Football Outsiders talks St. Louis Rams with TST
Free agency, the draft, training camp...all those things are a welcome relief from the offseason doldrums. I even look forward to the preseason because it heralds the return of football. What I really get excited about each August is the release of Football Outsiders' Almanac, the only comprehensive, in-depth preview I still bother reading from cover to cover.
Imagine my surprise when this year's FOA had a mean win projection for the St. Louis Rams of just 5.5 games, far off the expectations. I needed an explanation. As they usually are, the gang at Football Outsides was more than happy to talk to us for a little more insight into their projections for the Rams. Brian McIntyre wrote the Rams' chapter in this year's book, and he kindly took answers to our questions.
The low projections for the Rams wasn't pulled out of thin air. There is method to the projection, and one factor is the expectation of the offense struggling to pick up a new system in the early part of the season. It's a very real possibility. We saw just a limited amount of the offense, and a high flying preseason rarely translates into smooth sailing when the shooting starts. Not to worry, the Rams have the ability to overcome the odds, thanks to Sam Bradford.
It's a long interview with FO, but it's well worth your time. Brian even throws in a little teaser about the Eagles game this week. Check it out.
And, of course, be sure to pick up your own copy of Football Outsiders Almanac for 2011. It's available in PDF or old fashioned book form.
1. FO's mean projection for the Rams' total wins in 2011 is 5.5. Obviously, that reflects a much tougher schedule. Curiously, other teams within the division have better projections. Why do AZ and SF project better than the Rams this year?
Several factors go into the slightly better projections for the Cardinals and 49ers. For starters, there's the plexiglass principle: The idea that teams that improve dramatically from one season to the next tend to settle back the third season. In addition, the Rams have a new offensive coordinator and question marks at the wide receiver position. With no offseason to acclimate to the new system, the Rams' offense can be expected to struggle in the early part of the season. Another factor in the slight difference in expected wins is the Cardinals and 49ers are playing third- and fourth-place schedules this season, while the Rams are playing a second-place schedule. The Cardinals also addressed their biggest question mark - the quarterback position - in free agency, and the 49ers are likely to have a better defense this year.
2. Which teams on the 2011 schedule do the Rams have a chance to surprise?
If there was ever a perfect time to catch the Philadelphia Eagles, the NFL's alleged "Dream Team", it would be at home in Week 1. The Eagles recently juggled their offensive line, plus their young linebackers - 2011 fourth-round pick Casey Matthews is starting at middle linebacker - could be susceptible to a steady dose of Steven Jackson.
3. The Rams' struggles against the play action pass last year was one of the more glaring statistical comparisons. How do they improve that this this year? Have they done enough to improve that this year?
Upgrades at safety (Quintin Mikell is a better fit in Steve Spagnuolo's defense) should help, as could a better supporting cast around middle linebacker James Laurinaitis. Though he lost time to Chad Greenway in Minnesota, free agent addition Ben Leber had a 71 percent success rate against the pass last season, which ranked fourth among NFL linebackers. Leber's 4.8 adjusted yards allowed per pass ranked 13th, four spots ahead of Laurinaitis.
5. Guessing what Josh McDaniels' offense will look like became the offseason sport of choice in St. Louis. People looked back to what he did in Denver and New England only to find not easy, direct correlation with the Rams. They intend to leave some of the old playbook, roughly 40 percent, and install the new one around that. Given the players surrounding Sam Bradford and what little the preseason revealed, what can we expect this offense to look like?
As much as McDaniels would love to be aggressive with downfield, I'm expecting the Rams to be a balanced, run-first offense that makes heavy use of slot receiver Danny Amendola and tight end/h-back Lance Kendricks. If/when Mark Clayton gets healthy, or Mike Sims-Walker, Austin Pettis, Greg Salas and Danario Alexander emerge as legitimate threats downfield, McDaniels will open his playbook and take advantage of Bradford's downfield passing ability.
6. Related to the above question, what can we expect from the players in this offense? Who on the roster really stands out as someone who can help push the team beyond its dull, unproductive offense from last year?
It all starts with Sam Bradford, who was outstanding as a rookie and should be even better with an offensive coordinator who won't be as consistently conservative in his play-calling as Pat Shurmur was in 2010. Nothing against Adam Goldberg, but Harvey Dahl should be significant upgrade at right guard. Dahl wakes up in a bad mood and takes it out on opposing defensive linemen, so he brings a little edge to what has been a high-priced, but Downy soft interior line. If the preseason is any indicator, tight end/h-back Lance Kendricks (11-155-3) is going to make an immediate impact on third downs and inside the red zone, the latter of which was an area the Rams struggled in last season. Bradford's DVOA in the red zone last season was-55.0%, second-worst in the league.
Thanks again to Brian and everyone else at FO. Be sure to check them out on the web...you might as well, we'll be referring back to their stats time and time again throughout the season.
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Good stuff
Love some FO
Turf Show Times editor, Mocking the Draft writer, and I gots that Twitter too, yo.
"my keyboard won't corporate, neighter will my smell check." - Knoxfan
I'm still mourning the loss of VanRam :(
but nice post Ryan
"We can't run. We can't pass. We can't stop the run. We can't stop the pass. We can't kick. Other than that, we're just not a very good football team right now. "
Bruce Coslet
Wow!
Another bunch of internet nobodies using all the necessary buzz words to discribe a team they probably never wactched other than to try and shit on Bradford’s rookie season. Beautiful. I love stat nerds who use irrelevant stats like DVOA so that they can try and turn football into what essentially has turned baseball into a boner fest for math nerds. Can’t wait to see the equivalent of WHIP, BABIP, GO/AO, etc. I wonder if Bill Belichick, Mike Tomlin, Mike McCarthy and Sean Payton stay until 4 AM digging through these bullshit stats. Nah, they just watch film and evaluate talent. Something these bloging nerds can’t. How bout you hop on over to PFF and you two can have an orgy watching DVRed games while disecting meaningless shit?
Football Outsiders is a joke.
Which shit is meaningless and which is meaningful?
Specfically, which shit Football Outsiders disect is meaningless and which shit you observe is meaningful?
"I have something 95 percent of all those All-Stars only wish they had: a World Series ring. If I had to choose between that and being an All-Star, it would be no contest. I’d grab the gold ring and never look back." -Tim Salmon
This is a monster fail statement
“Leber’s 4.8 adjusted yards allowed per pass ranked 13th, four spots ahead of Laurinaitis”
First off no one gives a shit about “adjusted yards allowed per pass”. Who the fuck would? What FO tries to do is break down football like Billy Beans Money Ball, and just like Billy Beans Money Ball it is a monster, epic fucking fail. Basing who is good and who is not on stats that only nerds with way to much time on their hands use is idiotic. Until I see teams drafting players based on their “adjusted yards allowed per pass” or a QB’s DVOA this kind of analysis can eat a dick.
Watch the fucking game and you can clearly see the Rams have made progress, progress that says they are better than a 5.5 team. I mean shit, even the degenerate gamblers got us at O/U 7.5.
By the way, the fuck would pay for this garbage information, this article sounds more like a wack advertisement then an actual article.
Hey how bout we break out that Bradford article they had on TST a couple of months ago, that one was fun. Essentially saying that Bradford was overrated and not as good as people are treating him and his rookie season wasn’t worth the hype. You know your basic troll hater article using ridiculous stats and formula’s that no one uses but bored nerds.
This is great
I don’t even have to rebut. But instead I feel like trying out a little FJM.
First off no one gives a shit about "adjusted yards allowed per pass". Who the fuck would?
Alright. Typical DaFranchize post with coarse language showing a lack of vocabulary. In any case, there are a lot of people out there who care about Adjusted Yards Allowed Per Pass. Football Outsiders is viewed by 25,000+ people per day. These guys have a following that cares about the analytics they produce.
What FO tries to do is break down football like Billy Beans Money Ball, and just like Billy Beans Money Ball it is a monster, epic fucking fail.
I know from the past that you don’t blindly agree with the decisions of the Rams Front Office, so I’m surprised that you base your opinion of this kind of analysis on its usage by front offices. Further, to use Billy Beane as an example shows that you actually haven’t read Lewis’s Moneyball. The idea behind Beane’s approach was to find cheap talent through unconventional means. Once his strategies became the norm, teams with money once again took over. Read the book before you open your mouth.
Basing who is good and who is not on stats that only nerds with way to much time on their hands use is idiotic.
This just makes you look an ignorant dolt. Every good nerd knows that stats have limitations, but they also hold a lot of value. In fact, going back to Moneyball, stats gave Beane an edge over the “that guy has the look” style of scouting. Again, read the damn book. And singling out nerds makes it obvious that you’re pissed that the kid you used to bully in school is now your boss’s boss. As you would say “you just jelly.”
Until I see teams drafting players based on their "adjusted yards allowed per pass" or a QB’s DVOA this kind of analysis can eat a dick.
For all you know, the Rams might have signed Leber for exactly this reason. Also, I guess VanRam (RIP) can go “eat a dick” because he talks about DVOA all the time. Like here and here and here .
Watch the fucking game and you can clearly see the Rams have made progress…
No argument here.
progress that says they are better than a 5.5 team. I mean shit, even the degenerate gamblers got us at O/U 7.5.
I agree that 5.5 is low. I’m personally in agreement with the Vegas over/under. But I can understand why FO is so low on the Rams. The schedule this year is much harder than last year. A new OC with no OTA’s or mini-camps. And Arizona (through Kolb) and SF (by ditching Singletary) got better. It’s a rough situation for a second-year QB.
By the way, the fuck would pay for this garbage information, this article sounds more like a wack advertisement then an actual article.
I’d be much more willing to shell out some money for their analysis than I would yours. There’s a reason these guys are interviewed all over the country by major media outlets. They know what they’re talking about. Let them advertise. Maybe you could learn something about stats.
Hey how bout we break out that Bradford article they had on TST a couple of months ago, that one was fun. Essentially saying that Bradford was overrated and not as good as people are treating him and his rookie season wasn’t worth the hype
Do you mean this article? The one by Pro Football Reference that claims that Bradford is overrated? I didn’t happen to remember one this year by FO. Searching for it on TST didn’t yield any results. I did find this one on Google. It’s actually a great analysis of Bradford and the Rams akin to the Breakdowns we get from VT and VamRam (RIP).
You know your basic troll hater article using ridiculous stats and formula’s…
I don’t think FO has anything against the Rams. They don’t have an agenda. They use the best stats they can find/derive to analyze a game we love. You should appreciate it, even if you don’t agree with it- or I guess in your case, even if you don’t understand it.
…that no one uses but bored nerds.
Another nerds reference. Some serious resentment here. Anyway, I can learn from your post what bored cool guys do. They rage about what bored nerds do. You jelly?
"I have something 95 percent of all those All-Stars only wish they had: a World Series ring. If I had to choose between that and being an All-Star, it would be no contest. I’d grab the gold ring and never look back." -Tim Salmon
by BruinHalo on Sep 8, 2011 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
Hahahahaha
Wow!
Until the NFL uses these stats then they are truly meaningless, statistics in the NFL don’t hold nearly the same value as they do in other sports because in other sports there much more reliant on individual performances, no so in the NFL. So yes, stats are meaningless, thats why you never hear a coach talk about his quarterbacks QB rating or his YPA, but in baseball you hear the manager talk about his sluggers BA or his aces ERA.
You’re not going to win this, you’re obviously pist I shit on your hero’s.
Dude
I already won.
"I have something 95 percent of all those All-Stars only wish they had: a World Series ring. If I had to choose between that and being an All-Star, it would be no contest. I’d grab the gold ring and never look back." -Tim Salmon
Oh and by the way
none of Football Outsiders shit is meaningful that’s why it’s never referenced. It’s no different from the losers over at PFF. Remember their dumbass slogan? That front offices subscribe to them? Oh yeah, I bet Billy Devaney, Bill Belichick, and the rest of the NFL subscribe to a website run by idiots with internet names who watch TV broadcast versions of NFL games. Oh, yeah they most definitely take the word of some fat kid sitting in his underwear eating oreo’s and drinking chocolate milk watching a DVR version of the Rams@Raiders giving +2’s and -2’s. Be for real.
By the way, stats in football are terrible, go look at some of the greatest QB’s of all time, some of their “stats” are fucking horrid, yet they are considered some of the best ever. The NFL is a team based league, wins and losses are the only thing that matters. This money ball nonsense is for nerds trying to have a hand in determining who’s good and who’s not.
Maybe we need to reevaluate the best ever
History is always subject to revision and “best” is a term relative to the times.
"I have something 95 percent of all those All-Stars only wish they had: a World Series ring. If I had to choose between that and being an All-Star, it would be no contest. I’d grab the gold ring and never look back." -Tim Salmon
I'm cool

"I have something 95 percent of all those All-Stars only wish they had: a World Series ring. If I had to choose between that and being an All-Star, it would be no contest. I’d grab the gold ring and never look back." -Tim Salmon
by BruinHalo on Sep 8, 2011 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hahahaha
another fucking loser who cried and went to the mods and got my comments deleted….LMFAO
Did I hurt your feeling about you pussy father and unathletic past?
This blog has to be one of the worst, no wonder no one takes it seriously.
I didn't complain
I won this argument. It’s hard to be offended when I’m the one with the rec’s.
Personally, I wish you’d drop the bad language. Your posts when you put thought into them and write like an adult are really entertaining and high quality.
"I have something 95 percent of all those All-Stars only wish they had: a World Series ring. If I had to choose between that and being an All-Star, it would be no contest. I’d grab the gold ring and never look back." -Tim Salmon
I have to admit I don't like or agree with this prognosis.
But I can appreciate someone who can back up their prediction with some logical thinking. It wouldn’t be the first time a team overcame changes in the coaching staff to win their division. Martz did it here in ‘99 and at SF. McDaniels didn’t get to where he is by taking 3+ years before improvements were finally seen with his offenses. Dude may not be the best head coaching prospect, but he knows something about coordinating an offense and will work around the team’s weakness there to get better results.
Our TSamnumi offense is gonna wop the Eagles.
And we’re gonna go at LEAST 10-6. I don’t care bout no stinking facts.
In the cool still quiet hours of night, you can hear Eagles players softly uttering love words to themselves while kissing their hands and arms. "I am the Dream team-I am the Dream team"
Yeah...
It’s McFlurry.
"I have something 95 percent of all those All-Stars only wish they had: a World Series ring. If I had to choose between that and being an All-Star, it would be no contest. I’d grab the gold ring and never look back." -Tim Salmon
McFlurry is a little cup of ice cream with sprinkles on top.
Yea-that’s really going to scare the crap out of defenses. I can hear ESPN now-Sam didn’t have enough sprinkles on that one!!
In the cool still quiet hours of night, you can hear Eagles players softly uttering love words to themselves while kissing their hands and arms. "I am the Dream team-I am the Dream team"
Hmm
With MSW and Gibson on the outside and Amendola in the slot, it’s an Oreo McFlurry.
"I have something 95 percent of all those All-Stars only wish they had: a World Series ring. If I had to choose between that and being an All-Star, it would be no contest. I’d grab the gold ring and never look back." -Tim Salmon
hahaha-that's good Bruin-
In the cool still quiet hours of night, you can hear Eagles players softly uttering love words to themselves while kissing their hands and arms. "I am the Dream team-I am the Dream team"
It's on McD first of all, not Sam
Flurry: A sudden burst or commotion so McFlurry is a sudden burst of offense that leaves the defenders frozen in their tracks.
Not to mention you can get a brain freeze from one.
At least that’s what I think of when I hear the term.
I think of eating a McFlurry while sitting on a park bench feeding the pigeons.
In the cool still quiet hours of night, you can hear Eagles players softly uttering love words to themselves while kissing their hands and arms. "I am the Dream team-I am the Dream team"
It's actually a McDonald's snowstorm.
"I have something 95 percent of all those All-Stars only wish they had: a World Series ring. If I had to choose between that and being an All-Star, it would be no contest. I’d grab the gold ring and never look back." -Tim Salmon
Oh-ok, I don't dine at those upscale places, so I didn't know-
In the cool still quiet hours of night, you can hear Eagles players softly uttering love words to themselves while kissing their hands and arms. "I am the Dream team-I am the Dream team"
You should give it a shot
The plastic spoon with the giant handle really amplifies the classiness.
"I have something 95 percent of all those All-Stars only wish they had: a World Series ring. If I had to choose between that and being an All-Star, it would be no contest. I’d grab the gold ring and never look back." -Tim Salmon
U gots a spoon??
In the cool still quiet hours of night, you can hear Eagles players softly uttering love words to themselves while kissing their hands and arms. "I am the Dream team-I am the Dream team"
Well you don't have to use it.
"I have something 95 percent of all those All-Stars only wish they had: a World Series ring. If I had to choose between that and being an All-Star, it would be no contest. I’d grab the gold ring and never look back." -Tim Salmon
When Sam completes a big pass-
You don’t hear the fans screaming out the coaches name.
In the cool still quiet hours of night, you can hear Eagles players softly uttering love words to themselves while kissing their hands and arms. "I am the Dream team-I am the Dream team"
That would be hilarious
They should sell Spagnuolo and McDaniel’s polo shirts to dress like your favorite coach.
"I have something 95 percent of all those All-Stars only wish they had: a World Series ring. If I had to choose between that and being an All-Star, it would be no contest. I’d grab the gold ring and never look back." -Tim Salmon
by BruinHalo on Sep 8, 2011 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Polo shirts come complete with headsets-
In the cool still quiet hours of night, you can hear Eagles players softly uttering love words to themselves while kissing their hands and arms. "I am the Dream team-I am the Dream team"
The perfect gift for your dad or grandpa
Son: “So Pops, you’re obiviously too old and fat to wear a football jersey at the games. So I got you something more appropriate… an Andy Reid polo, complete with giant baggy pants and a headset!”
Father: “Oh son, you shouldn’t have.”
"I have something 95 percent of all those All-Stars only wish they had: a World Series ring. If I had to choose between that and being an All-Star, it would be no contest. I’d grab the gold ring and never look back." -Tim Salmon
I get my facts from the premier formula of:
Simplex Hits In Transformations
In the cool still quiet hours of night, you can hear Eagles players softly uttering love words to themselves while kissing their hands and arms. "I am the Dream team-I am the Dream team"
And you can claim to be Ryan Van Bibber if you want-
You’re still VanRam around on my corner of the universe-
In the cool still quiet hours of night, you can hear Eagles players softly uttering love words to themselves while kissing their hands and arms. "I am the Dream team-I am the Dream team"
I call shenanigans!
“For starters, there’s the plexiglass principle: The idea that teams that improve dramatically from one season to the next tend to settle back the third season.”
Hmm, I don’t think those 1999-00 Rams were a very good team. If this was an essay, Football Outsiders would receive an F for not being able to support what they write.
The 2009 Dolphins say hello
FO doesn’t provide concrete examples in this Q&A, but the evidence exists. You may also know the “plexiglass principle” as “regression to the mean.”
Teams can change overnight, but huge booms are typically followed by regression. That’s one reason why it’s so rare to see repeat champions.
I personally think the Rams are getting better, and the addition of Bradford along with the change in FO personnel was enough to make the 1-15 season more of an outlier than the 7-9 season.
"I have something 95 percent of all those All-Stars only wish they had: a World Series ring. If I had to choose between that and being an All-Star, it would be no contest. I’d grab the gold ring and never look back." -Tim Salmon
Excellent read Van, uh, er.. I mean Ryan
:-)
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Last years predictions
I looked them up hoping to mock them, and they were pretty close on everyone but Arizona, including picking SF last and projecting 6 wins for the Rams.
Injuries decimated Arizona
And this lol
"I have something 95 percent of all those All-Stars only wish they had: a World Series ring. If I had to choose between that and being an All-Star, it would be no contest. I’d grab the gold ring and never look back." -Tim Salmon
From the "Don't shoot the messenger" Department:
“Last I remembered, the 49ers have Nate Davis and he can play Quarterback. If Smith falters by Week 5 the 49ers will plug in Carr or Davis at QB. The offense will succeed. I know losing the center for a few weeks hurts, having Anthony Davis at RT will be a slow transition, but you have to be absolutely retarded to post something saying they will be last in the division.
“I’m a realistic person but I think it’s very unrealistic that the 49ers won’t make the playoffs. I mean are you kidding me? Gore and Westrbook in the backfield with Dixon? We’re like the Ravens except with WR’s that can move the ball downfield and a better TE.”
Comments from 9ers fans on last years’ predictions:
“The Niners will finish below the Rams in the division? Those high school dropouts and their ridiculous number crunching are as dumb as they get.”
“Now I know why they call themselves the "Outsiders" The outsiders should stay outside in the cold while we niner fans watch the playoffs this year after the best year since those glory days! The outsiders should use the out house to deposit their stupid S___T in instead of dropping their pants on these pages. What a bunch of steaming crap they are writing. The Niners will shine this year and take the division from the birds, rams and hawks and play well into the playoffs if not go to the BIG GAME.”
I guess every team has a DaFranchize
"I have something 95 percent of all those All-Stars only wish they had: a World Series ring. If I had to choose between that and being an All-Star, it would be no contest. I’d grab the gold ring and never look back." -Tim Salmon

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