3 easy steps to fixing the reciever situation
by Josh Wehrle on Aug 2, 2011 1:34 PM CDT
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PrintAs the only TST writer that has yet to post something this week, I figured it was about time I jumped back into the fold. Today I want to talk about the surplus of recivers that we have. Seeing as how we have twelve on the roster right now, at least five will have to go. See what I think should be done with the recievers after the jump.
Step 1: eliminate the players that are clearly training camp/preseason fodder.
With this step we can go ahead and cut Joe West, Greg Matthews, and Jalil Carter. I don't think any of these guys were brought in with the intention of them making the final roster anyway.
Step 2: See what the remaining nine recievers would bring back via trade, and then pull the trigger on the trade that brings back the most value.
The remaining recievers are Danario Alexander, Danny Amendola, Austin Pettis, Greg Salas, Mike Sims-Walker, Mardy Gilyard, Donnie Avery, Brandon Gibson, and Dominique Curry. Of these recivers, I think Amendola could potentially fetch a 3rd or 4th round pick, but he is also the most reliable reciever on the roster so I probably wouldn't trade him unless an offer just blew me away. I think we could get a 5th round pick for Avery or Gibson, so I would likely be trying to trade one of those two. I really like Gibson, but Avery's speed brings a dimension to the offense that we wouldn't have without him, so it looks like I'm trading Gibson in this pretend world of mine.
Step 3: cut the worst reciever and open the season with 7 on the active roster (remember we have a free roster spot because McDaniels doesn't keeep a fullback on the roster, he just uses a tight end as an H-back).
Some people on TST might think that the worst remaining reciever is Mardy Gilyard, and they might end up being right. However I am holding out hope that Mardy can get his act together this season and become a reliable threat for Bradford. Remember Mardy was a 4th round pick and this is just his second season so I think we should give him at least one more opportunity to prove his worth. I would cut Dominique Curry and put him on the practice squad. This leaves us with the following 7 recievers: Alexander, Sims-Walker, Amendola, Avery, Pettis, Salas, and Gilyard. I think that group could end up being dangerous with McDaniels and Bradford running things on offense. One last note: I like Mark Clayton, but apparently his knee is not okay yet, so I would not sign him, but I do think he will play for an NFL team this season.
What would you guys and gals do about the reciever situation?
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I agree with the players you have as our receivers going into the season.
I think they could be solid this year with those guys on the roster. ALOT better than last year. For some reason I have a feeling Pettis is going to break out this year and become a great option for Bradford, but that is just me!
I have heard that Gilyard has "wowed" the crowd in some practices...
yet I also heard he lined up wrong a few times. I hope he can get it together because I think he can be a decent WR.
Yea. I have mixed feelings on him
Most of the time I hate him but then I forget what he did in college and how good he can be. I’m reminded of his disappointing rookie season and how he can’t even learn a playbook of slant or curl.
Onobun > Gates
I think that maybe there were some personal problems we didnt know about
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keep in mind that it was with no pads and
that the team hasn’t had time to get back on the same page defensively.
Actually they were in pads yesterday.
Still looked good. And the defense was doing good against everyone. I doubt that they were only rusty for Gilyard. If he plays better than avery, then he is 6’1" and runs a 4.3 so keep him around. He flashes that ability to be crazy fun to watch with the football in his hands. Something that a lot of our receivers dont have. Plus, none of our receivers have had good rookie years since Avery. I think if he can get the playbook down he will be very valuable.
Not to mention he is not a true 6'1
That is a bolstered height listed. I have been told by people that have stood next to the guy that he is more like a true 5’11…with big hair.
I think
it’s harder for offenses to get back in sync together than it is defenses. That’s usually how it is in camps.
"I kind of stepped my swagger up. You look at the Madden game and the swagger's so low, maybe they'll bump me up. Before it was a meatball flex, so you've got to liven it up a little bit." - Animal Jr.
I wouldn't trade Gibson
people forget that he was a 2nd year player last year. He had 620 yards, which for an undrafted 2nd year player is pretty damn good. He is also entering his third year, which is a year a lot of young receivers take a huge step forward. Also Gibson is tearing it up in camp, so I believe that if he plays well in the preseason he deserves a spot. The only guy I would consider trading is Avery because he is 28 and could fetch a 4th rounder possibly.
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I really like Gibson
I just think at this point he’s expendable because of the MSW signing. I think we need Avery’s speed more than Gibson’s upside at this point
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Well why can't we keep both
I would have Danny, DX, Avery, Gibson, Petitis, Salas, and MSW as our WRs. I would try to put Mardy and Curry on the PS but they will both likely be picked up.
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undrafted and a low round pick
are almost one in the same, but thanks for correcting me
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I agree with you completely by the way
I loved Gibson since that first game he played on the Rams and picked up 90 yards or something. But I don’t think anyone would give up a 4th for Avery.
Steven Jackson .... Boss
I can't buy into it-
SKY is un-proven and injuries has kept him inactive a lot-he is not yet even a starter.
Spags will not even discuss trading Danny-it’s off the table.
To be subjective, leave your personal decisions about Mardy open-he’s blowing it every day in camp-there’s more, but I gotta go pee-beer ya’know.
Dude, Sky is automatically a starter
Cause outside DX, he is easily more talented than any of our other receivers. He’s gonna be like Clayton was last year, a receiver we pick up off a team that was wasting his talent an automatically gets better with Sam
by King Sam Rules! on Aug 2, 2011 1:49 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
that's my hope
I could see him being our number 1 if he can stay healthy, but I wouldn’t call him an automatic starter because he has had issues with health and the depth chart is incredibly crowded.
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That's where I differ from most
I don’t think we have much talent at the position
Amendola: all hustle
Gibson: he is my wild card, he is in his 3rd yr
Gilyard: talented, but an idiot
Salas: love this guy, Welker clone, but a rook
Pettis: have high hopes, but also a rook
DX: supremely talented, but has the knee
Avery: a track player trying to play WR
by King Sam Rules! on Aug 2, 2011 1:57 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I have to change my mind and go with you on SKY.
Maybe it was the beer, or the Pee, or both-this time of the day it’s the same.
I hope he's like Clayton.
Clayton is a really smart guy, don’t know if MSW will have that instant impact Mark did. Good news is Mike will also have more time with Sam before the season so maybe he will.
"I kind of stepped my swagger up. You look at the Madden game and the swagger's so low, maybe they'll bump me up. Before it was a meatball flex, so you've got to liven it up a little bit." - Animal Jr.
I agree we trade Avery or Gibson
and Curry goes to PS.
I’m also not sure we keep MSW unless he impresses. They won’t keep him just because they went out and signed him.
I can take a beating ... I'm a Rams fan.
I agree but I think he impresses
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But they will keep him because he is head and shoulders above our other recievers
Besides DX in terms of talent. Avery is a one trick pony (and not that impressive of one at that), Gilyards an idiot, Amendola is all hustle, Gibson is the wild card though, he could have a breakout year. And even though Salas and Pettis are talented, you can’t lean on a 3rd and 4th round pick
by King Sam Rules! on Aug 2, 2011 1:53 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
You don't give a guy a 3 million plus contract
to cut him, I think MSW is on the team no doubt
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I would prefer to keep Gibson
He is coming into his third year. He has shown some nice promise from a young receiving core. He has also shown that he is durable.
Even though he is not flashy, he finds ways to get open. I believe that with the talent around him improving, that he will also benefit from that.
He really
does get open, something no one else but Clayton showed last year. With DX, it wasn’t so much as getting open as it was just catching anything in his friggin’ area….until the Seattle game, of course.
"I kind of stepped my swagger up. You look at the Madden game and the swagger's so low, maybe they'll bump me up. Before it was a meatball flex, so you've got to liven it up a little bit." - Animal Jr.
I agree
Plus I’d be shocked if we’d get a 4th round pick for him. Seems to me he’s more valuable to us as depth on our practice squad than than what we’d get for him. The only way he gets traded is if ALL our recievers step it up and create an absolute logjam of talent that doesn’t go unnoticed by the League. I kind of view him as a dark horse favorite to make a surprise run at the last roster spot.
Yeah I wish Gilyard would quit being a retard
he can be really good – dumb, but good.
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I like
Gibby over Avery. Think Avery is the trade bait. Coaches aren’t even playing him with the first team so I think Gibson has a much better shot if it came down to those two.
"I kind of stepped my swagger up. You look at the Madden game and the swagger's so low, maybe they'll bump me up. Before it was a meatball flex, so you've got to liven it up a little bit." - Animal Jr.
Agreed...
Time to cut bait on Avery. Rams have too many injury prone WRs and Avery is the least-talented one of them (behind MSW and DX).
I think this is how it shakes out
- MSW
- Gibson
- Amendola
- DX
- Salas/Pettis/Gilyard
- Salas/Pettis/Gilyard
I think Avery likely gets traded or cut; MSW is a better version of everything Avery brings to the table minus straight-line speed. I just don’t see anywhere that Avery fits on the current roster. One of Salas/Pettis/Gilyard will go to the PS, the other two make the roster. Curry is a sure thing cut unless he is wearing his Cinderella shoes to camp.
DX, MSW, Avery (if he stays) all have big injury concerns. It is more likely than not that one of those guys gets hurt and misses extended time. When it happens, whichever one of Salas/Pettis/Gilyard was on the PS will get bumped to the active roster.
by Doughboy RAM on Aug 2, 2011 2:13 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Also I don't think they keep 7 WRs on active roster
More likely they keep an extra RB or OL IMO.
What RB do we have that would need protection to clear waivers?
Seems we have more potential tied up in our receivers. I’d assume we’ll either parley that into a trade or keep control of our players… A trade seems unlikely at this point.
I don't know,
our o-line only missed one start between the starters and Foster filled in nicely for that game. I think because WR has so much potential, they will keep 7.
"I kind of stepped my swagger up. You look at the Madden game and the swagger's so low, maybe they'll bump me up. Before it was a meatball flex, so you've got to liven it up a little bit." - Animal Jr.
Yup Doughy
I think Amendola & DX can be interchanged depending on the set and yardage. Slot v Speed route, respectively.
Salas/Pettis/Gilyard – One of these 3 equals practice squad.
Avery = traded. We’ll only get a 6th rounder due to his injury concerns.
If given the opportunity
trade Avery, he’s fast and should be able to bring us a decent draft pick. I have a strong feeling that Gibby’s gonna break out this yr. He ended last season well and if he’s getting better Bullseye’s gonna love him.
I really want to know how MSW looks when he gets on the practice field.
"SJAX" - The extra strength cleaner that fights off that Stubborn, Stingy Defense
I'm fired up to see what this offense is going to look like.
And I agree, Gibson will be seeing a lot his way, if he stays on the rooster.
"SJAX" - The extra strength cleaner that fights off that Stubborn, Stingy Defense
by moy on Aug 2, 2011 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions
We need players not draft picks!
There s more than a little pressure for this team to improve from last year. I don’t expect we’d trade a useful cog in our offense for future considerations.
Agreed
If you’re gonna trade Avery at least trade him for a decent LB or something. Screw the 6th round draft pick next year. That’s a waste IMO
I didn't even come close to saying trade Avery for a 6th rd pick.
That would just be stupid. I said or meant to say if given the opportunity to trade Avery, for a decent draft pick, like a third, then I’d make the trade. If we could get a decent LB for him, trade him. I’d be good with that also.
What really needs to be done is watch and see how this battle plays out in camp and then we can all make a more educated guess.
I said it before and I’ll say it again, because I like how it sounds, “Drill’em All, Let Spags Sort’em Out!”
"SJAX" - The extra strength cleaner that fights off that Stubborn, Stingy Defense
by moy on Aug 2, 2011 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions
A trade for a 4th rounder
would be great but not going to happen. We got a conditional 7th rounder for Greco rememeber.
Steven Jackson .... Boss
Hardly worth losing a player capable of being at least a legitimate back up.
We only trade if we run the risk of losing someone as we shuffle them to the PS.
I would like to see ....
what Pettis and Salas look like before I just throw them on the roster. I think you have two very similar receivers there, and we haven’t even seen them play at this level yet. I think it is a little crazy to get rid of Gibson, who finished strong and has been impressing at camp so far, in favor of either of these two guys. I think Gilyard has shown flashes, but I’m not guaranteeing him a spot just yet either. I also have a hard time believing that all of these guys are going to leave camp healthy. I would love to see what a healthy DX and Avery can do, but I’ll wait till the end of camp before I start trading away assets before I see these guys leaving camp healthy.
I think Amendola is the only receiver in camp that should have a guaranteed spot. I’m expecting a big step forward from Gibson, and I hope we see more than just flashes from MSW. I wouldn’t base any plans on DX being healthy for the entire season. I just don’t have faith in that. I feel the same way about Avery. Neither of those guys have shown that ability up to now. I hope 2 of Pettis, Salas, and Gilyard can establish themselves as viable options.
Amendola had to fight his way onto the roster
No way he’d ever believe his job wasn’t in jeopardy. Probably a big reason he’s a successful as he is. He’s fearless and works his a-s off.
IMO...
if clayton isnt gettn any better soon… sign Floyd
by Moneyy Mayweather on Aug 2, 2011 2:23 PM CDT reply actions
could be catchy with a 6'5" WR with a 6'2" WR w/ great speed from both...
X and Z: MSW, Floyd (Clayton), DX, Pettis
Slots: Avery, Amendola, Salas
PS: Gilyard
Gibson could be trade value for draft picks should we actually be able to make a trade for Osi Umenyiora
by Moneyy Mayweather on Aug 2, 2011 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions
We could keep 7 WR
and throw Curry in as a special teams fiend, leaving Gilyard on the PS.
Steven Jackson .... Boss
You're right, special teams is the other factor in this
Which of these guys could be productive there?
Curry was really doing well in ST last year, making tackles all over the place
Gilyard kinda struggled in return duties, while Amendola was the best returner we have had in years.
Steven Jackson .... Boss
Too Small...
He’s over 6’2" 200 and the most physically WR we have right now… This guy will NOT be seen on kick coverage… we have way too many DBs for that now
by Moneyy Mayweather on Aug 2, 2011 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Where did he even say Pettis was too small?
"I kind of stepped my swagger up. You look at the Madden game and the swagger's so low, maybe they'll bump me up. Before it was a meatball flex, so you've got to liven it up a little bit." - Animal Jr.
Pettis.
"I kind of stepped my swagger up. You look at the Madden game and the swagger's so low, maybe they'll bump me up. Before it was a meatball flex, so you've got to liven it up a little bit." - Animal Jr.
Who is the best receiver regarding special teams play?
Whichever one is the best will stay on the team. Basically, if you rank the receivers 1 -12 then the first 3 probably won’t see too much special teams play..after the that the best special teams player (maybe the two best special teams players) will make the squad. It would be a mistake to imagine we will keep the 7 best receivers…there’s more to it than that (money might come in to play as well).
doesnt matter
now that Norwood is supposably in, but easily Amendola den Curry… gilyard even faltered on ST at times as well
by Moneyy Mayweather on Aug 2, 2011 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions
I thought I was bringing something to the table :)
After I finished posting my last one I looked up and noticed I was 5 minutes too late…sorry for belaboring the point…
The faster you type around here, the better off you are
Otherwise you get to suck hind tit. Happens to me every time!
Tell me about it....
and me with my fumble-fingers don’t have a fat chance in hell to get it posted.
Just from the sheer number of comments on all the TST posts you can tell how football-starved we all are.
Oh and by the way, my thoughts are Spags/McDaniels is only going to bring 6 wideouts into the regular season. They may opt to have an extra TE, O-Lineman or D-Lineman but I don’t think they will carry 7 WRs.
It’s really too early to really say who of the main WRs they would keep but if you were to say the NFL were starting the regular season right here and now I’d have to say they go with Amendola, Pettis, Salas, Mike Sims-Walker, Avery, Gibson. Alexander and Gilyard would be on the bubble with Curry and Clayton (due to his knee) are gone.
Go Rams!
"We can't run. We can't pass. We can't stop the run. We can't stop the pass. We can't kick. Other than that, we're just not a very good football team right now." --- Bruce Coslett, New York Jets Head Coach circa 1990s
I think after cutting down to 9 we trade no one
Well PS the guy least likely to get picked up by another team. Then at least 2 will go to IR to protect them until injuries make it necessary to activate them.
Wolf. Wolfgang Wolf
We may even IR 3
if not, I’m thinking Curry to PS where he won’t last more than 1 regular season week.
Wolf. Wolfgang Wolf
I'm not sure I'm reading you right db.
A team can IR someone before the season starts without them being hurt? Or are you saying we’ll probably have up to three guys hitting the IR before the season starts. The latter would suck. Sucks to even think that.
"SJAX" - The extra strength cleaner that fights off that Stubborn, Stingy Defense
by moy on Aug 2, 2011 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe I'm getting IR mixed up with DL
or PUP I ‘m thinkin there’s another way to protect players this way. I may be wrong.
Wolf. Wolfgang Wolf
Okay, that sounds right then.
You had my hamster wheel spinning like crazy.
"SJAX" - The extra strength cleaner that fights off that Stubborn, Stingy Defense
by moy on Aug 2, 2011 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Jalil Carter could be a keeper if only for Spec.Teams
4.3 speed who played both WR and safety in college
And "GHT" people always forget that one. = P
"SJAX" - The extra strength cleaner that fights off that Stubborn, Stingy Defense
by moy on Aug 2, 2011 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions
must have been a typo lol
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Great Work!
Now that’s sorted, can you get to work on the Outside Linebacker issue and get us Snelling and Norwood?
huh
Avery would have been gone a long time ago if this organization didn’t think he had something. And you are talking about trading Amendola, our scrappiest and most reliable guy, and keeping Gilyard, a dude who couldn’t even learn Shurmur’s playbook? Get off the crack!
I said Amendola would fetch the highest pick
I would only trade him for a 1st or 2nd rounder lol
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I'm just glad the FO hasn't thought about it
The teams that would most benefit from Danny (ones with rookie QBs that could use his short pattern strengths) don’t really have players we covet.
Yea msw
Gone b our #1 wideout.
(Love by many hated by most) St. Louis Rams
by J-RAD2 on Aug 2, 2011 5:46 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Ok, I will stickup for Curry cause I saw him block in the preseason and he is not afraid
to mix it up with anyone on the field.
I havent seen anything that impresses me about Gilyard…I suppose since he was a 4th rounder, you want a return on that investment…I dont even care that he didnt know the playbook or whatever last year…he fumbled the ball frequently, dropped passes and didnt show that blazing speed he is supposed to have.
Whereas I saw Curry knock a guy backwards 4 feet so that he could come off and engage a second guy coming down the sideline at full speed on special teams! That would be a guy I am more willing to teach how to catch and how to run.
- And here's the Rams' 2010 season in a series. Incomplete pass, 18-yard run, incomplete pass, 7-yard run, 5-yard pass, 3-yard run, sack, incomplete pass, punt. Shoot me. - 3K
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