St. Louis Rams 2011 53-man roster predictions: Offense
by Ryan Van Bibber on Aug 29, 2011 2:45 PM CDT
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The St. Louis Rams started took a step, four steps really, toward shaping their final 2011 53-man roster over the last 24 hours. They released four players, including veteran linebacker Na'il Diggs, on their way toward the mandated cut to 80 players by the end of the day tomorrow. This week, Turf Show Times is going to start looking further at the Rams roster, analyzing each position and the players most likely to make the final cut.
To get the party started, I'm going to throw out my projections for the final 53-man roster, breaking it down by offense and defense and offering a few thoughts on each position. Predicting the roster is mostly an exercise in futility since we outsiders are not privy to much more than what we see in the preseason games, but why let a trifling little matter like that stop us?
Teams have to cut down to 53-man rosters by Saturday, September 3. Of course, that final roster is subject to change between then and kickoff on September 11, as teams swap out players based on cuts made elsewhere around the league.
So, without further ado, Van Ram's personnel projections for the Rams' 2011 offense.
Another quick note before I begin. We're in new territory here. Last year's roster decision were in part shaped by weaknesses at certain positions. The defensive line, for instance, featured a number of role players behind the big three of Chris Long, James Hall and Fred Robbins. A more secure unit might not feature 10 players to start the season. The Rams also have a new offensive coordinator who will have his own opinions about which players and how many to keep at each position.
In parentheses next to each position, is the number of players the Rams started the season with at that position last year.
Quarterback (3)
Sam Bradford
A.J. Feeley
Thaddeus Lewis
An easy one. Sam Bradford will be the Rams starting quarterback probably for as long as he can stand up. Some wondered about parting ways with Feeley under a new OC, but a team with higher expectations needs a steady veteran to manage the offense should they be without Bradford for a game or two. Look for the backup QB to change next year, once Feeley's contract expires.
Running back (4)
Steven Jackson
Cadillac Williams
Jerious Norwood
Brit Miller
This positions speaks for itself. Only Miller's inclusion has the potential to raise a few eyebrows, if only because Josh McDaniels has never been a big full back guy in his past. Keith Toston has had a nice preseason, but running backs will be a dime a dozen once the final round of roster cuts are made. Because Toston was active for all 16 games last season, he is not eligible for the practice squad. I suspect Billy Devaney will find a running back who is eligible for the practice squad - remember they scouted a ton of backs in this year's draft class - and sign him to the practice squad.
Offensive line (8)
Rodger Saffold
Jacob Bell
Jason Brown
Harvey Dahl
Jason Smith
Adam Goldberg
Renardo Foster
Drew Miller
Versatility is the theme among the backups. For me, Fraley gets the nod just because of his experience at center. Quinn Ojinnaka has been snapping the ball some too, mostly in practice, but I haven't seen enough to judge whether or not he can be a legit backup center. Drew Miller? Yeah. He's had a better preseason than Hank Fraley, including some solid play against the Chiefs last week in the third quarter. The reality is that they'll probably keep a guy who can play guard as well. I'm assuming Miller can, but he lacks the NFL experience at that position that Fraley or Ojinnaka have. For now, he makes the cut. Look for an OL to be added to the practice squad too.
Tight end (4)
Lance Kendricks
Michael Hoomanawanui
Billy Bajema
Fendi Onobun
Right now, the bottom part of the tight end depth chart looks better to me than the bottom part of the wide receiver depth chart. Onobun has yet to wow anyone in the preseason, but has played solidly. Hoomanawanui's tendency for injury also makes it highly likely they keep four. Also, do not be at all surprised if someone else, someone McDaniels knows, gets picked up off waivers and replaces either Bajema or Onobun. Bajema's $1 million salary could be enticing if they need cap space for a cornerback.
Wide receiver (6)
Brandon Gibson
Danney Amendola
Mike Sims-Walker
Austin Pettis
Greg Salas
Mardy Gilyard
Before I launch into this, be sure to read Brick Top's take on the wide receiver race from yesterday. He and I differ a little on how this shakes out, which I think is fairly common. In fact, I challenge you to find two Rams fans with the same projections for wide receiver. Some explanation is due.
The first three are locks. Pettis has not impressed with his preseason play. He is, however, a third-round pick of the current administration. Jerome Murphy did not impress anyone last year, but he stuck around. Teams just don't walk away from third-round picks after a one camp and a locked out offseason. The Rams hung on to Mardy Gilyard last year, a fourth-round pick, despite his struggles. Pettis is a big man with good hands, a red zone weapon. He'll get experience as the year progresses. Don't look for a huge contribution though. Salas looks like a rookie in preseason play, but one worth hanging onto. Neither player would last on the practice squad.
My crystal ball sees special teams in Mardy Gilyard's immediate future. Like any crystal ball, you don't need it to know that; Gilyard has taken 80 percent of the kick and punt returns. Kick returns are mostly a throw away thing in today's NFL, but his work on the other side of special teams, as a gunner, has been outstanding. It reminds me a little of Dominique Curry, who wowed with his special teams play last year before going to IR after two games. Gilyard replaces Curry on this roster. I also need to point out that Gilyard is second on the team for receptions in preseason play, and has the versatility to play all three receivers spots, something the current administration values.
What about Donnie Avery and Danario Alexander? First and foremost, both predate the current offensive coordinator; Avery predates the entire administration. Pure speed is not a prized commodity in McDaniels' offense, never has been. I honestly look for Avery to be traded, though I don't expect much of a return. Given his experience in the league, Avery should have seized his opportunity this year. He has not done so, and merely solid play will not be enough to get him a roster spot.
Alexander has loads of talent to match loads of medical records on knee that has been under the knife five times. He will always be limited in what he can do, including special teams play. The Rams cannot keep a roster spot warm for a player that might see 15 percent of the team's snaps. It's possible, but I'm betting against it.
There are my predictions, laid out only so that I can be proven wrong in a week's time.
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Avery for Amendola.
Those are my WRs.
No need to bash me here though folks, we’ve already had this discussion. But I also like Avery.
The truth is always the right answer....
by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Aug 29, 2011 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions
This I wouldn't actually mind
SInce Salas is his replacement sooner or later…
Sam Bradford to Austin Pettis
Kinda has a ring to it
SOONER!!!
Maybe that’s a good pun / karma for SAM!?!?!?!?
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by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Aug 29, 2011 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Boy VanRam - you just don't like Donnie Avery do you?
I predict you will be eating crow when he makes the team!
by Fullerton Rams Fan on Aug 29, 2011 2:54 PM CDT reply actions
Avery
I think he makes the team. However he could be trade bait to Philly for Hansen. He fits the Jackson / Maclin mold out there. They love speed.
Trade Avery to Philly for Hansen?
Now that could be a possibility. I personally think this is going to be a break-out year for Donnie and I hope we keep him. I don’t see them cutting him outright, though.
by Fullerton Rams Fan on Aug 29, 2011 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Van, you have mentioned in quite a few articles about final cut day being Sep 5th.
I think it is actually Sep 3rd so you have lost two days of “predictions”.
Changes IMHO
QB(2) -Bradford & Feeley. Lewis likely to PS
OL-Swap Miller and put in Ojinnaka (good versatility), send Miller to PS.
WR(7)-add Avery. If they only stay at 6, replace Gilyard with Avery. Gilyard ST play at gunner has not been any more “exceptional” this preseason to Onobun’s last year. We also have plenty of “return” options at both punt and KO (think Pettis, Norwood, Amendola, Salas, Avery).
im not sure that lewis will last on PS
besides id rather have him out there than feeley
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by Buck Nasty87 on Aug 29, 2011 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions
You can when you have an established QB.
See Pats, Chargers, Colts, Saints and Ravens in 2010 running bulk of year with only 2 QB on 53 man roster as we did.
I Like RBramfan's edits.
And if you leave Lewis off the 53-man roster then you can add another WR. I say keep Alexander and go with 7 WRs. (But I can also see an argument to keep Gilyard over Alexander and put Alexander on IR.)
by Fullerton Rams Fan on Aug 29, 2011 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Sep. 3
that Saturday by the end of the day. I had the 5th stuck in my head for some reason. be glad i don’t have to remember your birthday
by Ryan Van Bibber on Aug 29, 2011 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Geee Whiskeers
I’m stuck in the middle my bday on the 4th haha..
by RamTX on Aug 29, 2011 4:19 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Is Salas....
…a return man? That is to say was he in college?
by MarshallMarshallMarshall on Aug 29, 2011 8:51 PM CDT up reply actions
No.
No kickoff returns and only 55 yards over his last two seasons on only 10 returns.
by Fullerton Rams Fan on Aug 30, 2011 12:03 AM CDT up reply actions
Gilyard over Avery? Our front office can't be that stupid
Avery is a solid receiver with potential to be a very good one. He has good hands and tremendous speed. While Gilyard brings very little to the receiver position. As for special teams, well with the new kickoff rules we barely even need a KR. Besides Gilyard could barely make it to the 20 yard line when he took it out. We might as well just put any receiver back there and let him knee it. And Danny or Norwood could return punts. Mark my words, if we let Donnie go now we will regret it.
"Emancipate yourself from mental slavery, none but ourselves can free our minds."
seemed to have pretty good hands to
I think he’s made 2 or 3 of the more impressive catches I’ve seen out of our receivers this preseason, and before his injury last year, he was more established then everyone but MSW on our roster. Letting him go now could be a huge mistake, whereas all I see us losing if we drop gilyard is a serviceable ST guy.
Two things about me will never change. I will always root for the Rams, and I will always root against the Niners.
PLEASE!
Besides amendola who is great at the slot and good as a return man and gibson who is at best decent every wr on our team is there for “potential” and I think avery has the best potential. We need a true #1 wr period espeacially since all the other teams in the west got one this year. As ram fans we are just guna have to keep our fingers crossed that we have a big suprise by one of our “if only” wr
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He can make all of these guys stars.
by Fullerton Rams Fan on Aug 29, 2011 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Keep Avery
If we cut or trade Avery, It comes done to wasted picks at 3 or 4 for the Rams. Picking equal to lesser value WR that we already had on our roster. Could of had Da’Quan Bowers in the 2nd and still picked up Kendricks in 3rd round.
Still arguing draft?
It’s an old argument that has no real fact to it. How do you know Kendricks would have lasted until the 3rd. The fact is you don’t and nobody here does either. And don’t use the argument “I heard no one had Kendricks rated into the 2nd round.” Because simply we don’t have the draft boards to every NFL team available for viewing. As far as cutting Avery, yes that would be a complete waste. Trading him for a good player is not. I would rather keep him over Gilyard, if Gilyard is really only going to play special teams.
Great post
Agree with you on draft boards and Avery. Although it seems strange to draft a TE in the 2nd round and WR 3rd and 4th, We have no clue how this draft is going to pan out. It’s all speculation.
Now if you want to debate the 2008 draft we will actually have some data and facts to work with.
by RoyaleWithCheeze on Aug 29, 2011 8:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Sorry to bring up draft argument
If the Rams believed Kendricks is a must have TE and didn’t think he’ll be there in the 3rd round and dont want to chance it… then draft him despite where he is slotted by pundits. That’s great, like the pick.
However, taking 3rd & 4th round receivers and now having to keep them on the roster because they are higher end drafts and not because they earned it is a problem. When your debating on Avery, a guy who was slotted as #1 receiver this time last year, will be cut or traded to hold on to these guys and not be able to give Avery time to get his confidence and feat under him is frustrating when those picks (potentially) could have helped us somewhere else.
We want to see guys like Avery, DX & Gilyard be successful Rams not foes.
You Make Good Sence
I cant see why some people are so blind. Pettis looked slow in college and now he look even slower in the NFL. The same for Salas. These young receivers have not prove anything so far. I do not understand why people is willing to get rid of Avery our fastest receiver and GIlyard who have shown in this preseason his ability to catch the football at the line of scrimmage make people miss and come up with first downs. I am tired of hearing in this system we do not need speed. There is going to be games where we are going to need over 14 points to win. Every team need play makers.
I wouldn't be unhappy with this
I like DX a lot because I went to Mizzou, but there is no way I can objectively argue he should be on the team. Still holding out hope though.
Gilyard over Avery is a little weird to me. I think Avery is an overrated WR who has trouble catching the ball if it doesn’t hit him in the chest. But then again that pretty much describes Gilyard too and at least Avery is fast. Either way i wouldn’t expect much from these guys so I’m not too concerned with who the bottom tier of our WRs our since we are going to be throwing to Gibson, MSW, and Amendola a vast majority of the time.
Watch these Avery highlights and count the number of times he actually extends his hands to catch the ball
Even when he lays out for a ball his traps it to his chest.
Avery is a track star, not a WR.
You use old college footage to make your point !?
If you showed some footage from his days here with the Rams I might listen to your argument, but that’s weak dude. He’s been in the NFL since 2008.
by Fullerton Rams Fan on Aug 29, 2011 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions
And hasn't done anything worthy of getting into a highlight video
He’s a bust, get over it. But I would still keep him over Avery. His speed does count for something
by King Sam Rules! on Aug 29, 2011 4:49 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
If I did an NFL highlights for Avery it would be very short
and he’s never looked better than he did in that HL anyways. That’s what got him drafted #1 WR of the draft.
We will see what happens
The guy played on a dysfunctional team in ‘08 and ’09. Last season he was our best WR in pre-season before his injury. I still think this is his breakout year. If you’re a Ram fan I’m sure you hope so too!
Only time will tell.
by Fullerton Rams Fan on Aug 29, 2011 6:22 PM CDT up reply actions
hahaha
I hope you weren’t using this to discredit Avery because to maintain speed on streaks, you catch like he does, and to maintain speed on slants along with shielding the ball from defenders, you catch like he does…There’s a reason his speed looks good, he knows how to keep it up…sigh
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Wouldnt be the way I would go Van Ram, but you are right on the money.
I think this is exactly how the Roster is going to shape out to be.
- And here's the Rams' 2010 season in a series. Incomplete pass, 18-yard run, incomplete pass, 7-yard run, 5-yard pass, 3-yard run, sack, incomplete pass, punt. Shoot me. - 3K
I say Avery stays
Dump Gilyard and DX if it comes down to we are only keeping 6 which means
1. MSW
2. Gibson/Avery
3. Pettis
Slot. Amendola/ Salas
Sam Bradford to Austin Pettis
Kinda has a ring to it
I think this would be the ideal configuration, but at this point with the regular season so close
the team isnt going to risk a hole in what is actually very very good kick coverage by getting rid of Gilyard.
- And here's the Rams' 2010 season in a series. Incomplete pass, 18-yard run, incomplete pass, 7-yard run, 5-yard pass, 3-yard run, sack, incomplete pass, punt. Shoot me. - 3K
In fact, if it were up to me, I would be even ballsier and dump Gilyard and avery and
get Clayton back, put Norwood on kick returns (hey tough shit your knee is healed earn your check LOL!) and start training up one of our CBs on coverage. MSW would then line up opposite gibby and then work Clayton in around mid season
then it would be
Amendola
MSW
Clayton
Gibson
Pettis
Salas
In whatever ranking they go in…that would be a solid WR corps with some depth as well.
- And here's the Rams' 2010 season in a series. Incomplete pass, 18-yard run, incomplete pass, 7-yard run, 5-yard pass, 3-yard run, sack, incomplete pass, punt. Shoot me. - 3K
But thats all king for a day shit, it will never happen.
- And here's the Rams' 2010 season in a series. Incomplete pass, 18-yard run, incomplete pass, 7-yard run, 5-yard pass, 3-yard run, sack, incomplete pass, punt. Shoot me. - 3K
Na I honestly perfer
Avery in there because of his Speed and he’s been pretty good so far in the Preseason.
Sam Bradford to Austin Pettis
Kinda has a ring to it
Looks OK, just put Gilyard in for Amendola.
LOL.
The truth is always the right answer....
by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Aug 30, 2011 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions
No no, we are trying to win football game here, not lose them! :P
- And here's the Rams' 2010 season in a series. Incomplete pass, 18-yard run, incomplete pass, 7-yard run, 5-yard pass, 3-yard run, sack, incomplete pass, punt. Shoot me. - 3K
Remember Last Year
When Clayton went down last year everybody was crying we have no down field speed. Now most of you are willing to pack the team with all of these slow receivers. You guys do not like big plays. Bradford stats will be 16 of 26 for 130 yards. When teams shut off our running game our passing game will look like a running game. 6 to 8 yards per pass. If Pettis or Salas get hurt this year lets see if you guys are ready to part ways with them next year. Gilyard have looked very good this year and should be given a chance.
Anyone notice how our recievers aren't stepping up
Where’s Coach Connors and others who said “why sign rice? We got Gibson”
by King Sam Rules! on Aug 29, 2011 4:45 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
I'm seeing something different - McD is holding back the offense until the real season begins.
This last game clearly was about establishing the run and winning the battle at the line of scrimmage so that’s why we didn’t see much passing. That run game really established the play-action pass as a result.
The Rams will spread the ball to several different receivers this season so who knows who will step up? I would like to see the yards per catch (YPC) numbers increase over last year. The WRs that have shown that ability in pre-season are:
Brandon Gibson 3 catches 36.0 YPC (One big play throws his stats off the charts)
Mike Sims-Walker 2 for 16.0
Donnie Avery 4 for 12.3
Danario Alexander 5 for 12.2
Mardy Gilyard 6 for 8.5
Greg Salas 5 for 8.4
Danny Amendola 6 for 6.3
Everyone loves Danny but his YPC is pathetic. Last year he was last among Rams receivers at 8.1. That’s why our passing attack was so anemic. We need WRs that will bring that number up if we want to leave the Pat Shurmur dink & dunk offense behind.
Danny Amendola’s 8.1 yards per catch in 2010 was the lowest average in NFL history for a wide receiver with at least 60 receptions – http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/4991/player?r=1
And who was in the top 5 among wide receivers with an 18.8 YPC average last season. Some guy named Brandon Lloyd that was coached by Josh McDaniels. Expect things to change when the regular season begins.
by Fullerton Rams Fan on Aug 29, 2011 5:56 PM CDT up reply actions
I tend to think a good slot receiver
can only be truly effective when the team can stretch the field. Our threat of a deep attack hasn’t been there. It’s not that Danny’s not capable, it’s simply that he catches it amongst LB’s who are immediately backed by CB’s or Safeties. Running a streak or deep post every once in a while certainly couldn’t hurt. Please, please, please let us see that this week!
Good point
We’ll see if Danny can improve this year with McD stretching the field.
by Fullerton Rams Fan on Aug 29, 2011 7:55 PM CDT up reply actions
McD will pull out all the stops ( an ol organ term ) when the game means something!
I think that this is the year that SB puts up at least 40 TDs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Go RAMs !!!
You couldn't be more right....
….that’s why Danny’s gonna get cut this year.
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by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Aug 30, 2011 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions
I was going to suggest that Danny should be cut instead of Avery, but thought I'd let someone else make that statement ...
With everyone saying Avery should be cut, I say why not cut Danny? He catches everything thrown his way and makes the gritty plays. If the other receivers open things up, maybe he can get more room to roam. But I wouldn’t rule anything out.
by Fullerton Rams Fan on Aug 30, 2011 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions
lol cant wait for the season
Avery will have the most rec ,yds, and tds on the team if not then we will not be very good. his speed will make this offense that much better
Rams Bulls and Mets allllllllll day also i do love white castle
He will help, but he's not that good
If speed meant that much, than Avery would be better than Jerry Rice
by King Sam Rules! on Aug 29, 2011 5:05 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Avery > DX > Gilyard
All have injury issues (Avery coming back from a bad knee, but looks 100%; DX always has a bad knee, but still is a bigger threat than Gilyard; Gilyard always has a hurt wrist and isn’t a very good receiver)
Avery gives the team a homerun threat at WR and a more veteran presence. I wouldn’t want him as a #1, but he serves well as a deep threat to keep safeties honest.
DX more than anyone else on the team, has #1 WR potential. Sadly, he doesn’t play enough to earn a starting spot, but I would welcome him as a big, fast receiver off the bench. He is good enough to start if healthy, but shouldn’t start crack the lineup unless he stays healthy for a while.
Gilyard has only decent speed, but he’s shifty and quick in tight spaces. He is NOT a good receiver, however.. Everyone was ready to cut him midway through last year when he STILL ran the wrong routes and dropped the ball, but now people are enamored with his talent. If I want a ST ace (Gilyard is not one by any stretch), then I say keep Curry and have Norwood return kicks.
This is all one man’s opinion, and I honestly, none of them has “earned” a spot during the preseason. Luckily, McD uses a system that gets results from #2 and #3 receivers. I just hope we keep the guy the fits the system best. I guess we should just wait it out and see who wins. May the best man fit win.
by WastedPotential on Aug 29, 2011 5:29 PM CDT reply actions
Hey Van
what about dropping Brit Miller (he played ok though), going with 7 WR’s and use one of our TE’s as a FB. Like you mentioned, McD isn’t known to use a pure FB and we did use a TE in the FB last year in some packages. My only concern about that is it may cause some problems if one of the TE’s gets injured.
Your roster prediction is extremely close to mine... with one notable exception.
Strongly agree that we gotta have 3 QB’s. Toston is toast. Fraley’s a goner and so is DX. My main difference is Milyard. I don’t think he’s needed for ST returns. We have Amendola and Norwood. And, as I’ve pointed out before, Mardy could actually hurt us if he actually gets on the field and becomes a designated target. I have visions of him running the wrong routes, turning inside when he’s supposed to go outside, and getting Sam INT’s or pick six. This crap philosophy about keeping draft picks that haven’t shown anything so the FO doesn’t look bad is just that; crap. In fact, I’ll say again that none of our receivers, save Amendola, thrills me at all. The failure to get Sam a #1 guy will bite us in a couple games this season and definitely if we make the playoffs.
The good things are he has explosive speed, but he is also a running back so he already
knows how to hang on to the foot ball when he gets the shit knocked out of him.
- And here's the Rams' 2010 season in a series. Incomplete pass, 18-yard run, incomplete pass, 7-yard run, 5-yard pass, 3-yard run, sack, incomplete pass, punt. Shoot me. - 3K
I guess what I'm asking is....
why they haven’t used him that role thus far. Short of him taking every return next game, I’m not certain what our plan is for the return game (if not Gilyard)
It could be because of his knee problems but I dont know.
- And here's the Rams' 2010 season in a series. Incomplete pass, 18-yard run, incomplete pass, 7-yard run, 5-yard pass, 3-yard run, sack, incomplete pass, punt. Shoot me. - 3K
I like the idea
Cadillac has panned out well (understatement). We don’t use Norwood as often as I’d like, but maybe I’m just anxious to see what he’s got. Wouldn’t hurt to see what he can do on special teams. I don’t see it happening though (yet)……to me, they’ve made it clear they want Gilyard to be the guy
Because BD/Spags are trying like crazy to find some reason to keep Milyard.
Since he can’t effectively learn and execute wide receivers running routes, ST’s is the ONLY place they can stick him. But we ain’t talkin’ Devon Hester here.
It isnt the returns, its coverage...its training a guy up to be close to as effective this late in
preseason. You would need to train up a gunner in a couple weeks. Shitty field position is one thing, letting desean jackson blow the first game of the season wide open is another.
That being said, I still think it might be worth the risk to dump this guy now and get one of our CBs to take his place and have norwood return kicks.
- And here's the Rams' 2010 season in a series. Incomplete pass, 18-yard run, incomplete pass, 7-yard run, 5-yard pass, 3-yard run, sack, incomplete pass, punt. Shoot me. - 3K
but that is just me...I think the coaching staff is keeping Gilyard no matter what.
- And here's the Rams' 2010 season in a series. Incomplete pass, 18-yard run, incomplete pass, 7-yard run, 5-yard pass, 3-yard run, sack, incomplete pass, punt. Shoot me. - 3K
They keep him at our peril IMO. Mark it down, if he gets in the game as a receiver, he hurts us.
But BD/Spags won’t admit they effed up a 4th round draft selection while picking 1st overall. That may be a coslty decision if Milyard continues to play like he has…
I feel this way also
but mardy isn’t gettin in a close game this year as a WR
If the beagles have the corner that we need ....
then what do they need, so we can trade. Both teams are close to the CAP, we could help them & they could in turn help us. One of their problems are the OL. We send them Goldbrick, who can play many positions along the Ol & we need their nickle CB!
Go RAMs !!!
What thrills you about Amendola Chop?
I can’t believe a dude who shoots as straight as you is blinded by a 5-10 white guy who has ZERO production.
It’s inconsistent with the legend that is RamChop.
The truth is always the right answer....
by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Aug 30, 2011 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Reminds me of Ricky Proehl... After Clayton got hurt he was the only guy on the team that could catch anything last year.
Avery was gone. Robinson, Milyard, Fells were terrible. And Gibson never looked good to me. He was the man until every team realized it and started doubling him up.
You mean the one single game last year (Game 5 after Clayton was injured) where he caught 12 balls for <100 yards?
So you meant he was the man for a single game as opposed to being the man for a couple of games, right?
Cause DX actually did that twice, which is twice as often as Danny did. And did you know that in 3 of the 6 games DX played he had more receiving yards than Danny did in 15 of his 16? And that in two of those six he had more yards than Danny did in all 16 games? And that in 6 games DX scored as many TDs as Danny did all year.
I’m not buying it dude. Cmon, is he really that good? Tell it like it is RamChop.
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by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Aug 30, 2011 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions
You keep talking about Amendola like he's a bad #1 WR. He isn't a #1...
… He’s a slot receiver, who ran the routes he was asked to run. You blame Amendola for a low after catch yardage? Look where he caught 98% of his passes- 5 to 8 yards off the line in the center of the field in the middle of the D crowded with guys. He caught passes and took hits that would have had other players crying for their mommies. Amendola is a tough, short yardage receiver who Sam could rely on game in and game out. Danny addresses a specific need on this offense and does it far better than anyone else can on the Ram roster.
Shea, you make valid points if Danny is a #1 or #2 WR. He’s not. You aren’t using the correct paradigm when you think about the roll Amendola plays. You’re analyzing Babe Ruth when you should be thinking Ozzie Smith. Danny won’t ever be a long ball threat, he lives life as a guy who reliably catches the ball in the middle, fielding everything thrown his way.
DX wouldn’t survive a single game catching the ball where Danny does. You talk about DX’s catch yardage average, but look at the length of each of his routes? One of DX’s routes add up to 2 or 3 of Danny’s. Again, each players success is based on the play they are asked to run. They do what they are asked to do, not for stats we fans view later and wonder why each play wasn’t for 40 yards or a TD.
DX, Avery, Gilyard all win a foot race with Amendola. If I could I’d ask each of them if they’d like to make a living catching passes where Danny does for a living, I have no doubt they’d roll their eyes after a squeamish look and say “Do I gotta?”.
Amendola has never been close to #1 WR. He's more like a 2-. But he can make clutch plays and stay reasonably healthy.
You will not see me favoring many UDFA’s.
The argument that....
…our receivers aren’t stepping up, to me, is misleading. We’ve spread the ball around. We’ve tried to get guys touches and looks to see what’s clicking in the new O. I think it’s a little bit by design that we haven’t seen a lot of separation between these guys. Which is why I think we’ll keep 7 and put Lewis on the PS and dress two QBs. Lewis has looked pretty good – so he might get nabbed – but you have to think we can find a PS body to run the O and be a developmental player.
Gilyard’s gonna make the team. You don’t put a guy back there for 80% of the KO and PR chores if you’re not getting him ready for the same role in the regular season. Pettis has looked shaky – but they will not cut a third-rounder this year… He’s going to need some seasoning, no doubt. Avery makes this team. All of this horseshit about ‘you don’t need to have pure speed in McD’s offense’ doesn’t mean he wouldn’t PREFER some pure speed. Bitch, please. The Pats O was insane with Moss – who had lost a step – but 23 TDs – stretching the field – 16-0 regular season… that team doesn’t do that without that added dimension. We don’t have Moss, and we don’t even have Brandon Lloyd – but we have some guys that can play. Gibson’s steady, MSW can stretch it some, Kendricks and Danny underneath, and Avery for X snaps a game to see if we can’t pop one. What’s that going to hurt? You MIGHT be surprised. And Salas, well, yeah, he could learn a lot from Danny and eventually take his job. But that won’t happen this year. Salas will spell him and maybe see some mop-up duty if we’re lucky enough to have any.
Anyway… all very interesting discussions/debate…
by MarshallMarshallMarshall on Aug 29, 2011 9:06 PM CDT reply actions
+1
I think we’ll keep 7 and put Lewis on the PS and dress two QBs
That seems to be the smart thing to do. With so much talent at WR we keep as many as we can.
All of this horseshit about ‘you don’t need to have pure speed in McD’s offense’ doesn’t mean he wouldn’t PREFER some pure speed. Bitch, please.
People make the same argument about him not needing a feature back … now he’s got SJ39. McD knows how to make the most of the talent he has to work with. He must feel like a kid in a candy store now!
and Avery for X snaps a game to see if we can’t pop one.
Yeah, you don’t let someone that fast get away in really only his 3rd season! This will be his break-out year – especially with Sam to throw him the ball.
by Fullerton Rams Fan on Aug 29, 2011 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions
I think you're right for the reason why Avery won't make it
he’s not a Spags guy (or a McD guy) and he’d really have to impress if Spags is gonna keep someone he didn’t bring in. I think there’s little doubt he’s one of the 5 best WR’s on our team right now, but since Spags has come in, that seems to take a backseat to a number of things (which I’m kinda confused about, but don’t mind). Like the topic, the comments, and the post. Good Job TST!
All you need in this life is ignorance and confidence, and then success is sure.
-Mark Twain
Don't get me wrong, I like Spags
But if Avery were to get cut I’d probably lump it in with OJ Atogwe and Will Witherspoon’s mysterious departures. The guys still had value, but for various reasons (not particularly related to performance) were let go. It hasn’t turned out bad, actually looks pretty good so far, just a little confusing.
All you need in this life is ignorance and confidence, and then success is sure.
-Mark Twain
Witherspoon deal netted us Gibson...
…Don’t forget. Conceivably (no WAY, right?!) our #1 WR. Witherspoon spanking Sam the other night was a reminder he can still play — but they must have liked Gibson’s upside (and lower salary) to deal WW.
by MarshallMarshallMarshall on Aug 29, 2011 11:15 PM CDT up reply actions
I see what you're saying.
There’ve been some moves I didn’t understand. But he’s building his team.
by Fullerton Rams Fan on Aug 29, 2011 11:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Wr
First Avery will make the team, and there has been talks about trading gilyard too
Van you're prediction is excellent
These guys have no credibility and we both know that, they obviously know less about the rams than they do women. Please dont take to heart what any of these MU and avery bias fools say, we go to training camp, we attend every Rams game, they are most likely the same idiots that were saying we should trade SJ39 for Darren McFadden in 08. Oh wait I forgot, none of them were on the bandwagon yet, they dont remember when TST was only one Vanram post a day. Excellent job, keep up the great work, all you other morons go read Howard Balzer or Tony Softi, if you even know who they are yet, i dont know if its a cool enough bandwagon for you fairweather rams fans to jump on yet. If you have a problem with what I say lets talk about it in person at a rams game, oh wait you guys dont actually go to those do you?
You...
…are a moron. Simply a discussion. VanRam may be right on, maybe not. You’re so old school and badass. Reminds me of the dumbass in Of Mice and Men… “Yeah what he said.”. Maybe offer up your own opinion instead of bashing other loyal fans who appreciate the discourse. Tool.
by MarshallMarshallMarshall on Aug 30, 2011 1:00 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Look-it ain't my fault if you can't get laid and wear attends.
I been with the Rams 2 years now, that’s all I need to be a true fan-
In the cool still quiet hours of night, you can hear Eagles players softly uttering love words to themselves while kissing their hands and arms. "I am a Dream-I am a Dream"
Aw, jumping in to defend Van. How cute.
Good thing he can actually handle criticism or disagreements, and without resorting to name-calling.
Wow. I've seen me some serious arse kissin' on here, but this one takes the cake.
Here’s your next TST author.
i SEE A WAY OUT .....
Go RAMs !!!
wilystyle
thinking he’s the #1 Rams fan and trying to suck VanRams C$#% for brownie points.
you go girl !
No Van, it should go like this:
Quarterback (2)
- Sam Bradford
- Thaddeus Lewis
Van is probably right in saying that they will keep Feely. However, I’d cut him if I were Devaney. Kronke will love him for saving that kind of cash money, haha. Though, I’m not sure if cutting him would buy them more cap room or not. If it does then I see this as a slam dunk, as this move would give the Rams the ability to go get a veteran nickleback via trade, or free agency when the roster cuts come down across the league this weekend. Though, I really do beleive that the Rams will definitely keep only 2 QB’s, even if that is Sam and A.J., on the 53-Man. I say this because of something that happened this offseason in the new CBA. Some people may not have caught this detail, but the 3rd quarterback rule was changed for this year and years going forward. In the past the 3rd quarterback was the 46th “active” player. I use quotes b/c he only became active if he entered the game, in which case the starter became inactive. This year they did away with that rule and are allowing teams to just flat out have 46 active players each week. This is important because it allows teams, who feel they can get away with only two QB’s, to have an extra active player each week that they did not have last season. I think the Rams will chose to keep a special teams ace like Dominique Curry, who seemingly has the ability to nearly block every single punt he dives after, over a third QB.
Running back (4)
- Steven Jackson
- Cadillac Williams
- Jerious Norwood
- Brit Miller
What Van said! Right on, bro.
Offensive line (8)
- Rodger Saffold
- Jacob Bell
- Jason Brown
- Harvey Dahl
- Jason Smith
- Adam Goldberg
- Hank Fraley
- Renardo Foster (Gameday Inactive)
Drew Miller (Practice Squad)
What Van said, for the most part.
Tight end (4)
- Lance Kendricks
- Michael Hoomanawanui
- Billy Bajema
- Fendi Onobun (Gameday Inactive, when Uh Oh is healthy)
What Van said!
Wide receiver (6)
- Brandon Gibson
- Danney Amendola
- Mike Sims-Walker
*Mardy Gilyard (backs up all 3 WR positions, Punt gunner)
*Dominique Curry (Special teams ace, Punt blocker)
*Greg Salas (Gameday inactive most weeks, assuming amendola is healthy) - Austin Pettis (Practice Squad)
- NOTE: DX, Avery (TRADE for whatever draft pick you can get, even if that is a seventh round a piece) I like Avery but I don’t see him doing enough on special teams to get a bottom of the roster spot at WR. Curry and Gilyard are too valuable in that respect and Salas is your project and future replacement for amendola. P.S. Salas is also going to be better than Danny too ;)
For the most part, what Van said. However, I don’t see anyone picking up Pettis on the practice squad. Mainly because he isn’t very good and not many teams had him rated higher than a fifth round pick on their draft boards. That combined with how bad he has looked, I highly doubt a team scooping him up and giving him a spot on their 53-Man.
A 7th round pick to us is worthless. That's how we got to be 1-15. Trying to play with a roster full of 6-7th rounders, UDFA's and castoffs.
Ya got to have real talent to win in the NFL. We’d have been infinitely better off the last 3 years if we’d traded all our 3-7 picks for another 2nd pick.
53 man roster
No way both rookie wr make it , one of them will be on the practice squad.
Pull out Brit Miller,Gilyard and Onobun
And add Clayton, Ojinnaka and Avery, and you have my offense
Wolf. Wolfgang Wolf
My final prediction on WRs
Donnie Avery
Mike Sims-Walker
Brandon Gibson
Danario Alexander
Danny Amendola
Mark Clayton (will be on PUP to start season)
Greg Salas
PS Austin Pettis, Mardy Gilyard
by Fullerton Rams Fan on Sep 2, 2011 8:51 AM CDT reply actions
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