NFL trade talk: The Rams' options for moving a receiver
St. Louis Rams fans celebrated the return of Mark Clayton. And why not? Clayton surprised everyone with some inspired play after joining the Rams last year. His impact on the team was obvious through the first quarter of the season. When he suffered a knee injury early in a game against the Lions last year, it demoralized the team, which folded for their most lopsided loss of the season. Clayton further complicates an already complex situation at wide receiver, putting some very viable players on the bubble. Naturally, the move prompted some trade talk in the chat-osphere. It merits some further analysis.
Rams GM Billy Devaney is no stranger to preseason trades. He acquired Clayton just days before the start of last season, a replacement for Donnie Avery. Perhaps more telling the situation at hand, Devaney possesses a real knack for trading away the dead weight from previous regimes.
I think a trade is very possible, but temper your expectations. Our excitement and analysis of the Rams receivers is not shared by far more practical front offices. None of the Rams' current group of receivers would fetch much in return, but something is better than the the absolute nothing that comes from a straight cut.
The most realistic trade chips at receiver are:
Brandon Gibson - Would the Rams really trade a guy who looks primed to breakout? Maybe. Gibson might be the most trade-worthy of any player on the roster, and the coaches might see a healthy Mark Clayton and Mike Sims-Walker as more than enough when paired with Danny Amendola and, maybe, a guy like Donnie Avery as fourth.
Mike Sims-Walker - Very unlikely that they trade MSW, given his favorable contract situation and early returns from practice and the preseason. Besides, a veteran with his potential is worth something to a team ready to compete, and I don't think the return would be significant enough to seriously consider it.
Danny Amendola - No way.
Donnie Avery - Now we're getting somewhere. Avery predates this coaching staff. Devaney was in his first year as a personnel guy with the team when they drafted him in the second round of the 2008 NFL Draft. That is a connection, but not one that runs deep enough to protect him when the coaches have this much say over personnel. There are plenty of teams out there who would be more than willing to take a chance on the potential he showed as a rookie and with a trio of terrible QBs in his second season. As far as a return, a fourth-round pick might be slightly optimistic, or perhaps a veteran corner for the depth chart.
Daranio Alexander - Surely you jest? I used to think that some team would grab him if the Rams tried to sneak him through waivers; now, I'm not so sure. He has way too many injury concerns, five to be exact, to fetch any kind of trade return.
Greg Salas/Austin Pettis - These guys might be the safest of the bunch. Any trade would net very little in return. Rookies, especially those not taken in the last two rounds of the draft, almost always get a mulligan. Mardy Gilyard got one last year, and these guys will too. Teams do not walk away from third and fourth round picks after a month of practice. It's almost foolish to think they would, even if they got a 7th round pick in trade. Think about it. I enjoy armchair GM'ing as much as the next guy, but you can only go so far down the rabbit hole before it turns absurd.
Mardy Gilyard - A possibility. He might be worth a sixth- or, more likely, a seventh-round pick, which would at least be something.
If you're looking at this from a cap space perspective, none of these guys offer much savings because none of them make very much money. MSW carries the biggest cap cost...at $1.2 million. Donnie Avery counts $1.09 million against the cap, which might make him vulnerable.
One final thought. Keep an eye on Pat Shurmur and the Browns. He knows these receivers and needs help. Also, could the Eagles be motivated to move CB Joselio Hanson? Regardless of what they say, they could use the salary cap space for DeSean Jackson. Of course, the Rams would have to work hard to find cap space themselves, not an easy task.
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Browns would take Avery, maybe not Gilyard
DX should go get that surgery the Rams offered and go to IR. That may be the only safe place in the league for him right now.
VanRam, here's a thought on Avery ...
If the Rams really wanted to trade him, you would think he would have gotten more reps in preseason with the first unit to show off his skills. Maybe that’s what they’ve been trying to do with Gilyard.
by Fullerton Rams Fan on Sep 1, 2011 1:46 PM CDT reply actions
I like you thought, but-
I think it all boils down to Amendola. I think the FO saw what Danny can do when fresh, and what happens to Danny when he has been pounded for a whole game. Spags wants someone else to take the burden of KO’s and PR’s off Danny’s back.
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Trade for a 7th rounder...?
Why am I the only person on here that’s hoping to build a successful team without too many 6-7th rounders and UDFA’s on the roster? Blowing draft picks and scraping the bottom of the barrel for players is what got us humbled to 1-15. No talent. Acquiring a 7th round pick is like betting a number on a roulette wheel. The odds are stacked against you. If Milyard’s only worth a 7th rounder now, to me it begs the question of why someone drafted him in the 4th round in a year when we picked 1st overall? Milyard and DX are goners. Nobody’s gonna give up anything for them cause they expect them to be cut anyway.
If there’s a market, now’s the time to trade Gibson based on hype and expectations. I’ll believe he’s good when he shows it in a real game. But we sure don’t want to trade him for 6-7th round picks. Better yet, Trade Gibson and picks 3-7 in 2012 for a true #1 WR. But, I don’t think anyone would take us up on that offer.
The way our recent drafts have worked out, I’d trade picks 3-7 for a 2nd. We’ve excelled in picking 2nd rounders and flopped miserably from there down. I much rather have a 1st and two 2nds that should be credible NFL starters than a bunch of also-rans…
Ok, I'll agree with you on a small part (I know!!)
6th and 7th rounders are soooo easy to be busts, hell, most people on here were saying that they didn’t expect much out of the 7th rounders that get cut….so why trade a “serviceable” player for someone that’s really likely to bust. In my opinion, it’s dumb.
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I agree with a lot of this
Except the part about no talent on later rounds. There’s just too many good players there, and many teams have guys they won’t part with that were drafted there (like a 6th round Brady or an undrafted Arian Foster…list goes on and on, they aren’t as rare as you’d think).
But I think DX is too unhealthy to play, and probably won’t be on the regular roster. Gilyard probably showed too little too late. He progressed but he needed to burst upon the scene and didn’t. Add to that Kendricks is probably going to get as many targets as an WR, and there you go.
Now with drafting future later picks….I’m torn. I wouldn;t trade them like you suggest, but then again if McDaniels is going to have a lot fo input, I’m concerned. His Tebow pick was a really bad move for Denver. So bad. If he does that to the Rams I’ll puke.
im going to take hell for this but anyways...
im not from mizzou, never followed there college gm’s, so im just not understanding all the hoopla over DX? really i dont? obviously i havent seen enough on my end to warrant everyone to see him grab a roster spot. all ive seen so far is a big wr, with bad knees. he’s shown me ‘flashes’ last yr, but so far hasnt showed me anything this yr so far. please help me out with this.
so far all ive read, and people posted to me were…“oh! he was a bad ass in college! youtube him!”…ok?…but my thing is…what has he done in the pro’s? again dx fans im not bashing him in any way, shape, or form, i just want to know what he has done so far this preseason, to warrant him a roster spot? bad knees and all?
I never watched him either in college
he’s huge and reminds me of detroits megatron (in this last movie, all broken and shit).
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I think the big if, is: IF he was healthy you would actually see what you're looking for
When healthy, he has a really good combo of size and speed, and has respectable hands ot go with that. I think that’s what people are trying to tell you with the youtube stuff…..problem is, I don’t know if he’ll ever be healthy again. 5 surgeries?
He didn't show flashes last year...
He showed that he can flat out produce. He had 3 of our top 5 receiving totals for the 2010 season. He had almost identicle stats as Clayton with only 2 starts (Clayton 5). I think he deserves a shot just on production alone. He Did last season while the others DIDN’T. Imagine what will happen when he is not just an injured rookie.
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I agree Danny is a "No Way", but...
… he has to be judged as having the highest trade value among our WRs. I’ve come to the conclusion that teams with a rookie QB with franchise potential needs a Amendola if they hope to start the QB his first year. They may try to make a WR they already have into a short range, reliable receiver or they could trade for one… A receiver like Danny can help a rookie QB keep his confidence as he learns the NFL world. I firmly believe Shurmur and Spags did exactly that last year for Sam and though it didn’t amount to a pile of yards or TDs, it worked like a charm and isn’t lost on others NFL OCs.
I’m a HUGE Amendola fan. Trading him would be an enormous mistake. Yet I wouldn’t be suprised to hear teams like Jacksonville and Carolina have offered good draft picks for him….
Point well taken-
And Danny has real over-value to teams with rookie QB’s to do just what you said. I hope the FO also realizes that we still have that need, at least until our own rookie replacement is up to speed and just as reliable. We should not trade Danny (yet) IMO.
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Maybe avery can blow them up tonight and then we can trade him to them. lol
They could sure use some help there but not sure they see it that way after letting msw get away.
??If Avery can blow teams away, why trade him?
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yeah, Zygmund isn't running the team anymore. remember, hbwb?
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I like avery
just saying if we was to get rid of we could get something for him.
Problem with that is
I don’t think anyone else can do his job. DX has the speed but isn’t healthy. Who else can make CB’s give a big cusion off the line, adding much needed empy yardage for TE/RB to get into?
From what I have seen, he's doing well
Doing his job, which is the be the threat of deep strike and keep Cornerbacks off the line of scrimmage (thereby thinning the D and creating empty real estate). I don’t believe it’s his job to get targeted the most overall.
Put it this way – if he’s looked at as something they can viably trade, he’s progressed over where he was last 2 years when that would not have been true.
But if they trade him, I’m not sure there’s anyone else on the roster who can command that cusion off the line, the cusion that was so sorely lakcing last year when the D was crowded up close to the line and stopping plays before they couldl get anywhere, so I think if they do trade him they better get someone who can do his job.
With just a reasonable deep threat guy they should be able to boost the team’s Avg Yards Per Pass. Amendola’s stat will benefit in particular.
So I'm flying from the bush back to Anchorage today (in 1.5 hors)
and will probably get to watch the rams game for the first time this year! Yesssssss.
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Thank you.
Some of these people don’t realize how absurd they sound when they say Pettis is a lock to get cut. That’s straight up stupid.
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As mostly a reader
I love when people say stuff like that. Lets me know I don’t have to read their posts for at least another few years until they figure it out.
I really don't know what's so hard to understand
If you cut Salas and or Pettis, you’re really throwing away your draft picks. How does that make any sense?
Let’s all hope we don’t hear another person say this absurdity!
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I cannot stand to watch and listen to Billy Devaney talk T_T
Agree, you cant cut your rookies, they both have potential & can play special teams. I ve been loud in sayin we need to give Avery & DX some time, with Clayton being 6 weeks away it muddies the water a little. Problem is these players only offer good trade oppurtunity if healthy & produce. I hate to think we ll just give them away for future 6th or 7th rounders. We re a week away from the season & i really dont know what they ll decide. I will say if MSW & Gibson step up & Kendricks is the real deal then this becomes a little less important of who the backups are.
Okay,
No one said he is 6 weeks away. In fact Mark would not say whats going to happen. They can stick him on the roster on Sat. I think we will find out after tonights game what the roster moves will be.
dude, he's on the PUP list.
That means not ready to go. They can move him to the roster on Sat but why? Leave him on the PUP, keep an extra WR on the active roster until they know who exactly they want to cut or trade. Don’t make the move until you have to. Smart people take their time to make a decision. Fools jump in feet first.
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by moy on Sep 1, 2011 6:27 PM CDT up reply actions
I'LL WEIGH IN WITH MY THOUGHTS TONIGHT
AS I HAVE BEEN PRETTY MUCH DEAD ON THE PAST 3 WEEKS……TOPPED OFF BY THE CLAYTON SIGNING YESTERDAY….JUST A HUNCH-AVERY WILL BE GONE—-BUT I’LL HAVE TO MUSE OVER IT A BIT..
Surgery for DX?
Perhaps DX would agree to the surgery that was talked about as being optional a couple weeks ago and we could move him to the PUP instead of cutting him. Giving us a few more weeks to see how some of the other guys pan out.
Seems like the best option to me if he wants to stick around. Otherwise based on the preseason he’s probably one of the guys we have to part ways with despite his potential.
After tonights performance
Gilyard is, at best, worth a conditional 2014 7th rounder.
something in the works?
Why resign Clayton unless you are working to trade someone?

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