Why the Rams Shouldn't Select Justin Blackmon.
by Josh Wehrle on Jan 15, 2012 6:00 PM CST
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Recently I've been noticing that the Justin Blackmon hype train is getting a little out of control on TST (and elsewhere). I'm here to put a stop to it (or at least slow it down.) Find out why the Rams shouldn't take him after the jump.
The first reason the Rams shouldn't take Blackmon is that he isn't the best prospect on the board. In fact, he isn't even close. That honor belongs to University of Southern California Left Tackle Matt Kalil. Kalil is widely regarded as the best left tackle prospect to come along since Jake Long, and he might even be the better pass-protector of the two. Kalil plays at a position of higher importance and, arguably, a position of greater need for the Rams. Blackmon isn't even considered the top receiving prospect by some scouts. There are receivers later in the draft who are relatively close as a prospect to Blackmon, but there are no lineman later in the draft who can even hold Kalil's jock strap. IF the Rams don't trade down - and that's is a big "if" - Kalil is obviously the better, safer pick.
Some people are arguing that Blackmon should be the pick because they don't want another lineman drafted so highly due to the last one (Jason Smith) being a bust. That is flat-out ridiculous. Just because the last lineman was a bust doesn't mean that the next lineman will be. Another popular argument for Blackmon is that he is a "playmaker" and that Kalil doesn't put points on the board. While this may be true, Bradford can't be expected to get the ball to Blackmon without time in the pocket. Having Blackmon around isn't going to instantly open up the offense like some claim. Why not fix the offensive line, re-sign Brandon Lloyd, add a Tight End in free agency (Jermichael Finley?), and draft a complementary receiver (Ryan Broyles?) to pair with Lloyd and Danny Amendola? Then, go after that elusive number one receiver next season if the offense still lacks punch. It makes more sense to add the rest of the pieces first, and then try to add the number one receiver last. That mythical number one receiver is the last piece you want to add to an offense to put it over the top (see Randy Moss and the Patriots circa 2007).
Perhaps the best option for the Rams would be to trade down. Robert Griffin III is an outstanding QB prospect, and the bidding should be high. A trade package for RGIII would most likely involve both a ton of draft capital and an established player of two. The Rams are nowhere near contending for a super bowl, so the best route could be to take the best trade offer and get as much talent on the roster as possible.
Another reason the Rams shouldn't take Blackmon at number two is because he just isn't the special type of receiver that should be taken that high in the draft. He doesn't have the size or speed of a Calvin Johnson, AJ Green, or Julio Jones. He played in a very "receiver friendly" offense at Oklahoma State that featured a 28 year old quarterback playing behind a great offensive line. Blackmon had an easy time getting open because of the way the offense was designed. He just won't have that luxury in the NFL.
I'm not saying that Blackmon is a bad player, just that he isn't the right pick for the Rams. He may be the sexy pick, but there are clearly better options on the table.
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yeah
I wasn’t saying that we can trade down AND get Kalil, just to be clear lol
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"It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of the needle than for Tim Tebow to complete a pass against the Cover-2" - Jesus Follow @jmwehrle
I'll take a trade down
Then get Upshaw in the 1st, get a T and DT in the 2nd (or one of those in FA) and get Stephen Hill in the 3rd if we can keep Lloyd or sign a Wayne
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by King Sam Rules! on Jan 15, 2012 6:07 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Good Points
We need to stop drinking the Kool-Aid on these players. (Lance Kendricks)
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by RAMSALLTHEWAY on Jan 15, 2012 6:10 PM CST via mobile reply actions
trade down
Take Jonathan Martin or riley rieff. In second there should be some receiver like broyles or Jones.
Jones sucks!!!1
Sanu!!!!!
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by RAMSALLTHEWAY on Jan 15, 2012 6:17 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Exactly!
Trade down and get Martin or Rieff in the 1st. In the 2nd and 3rd get a CB and DT. Broyles might drop all the way to the early 4th due to his smaller size and injury this year. I think he would be a steal there. Especially with his chemistry with Bradford.
I agree who needs a #1
sincerly, Brooks Foster, Mardy Gillyard, Donnie Avery, Keenan Burton, and Drew Bennett.
sincerely, Brandon Lloyd.
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Lloyd
Is an FA and if he had to choose between the pats and rams I think that is a pretty clear choice
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by holtfan on Jan 15, 2012 6:18 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I actually think he stays a ram
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thats why we take Muhamed
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by RAMSALLTHEWAY on Jan 15, 2012 6:20 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
He's not staying here
to be productive he needs to be in a wide open offense, something that won’t happen with Fisher
Brandon Lloyd & Fisher
Lloyd can get his catches in Fisher’s offense. Derrick Mason had high years of 96 and 95 catches and Drew Bennett had 80 one year. One year, Eddie George had 403 carries so we need a bonafide stud RB by Round 2 this year. SJax is tough but fragile. He’ll probably go down in game 1 next year.
Hmmmmm
I can understand not wanting to take Blackmon that high in the draft but to say wait until 2013 to find a number 1 wr makes no sense. The rams need playmakers on offense
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by holtfan on Jan 15, 2012 6:17 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Sanu!!!!!!
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by RAMSALLTHEWAY on Jan 15, 2012 6:18 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
that's why you add a TE in Free agency
plus a receiver in rounds 2-4
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like Sanu
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by RAMSALLTHEWAY on Jan 15, 2012 6:23 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
haha
Yes Sanu would be a great option after round 1
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A playmaker this year isn't going to help our team.
However, getting someone to protect Sam will help tremendously during a transitional year. Like he said, we aren’t close to contending. And also, Fisher is a conservative coach.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
The thing is
A lot of people believe that Blackmon is a “special type of receiver that should be taken that high”.
You don’t, but I think history will prove you wrong.
I also think they can’t really make up their minds until they figure out what to do with Jason Smith. Is he going to come back – is he going to retire due to injury
I doubt smith is back whether he retires or not
plus I don’t think history will prove me wrong lol
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Think again buckeye55
What happens if the rams decide to trade down with the cleveland browns? If that happens say goodbye to Kalil and hello to Blackmon.
Nooooo
Sanu!!!!!!
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by RAMSALLTHEWAY on Jan 15, 2012 6:20 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
if they trade down with the Browns
Claiborne is still the better prospect
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yeah
he’s developed into a phenomenal corner prospect
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Claiborne is actually a better prospect
No lie..Quinton Coples might be a better prospect too
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by RAMSALLTHEWAY on Jan 15, 2012 6:22 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I don't think so
Claiborne is farther along as a prospect, and I don’t think either of those two will end up being top 10 picks
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it depends who is available
I think Kelechi Osemeli icould be a decent pick in the second
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Claiborne is an elite corner prospect.
Martin and Rieff are top tier, but not elite.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
The number of sacks last year makes it a no brainer.CALVIN JOHNSONS numbers
sucked while Stafford was ktfo
3
Bradford + Blackmon = Secondaries Beware
by RG31 on Jan 15, 2012 6:22 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Damnit!
Anyways two scenarios that we must take blackmon.
1. Lloyd leaves, we can’t rely on FA and Blackmon is hands down the best wr prospect in this draft and has major upside.
2. We trade down with Cleveland, getting the extra picks, we take Blackmon, we keep Lloyd, blackmon doesn’t have to be a one yet, I’d like a one two combo with Lloyd and Blackmon.
Bradford + Blackmon = Secondaries Beware
by RG31 on Jan 15, 2012 6:24 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
or we get Sanu
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by RAMSALLTHEWAY on Jan 15, 2012 6:25 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Im good with blackmon..
Bradford + Blackmon = Secondaries Beware
by RG31 on Jan 15, 2012 6:26 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Stop drinking the Kool Aid
And get Sanu
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by RAMSALLTHEWAY on Jan 15, 2012 6:29 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Seriously thats annoying..
I’ll stick with Blackmon until said otherwise..
Bradford + Blackmon = Secondaries Beware
by RG31 on Jan 15, 2012 6:31 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
its my opinion and your opinion
But don’t tell me what to say…
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by RAMSALLTHEWAY on Jan 15, 2012 6:35 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
2 is too high for Blackmon.
He’s good, not elite.
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by Midasknight on Jan 16, 2012 11:41 AM CST up reply actions
How long
how long will the Rams (and ram fans) continue to think “oh we will get one next year” Next year the top priority will most likely be a new running back. we have been threw this song and dance for years. but still complain on sundays about the WR play
All I know is
I complained about the blocking farrrrr more than anything else this year. That and Justin King.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
Your question would be more relevent if WR was our only need.
The idea of top priority even makes no sense on a team with so many holes. We can go that route, we sure need to, or we can play to the strengths we already have. On offense that would be Sam and the running game. Both are hampered by the blocking problems the Rams now have. Get some blocking up front. We already have a young group of WRs that still may prove to be capable.
Winning starts at the line.
We have a group of young WRs
who are never going to amount to much. They can’t get open and they can’t catch. Let’s stop pretending these guys are ever going to make it.
defending Blackmon's size
I think Blackmon’s game is very similar to a certain NFL recievers game, people think Hakeem Nicks is much taller than he really is, because he plays so big, but he is only 6’1’’, and look at what hes doing to Greenbay right now. Blackmon= better version of Hakeem Nicks.
No thats Sanu
Blackmon is more like a TO
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by RAMSALLTHEWAY on Jan 15, 2012 6:24 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Broyles is not the answer buckeye55
He has injury problems, Fisher is looking for a healthy roster and Blackmon has only one injury that does not mean that u think that broyles is the answer. But the Blackmon is our current and future #1 WR for the Rams.
Sanu!!!!!!!!!
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by RAMSALLTHEWAY on Jan 15, 2012 6:25 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I know Broyles isn't the answer
I think adding a good TE, fixing the line, re-signing Lloyd, and drafting a secondary option like Broyles is the answer
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What position has dominated the playoffs, TIGHT ENDS!! No huge name receiver
has come close tyo the tight ends so far
so we should go after TE in the first round?
by crashoveride01 on Jan 15, 2012 6:29 PM CST up reply actions
No. There isn't one in the draft worth a 1st rd imo, but
there are a few great f.a’s out there. If no trade Kalil in 1, WR in 2
never mind on one part of what I'm saying
erase the between but and blackmon.
or Sanu in the second
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by RAMSALLTHEWAY on Jan 15, 2012 6:26 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I'll leave these kind of decisions to the professionals. I just don't subscribe to the theory of drafting offensive linemen high... EVER! Blackmon seems like a good pick anywhere from 4 down but I
by Sggladden on Jan 15, 2012 6:26 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Sanu is a monster
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by RAMSALLTHEWAY on Jan 15, 2012 6:27 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I'd much rather have a dominant LT
than a receiver like Blackmon
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"It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of the needle than for Tim Tebow to complete a pass against the Cover-2" - Jesus Follow @jmwehrle
we take Kalil then Sanu in the second
It’s a win-win
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by RAMSALLTHEWAY on Jan 15, 2012 6:32 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
You can probably get Sanu in the third. Especially with the second pick in the 3rd.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
then we get a an OLB
And we get Sanu in the third
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by RAMSALLTHEWAY on Jan 15, 2012 6:38 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
That's crazy.
Franchise left tackles are easily the second most coveted position in the draft. GMs let WRs walk when they want more money, but when a LT wants a long-term deal, they’re almost always locked up.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
It's Kalil or trade down for me.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
I still disagree.
No one knows if we will have Lloyd next year. Hopefully we should know by draft time. I personally do not believe that he will stay. So therefore, go after Blackmon. We need a #1 WR. And just in case I didn’t say it; WE NEED A #1 WR!!!!!!!!!
I don't think anyone is questioning how bad we need a #1 WR.
We’re questing if Blackmon is that #1 receiver we need.
WWCD? CDGAF.
Me!!!!!!!
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by RAMSALLTHEWAY on Jan 15, 2012 6:27 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
not kidding he is 6'2
Faster than Blackmon
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by RAMSALLTHEWAY on Jan 15, 2012 6:31 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Hey buckeye55
I’d rather have tyrionn the honey badger mathieu as our future CB for the rams rather than drafting Claiborne.
nooo
Mathieu gets smashed in the pass happy NFL..and he a sophomore
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by RAMSALLTHEWAY on Jan 15, 2012 6:28 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Crazy talk.
There is a reason Claiborne got all of the first team honors in America this year. He can COVER far better than Mathieu.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
Claiborne has much better cover skills and size
Mathieu should be added to an established defense so he is free to freelance and make plays
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"It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of the needle than for Tim Tebow to complete a pass against the Cover-2" - Jesus Follow @jmwehrle
How did Claiborne do in the Alabama game?
I thought the LSU corners got beat pretty regularly in the title game.
mathieu did
I don’t think Claiborne played poorly
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by Josh Wehrle on Jan 16, 2012 12:19 AM CST up reply actions
A big part of me not wanting Blackmon, and again I'm not alone on this,
is that I’m not convinced he profiles as a number one reciever in the NFL, and to me he just isn’t a top 5 (maybe even top 10) prospect.
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Thats why we get Sanu
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by RAMSALLTHEWAY on Jan 15, 2012 6:29 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
there isn't really a true definition
But someone with the upside of Fitzgerald, Johnson, AJ Green, Julio Jones, Randy Moss, TO, etc. I just don’t think Blackmon has that potential.
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he's more of an Anquan Boldin type of player.
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I agree,
and 3k says the same thing. He will be good, but not incredibly, batshit fucking crazy good. He’s only considered to high because of his college success and the lack of elite receivers in this draft.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
that too
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by RAMSALLTHEWAY on Jan 15, 2012 6:36 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I like him a lot
but we would have to trade down in the bottom half of the first for him to be a viable option
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"It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of the needle than for Tim Tebow to complete a pass against the Cover-2" - Jesus Follow @jmwehrle
I have been saying all along 2 is way to high for blackmon.
by kevio3000 on Jan 15, 2012 6:36 PM CST via Android app reply actions
Yeah
Why not?
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by RAMSALLTHEWAY on Jan 15, 2012 6:40 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Rather have
Blackmon, Jeffery and Floyd over him..
Bradford + Blackmon = Secondaries Beware
by RG31 on Jan 15, 2012 6:40 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I know haha
Also if Broyles had never got injured, would prefer to have him over Sanu also..
Bradford + Blackmon = Secondaries Beware
by RG31 on Jan 15, 2012 6:41 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
in all seriousness though
unless it’s the Browns that we trade with (for #22), we’ve gotta get a WR in the first IMO. If that’s not our ‘plan’ then it’s gotta be FA. We NEED another WR, and rounds 2 and beyond arent gonna cut it…
I disagree
this is a deep draft for receivers
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I just think last years draft hurt us
we drafted a TE and two receivers, that honestly, I’m not sure are going to pan out….
oh yeah
I hated pretty much every pick after Quinn.
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I still have high hopes on salas
he is 6’1" and as a fresno state fan iv seen alot if hawaii games and he showed alot of promise. Last year he was a rookie and beyond some rookie spookes he can be the #2 reciever blackman looks to be…if were going to draft another wr he NEEDS to be tall fast and sure handed!
by Valley Ram on Jan 16, 2012 2:29 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I know Im tired of the waiting game
With wr, its very annoying. We need another playmaker at wr, if this FO feels good about Blackmon take him at 2..
Bradford + Blackmon = Secondaries Beware
by RG31 on Jan 15, 2012 6:43 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
thats to high for him
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by RAMSALLTHEWAY on Jan 15, 2012 6:45 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
And I disagree
Bradford + Blackmon = Secondaries Beware
by RG31 on Jan 15, 2012 6:46 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
how is blackmon ahead the best LT since Joe Thomas
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by RAMSALLTHEWAY on Jan 15, 2012 6:49 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Because
Wr is our biggest need if Lloyd leaves. Same reason why we pick Sam over Suh.
Bradford + Blackmon = Secondaries Beware
by RG31 on Jan 15, 2012 6:50 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I don't see how offensive line isn't our biggest need.
We paid over $18 million for arguably the worst line in the NFL. Blackmon isn’t gonna give Sam more time.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
Kalil fixes 3 positions
Kalil is LT
Smith is LG
Saffold is RT
Besides there is plenty of WR’s that will fall to the second….wright, Sanu, Floyd or Jeffery
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by RAMSALLTHEWAY on Jan 15, 2012 6:53 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Dude you just proved my point!
18 million and this is what we get?! This oline was starting to play better before saffold went down, this wr corps has sucked all season..
Bradford + Blackmon = Secondaries Beware
by RG31 on Jan 15, 2012 6:54 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
That's a poor job from our GM...
That’s like saying the Cowboys wasted money on Roy Williams so they shouldn’t have drafted Dez Bryant (though they still shouldn’t have). How exactly did I prove your point? The fact that our line is a failure should prove mine.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
You proved my point because..
We have spent big money on this line and what have we spent on our wr corps? They suck and I’d rather spend some money on this wr corps and get an oline coach to light the fire under this olines assess..
Bradford + Blackmon = Secondaries Beware
by RG31 on Jan 15, 2012 7:04 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Okay?
And we spent big money because….it’s the most important position group in football. Just because it failed it doesn’t mean you don’t stop trying. That is just a QB career ruiner.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
how about we fucking coach this line up instead of bailing...
TIRED of spending shit tons of money on this line. Lets fucking COACH for once
by Bralidore on Jan 15, 2012 7:38 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
wouldn’t OT be our biggest need if smith is cut or switched to gaurd? works both ways but I like blackmon just not at #2. #4 or #6 I’d take him.
by jmo53 on Jan 15, 2012 8:26 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
You guys know more about these OL than I do
but what I’d like to see is a trade down where we take the best available OL or WR, depending on where we trade down to. I think it’s a no-brainer that both positions need to be addressed and I think if we do it in the first 2 rounds, we’ve done ourselves a huge favor
I'm down
I actually think he has an upside similar to Blackmon’s.
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If we trade out of the top 10,
I’d rather take Floyd. Honestly think he’s got a higher ceiling than Blackmon. But DeCastro is my guy if we trade down to around 7-9.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
I think he's in the same situation as Jeffery
He has a sucky QB throwing at him……worse than Conner Shaw….and still has great numbers
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by RAMSALLTHEWAY on Jan 15, 2012 6:43 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Jeffery was a huge disappointment.
He had a sucky QB throwing at him last year as well. But even then, the best of them ALWAYS put up numbers regardless of QB. Look at Keenan Allen.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
Which reminds me,
I’d MUCH rather have Keenan Allen next season than Blackmon at #2. Easily, no question.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
HELLOOOOOO PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!
We have picked a few so called for sure picks as linemen (smith and barron) time to draft skill positon with our first pick. Im tired of hearing the words potiential or if he can stay healthy. Our WRs suckis good but hes leaving PERIOD! LLyod
Not a single soul said Smith was a sure pick.
He played tackle for one year in college. He is just an athletic freak at his position and had the highest ceiling in the draft, that’s why he was a high pick.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
Me2
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
He just said that just because you draft OLine highly and they dont turn out
Doesn’t mean u stop drafting them
WE SUCK. THAT IS ALL.
by RAMSALLTHEWAY on Jan 15, 2012 6:47 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
the people drafting and coaching them has a huge impact as well.
by jmo53 on Jan 15, 2012 8:34 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
Every yr seems like we say "Go get a #1 WR next yr"
When is that yr coming?
"Victory at all costs, victory in spite of all terror, victory however long and hard the road may be; for without victory there is no PLAYOFFS."
Winston Churchill
When we finally
fill our important needs.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
+100000000000
Turf Show Times writer and a proud rams fan.
"It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of the needle than for Tim Tebow to complete a pass against the Cover-2" - Jesus Follow @jmwehrle
and wr is important?
Bradford + Blackmon = Secondaries Beware
by RG31 on Jan 15, 2012 6:51 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Compared to the worst run defense and worst blocking?
Not even close.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
yes but not as important as the offensive line
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"It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of the needle than for Tim Tebow to complete a pass against the Cover-2" - Jesus Follow @jmwehrle
LOL important? what's more important then down field targets for our franchise QB?
"Victory at all costs, victory in spite of all terror, victory however long and hard the road may be; for without victory there is no PLAYOFFS."
Winston Churchill
blocking for our franchise QB
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"It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of the needle than for Tim Tebow to complete a pass against the Cover-2" - Jesus Follow @jmwehrle
by Josh Wehrle on Jan 16, 2012 12:20 AM CST up reply actions
I'm pretty sure Lloyd said he's open to returning
so again, fix the line with Kalil and another draft pick or free agent, draft a secondary option like Broyles, add a TE, and re-sign Lloyd and the offense should be fine.
Turf Show Times writer and a proud rams fan.
"It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of the needle than for Tim Tebow to complete a pass against the Cover-2" - Jesus Follow @jmwehrle
Crabtree put up Blackmon like numbers and had the hype etc. Was he
worth a top 5 pick to the niners last night?
Or ever?
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
We need a playmaker to grow with Bradford...
its much cheaper to grab one in the draft than in FA. We can get a good solid tackle with experience in FA, getting a playmaking WR would cost an arm and a leg. We need someone to grow with Bradford, we can get a tackle via FA or in round 2. Maybe Jonathan Martin makes it to round 2 or the guy from Iowa. If people dont think Blackmon is a true playmaker look at the Fiesta bowl against a VERY talented team. I shouldnt have to say anymore. I know Blackmon is only 6’1, but he is just a playmaker plain and simple. We have a chance at grabbing a good tackle in round 2 or in FA. I stil heard people complaining this year because we passed on Desean Jackson a few years ago. If we wait another year to get a star WR we can kiss the playoffs good bye. I dont see any other WR’s in this draft who can produce nearly as much as Blackmon, I know some scouts like Kendall Wright but he had one good year with the Heisman Trophy winning QB throwing to him, Blackmon has won the Biletnikoff award TWICE as the nations best WR and is a two time All American. If we pass on Blackmon I promise people will be talking about it for years. How we missed drafting a stud like Blackmon. I know Kalil is supposed to be a beast but I think Blackmon in the long run would help our team (and Bradford) the most.
Thank You!
I would rec this if I was on a computer..
Bradford + Blackmon = Secondaries Beware
by RG31 on Jan 15, 2012 6:52 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
We will be haunted for years if we pass on this guy....
in my opinion. It is extremely important to get a stud WR to grow with Bradford.
If we can get a franchise left tackle through FA
then by all means, do it. But you’re a dreamer. There is a reason that franchise tackles are ALWAYS locked up and receivers are always walking (unless you’re as good as Andre or Larry Fitz), that’s because LT is the second most important position in the eyes of a GM.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
Name me one FA wr that would want to come here this offseason...
Bradford + Blackmon = Secondaries Beware
by RG31 on Jan 15, 2012 6:55 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Name me one FA franchise LT that's even available.
Two can play this game.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
We got Dahl last year and hes been pretty good
Only reason Lloyd came here is because of McHoody, once again who would come here?…
Bradford + Blackmon = Secondaries Beware
by RG31 on Jan 15, 2012 6:58 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Yup,
because Dahl is a franchise LT.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
Above average
Bradford + Blackmon = Secondaries Beware
by RG31 on Jan 15, 2012 7:01 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
He's not even a tackle, let alone a franchise LT.
If he sticks at RT then cool, but he was moved there because of depth issues.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
Now Dahl and Carl Nicks
gives us one HELL of a guard duo. But it doesn’t fix Sam’s blindside beating.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
I just think
Our wr corps needs help and banking on the FA isn’t going to work IMO, we need a playmakiny wr to grow with Sam, not just for a couple of years then leave..
Bradford + Blackmon = Secondaries Beware
by RG31 on Jan 15, 2012 7:05 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
No, it really doesn't help him when he's still getting his ass kicked
and spraining every limb on his body. Sure, he can throw it up and we’ll have a higher chance of completing the pass, but it doesn’t help.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
Yes
And just throwing in wr every other year is good, right? We need continuity with his weapons not just throwing in wrs after wrs..
Bradford + Blackmon = Secondaries Beware
by RG31 on Jan 15, 2012 7:11 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Better than getting his ass kicked every year.
Of course, until he can’t play anymore. Which wouldn’t take long if we ignore our OL because we paid too much for it.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
Still havent told me which on of those wrs would want to come here
Plus if Lloyd leaves then what?
Bradford + Blackmon = Secondaries Beware
by RG31 on Jan 15, 2012 7:18 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Still haven't told me a legit franchise LT that's out there.
And who’s to say they’d wanna come here either?
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
And you still haven't told me what Wr would want to come here..
Bradford + Blackmon = Secondaries Beware
$40 mil in cap space rg...
you really think these primmadonna wr’s give a **** what team they play for? its all about the benjamins man ask sidney rice.
by Mark Jaramillo on Jan 15, 2012 11:50 PM CST up reply actions
That's something I will never be able to know.
However, finding a franchise LT in that list of tackles is something that you can do, and you haven’t. I’ll help you out, none of them.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
Lloyd
This all depends on if Lloyd resigns and what we do in FA. If we resign Lloyd or sign a top notch FA then WR isn’t such a big need. If Lloyd leaves and a FA isn’t signed then Blackmon has to be the pick. But either way I’d take him at #4 or #6.
by jmo53 on Jan 15, 2012 8:48 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
The argument can be made both ways
OT will take pressure off Sam. A #1 will too by not having the defence stack the box every play. I would preferred the free agent WR because it takes a few years to see a drafted WR meet potential and the bigger impact would come from Kalil with a veteran WR. With that said we really don’t know what we have in the rookies we got last year. Plus a new coaching staff to bring out that potential. None of this really matters because we will probably trade out of position to draft Blackmon but it seems there are some other options out there. OT is more important and harder to find via FA. I’m just glad Daveney has nothing to do with this draft.
by jmo53 on Jan 15, 2012 9:21 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
depending on the amount of money we can offer them,
every single one
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"It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of the needle than for Tim Tebow to complete a pass against the Cover-2" - Jesus Follow @jmwehrle
Yea right
This team has proved nothing and what wr wants to come here if they thing we are going nowhere?
Bradford + Blackmon = Secondaries Beware
by RG31 on Jan 15, 2012 6:57 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
it's all about $$$
if they think Bradford will have time throw and we give them enough money, any receiver would come here
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"It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of the needle than for Tim Tebow to complete a pass against the Cover-2" - Jesus Follow @jmwehrle
Over NE or Saints, dont think so..
Bradford + Blackmon = Secondaries Beware
by RG31 on Jan 15, 2012 7:01 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
you really think that NE and the Saints
will sign Lloyd, Bowe, Jackson, Jackson, and Colston?
Turf Show Times writer and a proud rams fan.
"It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of the needle than for Tim Tebow to complete a pass against the Cover-2" - Jesus Follow @jmwehrle
I'll watch with you, lol.
DEWAYNE BOWE IS A FA?!!!
by x Nightwing x on Jan 15, 2012 8:37 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
And Martin falling to the second?
This dude is delusional. People reach for tackles all the time because they’re must haves. He’s a top 15 pick no matter what.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
Links,
I can easily say I’ve seen 3 mock drafts where he was picked first overall. He’s a consensus top 3 LT and a top tier one at that, he’s not falling out of the first at all.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
I could sit here and argue my point all night but it really doesnt matter...
this time next year when we are drafting in the top 10 again because we cant put points on the board and Blackmon has 800+ yards receiving we will continue this conversation.
And Keenan Allen > Blackmon as a pro prospect any day.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
Ok, then you can wait until next year to draft him...
have fun watching our offense put up 12 points a game again. I personally dont want to go thru another year watching this dreadful offense lacking playmakers
We won't with Jeff Fisher.
If he gets an anchor like Matt Kalil, he has the ability to make our line play much better. That alone would give us a touchdown more per game.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
Fisher likes runnning the ball
You need a line to do that
WE SUCK. THAT IS ALL.
by RAMSALLTHEWAY on Jan 15, 2012 6:57 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
We take him in the second
WE SUCK. THAT IS ALL.
by RAMSALLTHEWAY on Jan 15, 2012 7:01 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
He took 2 years off eddie georges career!
Just saying. Better work out Steven, Its going to be another 300+ carry year.
by fearsomefoursum on Jan 15, 2012 9:04 PM CST up reply actions
What free agent left tackle do u kno?
by Ram_Redemption on Jan 15, 2012 7:00 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
hmm lets see
D’Anthony Batiste (ARZ) – OT
Levi Brown (ARZ) – OT
Brandon Keith (ARZ) – OT
Mark LeVoir (BAL) – OT
Demetrius Bell (BUF) – OT
Erik Pears (BUF) – OT
Anthony Collins (CIN) – OT
Dennis Roland (CIN) – OT
Oniel Cousins (CLE) – OT
Artis Hicks (CLE) – OT
Guy Whimper (JAC) – OT
Jared Gaither (KC) – OT
Barry Richardson (KC) – OT
Vernon Carey (MIA) – OT
Kareem McKenzie (NYG) – OT
Robert Turner (NYJ) – OT
Khalif Barnes (OAK) – OT
Stephon Heyer (OAK) – OT
King Dunlap (PHI) – OT
Trai Essex (PIT) – OT
Max Starks (PIT) – OT
Breno Giacomini (SEA) – OT
Adam Snyder (SF) – OT
Adam Goldberg (STL) – OT
James Lee (TB) – OT
Mike Otto (TEN) – OT
okay tell me which one of those are even close to Kalil talent-wise
Turf Show Times writer and a proud rams fan.
"It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of the needle than for Tim Tebow to complete a pass against the Cover-2" - Jesus Follow @jmwehrle
I asked for lt's
And you give me every ot in the league. Cool
by Ram_Redemption on Jan 15, 2012 7:08 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
read my reply
Turf Show Times writer and a proud rams fan.
"It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of the needle than for Tim Tebow to complete a pass against the Cover-2" - Jesus Follow @jmwehrle
You're just naming FA OTs LOL!
Now tell me which one of those is a franchise LT. WR names are by far and away much better than OT in this year’s FA class.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
How many times did the Rams move players around on the line???
Jason Brown,Saffold, etc. Just because a player plays one side doesnt mean he isnt sufficient on the other.
And that's a good thing.
Drafting Kalil means we can move Saffold to the right side and maybe even Smith inside. But that doesn’t change the fact that not a single one of those are a legit FRANCHISE left tackle. One you’d keep for 10 years. One like Orlando Pace.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
GUY WHIMPER FTW!
"Fac Fortia et Patere"
by FailureDrill on Jan 15, 2012 8:25 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
And some of these guys....
And some of these guys even know to stay set until the ball is snapped….are you listening Jason “Bust” Smith?
by fearsomefoursum on Jan 15, 2012 9:03 PM CST up reply actions
Bell
Demetrius Bell (BUF) – OT – Bell is another under-the-radar player capable of protecting the blindside and is a vital piece to the Bills’ offense with an expiring contract. Though he’s an above average pass protector, he’s an even better run blocker for the left side. The Bills have some work to be done to keep all of the pieces together, which could allow Bell to slip through the cracks into free agency.
he also has injury issues
and the bills throw so many short passes that his deficiencies as a pass protector are covered up.
Turf Show Times writer and a proud rams fan.
"It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of the needle than for Tim Tebow to complete a pass against the Cover-2" - Jesus Follow @jmwehrle
It also covered Fitzpatrick's deficiencies lolol.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
yeah haha
Turf Show Times writer and a proud rams fan.
"It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of the needle than for Tim Tebow to complete a pass against the Cover-2" - Jesus Follow @jmwehrle
the Bills were 17th with 8 passes over 40 yards and 20th with 48 completions over 20 yards
where as the Rams were 31st (last) in completions over 40 and 27th in completions over 20. They had a much better offense then we did and he played solid. The Bills also were 4th with 4.9 yards a carry.
How many were Fred Jackson screens?
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
lol
All
WE SUCK. THAT IS ALL.
by RAMSALLTHEWAY on Jan 15, 2012 7:13 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Cool, cool.
Now go watch the tape and tell me how many were short throws turned big gain? I’m sure he goes deep once in awhile (which makes it easy with FJ as your running back), but those stats don’t mean you go deep a lot.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
Not to mention
He has a top reciever in stevie johnson. But again he is a tall (kinda) fast sure handed reciever.
by Valley Ram on Jan 16, 2012 2:46 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
okay
so how does that take away the injuries and the pass-blocking defeciencies?
Turf Show Times writer and a proud rams fan.
"It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of the needle than for Tim Tebow to complete a pass against the Cover-2" - Jesus Follow @jmwehrle
okay again,
Left Tackle is a more important position than wide receiver, this is pretty much agreed upon by everyone. Kalil plays left tackle. Blackmon players wide receiver. Kalil is the better prospect, this also agreed upon by pretty much everyone. Kalil is obviously the better pick.
Turf Show Times writer and a proud rams fan.
"It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of the needle than for Tim Tebow to complete a pass against the Cover-2" - Jesus Follow @jmwehrle
Also,
LT needs trump WR needs every time. People don’t get that either. Yes, WR is a big need for us, but LT trumps that 10×.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
And we know that fisher is a usc guy so i know he has been watchin kalil for a while!
by kevio3000 on Jan 15, 2012 7:01 PM CST via Android app reply actions
I don't know,
there has been some bad blood ever since USC hired Kennedy Pola away from his staff.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
Anybody who thinks that adm offense that allowed 50 plus sacks should pick a receiver with 3 lt's rated higher than him
Are not football fans.. They are bradford fans
by Ram_Redemption on Jan 15, 2012 7:03 PM CST via mobile reply actions
im a bradford/ram and i want kalil
So that’s not true
WE SUCK. THAT IS ALL.
by RAMSALLTHEWAY on Jan 15, 2012 7:08 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Dude I said anyone who want blackmon over kalil isn't a ram fan lol
by Ram_Redemption on Jan 15, 2012 7:10 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
woops
WE SUCK. THAT IS ALL.
by RAMSALLTHEWAY on Jan 15, 2012 7:11 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
we do have a rash of fans from the state of Oklahoma who came in with Bradford who are now lobbying for Blackmon
I love those guys, but they are super biased
They think that wr score by themselves
Blackmon won’t catch shit if he can’t even finish his routes when dam is on his ass.just likely today everyone was all over nicks’ dick but nobody commented on eli and his clean pocket
by Ram_Redemption on Jan 15, 2012 7:14 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
You mean the wide receivers
didn’t give him 5 seconds in the pocket on every play?
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
No thatwas the oline!
Shocking huh?
by Ram_Redemption on Jan 15, 2012 7:17 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Honestly,
yes. I thought Nicks and Cruz were the ones keeping Matthews and co. in check.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
^
Same. Huge Sam fan, but Rams first and foremost. Kalil is the better pick long term. Franchise LTs this elite don’t come often.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
Lets just say there is a franchise LT available in FA
did u guys now that the LT on average is the 2nd highest paid player on a team? So signing a LT in his “prime” would cost us most of our cap space, which should be used to make our other spots better..meaning sign a OLB and either drafting a LT 1st round or signing a good LG and coaching the hell out of saffold/Smith to play there position like last year
by Valley Ram on Jan 16, 2012 2:51 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah I completely forgot about the price range lol.
I’m cool with trading down, but we’d be at 8 or 9 if we did and that would be David DeCastro range. Elite guard prospect. Either way, the top 10 this year is pretty loaded in positions we need, I’m fine with whatever. Just not Blackmon over Kalil at #2.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
Call it how I see it, no matter how you feel..
Bradford + Blackmon = Secondaries Beware
by RG31 on Jan 15, 2012 7:16 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
And you a cool guy for that
But just seeing tht reciever and not the oline altering him time to get open its foolish.
by Ram_Redemption on Jan 15, 2012 7:18 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Actually Ive been back and fourth
On Blackmon and Kalil all season, so ill probably be on your side next month. I like both players so would be happy with either..
Bradford + Blackmon = Secondaries Beware
by RG31 on Jan 15, 2012 7:21 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Me to
Blackmon makes me love em but its like a ferrari vs. a volvo. One is a sexy pick but the other is so reliable lol
by Ram_Redemption on Jan 15, 2012 7:23 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
haha
Nice analogy, I wish broyles hadn’t got injured, I was set on him in the second with Kalil in the first..
Bradford + Blackmon = Secondaries Beware
by RG31 on Jan 15, 2012 7:25 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Yea fuller is the guy I like
by Ram_Redemption on Jan 15, 2012 7:30 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I'm tired of hearing Blackmon is nothing special
The guy has been one of the best receivers in college football for two years now and his preformence in the fiesta bowl more than solidified his dominance. Yes Matt Kalil is the better pick but if we trade down and this guy is still on the board we would be insane not to draft him plus roger safold is a legit smite starting LT so I don’t even see Matt Kalil as a need we could easily get more lineman like the guy from Stanford if we trade down with someone like Cleveland and end up with two first round picks. I agree that if we select at 2 Kalil is the guy but otherwise we need to get Blackmon.
by ramsrdebest on Jan 15, 2012 7:17 PM CST via mobile reply actions
What makes blackmon special?
by Ram_Redemption on Jan 15, 2012 7:20 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Blackmon is special
But he isn’t a better prospect than Kalil and he isn’t our biggest need
WE SUCK. THAT IS ALL.
by RAMSALLTHEWAY on Jan 15, 2012 7:22 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Blackman
Is sure handed fast and strong and what he lacks in hight he makes up for with reach. I believe his vertical leap is like 7’6"
by Valley Ram on Jan 16, 2012 2:54 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
See now that's reasonable.
If we trade down, I’m all for Blackmon. He is the best receiver in this draft (still think Floyd has the higher ceiling), but there is no way he’s worth the #2 pick in any other draft, especially over Kalil.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
Spoke to soon.
Rodger Saffold was awful this year. Just so bad. Sucks, too, because I like him a lot.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
I know he sucked this year
But he had a great rookie year and with his work ethic I think that he will be solid this up coming year. Plus better coaching can’t hurt.
by ramsrdebest on Jan 15, 2012 7:42 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I'm tired of hearing Blackmon is nothing special
The guy has been one of the best receivers in college football for two years now and his preformence in the fiesta bowl more than solidified his dominance. Yes Matt Kalil is the better pick but if we trade down and this guy is still on the board we would be insane not to draft him plus roger safold is a legit smite starting LT so I don’t even see Matt Kalil as a need we could easily get more lineman like the guy from Stanford if we trade down with someone like Cleveland and end up with two first round picks. I agree that if we select at 2 Kalil is the guy but otherwise we need to get Blackmon.
by ramsrdebest on Jan 15, 2012 7:17 PM CST via mobile reply actions
what about blackmon makes him elite?
by Ram_Redemption on Jan 15, 2012 7:21 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Have you even watched the guy play?
He has dominated for the last 2 years and he pretty much single handedly won the fiesta bowl. His only weakness is speed and last time I checked Brandon Lloyd isn’t that fast either but both guys understand the game and can get separation plus like dx Blackmon has a long stride so he might not time well in his 40 but he can get up and down the field quickly.
by ramsrdebest on Jan 15, 2012 7:27 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Yes I watch him but what about him is SPECIAL
by Ram_Redemption on Jan 15, 2012 7:28 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
What's your definition of special
Because obviously you think special means he should be flying around in tights with a cape. Or maybe he should have the ability to stop time and teleport and drive around in a Nissan Versa to try and save New York?
by ramsrdebest on Jan 15, 2012 7:37 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Aside from college production and a lack of DUI's,
but puts him above Floyd??
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
what*
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
All we have to go by is college production.
If Floyd has a better combine than sure maybe we can draft him but as of RIGHT NOW Blackmon is the best choice at Wr , not at #2 overall but if we trade down then he’s the best as of now.
by ramsrdebest on Jan 15, 2012 7:46 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
So playing a spread offense in a conference not known for defense makes him special
K
by Ram_Redemption on Jan 15, 2012 7:49 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
By your standards
Wes welker would suck because he plays for the patriots.
by ramsrdebest on Jan 15, 2012 7:58 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
You don't need college production to judge a pro prospect.
Redemption asks a legit question.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
Exactly all I wands kno is why he is special
By that logic. Crabtree edwards and dx are “special”
by Ram_Redemption on Jan 15, 2012 8:00 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Most of those guys have been pretty solid in the nfl
And one is suffering a chronic knee condition that keeps him from playing well consistently
by ramsrdebest on Jan 15, 2012 8:04 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
AJ Green didn't even break 1,000 yards his final year (granted he was suspended)
but he was never a numbers guy in college. But he was also never doubted as a top 5 pick (until Julio’s combine).
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
Yea not funny
But special to me is aj green julio jones type played..in case you needed a realistic measure
by Ram_Redemption on Jan 15, 2012 7:46 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I get what your saying
Blackmon may not be up to those standards which is why I said earlier that we shouldn’t draft him #2 overall but he is the best receiver coming out this year and if we trade down it would be stupid not to draft him if matt Kalil is off the board wich he will be. Justin Blackmon is the second best player who plays in a position in which we need the most help. And that joke was specific to a certain show so u probably didn’t get it.
by ramsrdebest on Jan 15, 2012 7:55 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Hate to be a douche
But kalil claiborne reiff martin luck and rg3 are all seen as better at the position than blackmon lol get your point tho but rams fans overrate dude
by Ram_Redemption on Jan 15, 2012 8:06 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Its all just opinion anyway but
rg3- we don’t need him
luck – we dont need him
kalil- I already said i would draft him over blackmon
claiborne- If Bartell Fletcher and Murphy come back healthy than Wr becomes a bigger priority in the draft
so I say if we draft down we should get blackmon which is what i originally said. and the rams haven’t taken a chance on a receiver in the first round since torry holt and since torry holt has left our recievers have been awful so i feel that we have to take a chance with a receiver at some point we cant keep making excuses.
Unforunately,
a second ligament tear to Fletcher’s knee doesn’t bode well for his future… I really hope I’m wrong though, he had really high potential.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
That was ment to reply the
“should he be flying up and down the field and wear a cape” comment
by Valley Ram on Jan 16, 2012 2:58 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
No,
David Shaw won the Fiesta Bowl for OSU. He has the best QB prospect since Peyton Manning and with the game on the line, he takes it out of his hands and puts it all on their freshman kicker. Blackmon was really good in that game though.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
Without Blackmon
There wouldn’t even have been a game for David shaw to screw up it would have been a blow out
by ramsrdebest on Jan 15, 2012 7:32 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I know, but he didn't win them the game.
Shaw lost Stanford the game. You think Harbaugh would have pulled that stupid crap? A minute left on OSU’s half with a timeout, there is no way you take the ball out of Luck’s hands.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
9 catches, over 150 yards and 3 TDs..
That’s straight up dominance..
Bradford + Blackmon = Secondaries Beware
by RG31 on Jan 15, 2012 7:35 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Blackmon is special
Then so is Kalil…heck, he’s more special than him
WE SUCK. THAT IS ALL.
by RAMSALLTHEWAY on Jan 15, 2012 7:47 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Like I said
I like both of then and would be happy with either..
Bradford + Blackmon = Secondaries Beware
by RG31 on Jan 15, 2012 7:50 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
theres some quality wr's to be had instead of blackmon guys...
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/600554-college-footballs-top-wide-receivers-for-2011#/articles/600554-college-footballs-top-wide-receivers-for-2011/page/9
by Mark Jaramillo on Jan 15, 2012 11:59 PM CST up reply actions
Sorry
But posting a bleacher report link automatically loses your credibility
by Valley Ram on Jan 16, 2012 3:00 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
it wasnt for crediblilty valley...
i know damn well how the bleacher report works, i posted it to show everyone, that theres other wr’s besides blackmon that could be taken further in the draft. blackmon shouldnt be a priority in the 1st round. the wr’s rankings mentioned above means nothing. there all servicable, but i just dont see the rams taking a wr that high in the 1st where theres GREATER needs on the team. like…LT.
its like beating a dead horse here man. bottom line, how do expect to have sam get the ball to his “superman” wr, if he’s getting planted every play? that 0-line needs to be adressed, and adressed right!
by Mark Jaramillo on Jan 16, 2012 10:26 AM CST up reply actions
I get why people want Blackmon over Kalil, that's completely fine.
But how on earth can you argue that WR is a more important need than LT, or that Blackmon is a better prospect at his position than Kalil is? That’s what makes absolutely no sense.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
I dont think anyone is arguing who is the better prospect...
I personally think, with who we have and what we need, then the Rams offense (and Bradford) would benefit more with the selection of Blackmon than Kalil. Just my opinion, like I said I could sit here all night and argue with everyone but its not going to mean a damn thing. We can look back at this time next year and argue who would should have (or shouldnt have) drafted. I know before the season started everyone kept complaining because we missed out on Desean, I have a feeling that same thing is going to happen again. Just my opinion tho.
Atlanta falcons are my evidence for this
Ignored oline..took receiver..regressed
by Ram_Redemption on Jan 15, 2012 7:26 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
No, people are actually saying that.
I’ve seen it a LOT on previous threads. Someone even said Martin is the better prospect LOL. I saw his worst game (against USC of course) and Matt Kalil thrived in that game.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
Fantasy Totals are up on the Playoff FF post
Team TST is in the lead with a total of 267.22 points(this week: 145.66)
You should be our GM.
And give Derinda a promotion for crying out loud!
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
Fun? Or...scary o.O
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
Lol doug comes in during an argument
“fantasy football up by the way”
by Ram_Redemption on Jan 15, 2012 7:24 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
In any case we should probably wait to see what offense we run before we really determine who we pick
I agree that in any case Kalil is strictly better than Blackmon, but if we go back to the west coast offense a dominant pass protector is less important and trading down to take a WR like Blackmon makes more sense.
Doesn't shotty run a mcdaniels type offense
by Ram_Redemption on Jan 15, 2012 7:27 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Looks like we're looking to get Schotty,
don’t think he’s in a WCO.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
LOL I'm still not sold that Sanchez isn't the problem over there.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
i just don't want to relive last year
we have a terrible line and a terrible group of WRs, we need to simplify our offense again. I would lean heavily on SJax and short passes to Salas and Amendola.
I would too,
but even the WCO wouldn’t have been possible behind our line this year. Injuries didn’t help either. We have one of the highest paid centers in the league and he was benched. That’s how bad we are.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
Anybody else thing Childress is possible?
Bradford + Blackmon = Secondaries Beware
by RG31 on Jan 15, 2012 7:30 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Sorry RG
But shotty sounds like a lock
by Ram_Redemption on Jan 15, 2012 7:36 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Damnit! baha
Bradford + Blackmon = Secondaries Beware
by RG31 on Jan 15, 2012 7:37 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
thanks for the article
a good offensive line would MAKE guys like Lloyd (if we re-sign him) Kendrick and Gibson playmakers. Did you notice who the successul #3 WR on Dallas was this year? It wasn’t the QB that made him successful…it was the O-Line!
"rudeness is the weak man's imitation of strength"...Eric Hoffer
agree with the author
the smart pick is to take Kalil is he is as good as projected. After all, it wasn’t until after we took big OP that we contended during the GSOT days. We must get the O line squared away first.
the last time that the rams drafted a WR in the 1st rd.
Hey buckeye55 the last time that the rams drafted a WR in the 1st rd was Torry Big Game Holt. I’m just sayin the rams are not going to wait another year without drafting a #1 WR like Justin Blackmon. So is that what u want if so then u need to look at the draft history for the rams.
Your not supposed to say that
Or your a Bradford fan, not a rams fan…
Bradford + Blackmon = Secondaries Beware
by RG31 on Jan 15, 2012 7:51 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Says the dude who followed bradford to the rams
by Ram_Redemption on Jan 15, 2012 8:03 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Touche
And just saying, just because someone wants us to get Blackmon, doesn’t mean their a Bradford fan, could mean their tired of this POS corps and us neglecting the position year after year..
Bradford + Blackmon = Secondaries Beware
by RG31 on Jan 15, 2012 8:05 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Lol just messing with you bro
by Ram_Redemption on Jan 15, 2012 8:07 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Haha I know, just like messing with you
Bradford + Blackmon = Secondaries Beware
by RG31 on Jan 15, 2012 8:08 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Lol yea didn't want you thinking I was serious
rams fans gotta stick together in this nfl apocolypse
by Ram_Redemption on Jan 15, 2012 8:14 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
People keep sayig the rams neglected the wr position
But is that really true? How many people liked the Sims-Walking sign before he showed how badly he needed a cane? Then amendola and salas go down and rams trade to get another #1 reciever in lloyd? The Havent neglected trying to fix it they have just failed minus lloyd so far.
by Valley Ram on Jan 16, 2012 3:07 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Jefff fisher want apart of those drafts
Rams history? Dude everyone fron those day are give including the people that picked holt lol
by Ram_Redemption on Jan 15, 2012 7:51 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Exactly.
A line anchored by Pace and Timmerman? Surefire HOFer and one who is deserving.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
There is no logical connection in your post.
We drafted Holt in the first so if we take Blackmon in the first history says he will be a HOF quality WR.
What does Torry Holt being
our last 1st round receiver have to do with anything? Are we redrafting Torry Holt this year?
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
Free Agent WR available In the order I like.
Vincent Jackson (SD) , Dwayne Bowe (KC) , Marques Colston (NO), Robert Meachem (NO) DeSean Jackson (PHI), Mario Manningham (NYG), Reggie Wayne (IND), Steve Johnson (BUF)
I didn’t bother with Wes Walker or Lloyd.
Now if Rams get any of those top 4 WR’s I would be happy. All have good size and hands. Personally I want to trade that #2 pick and fill in a ton of holes. We should be able to get talent in the draft this year. Lord knows can’t be any worse than previous drafts.
List link: http://www.footballsfuture.com/2012/fa/wr.html
http://www.codex99.com/illustration/images/foster/songbird_sm.jpg
Bowe, Colston are not going anywhere
DeSean Jax I wouldn’t touch with a ten foot bong. Reggie is old, Stevie is inconsistent. Vincent Jax is the only one I’d go after and I would go hard after him with tons of $$$ with Rivers likely the Franchise tag man this year.
by fearsomefoursum on Jan 15, 2012 8:54 PM CST up reply actions
Drew Brees and Carl Nicks are free agents this year
They will probabally franchise Nicks since Brees isnt going any where. So Colston may be available
http://www.codex99.com/illustration/images/foster/songbird_sm.jpg
Surely when you draft you should be looking at the talent level compared to previous drafts not just what is available in this draft. I don’t think Blackmon is a truly elite WR prospect in the mould of calvin johnson or fitz (especially if he runs a 4.5-4.6 range and being 6’1). Even if we traded down with Cleveland I would want to draft claibourne or even Richardson who are considered some of the best prospects to come out for their respective positions in the past few years.
by NK21 on Jan 15, 2012 8:12 PM CST via iPhone app reply actions
So its happened...
Bradford + Blackmon = Secondaries Beware
by RG31 on Jan 15, 2012 8:15 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
It might have said this but
What kind of offense does he run?
Bradford + Blackmon = Secondaries Beware
by RG31 on Jan 15, 2012 8:17 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Lol its not that bad
Sanchez was the reason.he had to dumb it down for him
by Ram_Redemption on Jan 15, 2012 8:23 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Haha
Is it more of a WCO or is it like McDaniels’s?
Bradford + Blackmon = Secondaries Beware
by RG31 on Jan 15, 2012 8:24 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
if by west coast you mean
no pass attempts over 30 yds except by your slot reciever in the wildcat formation then yes.
In all seriousness he likes to systematically move down the field with 3-7 yard passes, and 3-4 yd draws and pounds. He also like to try to confuse the D with lots of pointless motions (having the FB line up at WR and motion into back field), and hitting them with the unexpected (a screen to a non-recieving RB). He found a mismatch in the Giants game where he had a speedy RB motion out of the back field and have a LB cover him, but after Mark overthrew it once he never tried it again all year long
Less step drops
Quicker passesyes
by Ram_Redemption on Jan 15, 2012 8:31 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Quicker passes sounds good to me..
Bradford + Blackmon = Secondaries Beware
by RG31 on Jan 15, 2012 8:33 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I heard some disturbing this from Jets fans when I asked them about Schottenheimer
Not sure we are getting anything other than a McD doppelganger. He runs complex O, suspect play calling, and gets caught in a mindset during a game he doesn’t deviate from during the game
As long as fosher lets him run his offense
Unlike spags
by Ram_Redemption on Jan 15, 2012 8:29 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
blackmon
take blackmon and then bring Lloyd back and the WR position is solid then add a lineman in FA.. no reason to not draft blackmon and then end up taking a WR in the 3rd or 4th round we know how that works out
Jeff not so fuller
played every game this year and had 200 yards less than last year and 6 TD fewer….wat da point? Maybe a 6th rounder
by fearsomefoursum on Jan 15, 2012 8:49 PM CST up reply actions
Over at 'Gang Green Nation'
they’re having a field day about us signing Schottenheimer. New York showing it’s class
We can laugh at their loud fat arse coach
and the team chemistry. Rams will be a S-Bowl befor those misfits with SAnchez.
http://www.codex99.com/illustration/images/foster/songbird_sm.jpg
this city pride ourselves in our one of a kind class
but u have to admit that playbook post is very comical
I can dig the jokes on Schottenheimer
but some if it’s directed at our team, whom if memory serves me correct, has no beef with the Jets. I guess we’ll play this upcoming season, so we’ll see how that pans out….
no I have no beef with the rams in fact i kinda like them
Rex has instilled confidence in the players and fans for the first time since Super Bowl III and we don’t know how to express that confidence (since most of us have never had it. This season was the first year I actully felt the Jets failed by not making the playoffs, when its normally expected) so we copy Rex and his trash talk
A lot of guys (me being one of them)
want to see what he can do w/o Schotty.
others want Peyton Manning.
Its a mixture of both
Mark totally misfires on passes, the o-line gives him no time so instead he throws a pick, BUT Schotty’s offense is very confusing, doesn’t really fit the team’s strengths.
Also as a QB developer his techniques are questionable to say the least.
good feeling isn't it?
In the ‘70s I used to think the Rams failed because they didn’t win the SB. Now I’m just glad we can get a win to avoid that o fer thing.
What happens when a NY fan meets a philly fan?
I lived in pheonix once. The city was filled with ex NYers and ex chitowners. We had a joke there:
Why are there so many wrecks in pheonix? Because Nyers never move and chicagoans don’t stop for anything.
So what happens when NY meets philly?
I can't tell you from personal experience (I'm a Jets and Yankee fan none of my teams particularly hate Philly)
But from the stories I’ve heard about Giants-Eagles games it gets really ugly, and can sometimes come close to Yankees-Red Sox hate
lol
I hope its not true
WE SUCK. THAT IS ALL.
by RAMSALLTHEWAY on Jan 15, 2012 8:33 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Typical new yorkers
When he was calling plays in the afc championship I didn’t hear any crying.
by Ram_Redemption on Jan 15, 2012 8:40 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
actually we cried all the time about his playcalling in last years AFC championship game
we feel he cost us the chance at a SB
Yea that's natural haha same goes on here
But IMO (and some analysts) thought that sanchez want capable of running shotty’s offense.and that it was him rather then the system
by Ram_Redemption on Jan 15, 2012 8:49 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Yea one of our complaints was that Schotty's system didn't adjust to the players we had`
We were built for Ground and Pound and Schotty wanted to throw 60 times. but also we felt he did a terrible job of developing Sanchez and instead of looking like he improved, he looked like he regressed (in terms of decision making)
I think thats why fisher choose him
He wants to ground and pound and if he can keep that in shotty’s mind then we can let dam throw 30 to 35 times and win
by Ram_Redemption on Jan 15, 2012 9:02 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
IDK
Rex wanted to ground and pound and instead we threw 60+ times a game with an average QB who because of that game has the reputation of a terrible QB
Maybe he was the wrong OC in the wrong place
With blocking and a Wr or two, I can see our offense being successful throwing more than running.
He does seem to be a curse though to QBs
Sanchez has the reputation of the worst QB in the NFL
Favre had one of his worst years in his career
Drew Brees failed to develop with Schotty as the QB Coach
Hopefully fisher keeps that under control
All in all I think the goal is to run a team similar to you guys a couple years ago.run, play d, score enough to win
by Ram_Redemption on Jan 15, 2012 9:11 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Damn
All I basically see from those comments is they feel sorry for Sam and were screwed..
Bradford + Blackmon = Secondaries Beware
by RG31 on Jan 15, 2012 8:35 PM CST via mobile reply actions
And what happens if Saffold gets back to playing like he did as a rookie?
Bring in Blackmon and maybe, just maybe, Shotttenheimer won’t be oblivious to the fact that Sam can’t spend an eternity in the pocket waiting for receivers to get open. Then they can find a way to get the ball out of Bradford’s hands quickly to some receivers who are capable of catching a football, like amendola, blackmon, and hopefully lloyd.
if shotty is the OC
Then take Blackmon
WE SUCK. THAT IS ALL.
by RAMSALLTHEWAY on Jan 15, 2012 8:40 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
As long as we get a Tackle to in the third or fourth
Otherwise Kalil.. cuz we still need a RT too..
WE SUCK. THAT IS ALL.
by RAMSALLTHEWAY on Jan 15, 2012 8:48 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I think Saffold can do good in the RT position
I honestly don’t think we need a franchise LT just a serviceable one, I don’t know who that could be have to look it up..
Bradford + Blackmon = Secondaries Beware
If Lloyd leaves we need 2 recievers
I don’t want to see Brandon Gibson on the field…..EVER
WE SUCK. THAT IS ALL.
by RAMSALLTHEWAY on Jan 15, 2012 8:57 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Sanu???
In the second after we trade with Cleveland
WE SUCK. THAT IS ALL.
by RAMSALLTHEWAY on Jan 15, 2012 9:01 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Broyles
Reminds me of Victor Cruz
WE SUCK. THAT IS ALL.
by RAMSALLTHEWAY on Jan 15, 2012 9:12 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I still like Sanu
WE SUCK. THAT IS ALL.
by RAMSALLTHEWAY on Jan 15, 2012 9:21 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Dear Buckeyefan55
You sir are a complete IDIOT!
by fearsomefoursum on Jan 15, 2012 8:43 PM CST reply actions
The Rams needs are greater
than just fixing our O line. We need Weapons of Mass Destruction. The more WMDs you have on offense, the more you can do with your O line. Fisher will address O line with thru FA….Buckeyefan55 wants us to keep blackmon on the board for Cleveland at selection #4
by fearsomefoursum on Jan 15, 2012 9:11 PM CST up reply actions
Both of those positions need fixed really bad
As do linebacker and corner back. TE?
I understand your arguement but I also see his because both areas need to be addressed. Ideally we would fix both but I’ve seen two options argued there. Blackmon, Martin vs Kalil and a WR later. Both would improve the team tremendously if our picks are hits. Both arguements are valid. I’m not sure which I favor, at this moment, but neither seems to be an ignorant idea.
Bassically
I hated the Jason Smith Experiment and I want a stud like Tory Holt (so draft blackmon). Give me weapons. Its simple. If you want to experiment, put a naked Selma Hayek in our defensive backfield and maybe we can prevent a team from scoring.
by fearsomefoursum on Jan 15, 2012 9:25 PM CST up reply actions
Hey guys, Jet fan here.
Just want to start off saying that I actually like the Rams, I have no beef with anyone. Steven Jackson is one of my favorite players in the league. Kind of just want to warn you about Schotty. The reason he was a poor offensive coordinator was because he was not just predictable in his playcalling, but he did not know how to correctly utilize the talents of the offense. He also didn’t do a good job developing Mark Sanchez at the standard that was expected. Maybe it will be different with a more experienced coach at the helm, but Schotty thinks he’s the best coach in the league. I’m not trying to take anything away from those of you that are happy, i’m just trying to be realistic when I say that Schottenheimer will not get this team anywhere.
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It's a mystery to us Jets fans
why anyone was considering him.
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by LiveLoveNYJets on Jan 15, 2012 8:53 PM CST up reply actions
I would predict most was on Schotty
when you throw the ball 60+ times in a game with Mark Sanchez, you’re bound to fail. Sanchez could be great if the team was running the ball 30-35 times per game like they did in the past.
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by LiveLoveNYJets on Jan 15, 2012 8:57 PM CST up reply actions
I like him cuz i dont want any long developing routes
Sooo…we also have Jackson who is by far a lot better than Greene so the running game is good too
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by RAMSALLTHEWAY on Jan 15, 2012 8:55 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
You know em better than we do
fill me in..
Did you guys have the personnel he likes to use? And are you sold on sanchez?
by Ram_Redemption on Jan 15, 2012 8:55 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I'm not sure anyone know what personnel he liked to use.
We have a star receiver in Holmes and a very good ground attack. He could’ve done a multitude of things, but he did not know how to develop a game plan. Personally, I like Sanchez. He’s shown at times that he can be a great quarterback. That being said, no one expects him to be Stafford or Eli throwing for 5000 yards per season. He is a guy who should be throwing about 20-23 times per game and letting his ground game get the focus of the defense. Schotty failed to correctly call that type of offense and it ultimately led to not only a poor reputation for Sanchez, but a horrible offense that threw the ball 64 times in a game.
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by LiveLoveNYJets on Jan 15, 2012 9:00 PM CST up reply actions
Thanks again for all the input you gave me over at your site.
This kind of broke faster than I could write the full article, but I’ll have it up for tomorrow. After reading what you guys said, I hope Lombardi got it wrong!
No problem, any time.
I wish you guys luck with him and we should have a good game against each other next year.
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by LiveLoveNYJets on Jan 15, 2012 9:07 PM CST up reply actions
I think this is where fisher is important
If he can committ to ground and pound and control shotty. Also bradford might give him more options then sanchez (if bradford lives up to his rookie season)
by Ram_Redemption on Jan 15, 2012 9:06 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Hey, listen.
Sometimes a change of scenery is the best thing you can do for a player or a coach. This could end up being a great move, just remains to be seen.
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by LiveLoveNYJets on Jan 15, 2012 9:08 PM CST up reply actions
We defently did not have Schotty's ideal personel
It felt like sometimes his gameplan was built around the team he wished he had rather then the team he had.
Talk about drinking the Kool-Aid...
Why are so many people claiming Brandon Lloyd is a number one receiver? He is not!
This dude was in Denver with Thomas and Decker and guess who the Broncos gave up?
He’s been in the league 9 years and has had only one 1000 yard season. If you look at his career stats, over the 5 teams for which he’s played, his stats, except for one year, 2010, are totally unimpressive; plus, he’s only 6 feet and 192 lbs. These are not the stats of a number one receiver. We need Blackmon and should therefore trade with Cleveland, draft Blackmon and then draft the OT Martin from Stanford.
Uhm there physical atributes arent that different
And before his 1000 yard season ( which he had kyle orton as QB) he had no name qbs and the broncos sucked all together. The way he played with the rams is exactly the way blackmon will play with the rams exept lloyd is a proven nfl WR veteren who can coach up guys like salas and pettis or any other wr we draft in the later rounds. If you ever watch the GSOT time you should love lloyd because the way he plays reminds me so much of how Holt played and ran his routs
by Valley Ram on Jan 16, 2012 3:23 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Also I'll end my man crush on Blackmon with this
Many say he’s not worth the pick but I would beg to differ for these reason:
1. Say we do get a serviceable LT in FA, sure there are certain prospects that are better than him but they wouldn’t fill the need that Blackmon would.
2. Some might pick Kalil over him because he has a higher ceiling and I’d agree but Suh was also looked at as a better prospect than Sam but the Ram picked him because he was the bigger need and even though some on here wanted Sam, most would still pick Sam if given the choice again.
3. Many want a Wr through FA but I believe consistency at the Wr position is one of the biggest things for Sam and if we keep getting Sam Wrs through FA and they leave the next year he won’t be able to form or continue the connection with them, it’s kinda like switching OCs every year, no consistency.
4. Sure a great line would be great but with Shotty coming (from what I’ve heard a WCO guy) Blackmon might be the better choice. Shurmur’s WCO made our line look good with sam taking 2-3 steps and get the ball out, I think that is what this team needs, but less conservative.
Just thoughts of mine..
Bradford + Blackmon = Secondaries Beware
Would you rather sign a serviceable LT and draft a very, very good WR prospect,
or sign a great receiver (there are 4 or 5 of those in FA) and draft an elite LT prospect? The Suh and Sam comparison doesn’t work because QB needs trump EVERYTHING every time. If we sign a receiver through free agency, he won’t leave for at least 5 years. Why do you think top players will only want to sign for a season? These guys want long-term contracts to insure their future at a position that needs it.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
Like Ive said before
What great wr wants to come here, and you have given known so that’s obsolete to me right now..
Bradford + Blackmon = Secondaries Beware
by RG31 on Jan 16, 2012 10:46 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Tell me what LT is even worth a long-term deal?
Seriously, my question to you is about 10 time easier.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
Good Rams article
Stock Watch: St. Louis Rams rising fast; First 2 Draft picks will be huge.
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Why this moron who made this story is even allowed to make such ridiculous assessment about blackmon and to have a cover story for this website is embarrassing.
Let Blackmon improve his stock at the combine and prove he is an elite option for the rams.
Stop hating on draft picks that have great futures
Thank you for your logical arguement.
Blackmon has yet to show me he is worth the number two pick. Many people, actual NFL scouts included, agree with me. How about you make a fanpost showing me why I’m wrong. How is that a ridiculous assessment? You’re just trying to troll.
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by Josh Wehrle on Jan 16, 2012 12:29 AM CST up reply actions
blackmon = crabtree
overrated and overhyped. i’d rather have jeffery or sanu.
I would
Rather take khalil in the first may draft a line-backer in the second to help JL55 out. In the third draft a DT I like jerrell worthy out of michigan State. There’s no need to go get a tight end Kendricks just needed that first year out of his system I think this is his year. I say give DX a shot if his knee stays healthy. Our D has potential as you can see in the saints game. We really don’t need to go all out our way. We may not have big name players, but we have solid players.
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by J-RAD2 on Jan 15, 2012 11:15 PM CST via mobile reply actions
I've been caught up thinking WR as biggest need
However, great article. It really is more sensible to go Kalil if we don’t trade down. That o-line is the number one priority to get fixed. If Bradford has great protection, he has the talent to do well with average to good receivers and hopefully in a better offensive scheme. Though, I can understand people weary of drafting Kalil over Blackmon. It’s not the sexy pick and Jason Smith still stings a little
by mb44 on Jan 15, 2012 11:23 PM CST via mobile reply actions
I Will Not Make The Argument
That Blackmon is the best player on the board.The truth is none of us truly know who the best player will turn out to be.I use consistency, durability, and on the field talent as a barometer to gauge talent. It ain’t science by a long shot; I would call it at best guess tracking. I have seen Blackmon play consistently over two seasons. He has been continuously productive. He is hard to jam on the LOS, Blackmon uses footwork effectively when creating separation. He is a willing blocker downfield; a team guy. Blackmon has the talent and veratility to line up on the outside or inside.This versatility makes it difficult for defenses to account for him. Kalil is a fine pass protector; one of the best in the country who has runblocking as a bugaboo. No prospect is perfect; Blackmon has lost focus in critical moments in games that led to dropped balls.I would be willing to accept those risk for the potential rewards he may bring. The Rams IMO; have gone long enough without legitimate playmakers at WR. I do not think that they should only focus on Blackmon. Jarius Wright, Jordan White, Denarlo Belcher, and Joe Adams are all potential starters that will likely fall to the later rounds. Blackmon is just a starting point; not a savior.
I think the whole starting point vs savior thing
is what people are misunderstanding. A lot of people in the draft Blackmon camp think he is going to come in and instantly be the offensive hero. That is just not going to happen.
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by Josh Wehrle on Jan 16, 2012 12:31 AM CST up reply actions
Kalil being a bad run blocker is completely overblown.
EVERY long touchdown run Curtis McNeal had was behind Kalil. The man is a very good run blocker, and as elite a college tackle can be at pass blocking. No sacks given up all year.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
Never Said He Was A "Bad Run Blocker"
I said it was a :bugaboo. In other words it is a skill set that needs work. Every draft prospect has weaknesses. For Kalil it is run blocking.
I believe that your wrong
Blackmon is a good pick, for example takr a look at the sport science with Blackmon
not only that but he is a very good human being I have seen something about him and this girl Olivia Hamilton and what he does for that little girls spirits is amazing! Now that is someone I would want in my locker room, but as others have said lets see what the combine brings!!!!
by rams2playoffs on Jan 16, 2012 12:53 AM CST up reply actions
look at the sports science with mardy gilyard
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"It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of the needle than for Tim Tebow to complete a pass against the Cover-2" - Jesus Follow @jmwehrle
LMFAO!
ya…and go look at the same sports science with marty gilyard! smh…
by Mark Jaramillo on Jan 16, 2012 1:12 AM CST up reply actions
If Dewayne Bowe seems hesitant to re-sign with the Chiefs
I would go after him before any receiver in the draft!
he may be getting tired of his cell phone being bugged ?!
reports that former Chief HC Haley thought GM Pioli has his cell phone and office bugged
Thanks Buckeyefan55
Good info, if someone offers us a good package of picks,we should consider,otherwise take Kalil. Think Blackmon is good 2 average,(Donnie Avery)
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