If Sanchez takes a huge step forward this year too, then, well, that sucks.
But as a 49ers fan, I don’t like this OC carousel you guys have, seeing as you’re giving Bradford the Alex Smith treatment. That said, I think continuing the carousel will do less damage than sticking with Schotty for longer for a year.
Also, be prepared to see a TON of run - run - pass.
…Followed by 63 dropbacks when you go down.
by runningblack on Jan 21, 2012 3:48 PM CST up reply actions
I my self am worried about the alex smith treatment
And although Sam is a smart guy, doesn’t exclude the fact he’s been drug through was going to be three offenses already in his young career, feel sorry for him..
Bradford + Blackmon = Secondaries Beware
by RG31 on Jan 21, 2012 3:57 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
appreciate the concern
I’m starting to think like thoughts, in that a one and done year with Schotty would be beneficial despite having 4 different offenses in 4 years.
We have to see how the year goes and I hope to god that we’re proven wrong but it’d take a miracle in my opinion…
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by Infemous on Jan 21, 2012 4:26 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Well if he turns out to coach like his initials, then
Fisher can always replace him!
Until then, BS’s complicated scheme mixed-
with Fisher’s conservative approach should balance out.
Fisher will make sure of that.
Escpecially seeing that he-himself will be
the eventual fallguy.
Intresting group of characters/coahes we have now in place. This will be fun to watch.
Go Rams!
not sure interesting is necessarily a good thing...
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by Infemous on Jan 21, 2012 4:42 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Well at least we have an OC....
2 men enter 1 man leaves. THOSE ARE THE RULES OF THUNDER DOME!
"I learned that Madonna will be singing at the Super Bowl. I thought this was football not the soundtrack to your menopause." ~ RAMpage28
Even though he sucks.
I hope we don’t bring in any more morons from NY.
2 men enter 1 man leaves. THOSE ARE THE RULES OF THUNDER DOME!
"I learned that Madonna will be singing at the Super Bowl. I thought this was football not the soundtrack to your menopause." ~ RAMpage28
Stat sheets and different personel do not tell the whole story.
Want to know the underlying theme between HC, DC, OC? They have all been in the playoffs more often than not. They are all players coaches and all of them extremists. I’m not promoting everyone to drink the koolaid but, give them a shot. If at the bye week next year we are worse off than we were this previous year I will tip my hat to all of these nay sayin armchair QBs.
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by Ramrocker on Jan 21, 2012 5:02 PM CST via iPhone app reply actions
Fine.
But I haven’t heard many positives about this guy.
2 men enter 1 man leaves. THOSE ARE THE RULES OF THUNDER DOME!
"I learned that Madonna will be singing at the Super Bowl. I thought this was football not the soundtrack to your menopause." ~ RAMpage28
extremism is seldom a good thing in any field, especially in the NFL
Success is predicated on the ability to adjust and each member of staff hired has shown an inability to do so. Swallowing pride and ego is not something easily learnt and its something that needs to be done with regards to our HC, OC and DC.
Its one thing establishing identity and its another thing cutting off a finger to spite your hand.
You can have an identity without being one dimensional and this is a huge issue with regards to all 3 key staff positions.
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by Infemous on Jan 21, 2012 5:36 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I think the biggest issue with that statement is..
That we will have an identity. We are going to run the ball and play great defense. If you think that idea is archaic then i guess the 9ers, an Ravens won +10 games by luck. There is multiple ways to win in this league and I think there is a lot of continuity throughout this staff. Fisher isn’t one dimensional either, last time I checked Eddie george was the rushing champ followed by McNair throwing for 4k the next year. Each of these coaches have had up and down years. But, it’s what you choose to evaluate them on will base your opinion of all three hires. Williams D was the sole reason the Saints won a Super Bowl. Shottys ground n pound keep that great defense healthy and Fish manages a game better than most. He gets a lot of output from little talent and hopefully will change all of your pessamistic asses quick. Sad thing is though is that no matter the outcome next year weather it’s playoffs or not, you will probably still bitch. It’s cool though, every fan base needs the negative nellies to balance out us optimistic KoolAid drinkers.
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by Ramrocker on Jan 21, 2012 5:47 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
i think you misunderstood me
There is nothing wrong with identity. In fact I’d say having one is a very very good thing. The issue is, is you have to be able to deviate from it when the situation demands.
Agreed about up and down years, but Schotty has had only ONE up year his entire career.
Fisher has had 2 winning seasons in his last 8 seasons in charge and he refused to do what was best for his team due to some personal issue he had with VY.
Saints D the SOLE reason? Not Drew Brees even just a tiny lil bit?
I think its important Williams knows when to blitz and when not to, but generally I don’t mind his hiring. I like his scheme but its obviously flawed and he needs an offense to put points on the board. With BS as OC we may see a cataclysmic mess with regards to our defense… Same as last year.
Can’t say I agree Fisher gets a lot out of low talent players.. But I hope he does that here.
I’m actually a huge optimist, but have been turned sour by some questionable decisions by this new regime. I can’t drink the kool aid if I know its full of shit, and I see the shit floating on the surface to bro. Can’t nobody say its bad for me to try and draw your attention to it coz nobody wants to drink kool aid full of shit do they? Do they?
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by Infemous on Jan 22, 2012 7:12 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Tell that to bellichek (sp)
He’s pretty one dimensional. Tom Brady
by Rcoon1307 on Jan 21, 2012 5:48 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
did you really just say that?
Belicheck is the best HC in the league due to his and his staffs’ ability to adjust and put their players in a position to successfully comprehend and execute the adjustments.
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by Infemous on Jan 22, 2012 7:01 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I hadn't heard many positives about Jswirbs mom....
But lemme tell ya, she positively can suck……. A popsicle like a champ. So before ya judge, see how it turns out
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by Ramrocker on Jan 21, 2012 5:09 PM CST via iPhone app reply actions
i know jswirb isnt popular
But why bring his mama into it? Are we really reverting to schoolyard insults?
What happened to trying to treat each other with respect? Just because you don’t like what he says and the ridiculous amount of comments it takes to put it across, does not mean you should break the rules of this community and lower the tone.
This isn’t just for you bro, but for us all. Some people are getting way too wound up by one person…
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by Infemous on Jan 21, 2012 5:39 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
After all of that, thats what you took from that?
From that whole statement by far the least important was the indirect “funny HaHa”….
Just like everyone else I like to read through everyones thoughts, I appreciate everyones opinions, (even JSWIRB), ya know Infemous I even get a kick out of your hilrarious trucker mouth rants. But lets be real, this is a community and because you post more, swear more, troll more doesn’t give ya the right to go flip mode and act high n’ mighty. /Squashed.
I <3 JSWIRB (and the fake mom who loves otter pops).
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Yo I got no problem with bad language or calling people out or whatever, but this is a community.
This isn’t the forum to be directing insults at other posters, no matter how warranted.
I also said that it wasn’t directed at you specifically, as sergey and other posters were also crossing the line. Apologise if you feel victimised at all.
End of the day, we all should attempt to be more respectful of other posters.
My rants are seldom directed at other posters, and this is the difference.
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by Infemous on Jan 22, 2012 7:18 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Two words: Air Coryell!
Brian Schottenheimer has his roots and I think its a great hire. Us Rams fans are used to this offense and it uses the number system. I truly think Bradford will be better under him than Sanchez was. Bradford rarely makes the same mistakes. He will get everyone on the same page. Bank on it!
i was upset when the rumors first started
then i realized… this guy got mark sanchez to not suck for a season…… genius
Is it possible...
that Hue can be the QB coach or is he only looking for a coordinator position?
Uhhh....
I’m a Jets fan giving you guys a warning.
The Jets will win the Super Bowl one day and that will be the day i laugh in your face if your not a Jets fan.
BAD HIRE
How many times does this clown have to fail before his friends stop hiring him?
Schottenheimer sucks…and you have to look no further than at how much better his QB’s did after he was kicked to the curb:
Pennington 2007 with Schottenheimer: 86.1 QB Rating
Pennington 2008 without: 97.4
Favre 2008 with Schottenheimer: 81.0
Favre 2009 without: 107.2
Brees 2005 with Schottenheimer: 89.2
Brees since Schottenheimer: 99.2
"Keep the Faith"
I wish all Ram’s fan’s good luck with this guy ! As they say "A Tiger can’t change it’s stripe’s.Good luck,and have patience with this guy. Hopefully it work’s out for you. Anyway,all of us at GGN have happy feet that “Schitty” is G-O-N-E GONE GONE GONE !!!!!!!
by bleedinggreen41 on Jan 21, 2012 9:27 PM CST reply actions
Not really a bad hire
when you think about the fact Hue got the short end of the stick in Oakland he didnt do that bad right , so one good year as a OC he would job offers so Hue would of been the more exciting pick this year but Schottenheimer will most likely be able to put a “system” together for a couple years so its safer but at the end of the day we can only wait and see and at worst Bradford will be 100 times better just under Fisher then Spags So yea hope I dont Piss anyone off with my first post
Brian Schotty has been getting job offers for years
he can leave easily too. If he gets Sam going again expect him to be a coaching option in a few places most likely buffalo if chan gaily doesn’t get it together
true but
Like you said in a couple years. hue could get a hc job next year
by T.J.ramsfan17 on Jan 21, 2012 10:26 PM CST via mobile reply actions
As a NYer
I have to tell you this was a big mistake. Schottenheimer continuously disappoints.
2012 NYG mock - 1: Chase Minnifield CB, 2: Kevin Zeitler G, 3: A.J. Jenkins, WR, 4: Neiko Thorpe S, 5: Brandon Bolden RB, 6: Rishard Matthews WR, 6: some random LB, 7: BPA
I'll be optimistic
Sam and the O will have plenty of time to learn this offense. Who knows how much it really hurt us not having an offseason. I’m sure Sams confidence was low with all the dropped passes, poor o-line play, and then the injuries. I remember hearing Sam say it was frustrating to be taking steps backwards with each game and not going forward(ankle injury). Hopefully he comes in camp 100% with the basics of the playbook down. Also I think these 1st and goal plays from the 1 yard line will get us 6 points under Fisher/Shotty instead of the FG or 0 points we got from Spags/Mcd.
by jmo53 on Jan 22, 2012 3:35 AM CST via Android app reply actions
im hoping the offseason makes all the difference
But we still have huge hurdles to leap over with regards to BS’ inability to call a smart game.
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by Infemous on Jan 22, 2012 7:20 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
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