Salas and Pettis
Greg Salas is slow (4.56 40 time at the combine, Blaine Gabbert was only slightly slower at 4.62), can't catch, and can't return punts. Can someone tell me what he IS good at? Also, if Salas is this bad, how bad is Pettis if he is behind Greg on the depth chart?
Everyone hated on Mardy Gilyard, but he never cost the Rams the way Salas did on Monday night. At the very least, Gilyard could catch punts. Personally, I'd rather have Gilyard than either Salas or Pettis. I have no idea how the Rams staff came to the conclusion that
The 2011 draft class, with the exception of Quinn, could be one of the worst in Rams' history because it looks like Kendricks can't catch either. Right now, I am very down on this draft class. For this year, it seems pretty obvious to me that we would have been much better off with Fells, Avery, and Gilyard, than Pettis, Salas, and Kendricks.It appears Josh McDaniels has worked his draft "magic" on the Rams just like he did with the Broncos. This class could make the 2006 class look good.
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The rookies will make mistakes that is to be expected Sam was an exception and
not the rule so I will give them at least 3 season’s before judging them. Now Marty Gilyard on the other hand was not a rookie in 2010 and yet he dropped ball’s in key play’s and fans make excuses for him. The rookies deserve some leeway because they have only played in 2 NFL GAMES in there entire life so far. I expect they will improve so calm down oh and what happened to MSW? He wasn’t anywhere near the ball during the NY Giant’s game either that or I just didn’t notice him.
by Freewheeler2 on Sep 21, 2011 11:01 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
You don't get
3 seasons to prove yourself. Gilyard didn’t get 3 seasons (he was a rookie in 2010).
Sims-Walker had 6 catches for 92 yards in the Giants game. While didn’t dominate (could have used him in the redzone), he had a pretty good game I thought.
Remember the great 2004 and 2005 Rams teams...
by Marmie is the best on Sep 21, 2011 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions
Gilyard was pure garbage
He couldn’t even crack the active roster when all our receivers were injured last year. He only caught 6 passes. He didn’t cost us any games because he wasn’t even good enough to get on the field. Avery I wish we would have kept, but what’s done is done. We need these rookies to get better, or we are going to have a real shitty couple of weeks coming up until Amendola and Clayton are back.
Two things about me will never change. I will always root for the Rams, and I will always root against the Niners.
Avery never got his 3rd season either
but apparently Salas has already cost us a game is better, when Avery won that Washington game for us 2 years ago with one of the worst Rams teams in recent memory
Seriously, he looked solid in that game.
Our only reliable receiver with Amendola gone.
Two things about me will never change. I will always root for the Rams, and I will always root against the Niners.
Down deep I'm wondering the same thing.
The one thing that puzzles me is how Kendricks looked like a rookie of the year candidate in the preseason and now after two games he has practically disappeared. I figured he would be heavily featured in our supposed “two tight end offense”. I am all about wait and see with Kendricks.
The Pettis / Salas thing, just the fact that we drafted those guys over all the other talent that was on the table pissed me off. But I have learned over the years that this is a staple of Rams war room stategy. As unimpressed as I was with the lack of production out of our 3rd and 4th round draft picks, I was really confused when we let go of Donnie Avery.
Just like Hoomanawanui did to me last year, these guys got to prove me wrong.
I'm suffering from an extreme case of laurinaitis!
I was unimpressed by
Kendricks in the pre-season. Most of his catches were on short routes and he had some drops in pre-season too.
I am usually very upbeat about the potential for out draft picks. I hope they prove me wrong, but these guys just do not seem to have the talent to play in the NFL.
Remember the great 2004 and 2005 Rams teams...
by Marmie is the best on Sep 21, 2011 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions
That's just stupid to say about Kendricks.
He was highly impressive in the preseason.
On the other hand, you’re right about their regular season production. They’ve all been abysmal. But we’ve got to give them some time to grow up. Can’t give up on them yet.
The truth is always the right answer....
by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Sep 21, 2011 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Kendricks will be good eventually
unfortunately we are in a situation where we need him to be good NOW. he doesn’t have the luxury to slowly develop, he needs to contribute. He has the talent, he just needs to get his head on straight.
Two things about me will never change. I will always root for the Rams, and I will always root against the Niners.
I agree.
He looks like a deer in headlights. Once the game slows down for him it’ll get better.
Interestingly, I noticed that the only ball he didn’t drop was the tough one where he had to go over the DB. Then he drops all the ones he’s open on.
Maybe if they put a 25 lb weight on his back, he won’t be able to get open, and he’ll make all the tough catches instead of making the easy ones?
The truth is always the right answer....
by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Sep 21, 2011 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions
How many rookie WRs are doing great now?
1. It’s hard for rookies period to do good their first year in the league period.
2. The Mardy Gilyard thing wasn’t just on field stuff. (I can’t talk about that, sense noone else has mentioned it.)
3. It was a LONG LOCKOUT
4. I’m sure it’s a difference from catching with your college QB and your NFL QB.
5. You have to worry about gettting open and catching the ball
6. The game is much faster, so that could cause worrying/dropping the ball.
It’s way too early to draw conclusions on the draft class. If anything at least kendricks and Salas showed they can get open.
Is that great man formally known as Tevin T. Broner, also I'm on twitter T_bron
can't talk about what coz no one has mentioned it?
do you mean the wrist injury, or the request to learn all 3 WR spots (Like Pettis is this year…), the late graduation/stupid NCAA rule… or something else?
fill us in maynn
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Something else
Off the field related matters, doesn’t matter now, because he’s gone.
Is that great man formally known as Tevin T. Broner, also I'm on twitter T_bron
by Tevin Broner on Sep 21, 2011 6:41 PM CDT up reply actions
I can name a few
Randall Cobb, Titus Young, Julio Jones, and AJ Green . There is no excuse not to CATCH the ball when it hits you in the hands. Now the timing being off or running the wrong route is understandable for a rookie not CATCHING!
2 games
I repeat, 2 games.
Kendricks will be fine. Made a great catch on Monday.
Salas- 4th round pick. 2nd game in the NFL. I don’t expect him to light the world on fire. As much as we all don’t like him right now, he shows that he is willing to get back out there and do it again right. Hopefully, he will get better from the motivation of not having another game like this.
Pettis- We will see. I wish we would have taken Mason Foster here, but you know what we didn’t. Give these guys some time.
We are all so desperate to win here, that we just go crazy if we lose. I will admit I do it too. Let’s all be rational. The Rams have some shit to work out. I feel that if we can stop the stupid mistakes and catch the ball, we are right there.
Sam Bradford
I know it is only
2 games, but let’s look at the total picture.
1. Salas had an unimpressive combine and an unimpressive pre-season.
2. He looked absolutely brutal against the Giants. He couldn’t hold onto anything.
3. His college career was played at a spread offense. Not that WRs coming out of spreads can’t be successful in the NFL, but it wasn’t like he showed that he can be successful in an NFL style offense.
And Pettis is BEHIND Salas on the depth chart.
Remember the great 2004 and 2005 Rams teams...
by Marmie is the best on Sep 21, 2011 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions
But if Salas would have caught the ball
Your 1 and 3 point would be moot. Amendola also dropped balls on special teams.
Pettis needs more time, usually rookie outside WR’s have more stuff to overcome
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by Tevin Broner on Sep 21, 2011 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions
But he didnt so his points are valid
What if Tye Hill or Alex Barron panned out?
It's 2 games vs. years
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by Tevin Broner on Sep 22, 2011 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions
lol iz you forreal?
2011 worst draft ever with the exception of quinn?
Firstly, this is the Rams. In order to be worst draft ever, you gotta beat 2008, or 2003 or 2002 or lord knows how many in which every round was a bust. Saying an exception is like saying Trent Dilfer is the greatest SUperbowl wwinning QB of all time exclusing Peyton, Brady, Elway, Aikman, Montana, Young… hell, even Doug WIlliams.
In addition to this absolutelky HORRENDOUS bit of hyperbole, is the fact that this is week 2 of the regular season of the 2011 draft class.
To top it off they barely had an offseason due to the lockout, so if any draft class has an excuse to look sucky and well, look like rookies, it’s this one.
I don’t know what it is, but there must be something incredibly satisfying about making yourself look stupid on the internet.
Regardless of why you do it, save it for youtube.
PS This is applicable to everyone who is acting like this loss was the worst thing in history btw. I’m not singling you out Marmie.
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2008
could be a decent draft. I still think Avery will be a very good WR. Vorbora and Chamberlain have given the Rams some decent production.
’06 and ’07 class were brutal. In ’02 we at least drafted one guy who made an NFL impact in Travis Fisher.
I thought ’03 was one of the better draft classes actually. Kennedy was a bust for us, but he is still playing. Then Pisa, Kevin Curtis, Sean McDonald and Scott Shanle. That is a pretty good haul in my opinion.
Remember the great 2004 and 2005 Rams teams...
by Marmie is the best on Sep 21, 2011 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions
They are...
1. Rookies
2. Rookies that had no training camp
3. Rookies that had no practice at returning punts on special teams
also, given the circumstances
Salas has caught 1 less ball in 2 games than Mardy has in his entire NFL Career!
While I understand the pressure to win now in the NFL…wanting to drop rookies and fire the head coach after 2 games…dont some of you guys think that may be just a tad bit…knee jerk?
- And here's the Rams' 2010 season in a series. Incomplete pass, 18-yard run, incomplete pass, 7-yard run, 5-yard pass, 3-yard run, sack, incomplete pass, punt. Shoot me. - 3K
I gotta disagree with Marmie as well!
many points have been brought up already, but I will reitterate some.
Chill on Salas. I was also pissed about the turnover from a botched punt return, along with some of the drops. Give the kid time to settle down and get his butterflies under control. i am willing to think that his sure handed career over the last 4 years will eventually translate to the next level. Not having the pre-season to properly acclimate to a new environment (offensivce scheme and QB throwing the ball) results in a learning curve.
You bring up his 40 time as a negative. We are not asking the guy to race DB’s down the field for 40 yards, we just want him to run his route well. Even with his lack of speed, the kid showed that he could get open. The fact that he ran his routes well and was able to find separation, was what I needed to see. Eventually, he will get comfortable and the fact that he already has a knack for getting open will really help out the offense.
I can’t even believe that you are making the comparison to Gilyard. Salas, in his first start and with his poor performance still had 4 receptions. There were two drops that he could have easily had. Mardy had 6 total receptions in 11 games last year. GET REAL GUY!
Spags likes to make rookies earn their way to the starting line up. Give this draft class some time to show that they can do it.
Hell, if we all followed your logic, we would already be discussing how crappy DE Quinn is. He didn’t even get to dress for week 1.
I have a feeling that you will reel back some of this reaction as time goes on.
The problem with Salas was that he was taking his eyes off the ball
before he had it. I don’t care how many butterflies you have, you don’t take your eyes off the ball before you catch and secure it. That’s not just rookie mistakes, that’s inexcusable mistakes by any wide receiver or punt returner under any circumstances. Receivers don’t take their eyes off the ball before they have it. He should have learned that in high school.
Salas sucked so bad
I got headaches everytime I saw him back to return. Ya can say he’s a rookie all you want but bottomed line like Marshall says if that ball touches your hands you catch it no if and or huge about it. Haven’t seen Pettis yet so can’t pass judgement and Kendricks made a great sideline catch verses Giants, he will be fine. Inactivate Salas and Activate Pettis…
Sam Bradford to Mike Sims-Walker
Kinda has a ring to it
by RG31 on Sep 21, 2011 2:23 PM CDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Over reaction on your part
Give them time to develop, remember how hard the competition is on the first half of this schedule. Rookies are going to look even worse than playing some other suck NFC west teams.
Actually I was being oh so serious about the headaches
And I get there is a learning curve but if the ball touches your hand on a pass then you catch it. No if and or buts about it. There’s no excuses for dropping punts that land right in your hand.
Sam Bradford to Mike Sims-Walker
Kinda has a ring to it
by RG31 on Sep 21, 2011 4:53 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Rookie WR's
UMMM, T. Ram – Taking Jones and Green out of the mix, that guy with the Packers looks pretty good catching passes and returning kicks. That being said, I think Salas may be alright. He is tied for third in rookie receptions which makes you wonder where he would be without the drops. As someone commented, at least he is getting open and is clearly being targeted by Sam. He probably wasn’t prepared to return punts in the NFL either. Tough to get your baptism on MNF. Now Pettis, that may be another topic altogether. That looks like another wasted pick just like Gilyard.
Eagles CB's and MNF, Marmie could you be any better under that pressure?
The play that killed us was made by Cadillac with his bone headed drop and lack of effort to even try and recover it. You play until you hear the whistle, not put your hands on your hips and watch the nail go deeper into the coffin.
Point the finger where it needs to be pointed, not at rookies being thrown to the wolves.
JMO
First you want to kiss me, then you want to kill me, BLOW
It seemed to me that all of our tight ends were missing against the Giants. The only one I really saw was Bajema, and I was not impress by his blocking, route running, or catching. Iron Mike I do not know where he was at all, and Kendricks was not catching the ball. I do not think he blocked well either, as the Giant rush from the out side got to Sam all night.
Having said this I still feel Kendricks is the reel deal.
Anyone know why Norwood was not returning kickoffs and punts? (knee?)
Whats wromg with our O line in the red zone?
In an interview I heard with spags
He said it was due to him being the second RB that night. He didn’t want to risk an injury to Norwood by returning kickoffs.
I noticed the Giants would just blitz the Rams whenever they went into that 2TE set
so the TEs had to stay in and block.
I agree on Kendricks, the one pass he did catch was super sweet and I never saw that he missed a block while I did see Bajema miss one.
Our Oline is terrible in the red zone. LOL! I hope the Rams can fix that.
- And here's the Rams' 2010 season in a series. Incomplete pass, 18-yard run, incomplete pass, 7-yard run, 5-yard pass, 3-yard run, sack, incomplete pass, punt. Shoot me. - 3K
I don't know how we know our OL is terrible in the red zone.
We get there and what do we do? We throw two fade passes and one outside run – from the one yard line! Why weren’t we stuffing it right up the middle? Let’s see if our OL has what it takes or not. Stop with the cute stuff and blast it in there. If our highly paid OL and our veteran RBs can’t gain one yard on three tries hitting the middle of the line, then none of them deserve to be out there, but we’ll never know unless we stop with the cute stuff and try hitting the line.
Not Fair
That this time last year everyone was slamming Mardy did we forget he got to camp late because he had that thing with his school? He was BASHED for learning the playbook even though he was a rookie who came from a simple playbook in college. He NEVER dropped passes like Salas has. He NEVER had the TARGETS that Salas has, & he was better on ST than Salas even though he didn’t have hella yardage or TDs how many Turnovers did he have. Mardy was NOT given a fair shot & I feel that he will be a Good Wideout in the league
by MyGirlMakesMeRamwiches on Sep 22, 2011 1:53 AM CDT reply actions
they got a limited training camp
and no real time to connect with sam bradford. greg salas is more of a power player for the slot. he does not need to be fast. some catches he could have caught but some were tough. against the giants one pass was underthrown and one was slightly overthrown. i am not blaming bradford but he didnt get the time and the pass was off. plus he were playing on national coverage with a lot to prove. Last year the whole rams team played pathetic on their national appearance and you expect the rookie to do better? i was a gilyard fan but he didn’t mess up the team because he wasn’t even playing. But the miffed punt lands squarely on salas’s shoulders, but i dont really think he should be retuning punts. pettis is the get up and catch it guy. why he isn’t playing i don’t know.
Another idea
I don’t know if it is true or not, but I bet people who think like Jason Whitlock have an idea why Salas is being given more of an opportunity to prove himself to the fans. Like I said, I don’t know if it is true, but I am confused as to why a 4th round pick (Gilyard) was dogged all year and 3rd round pick (Salas) has everyone willing to wait for him to develop.
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by Marmie is the best on Sep 22, 2011 1:05 PM CDT reply actions
True
And I knew that, but I did make a mistake there.
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by Marmie is the best on Sep 23, 2011 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions
Well Gilyard never could learn the playbook until the season was over.
In 2010 Gilyard played in 11 games, and had 6 receptions for 63 yards.
So far in two game Salas has 5 receptions for 48 yards, clearly he is already better even with all the drops.
And finaly who are you going to put in his place?
Pettis is not playing because he is learning all 3 WR positions, and is not ready yet.
definition of over reaction.
salas is a rookie. kendricks is a rookie…
you ever try playing on Monday Night Football, with every football fan in America watching you? If you’re on this site, then its probably safe to say you haven’t. I know I haven’t… but I’m pretty sure it’s a pressure/anxiety filled experience. Give the kid (Salas) a break, its two games into the season. Not to mention he played at Hawaii, which isn’t exactly a football hot spot in comparison with some of the other big time schools. Give these rookies time. They weren’t drafted for shits & giggles.
I hope
we don’t make the playoffs because even more people will be watching then!
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by Marmie is the best on Sep 22, 2011 10:12 PM CDT reply actions
counter that
i hope we do…we need every experience we need in the playoffs…besides im a fan till death i always go in with a positive attitude and beleive this team can win any game they prepare for.
2011 rookie class
go easy remember these guys have had it rough with the lockout preventing them to work with the team. they have had a very short period of time to adapt to the spotlight that is the NFL. Salas definately was a letdown on Monday you can tell he is petrified on the field right now needs to find his confidence. as for lance kendricks i really think this guy can shine after watcfhing him in the preseason he will do some big things
Seriously Marmie?
you hope we don’t make the playoffs? i hope you have a heart attack
I misstated what I meant
I should have said that Salas should we don’t make the playoffs because he’ll have even more people watching him (if you buy the excuse that he couldn’t catch the ball because a lot of people were watching him.)
I doubt anyone here would be willing to say, “Oh, Salas is just a rookie and lots of fans were watching that playoff game, so it’s ok that he kept dropping the football.”
I DO hope we make the playoffs.
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by Marmie is the best on Sep 23, 2011 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions
idk if you saw mnday night...
but towards the end..i remember clearly that salas caught a ball from bradford it was a 5 and out type of route and it was all HANDS.. no body… that shows u he can catch..i can see you love(d) mardy and its understandable.. its only a matter of being consitent now.. so just stand by
I saw that and
at the end he had a ball hit him in the chest and drop, too
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by Marmie is the best on Sep 23, 2011 9:05 PM CDT up reply actions
And
I was relatively indifferent to Gilyard; I just think everyone else should be consistent in their treatment of the rookies.
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by Marmie is the best on Sep 23, 2011 9:06 PM CDT up reply actions
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