Sam Bradford's rookie season: Overrated, but so what
If you read Turf Show Times regularly, then you should be familiar with our feelings about St. Louis Rams QB Sam Bradford. We like him. Very much. Of course, anyone anointed the savior of a moribund franchise who does nothing to disprove that in his rookie year, generally tends to get some love from fans. Call us crazy, point to our low standards, but we like watching a QB do something beside get pounded into the ground and throw INTs....oh, the shame.
That said, I don't think anyone here would put Sam Bradford's Rookie of the Year season on par with the greatest seasons in NFL history, even for rookie quarterbacks. Today at Pro Football Reference there's an article dealing with Sam Bradford's rookie season, putting it into context with other QB performances. "Sam Bradford's rookie season has been incredibly overrated" focuses on Bradford's statistical output, contending that he threw a lot, hence the yardage and record for completions, but the overall impact of Bradford on the Rams' final record was overstated and his statistical performance was more a function of quantity over quality.
In his eagerness to pee on fan enthusiasm, the author of this post misses something, several things really, even while the overall thesis of his argument isn't far off the mark. Let's discuss.
The Rams offense scored a meager 18.1 points per game. That's a full touchdown better than the season before, but still among the six lowest totals in the league. Throw in the Rams walkthrough schedule and it looks even worse. No rational person would point the Rams offense last year and then claim they were a functioning unit.
I also think you'd be hard pressed to find a Rams fan who enjoyed the check down offense. It made for dull football and an offense that could only move in fits and starts rather than the with rhythm of truly effective offenses. The author at PFR uses that dink and dunk as a key point in declaring Bradford overrated.
But Bradford's completions record is misleading in a different way: it hides the fact that he was Captain Dink and Dunk. Bradford and Jimmy Claussen were the only two quarterbacks last season to average fewer than 10 yards per completion. We shouldn't care about Bradford's completions or completion percentage if he's making lots of easy throws.
What about yards per attempt? Bradford ranked 55th of 70 quarterbacks since the merger in Yards per Attempt adjusted for era; without adjusting for era, he was still only 50th in plain old yards per attempt.
That should come as no surprise to anyone, those poor YPA numbers. Why, oh why, did the Rams dink and dunk like that so often last year? Two main reasons, one of which the PFR author touches on, 1) the coaching decisions, and 2) talent.
Many fans blame offensive coordinator Pat Shurmur for the glorified handoffs, but the reality is that head coach Steve Spagnuolo wanted it that way and conspired with his OC to make it happen. Spagnuolo, a defensive guy, had a much improved defense that took advantage of a weak schedule. It was also a more experienced unit, led by a core of players familiar with it. Spags never made it a secret that he preferred to let his defense hold a lead, no matter how small that lead was and regardless of the holes in the defense.
Maturation also factored into the coaches' handling of Bradford. A rather significant investment, Bradford was obviously their best option to quarterback the Rams offense. Since he was also training on the job and missed the bulk of his college season the year before, the Rams were even more cautious with Bradford.
Before we get to the obvious point about receivers, let's talk about the offensive line and the running game. Unlike Matt Ryan in Atlanta, Bradford didn't have a great running game to pair with him. He had a good running back in Steven Jackson, but an offensive line that was not good at opening running lanes, not at all. The Rams prioritized pass blocking over run blocking, evident in the decision to start Adam Goldberg at RG. That allowed for more protection for Bradford, but a difficult working environment for Jackson.
On the edges, Bradford was protected by a rookie and a quasi-rookie. His offensive tackles have talent and played well last year, but still didn't consistently allow Bradford the kind of time in the pocket necessary to complete long passes to slow receivers.
And speaking of those receivers, they were terrible. Mr. Consistency was Danny Amendola, who became Bradford's favorite target because he could be counted on to catch those quick short passes, unlike other receivers who struggled with routes and separating themselves in coverage. The PFR post gets to this point, very tacitly.
Let's be fair: we've left one part out of the analysis so far, and that's Bradford's supporting cast. Let's just assume for the sake of argument that St. Louis had the worst supporting cast in the league. (Of course, rookie Colt McCoy averaged 5.9 NY/A with a similarly ugly cast in Cleveland). But even if Bradford had the worst collection of receivers and tight ends that any quarterback was forced to play with, Bradford's Rams also faced the easiest schedule of any team in the league. So Bradford's stats reflect him playing with garbage teammates against garbage opponents. In that light, it's hard for me to say he was much better than his stats.
By that logic, Bradford's receivers were no excuse because they played against poor competition. (Also worth noting is that Peyton Hillis was a more effective RB than SJ last year, thanks in part to a better OL). This is where defense-adjusted stats come in handy. Let's go to a piece from Football Outsiders' Mike Tanier, one he wrote on Bradford last December just before the Rams' week 17 loss.
In the piece Tanier points out just how bad the Rams receivers were last year. Nobody on the roster at the start of the season had ever produced a 1,000-yard receiving season or even had more than 50 receptions in the NFL, with the exception of Mark Clayton.
Beyond the lack of experience, Tanier points out the Rams' weakness at receiver last year using defense-adjust stats, numbers that do account for the schedule the Rams played last year.
There is no good way to adjust for the weakness of the Rams' receiving corps, but we can make some quick-and-dirty guesses. Hines Ward's DYAR [defense-adjusted yards above replacement] in 2004 was 325, meaning that he gained 325 yards that a journeyman receiver wouldn't gain in the same situation. Replace Ward with Brandon Gibson, and Roethlisberger's DYAR dips to 605. Replace Roddy White with Amendola in 2008, and Ryan's DYAR falls to 768. Take away Derrick Mason, and Flacco's DYAR falls to 134. Take away Bradford's best receiver and nothing happens, because Bradford's best receivers grade out as league-minimum starters.
It wasn't just a coincidence that stat folks and pundits alike clamored for the Rams to find a No. 1 receiver this year. It's a legitimate need, that the Rams elected to fill instead with TE Lance Kendricks, free agent WR Mike Sims-Walker and upgrades elsewhere around the roster. This year's plans aside, it's pretty tough, especially after watching game tape from last year, to argue that the Rams receivers didn't significantly change the scope of the Rams offense last year.
What's funny about this is that the PFR post links to Tanier's article, ignoring the context about the talent at WR and TE that Bradford had to work with last year. That's a big oversight when making a claim such as this one.
I'm almost at 1,300 words, down the rabbit hole to say the least. I need to cut bait while I'm still coherent. Bradford's rookie season did generate more than its fair share of hyperbole, and I love that the PFR piece cites none other than Peter King, an excellent writer, but also pro football's largest hyperbole pusher.
I certainly won't tell you that Sam Bradford's stats alone represent an amazing season for the record books. In fact, had the official NFL ROY awards not differentiated between offense and defense, Ndamukong Suh would have completely swept the rookie awards. None of that takes away from the fact that Bradford is a very good QB, albeit one who has much left to prove.
Judging football players and performances requires context as much as anything. The PFR piece skirted some necessary context in judging Bradford's rookie season, even if his overall idea wasn't far off the mark. Let the pundits get carried away. I try to provide context, but at the end of day, I'm a Rams fan too. And as a Rams' fan, it was pretty hard not to get excited about what Sam Bradford did last season, even if it wasn't particularly impressive statistically, because of what it means for the future of a team so desperate to start winning again. Overrated? Sure, but so what. If we didn't inflate meaning at least a little there wouldn't be much need for fandom.
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Wow
Interceptions
Bradford’s interception rate was great. But we’ve argued more than enough times on this blog that INT rate is largely random, so I’m not going to give him much credit for that, especially in light of the conservative passing offense the Rams had last year.
I knew there was a reason I don’t read his stuff. INT rate is largely random? We don’t give QBs credit for reading the defense correctly, putting the throw where it should be, and not just haphazardly throwing it up?
THIS year's the year. I hope....
He probably means either
1) There is little to no correlation game-to-game in terms of interception rate
or
2) There is little to no correlation season-to-season in terms of interception rate.
Either way, it’s imprudent to write somebody off, when they have objective data proving otherwise.
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He can
be a statistician all he wants, but if you’re writing; word choice is important. Considering I hadn’t seen his piece on interceptions, I had no desire to read it after reading the word “random”.
Additionally, while sabermetrics have a place in baseball (where a game is won/lost by single players) I find that the thing that statisticians have no room for (or should I say no quantitative value) are leadership and organizational skills. Calling the correct plays in the huddle, making sure receivers are lined up, etc.. Football is a team sport, and a team can’t win without a common purpose, and 11 people on the field making correct decisions and covering for each others mistakes, and taking advantage of each other’s successes. Not really quantifiable, but still the way that QBs like Trent Dilfer can win a Superbowl.
Done ranting.
THIS year's the year. I hope....
I agree with the point on intangibles, leadership, all of that. They're important, they're just not quantifiable into on-field numbers
And it’s ignorant to say that statistical study doesn’t have a place in all sports. Maybe we won’t have the level of descriptiveness that we see in baseball; that’s fine. In baseball, if our gut tells us with 40% certainty, stats might tell us with 90% certainty. In football, stats might only tell us with 60% certainty, but there is still an inefficiency and an advantage to be gained from that. I apologize if I misread your point on that.
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Not at all over-rated considering the quality of the receivers he was throwing too.
That’s what worries me most about this year. Can anybody depend on MSW, Avery, DX or Clayton to be fit to play ball in a few weeks? I can’t imagine starting the season against the Eagles with Gibson, who I thought would get cut, as our #1 WR. Swap a couple 2012 draft picks for a good WR and work him into the system quick!!!
chop i pray that arizona tanks this season, in hopes of a disgruntled larry fitz...
it would be a long shot trying to trade in the division but hell! if the stars aligned, and this senario happended, send the cards a 1st round pick, ot a 2nd rounder, and nab larry fitz. no people im not drunk or naything! lol his contract is up at the end of the season. and arizona still havent made him an offer.
by Mark Jaramillo on Aug 16, 2011 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions
I personally
don’t think he signs an extension until after the season, where he’ll see if there is a legit future or not. Since I think Kolb sucks horribly, I don’t think there will be, and I hope that he’s a Ram next year. God, please let it happen.
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I think his season was a bit overrated
largely because people who didn’t watch Rams football started pimping off his success in the media. By us at TST? It’s not overrating; it’s fandom.
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by 3k on Aug 16, 2011 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
your right on 3K
it’s the guys in the media who just blindly say that Bradford had a great year. We at TST say he had a great ROOKIE YEAR. There’s a big difference in what we say and what the guys in the media say
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And he gives every indication that he's gonna keep getting better year after year....
….just like he got better game after game last year.
The truth is always the right answer....
by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Aug 16, 2011 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions
They did not account for a large part of a quarterbacks success
They mentioned the poor receivers he had to throw to but they failed to mention the lack of a running game – which was pathetic by any standards. Bradford was handcuffed at every turn; average pass blocking, dismal run blocking and the 31st or 32nd receiving corps in the league. I had high hopes for this year but injuries and lack of production are making me wonder if Bradford will not have the same problem this year. No MSW, Avery, Ho Oh, Salas, Dx’s bad knee, Marty’s brain farts, and Gibson (looks good in practice but no game changer). so far Kendricks and Amendola are his only options and they are not going to be game changers.
Have faith broski!
One of those receivers is going to manage to stay healthy AND perform well. I saw it in a dream.
Two things about me will never change. I will always root for the Rams, and I will always root against the Niners.
If nothing else
what took place last year, built confidence in a very good rookie QB. Regardless of the easy schedule and the “dink and dunk”, he showed plenty of poise and accuracy.
If there are any questions about his true ability I suppose this year,( with its much more difficult schedule and more complicated offensive scheme), should quiet the critics.
He was a rookie and did that well
Very rarely do Rookies even play let alone take every snap in the regular season, He is the real deal , still learning , aren’t we all!!! guy is a total stud
Good Read
To me, if you excel playing the hand you’ve been dealt you’re a winner. Sam is a winner. The offense last year was more to train, and not ruin, a rookie QB. It is what he did during the year with a base offense that impresses me. The PFR article contends a single standard for QBs, which is two dimensional at best. No one here is says Sam is a top five QB as a result of last years performance. What exactly is a great rookie QB according to PFR? If Sam takes his stats up 30% this year, will PFR start calling him a bust, even though these numbers would place him in the top QBs? I get the feeling Sam will be set at a higher standard at PFR this season, which screams hypocracy. It would mean PFR actually believed the hype. With PFR, Sam is resigned to their own version of a Catch-22…
by Douglas M on Aug 16, 2011 1:24 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Just put up on SI:
A few good things to say about our preseason performance…
yea i dont know about this line:
The Rams have more weapons than they know what to do with right now, but it’s McDaniels’ assignment to figure out that happy problem.
I think he got a little carried away there. We only got 4 weapons on offense: Jackson, Bradford, Amendola, and Kendricks. The rest I hope can become weapons
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by weekend_warrior55 on Aug 16, 2011 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't
think the writer even looked at highlights of the game. He just pulled stats from the box score.
by RoyaleWithCheeze on Aug 16, 2011 5:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Stats only tell part of the story
Why does everyone bash taking a check down? I have noticed this seems to be a popular tactic of critics. Sure we all like the downfield pass but a safety valve pass is not necessarily weak. It might be the right decision. How does decision making factor into the DYAR? What about the presence of mind to recover a fumble upfield as Sam did or chase down a guy that just picked you off instead of just standing there and giving up a TD? How does that affect a DYAR?
by Sundowner on Aug 16, 2011 1:38 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
It was overrated given all the simple dink and dunk passes he did
but that wasnt his fault. he didnt have any receiver who could stretch the field and sam was a victim of pat shurmur’s retarded offense. however, sam showed me everything i could hope for in a franchise QB and i have the utmost confidence in him going forward as the training wheels come off and sam’s let loose
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he did his job
and he did it well. with the lack of playmakers/oline and vanilla playcalling, he did the best be could. overrated by saying it was the best rookie qb performance ever? Yes. but a tremendous season for a rookie qb on a 1-15 team. he’ll just have to prove himself again this year i guess. i hope he has that article framed in his locker
Why would he hang that locker up?
It wasn’t bashing Sam’s abilities or his potential or how he is as a quarterback at all.
It’s saying that the media overrated his season with superficially and aesthetically pleasing statistics, whereas in reality, they were mediocre when you got down to it. It’s like a baseball player with lots of RBIs and a pretty batting average. The media always overrates that.
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Er, pardon the obvious typo in the subject line
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im saying, any material doubting you and yourabilities is locker room material
another skeptic, another person to prove wrong
Did you even read my post?
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and the media giving him credit for the 7-9 season
when obviously Bradford played just a small role in that. He did enough to improve the offense (along with some other factors like healthy OTs) but the defense had way more to do with the overall turnaround
by Ryan Van Bibber on Aug 16, 2011 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Nope....
….although the defense was improved last year, it had a lot to do with SAM’s play.
He kept the D off the field more last year. He (I believe) didn’t throw a single pick-6, as opposed to the previous year where Bulger and crew had 6 or 7.
I just disagree with the notion that the defense was the reason for us to go from 1-15 to 7-9. SAM was the most notable addition to the team last year while there were only a few additions defensively.
The truth is always the right answer....
by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Aug 16, 2011 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions
He kept the D off the field?
Did you watch the games?
Find out what our average TOP was last year. I’ll bet it was below 25 min / game
I can take a beating ... I'm a Rams fan.
According to the NFL official stats
the Rams time of possession in 2010 averaged 31.01 min/game. How much were you betting?
Here’s the link. http://www.nfl.com/teams/statistics?season=2010&team=STL&seasonType=
wow. I stand corrected.
Sure seemed like we 3 and out’d an awful lot
I can take a beating ... I'm a Rams fan.
We were....
….but we also had quite a few small ball drives also.
You owe me a dollar.
The truth is always the right answer....
by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Aug 17, 2011 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions
NOT to Roman Harper though!
LOL!
The truth is always the right answer....
by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Aug 17, 2011 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions
Oh god, I dont think anybody is saying he is the best quarterback of all time.
Notice they didnt do the DYAR comparison with Colt McCoy and Joshua Cribbs vs. Brandon Gibson…cause that would be an actual apples to apples comparison to backup..err completely stupify your comment about Colt McCoy having similar bad talent to work with reugardless of offensiveline/running game comparisons.
Not to mention health…our rookie quarterback ended the season with an entirely different supporting cast than he did in the beginning practically. Got a DYAR stat for that?
Sam Bradford was sensational and he got credit for it…nuff said!
- And here's the Rams' 2010 season in a series. Incomplete pass, 18-yard run, incomplete pass, 7-yard run, 5-yard pass, 3-yard run, sack, incomplete pass, punt. Shoot me. - 3K
LOL! Nice!
- And here's the Rams' 2010 season in a series. Incomplete pass, 18-yard run, incomplete pass, 7-yard run, 5-yard pass, 3-yard run, sack, incomplete pass, punt. Shoot me. - 3K
i knew that sometin like this would pop up eventually
take the leash of sam so he can bite everybody on the ass!
McDaniels would not have come here if Sam wasn't here
McDaniels had many options were to deploy his offense, but wanted to work with Bradford, why he is a soon to be great QB, Bradford is good, has the skills, physical make up, leadership, and is humble and wants to learn, still has a long way to go but those are the traits teams would die for in a QB. If you compared him to any of the QB’s that came out this year he would have still gone number 1
Put Matt Ryan or Joe Flacco under center in the Rams offense last year.
Do you think they would look better? Maybe a little but just notice the disparity is all I am saying.
- And here's the Rams' 2010 season in a series. Incomplete pass, 18-yard run, incomplete pass, 7-yard run, 5-yard pass, 3-yard run, sack, incomplete pass, punt. Shoot me. - 3K
I always thought flacco was overrated
but yeah your right, when was the last time we have ever seen a #1 overall pick at qb improve their team by that much?
I like to think of Jeff Teague as our secret weapon..... so secret that the Atlanta coaches have no idea who he is.
Upon hearing that the nfl lockout was over, I faced in the general direction of Seattle and gave them the finger. GO RAMS
The writer did his statistical job
And then used his stats to find a way to call Bradford a bum. Sometimes you need to put down the calculator and watch some football.
by Scott Bundren on Aug 16, 2011 2:48 PM CDT via mobile reply actions 4 recs
Could you show me where he called Bradford a bum?
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'Bum' figuratively, not literally
It’s just a ’let’s STATISTICALLY show people Bradford isn’t that good’ instead of watching his games. He’s clearly an above average talent but all the arguing in the world can’t help. Remember, the article is just an opinion (neatly wrapped in stats). I’m just telling you what I got out of it. We’ll just have to wait and see. In the meantime, let’s enjoy some football!
by Scott Bundren on Aug 16, 2011 5:23 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
The articles was more about his blatant dislike Peter King! lol
The PFR article reflects a “glass is half empty” mentality. He’s not worth the time to read, let alone reflect on. He’s a guy who plays with stats to malform an arguement. I wonder if he taps phones? lol
The crazy thing is I disagree with alot of his points with counter statistics and other elements
the writer didnt consider, but his last summation paragraph I agree with exactly.
- And here's the Rams' 2010 season in a series. Incomplete pass, 18-yard run, incomplete pass, 7-yard run, 5-yard pass, 3-yard run, sack, incomplete pass, punt. Shoot me. - 3K
You don't have to be a quarterback
to cave under immense pressure. Bradford certainly had the weight of St. Louis on his shoulders, just by signing the contract. The fact that he is maturing and bearing up under all the expectations, not to mention increasing them by his demeanor and work ethic, to me this adds up to more than whatever stats you could have acquired during his first year.
I guess I’m as stoked to have a quality young man growing up before my eyes and doing well, as I ever was with any of the statistical stuff from vetrans who did better on more developed Ram teams.
Bradford is fun for many reasons beyond the pundits puny points to ponder.
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For being a rookie QB
Bradford never looked overmatched or overwhelmed. I just don’t think you can overstate this fact or even fully quantify it with a stat but it is most certainly there. The majority of the hype for Sam is based on how you can project him to mature and what that means based on his mental and physical tools. There is every reason to believe we may be watching the next Peyton Manning or Joe Montana but as this article being critical points out, it’s all conjecture at this point. I don’t see the problem with Bradford being over rated but rather the pure stupidity of trying to rate players in general. Let them play the damn games and we’ll rate them with a W or L every week. In the end that’s all that matters. Anyone who wants to doubt Bradford is free to do so and anyone wanting to be excited about him is free to do so. In the end the media hype over him, good or bad, is as much to do with generating TV ratings and selling newspapers/magazines as it does anything else. People are constantly searching for the next phenom. My personal opinion is that bradford has “it”. He is the one we Rams fans have placed our hopes and dreams of rising from the ashes of 1-16 to the pinnacle of the NFL. So far he has not let us down and for me this is a very very good thing.
Sam is a football god
and i don’t need stats to prove it cause I’m a fan……and he got us 6 more wins than the year before(didn’t see that stat mentioned)
statistics only go so far,
It’s an age old debate, but qualitative vs quantitative is something only settled by a mixture of the two.
Using JUST stats to prove a point is flawed, and using JUST qualitative research to prove a point is flawed.
Use both and you’ll get somewhere, and this dude didn’t, like every other analyst out there too.
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Ok so this is how it is...
- 1 of 3 QB in the history of the NFL to throw for 3,000 plus yards
- Best QB rating in the last 30 years by a #1 overall pick (including Peyton)
- completions and attempts record for season and game by a rookie
- 1st rookie to EVER throw for 300 yards, 3 TD’s, 0 INT and win on the road
- 11-1 TD / INT string which is a record over 6 game stretch
- most completions with out a INT (record)
- lead a previously 1-15 team to 7-9
- won the Offensive Rookie of the Year Award by a mile
- started every single game and took every single snap
- first #1 overall pick to have a positive TD / INT ratio in something like 30 years
all while doing this with easily one of, if not THE worst starting receiver group not just last year but maybe in a decade. Peyton Manning had Marvin Harrison and Marshall Faulk. Matt Ryan had Michael Turner and Roddy White. Sam Bradford had Steven Jackson and ummmmmmmmmmm……yeah.
But I assume this nerd who wrote this can’t find a stat for Bradford’s leadership, poise, toughness, ability to diagnose a defense after essentially missing an entire year of football all while doing this on a team that won a total of 6 games in 3 years prior to him arriving.
What are we talking about here? A stat idiot who is trying to find anything he can find on trying to down a fantastic rookie season. I assume this guy was a Clausen fan, or one of those newly bandwagon Josh Freeman fans who are super mad that virtually every single GM, coach and scout would clearly take Bradford over every single young QB not named Aaron Rogers. I guess Bradford should have put up a garbage rookie season like Matthew Stafford, Josh Freeman, Mark Sanchez and every other rookie QB not named Matt Ryan, Peyton Manning and Dan Marino.
We’re passed this, Bradford and Ram fans have real things to talk about now, like winning the NFC West, making the playoffs, making a push for the NFC Championship and eventually the Super Bowl. Leave these kinds of stories for the fans of scrub teams like the Panthers, Titans, Vikings, Jaguars, Broncos and Browns. Bradford doesn’t have anything other than a Super Bowl as a goal. By the way, nobody is going to give a shit what Bradford’s YPA are when he’s holding the Lombardi up.
By the way, to the stat whores and PFR…….
U MaD?
by DaFranchiZe on Aug 17, 2011 12:19 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Should comment this
on the article. Owned.
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Hope this works....
The truth is always the right answer....
by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Aug 17, 2011 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions
After reading the guy's bio...
- life-long Jets fan
- listed every Rocky movie as his favorite
- favorite music….Hip-hop
- unmarried, no kids (go figure!)
- wants to be a lawyer
….it was easy to write off his article as mere defecation from the mind of a mousy, fact-checking nerd that tarnishes the name of football fanatics like us.
Easy response to that
Everyone and their mother knows that Bradford is by far the better QB than Sanchez, obviously this nerd is butt hurt that the pundits, media, ex-coaches, ex-players, current players, current coaches and current people in the know will say and have said that Bradford is better.
Funny this idiot didn’t say that Bradford’s rookie season was better than Sanchez’s sophomore season and Sanchez had a AFC Championship team around him. Put Bradford on the Jets and they are playing in the Super Bowl not the Steelers.
This is one of the most “hater” filled article I have ever read. By the way, if throwing for all those yards and setting all those records are so mediocre and so overrated, then why the fuck has no one else done it except Ryan and Manning?
Excellent points!
And you’re right. This is a classic case of someone trying to boost themselves (Sanchez) up by knocking someone who is better than them down (Bradford).
A response
VanRam,
Thanks for posting your thoughts — I enjoyed reading them. Some responses:
1) There was no eagerness to pee on fan enthusiasm. Part of being a fan is being excited about a player’s potential. We all get that. And, as explained in the article, there wasn’t much of an attempt to insult Bradford. It’s the reaction to Bradford that mystifies me. It sounds like you agree to the extent people are saying that Bradford is already a good starting QB (maybe he’ll be there by the end of 2011, but he wasn’t there by the end of 2010).
This wasn’t posted on a Rams fans message board to rile up fans.
2) The link to the Tanier article brings up several points. The fact that he used counting stats (yards, TDs) is unfortunate. Tanier’s an awesome writer (and a co-blogger on another website); he surely agrees that per-attempt numbers are much more useful to grade a quarterback. To the extent that Tanier or anyone else argues that Bradford’s rookie season was one of the best by any QB ever, that’s the sort of point my article was rallying again. And based on what you wrote, you agree with me.
Further, Tanier’s own website — Football Outsiders — ranked as the 34th best QB. So it’s not like I’m on an island here; in fact, I’d argue that Bradford was a bit better than the 34th best QB last season.
3) There’s no need to sell me on the fact that the Rams’ wide receivers weren’t very good — I essentially called them ‘garbage’ in the article. Yes, I didn’t focus on that, and I could have given him more of a break throughout the article by qualifying most of my statements. But I find it hard to imagine that playing such an anemic schedule didn’t largely offset having a terrible supporting cast. Think of how many QBs deal with both?
Look at Ryan Fitzpatrick last year. Buffalo had a terrible OL and the hardest schedule in the league. Steve Johnson (and Evans) was a lot better than what Bradford had, but Fitzpatrick put up much better numbers than Bradford. And no one is clamoring for Ryan Fitzpatrick these days.
It certainly wasn’t an oversight that Bradford had a bad supporting cast. But most #1 picks do. Tim Couch and David Carr took over expansion teams. If the meme on Bradford was “He was pretty bad last year, but considering that he was a rookie and the Rams’ passing weapons were terrible, it wasn’t all that bad; he might be pretty good one day” then I wouldn’t have written the article. Instead, the feeling seems to be “this guy is the next great quarterback.” People forget, but the same articles were written about Couch, Carr and Mirer. Pointing that out doesn’t make me a “hater.”
I enjoyed reading your article. I think you brought up some good points, and I’d hope Rams fans would rush to Bradford’s defense. I think Bradford should be a bit better this year, and I love the McDaniels hire. I wouldn’t want you to think that ripping on Bradford’s rookie season means I don’t think he’s going to be a good QB. I can rip on Troy Aikman’s and Terry Bradshaw’s rookie performances, too, and that doesn’t mean squat about how good a player they eventually became. On the flip side, look at how everyone fell all over themselves over Vince Young after his rookie season. We’d like to think that players develop in a typical fashion, but there’s often little correlation between how good a QB is as a rookie and how good he ends up becoming.
Chase
Because you fail to take in his intangibles.
He’s considered the next great quarterback because he’s already shown what most quarterbacks don’t for a few years. He stays cool in every situation, showed the ability to come from a spread and learn the pro-style offense in one offseason (very rarely heard of), and his poise for a rookie was off the charts. His YPA might have been low, but that’s because Spags and Shurmur brought him in easy. The offense was to throw short passes, they weren’t checkdowns. If you would have turned on a Rams game outside of the Sunday Night game, you would know that. As for Fitzpatrick, he’s also a 6-year veteran, not a rookie. What’s that have to do with Bradford? Players like Flacco, Roethlisberger, Mark Sanchez, and even Matt Ryan, were drafted into great situations. The Falcons were 15-16 the two years before they went 4-12 and drafted Ryan. They weren’t really bad, still had talent. The Rams went 6-42 in the three years leading up to Bradford and the biggest free agent acquisition before his rookie season was FRED ROBBINS, nobody even knows who he is. It’s safe to say that Bradford came into one of the worst situations in NFL history. The Rams were in one of the worst rebuilding situations ever when Spags took over and Sam won more games in his rookie year than in the previous three years combined. I don’t care how statistically bad the offense was, he was easily a big reason and you could see it watching the games.
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