Rams show...?
Many people will say that this hire of Jeff Fisher shows a commitment to winning, however, I'd like to state my belief that it is only a commitment to winning in the eyes of lazy journos and unknowledgeable fans.
Jeff Fisher posted, during 16 years of Head Coaching the Oilers/Titans, only 6 winning seasons. He also had 6 losing seasons, and 4 seasons finishing with an 8-8 record.
How does this signify a commitment to winning or getting better?
It is equally troubling that people will accept such an unspectacular record due to the sheer length of time he was head coach in Tennessee. If you head coach for 16 seasons, you would expect there to be at LEAST 6 winning seasons. Purely from the law of averages, and my most basic grasp of it, you'd expect that such a tenure would wield those results at the least.
Of course, this argument over his winning record can be countered with a qualitative approach, such as looking at the fact that he shared a division with Peyton Manning for the majority of his seasons as Head Coach of the Titans, and that he had to coach through the unquestionably difficult times that being a relocating franchise had.
However, what was used as a counter to likewise qualitative assessments of Spagnuolo's tenure as HC of the Rams? His win record. The adage that 'the only thing that matters is winning' (which is what I ascribe to) meant that Spagnuolo had to be fired. I do not see how following this adage means that Fisher had to be the hire.
In the Playoffs as of Divisional weekend, we see only 3 coaches that had prior Head Coaching experience before their current jobs; Belicheck, Coughlin and Fox. The others are first timers in McCarthy, Peyton, Kubiak, Harbaugh and Harbaugh. The number of Superbowl winning Head Coaches between these two factors is split 50/50 with BB and Tom Coughlin being the 'experienced, prior HCs' with rings, while McCarthy and Peyton are the owners of rings for the 'first time HC group'.
What this goes to prove is that it is entirely ignorant to state that there is any advantage to being an 'experienced Head Coach' when looking for someone to rejuvenate a franchise. It proves nothing, except dents your wallet more. There are of course benefits, such as an established network of relationships, knowledge of what you will get with regards to management etc. and these are undoubted, however, we also know that we are likely to see what we have already seen from that coach.
In this case, what we've seen from Fisher is complete mediocrity, even with regards to Offensive and Defensive rankings throughout his tenure. They fluctuate a great deal from great to awful, and as such it appears to be ignorant to say that 'he always builds stingy defenses'. The fact is, is that he simply does not. The fact is, is that his approach to football has always been the '3 yards and a cloud of dust' approach. The fact is, is that this is a passing league. The fact remains, that in this league, running the ball and eating up time of possession and playing sound defense etc. has little bearing on the outcome of the game. What decides games in this league is your passing offense and your turnover ratio. If you can score points, not turn the ball over, move the ball through the air and get 2 to 3 turnovers in a game, you will win. You can run the clock on teams like Green Bay, New Orleans and New England all you want, but at the end of the day, if you can't stop their QB from beating you with a potent passing attack, you cannot win.
Now, with regards to John Fox, we have seen a small miracle with regards to the way in which he has adjusted the team to suit his ethos aswell as the personnel at his disposal. He has given his Co-Ordinators the free reign to shift the team around and it has paid dividends, essentially making a winner of the most laughable attempt at a QB I have ever seen. My problem with Fisher is not so much the archaic approach to football, but more the historic evidence of his inability to adapt.
He may not have wanted Vince Young, but you do not hurt your team because you didn't want a player. He was forced to start VY after an 0-6 start, and they finished 8-8. Why is a coach FORCED to make a change after an 0-6 start by ownership? Therein lies the issue. Until the drafting of Kenny Britt in 09, the team consistently had the worst WR group in the NFL, and the position was repeatedly maligned. Yes, drafting Chris Johnson was made to look genius by the results (statistically), however, it did not address the glaring need of WR the team had. Fortunately, in retrospect, the Titans lucked out as WR was historically bad that year, but this does not atone for the many years prior in which WR was maligned (exactly 10 years since the drafting of Kevin Dyson in the 1st round).
Further demonstration of an unwillingness to change is the repeated playing of veteran players despite the season being lost. A common complaint of Titans fans was that it was incredibly frustrating to see the retaining and continued play of underperforming veterans due to a loyalty Fisher held towards them. Essentially, there was little to no accountability in the latter stages of his reign, and youth development was limited due to the established 'good ol boys club' mentality that was evident throughout the Titans facility.
We can talk about statistics all we want, but at the end of the day, the biggest problems I have with the Jeff Fisher hire is the evidence that his approach is archaic and he lacks the ability to adjust when it is painfully obvious it is needed.
"You can't teach an old dog new tricks" springs to mind, and concerns me.
We can all hope, and I certainly will, that he does change and brings with him excellent Co-Ordinators and Positional Coaches that can make this team better, however, I remain disappointed the team did not hire someone who could make Sam Bradford the elite franchise QB he has the ability to be.
I'd have much preferred to see an Offensive Minded Coach, such as Chud, come in and build an offense with Sam they way that Sean Peyton did with Drew Brees. This means that there would be sustained continuity throughout both HC and QBs career, as a Head Coach cannot be poached the way that an Offensive Co-Ordinator can. Hiring an Offensive Minded HC would be the statement of intent and the declaration of a commitment to winning and Sam Bradford that could get me excited about the future of the team.
Currently, this Jeff Fisher hire is tantamount to keeping Spagnuolo and replacing Spagnuolo's selfless and accountable approach to roster management with an ability to manage the clock.
All of the complaints bar the clock management we had of Spags will become painfully evident in the upcoming season, and unless we see a John Fox level of adjustment and quality of coaching, the end results will be similar.
This hire reeks of media and fan appeasement as opposed to any form of statement of intent towards becoming a dominant franchise.
Fisher selecting the Rams over Miami shows that we were in fact more desperate for the name recognition and 'respect' the hire would bring than they were and it is my belief that we in fact 'lost' in this tussle over Fisher due to the reports of Fisher being unhappy with the lack of control over the roster he would have there.
Not to say I told you so, but I will anyway: I last made a post like this about Josh McDaniels, despite facing a maelstrom of claims that I was wrong... time unfortunately proved me right in the end and I can only hope that it swings the other way around this time around.
It seems that we here on Turf Show TImes expect things that are not certain, and conveniently disregard plainly obvious things with the HOPE that it will change in STL.
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Hmmm was there another EXPERIANCED HC somewhere on the market that your
aware of?? I am waiting ohh that’s right only Fisher the rest were inexperienced OC and DC and remind me again of the win’s the Rams had under the last two or three???? ohhh that’s right they became the laughing stock of the fucking NFL so before you post something actually look back and look at the Rams track record under unproven coach’s. I don’t know if Fisher will be successful or not and frankly I’m on a wait and see approach but I’m willing to give him a chance.
A large part of my argument is that hiring an experienced head coach has little to zero bearing on the Super Bowl prospects of a team
I don’t see Shanahan competing for the division let alone a Super Bowl and he has 2 more rings than Fisher.
It doesn’t matter about experience it depends entirely on the coach and the organisational structure. Nfortunatel Spags was stuck with Devaney who proved to be a terrible GM and fill the roster with marginal talent.
I also feel Spagnuolo probably was too concerned wit x’s and o’s to have a true feel for things such as challenges and clock management. That’s not an indictment of his ability to coach, but helped make him the scapegoat for one truly bad year as a HC.
If we fired Spagsnuolo who is a defensive genius, we had better have done our best to get someone radically different, specifically someone like Chud or Kromer who can develop a system around our 78 mil QB Sam Bradford, not get a guy who has an even more archaic, conservative approach to football than Spags and will run SJax into 8 man fronts under the name of ‘identity’ and being ‘tough’.
It see,s these days people are suckered in by non quantifiable and vague sayings such as ‘winner’ over tangible fundamentals such as ability or strategy. Spags at least was honest and said that his ethos was such because he had a certain belief of how football should be played and overtly had more faith in the defence he built over the offense that was fuckin dreadful. Consequently he got crucified for it.
Fisher will not get lambasted for it because he’s ‘experienced’ and his 6 winning seasons prove that it works, evidently. (sarcasm)
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In Truth
Fischer never had a great working relationship with The Titans FO. This lead to drafting certain players that did not produce. When The FO disregards the suggestions of a HC with regard to players; the team is asking for trouble. It is a wonder that he did not have a less successful tenure. Fischer got a lot out of what he was given. I also agreed that Vince Young should not have been taken by Tenn. The ownership decided that it knew more than the HC, and it backfired with Young sitting behind Michael Vick in Philadelphia. Personally; I am open to Fischer as a HC for The Rams given what he has in place to work with. Spagnuolo and Devaney failed. There is no way to sugarcoat that fact. They failed and were eliminated. Time will determine if Fischer was the right hire. IMO, he is.
Thing is, is he was the big boss dog in Tennessee, and had final say over most things
Sure, VY wasn’t his pick, but most others were. His relationship wasn’t the best but he had the authority. Typically, his selections weren’t given time on the eid to prove themselves, even if the vet above him on the depth chat was playing terribly.
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Good post well thought out
But the one thing about fisher that everyone chooses to ignore is that the rams have been umder .500 for years now. Fisher knows how to build a team out of the grave and like u said, if not for peyton he may have been a lil more successful. But we dnt have a peyton in our division. And fisher might be the best coach in the division. Plus he is gonna bring a great coaching staff with him. if jeff fisher wins 8 games next year he will already be halfway to what the rams won in 3. Thats improvement
by Ram_Redemption on Jan 15, 2012 10:21 AM CST via mobile reply actions
thanks
I’d have tried to be optimistic about the really good positives you’ve outlined here, especially the coaching staff, but I want Fisher gone already simply for hiring Schottenheimer.
Also, I don’t want to be an 8-8 team… I want to be in the NFC Championship like the 9ers are with 1st time HC Harbaugh…
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Here's the thing for me...
If I could look into the future, and in 16 years Jeff Fisher finished with a 142-120 record and took the Rams into the playoffs 6 times, I’d be pretty happy. Would that be phenomenal? Absolutely not. But would it be better than 5 HCs with a collective 32-230 record? Yup. Does that mean that I am happy with mediocrity? You could certainly make that argument. But the past 8 years have beaten that into me.
I had to watch the 49ers game with 8 49ers fans yesterday, and it was painful. But what it showed me is that the Rams need a HC with an obvious identity. That team plays with the intensity of Harbaugh and although they are a fairly “conservative” offense, the joy I saw from my friends yesterday made me mad, and sad, and jealous. They seemingly struck gold with Harbaugh, but it could have just as easily went the other way. Look at Singletary before him. And Nolan before that. This single season has bought Harbaugh a number of years of security in SF, but what if in 10 years the 49ers haven’t made it to the Super Bowl, and are challenged by the rest of the NFC West for a playoff spot every year? Will he be a failure for just making them relevant?
Fisher may not lead the Rams to numerous Super Bowls. Heck, Fisher may not even lead them to a single Super Bowl. But year in and year out, his Titans teams were relevant. They played hard and had a definable identity. If that is all Fisher brings to this team—relevance and an identity—I, for one, will be happy.
this is where we differ
why does the step to relevence and identity have to be done through mediocrity?
Why can’t we just build a really fucking good team, like the 9ers, or the Saints, or the Giants, or the Packers?
Why can’t we dominate our opponents?
Why do we think that 4 years of 8-8 has any benefit of going 2-14 and then lucking out on the second coming of Belicheck or something?
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I agree with you imfemous
I think with Fisher and his record people will be forced into accepting mediocrity. Just because our previous coaches have sucked, many will accept an 8-8 record, I will not. I will never accept it because I want the rams to be contenders for superbowls, not just be relevant in the regular season and either not make the playoffs or not make it far. I’ll give him some time but if I see this mediocrity I will call it out.
Also I’m hoping he’s learned that this is indeed a passing league, I would hate to see Sam’s talent wasted because fisher can’t see the obvious.
Bradford + Blackmon = Secondaries Beware
by RG31 on Jan 15, 2012 11:07 AM CST via mobile reply actions
appreciate the support
you make excellent points and it’s frustrating as hell!
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What it shows me
is Stan will not accept crap from anyone and if you suck you will be fired. Stan is the one who is giving me hope.
because he hired an entirely average coach?
I’d rather see some REAL ambition instead of the cop out of ‘experience’ it’s proven that being an experienced HC has little to zero benefit. It’s entirely dependent on the coach you hire and Fisher simply is not an elite coach.
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Some people are never happy
Hire someone like Chud, then people want to complain about experience and how we have to deal with someone learning how to be a head coach.
The bottom line is that Spags built a solid foundation for this team. Spags ended up being the rebound chick. He never had a chance to succeed here. He had to rebuild a mess and just when things were going to flip, hes fired.
SJax is still a beast! Best RB in the league!
Great point and analogy about Spags
and you know that I’ve always been consistent in what I’ve said, your comment cannot be aimed at me specifically… it is true of the wider TST community however.
Personally I feel that we have too many people who are blissfully ignorant and unwilling to accept some objectivity.
I’m a massive homer, will always be a Ram and am generally an optimist, but when I see something CLEARLY wrong I do not accept it and will call it out.
People place so much trust in a coach because of media bullshit like ‘experience’ which is proven to mean jack shit. What is proven is that Fisher cannot adapt and has archaic notions of how to play in this league. It is painfully evident Fisher does not deserve the trust being so blindly placed in him, and herein lies the issue.
we’re all too happy to accept his mediocrity because it’s better than the last season we had. You know what else is better than finishing 2-14? finishing 3-13. It still sucks. Saying that it’s better in anyway is what is innately wrong with this fanbase.
We are not committed, as fans, to winning.
This is where the issue lies.
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winning and 4 500 seasons would be a huge step up for our franchise. Consider how excellent the Rams have NOT been since moving to St. Louis. If not for a complete stroke of Luck/Genius with keeping an unknown arena league QB in Warner. Injuries would have killed our “Great Years” of 2000-04. And if you take those years out, you see one of the sorriest franchise records in history. I have been a Rams fan since Roman Gabriel and Merlin Olson were all pro performers and watched the Rams do things that no other franchise has ever done (Win the division for the whole decade of the 1970s). Our franchise has to get back to respectability before we can have the expectation of consistent winning seasons.
who says?
Our franchise has to get back to respectability before we can have the expectation of consistent winning seasons.
I don’t agree to this, and don’t see how anyone should either. Sorry JD.
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Its a crap shoot
Picking a coach is about like picking college players out of the draft. The one variable that no one can predict is chemistry. Sometimes things work out better than expected, 49ers comes to mind, the collection of players and new coach happen to have the right chemistry to exceed the total of their collective parts. We can only hope the same thing happends for us and the Rams.

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