The Hard Told Truth On Bulger

by Rams1990 on Sep 2, 2011 5:44 PM CDT

OK, now before i post anything i want everybody to know something first, i am in no way bashing a Rams hero. i grew up with the Greatest Show on Turf. i relive those days in my dreams. but towards the end of Kurt warners St. Louis career i think we can all agree that some things got a little fishy. And one thing i want to get across is that somebody appreciates Marc Bulger. I LOVED Marc, in my opinion he was one Helluva quarteback and was completely under-rated.

2002

Does Anybody remember towards the end of Kurts St. Louis days? In 2002 when the rams started off the season 0-5 under Warner and the incumbent Jamie Martin. Then the unknown Bulger came out of literally no where to take the Rams back into playoff contention at 5-5. Warner came back to go 0-2 before being injured for the season going 0-7 with 3 td's and 11 int's. whereas Bulger Finished the Season at 6-1 with 14 TD's and only 6 int's.

2003

Warner started off the season Earning his temporary nick name of Fumbilitis by hacing 6 fumbles in the opener against the Giants.Bulger had the GSOT temporarily return to greatness by winning 4 out of 5 games. By time warner was Healthy enough to return he had lost the starting job to Bulger, This being with Faulk injured for 5 weeks as well. Bulger led the Rams to finish with a 12-4 record and a First Round Bye in the playoffs.And Bulger finished the Season as Pro Bowl MVP

2004

The Rams become the first .500 team to ever Win a playoff game as Bulger finished the season with 21 TD's and 14 int's.

Last few years of his career, Bulger would go on to have a couple more decent season and a few Awful season riddled with Injuries as the Team around him quickly aged like Milk. Point being if you go back and watch it all over again, Bulger Won with The Rams when Warner was no longer able to. He Continued to Not only Survive under Scott Linehan but Succeed. He Earned his starting job and never gave up when it seemed there was no hope. He became injury prone behind an Offensive Line that was years past its prime.Final Point is that we all find it incredibly Easy to put a lot of blame on Bulger for being so incompetent and frail, But this could not be any further from the truth.

Finally, this is a shout out to Marc, I still support you man, i was sad to see you retire on a low note. But thankyou for several years of Fun Football.

2005

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I know where you're are coming from

I have never ‘HATED’ Bulger. I think he was a “pretty good” quarterback. However, we ruined him. We really ruined him. We gave him zero protection. After being absolutely brutilized year after year it finally took a toll. The last few years he was suffering from majore post traumatic stress disorder, flinching in the middle of a game when the closes guy on defense was five yards away. His time here had long run it’s course. Not because it was his fault, it wasn’t. It just was what it was and it was time to start anew.

by stlfan2004 on Sep 2, 2011 6:01 PM CDT reply actions

agreed

had it not been for Bulger’s fall, we would more than likely not have Sam Bradford. So luckily everything worked out

by Rams1990 on Sep 2, 2011 6:59 PM CDT up reply actions

Glad to see I'm not the only one with some sense here with regard to Bulger.

by StopSpe on Sep 2, 2011 6:04 PM CDT reply actions

thankyou

i hated hearing people talk bad about Bulger..

by Rams1990 on Sep 2, 2011 6:58 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs

@StopSpe

Slinging Sam...Man College announcers suck!

by RAMSALLTHEWAY on Sep 2, 2011 7:32 PM CDT up reply actions

Bro, You have a profile pic of DX...

Better get rid of that by tomorrow!

Slinging Sam...Man College announcers suck!

by RAMSALLTHEWAY on Sep 2, 2011 7:32 PM CDT up reply actions

I respect the man

and I regret the way things went for him, and for us, during those last years.

3443AZ

by 3443AZ on Sep 2, 2011 6:50 PM CDT reply actions

I liked Bulger

as a replacement. HOWEVER, look at the end of Bulger’s career in St.L. How can you say that our line ruined Bulger, but had no impact on Warner. Warner was better than Bulger could dream to be. Part of the GSOT was we had a BEAST line. Martz kinda screwed that and it cost us a great (Warner) and then a good (Bulger) QB. Where would Sam be without our line now? Anyone want the line we had for the 2003-2009 span? Sorry im biased, Warner is my hero (on the feild and off), Rams fan since i was 6 (1998, family has been die hard for hella long). Loved Bulger while he was here though. Imagine if he had a line?

by Rams#13Beast on Sep 2, 2011 7:08 PM CDT reply actions

disagree

i explained this pretty thoroughly. Warners last years with the Rams he was unable to win. so why was bulger? Warner goes 0-7 and bulger goes 6-1? warner throws 3 tds and 11 interceptions. Bulger throws 14 tds and 6 ints? they were behind the same line kid.. Do the Math.

by Rams1990 on Sep 2, 2011 7:28 PM CDT up reply actions

Why did Warner's career go up and Bulgers go down in the later years?

Bulger was good, but Warner was great IMO. This reminds me of the Montana vs Young debate; statistically you’d want Young, but Montana had magic Young never had. Bulger was good, but in the end we find out Warner was better. Of course this really comes down to opinions and little more IMO.

by RamsFan1979 on Sep 2, 2011 8:17 PM CDT up reply actions

Not Knockin warner

but the numbers show the truth. Bulger succeeded when Warner couldnt.

by Rams1990 on Sep 2, 2011 7:28 PM CDT reply actions

Plus Bulger continued to play behind that horrendous offensive line for 6 more years after warner couldnt take it. you are biased. this is true. because your not thinking. im not insulting you, im saying the numbers dont lie

by Rams1990 on Sep 2, 2011 7:29 PM CDT reply actions

Warner vs. Bulger

One of these men is likely to have his image permanently residing at a certain Canton, Ohio museum, the other will need to buy a ticket to get into this particular museum. I won’t give the answer away, I’ll leave that to the people reading the thread to sort out the riddle.

Life. I'll tell you what life is. Life is having a mother-in-law who sucks and a wife who don't. That's what life is.

-Rodney Dangerfield

by IdGladlySellMySoulJust2KeepTheRamsAlive on Sep 2, 2011 7:56 PM CDT reply actions

I'd like to offer a SUPERBOWL hint...

by RamsFan1979 on Sep 2, 2011 8:19 PM CDT up reply actions

agreed

i love Kurt Warner. he brought a Superbowl title to my home town. he is my hero. but there is no way in hell you cant say all three times he went to the Superbowl that he didn’t have a great team around him. you would have to be blind to say other wise. it wasn’t the greatest Kurt on Turf. it was the greatest show. it wasn’t just Kurt in Arizona, it was Kurt and Fitzgerald and Boldin. he always had great receivers around him when he succeeded. receivers who were also good without him.

by Rams1990 on Sep 2, 2011 8:18 PM CDT reply actions

glad to see the buzz!

btw, i love all of you guys, we share an amazing thing together!!! we all support the RAMS! i just love arguing about the rams with rams fans. that is so much more fun than arguing about the rams with these damn Huskers fans up here in NE and SD. i hate living up here!

by Rams1990 on Sep 2, 2011 8:30 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs

Aside from the heroics of 2002, I think Bulger suckled.

Yeah, some of his numbers look pretty good. But his record as a team leader is lousy. He’ll be forever 1-2 in the playoffs and a footnote in Ram’s history. The guy has no emotion or intensity. He couldn’t rally teams with players like Faulk, SJax, Bruce, Holt, Pace, etc to win anything.

Conversely, Kurt Warner is a hero, winner and a lock HOF. It was Mike Martz who failed to protect Warner and got him concussed and a busted pinkie so he could be mercilously discarded in favor of Bulger. Martz and Bulger deserve each other. That ugly 29-23 double OT playoff loss to Carolina in 2003 still sticks in my craw. We could only score one lousy TD in nearly 6 quarters…

And why does no one but me remember that when we last made the playoffs at 8-8, it was mainly because the Eagles only played their starters 1 series against us in Week 16 on MNF. They let us win. Else there would have been no playoffs.

Bulger took the Rams for 10’s of millions of $$$ and returned very little. The whole team did a 180 when Sam came onboard.

by RamChop on Sep 2, 2011 8:32 PM CDT reply actions

Concurrent posts.

I don’t think Bulger was awful. He did well with a good team. But he couldn’t pick a team up and lead them.

Warner could and did.

I can take a beating ... I'm a Rams fan.

by Midasknight on Sep 2, 2011 11:27 PM CDT up reply actions

Sigh.

Here’s the problem. Mike Martz. By 2003, Mike Martz stopped handing the ball off to Faulk when Warner was playing. When Warner’s in, they would throw, throw, throw … or should I say … let Warner get hit, let Warner get hit, let Warner get hit. Warner had health issues with his hands. Bulger comes in and they play balanced again. Hand off to Faulk, pass to Holt/Bruce, screen to Faulk, etc…Warner comes back and they run 10 times all game. WTF? Martz was then quoted (yes QUOTED) as saying that he has so much faith in Warner that he doesn’t run the ball when Warner is behind center. THAT IS STUPID MARTZ AT HIS FINEST!!! Then I start hearing about how Bulger can win when Warner can’t. Bullshit. The gameplan was TOTALLY different and Kurt was shafted.

I respected Bulger tremendously. It wasn’t his fault. But the fact is, Martz wasted the end of Faulk’s career (and a few productive years of Holt and Bruce) and mis-managed Warner (Hall of Fame caliber QB) worst than anybody has ever mismanaged a QB in the history of the NFL. And for what? His ego.

I swear, if I ever meet Mike Martz face to face I will punch him square in the nose.

I can take a beating ... I'm a Rams fan.

by Midasknight on Sep 2, 2011 11:24 PM CDT reply actions

Take a shot a Mad Mike for me too. He LOST SB XXXVI by underutilizing Marshall Faulk. The Pats could not stop him.

by RamChop on Sep 3, 2011 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions

still not seeing the truth...

Dude… Look back… In 2000 when Faulkner won MVP… warner went down. Trent green came in… Played amazing. That year, warner didn’t. Y did green? All I’m saying is warner ONLY played well when surrounded by a good team. Other wise he would have not been replaced by Bulger, Eli manning, and Matt leinart several times. Not all of those were his fault but if he is as amazing as everyone thinks that NEVER would have happened. I love warner but I am simply speaking the truth and people are letting there loyalness get the better of their mind. This is why people think Rams fans are delusional. Use your head sometimes and not just your heart.

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