St. Louis Rams free agent moves: Age before beauty
The St. Louis Rams collected a small bounty in free agents yesterday, following up on the week's first addition, S Quintin Mikell. After two years of talking about a youth movement at Rams Park, to a man, the moves yesterday made the Rams a little older. If things work according to plan, those moves will also make them a little wiser.
Harvey Dahl stole the headlines when news broke that the Rams agreed to terms with the veteran guard. With the exception of Jason Brown (and since Jacob Bell seems to be all but gone), the Rams have a young offensive line. Dahl gives the line a tenacious presence; he's a tone setter, as Bernie Miklasz called him, a borderline psycho...in a good way.
From Rodger Saffold on the left to Jason Smith on the right, this is a skilled group of linemen, but life in the NFL trenches demands an equal amount of sheer meanness. Concerns about Smith's willingness to battle have been expressed before, and there have also been whispers about John Greco's passion as well. Having Dahl as a linemate, the angry, yet concerned first sergeant of the platoon, infuses the group with that tenacity. He could really assist with extracting the full potential of Smith and Saffold.
One other veteran signing offers some of those "intangible" dividends. I snarked about it and Teven had the headline of the decade on this post, but the Al Harris addition is a smart one too. First, if he has anything at all left in the tank at 36, he gives the Rams a veteran presence in the nickel package. Andrew Brandt, the former Packers front office man who knows Harris, said this about him on Twitter today:
Congrats to old friend Al Harris inking deal w/Rams. Driven leader with strong work ethic (and freakishly low body fat). Will help them.
For a team expected to compete this year, Harris exposes the Rams corners, even a veteran Ron Bartell, to the kind of competitiveness expected of a playoff caliber team. Yes, it's trite and I hate using cliches like that, but there really is something to it.
As far as the Zac Diles addition goes, James Laurinaitis is firmly entrenched as the leader of that group. With him, there's absolutely no need for a mentor type. Diles gives the Rams smart football who know his role. He's already been told that the starting job on the weakside is his to lose. Diles is physical and strong tackler; he had just one broken tackle last year per STATS, LLC. He won't play in nickel packages and might not play on third downs, but could be the solid two down LB the Rams lacked last season.
When you grow a team from the ground up, like Billy Devaney and Steve Spagnuolo have done, the youth movement is the essential first step. For all the talk about pillars, players like Sam Bradford, Chris Long, Smith, Saffold, Laurinaitis, etc. hold the franchise on their shoulders. That foundation built, adding to the structure with the right mix of veterans can really bolster the whole thing.
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Whats the word at Rams Park
Will they practice? Or is this just a role call?
The only thing comparable to a Rams win is a 49er loss!
by DevsLaRams on Jul 30, 2011 1:43 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
I'm expecting
great things this year, man I’m risking it all on hope. It sounds like it might all work out as the pieces fall together.
The “No Name Offense” hopefully will strike fear into all teams.
Now that we have talent,
I’m willing to bet Spags finally proves to his doubters that he can coach. Best offensive mind in football on one side, best defensive mind in football as the head coach, that’s often overlooked. “Can’t Wait!”
"I kind of stepped my swagger up. You look at the Madden game and the swagger's so low, maybe they'll bump me up. Before it was a meatball flex, so you've got to liven it up a little bit." - Animal Jr.
by douchiedude on Jul 30, 2011 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I should say one of the best,
in respect to Dick LeBeau.
"I kind of stepped my swagger up. You look at the Madden game and the swagger's so low, maybe they'll bump me up. Before it was a meatball flex, so you've got to liven it up a little bit." - Animal Jr.
Dick LeBeau is amazing as a football player and coach
by King Sam Rules! on Jul 30, 2011 1:50 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I know.
Legendary defensive coordinator.
"I kind of stepped my swagger up. You look at the Madden game and the swagger's so low, maybe they'll bump me up. Before it was a meatball flex, so you've got to liven it up a little bit." - Animal Jr.
This guy (pointing downward)
by King Sam Rules! on Jul 30, 2011 1:53 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
SPAGS
SPAGS HAS NOW MORE EXCUSES NOW ITS TIME TO STEP UP AND COACH THE FIRST 2 YEARS WERE LEARNING EXPERIENCE UNFORTUNATELY ER OPEN AGAINST THE EAGLES WHO ARE SIGNING LIKE THEY ARE ON A MISSION
He has more excuses now?
Hot damn, you love him.
"I kind of stepped my swagger up. You look at the Madden game and the swagger's so low, maybe they'll bump me up. Before it was a meatball flex, so you've got to liven it up a little bit." - Animal Jr.
YES
YES BUT WE STILL NEED A NAME BRAND RECEIVER TO TAKE PRESSURE OFFTHE OTHER ONES
Names don't take the pressure off of anyone.
"I kind of stepped my swagger up. You look at the Madden game and the swagger's so low, maybe they'll bump me up. Before it was a meatball flex, so you've got to liven it up a little bit." - Animal Jr.
yes
yes but have become ‘names’ in the nfl for their success…at least a year to take the heat off the young ones
its harder to read all caps
harder on the human eye to recognize characters when they’re all caps
Jus sayin. It doesn’t really add anything to the merits of your arguement to make it harder to read.
by CoachConnors on Jul 30, 2011 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Favorite moves so far:
Diles: he is perfect for Spags system
Dahl: he’s not Goldberg, and he’s a top tier guard
MSW: its a low risk sign that has a lot of potential to be a home run
Just hope we got something up our sleeve involving the Bell move
by King Sam Rules! on Jul 30, 2011 1:49 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
al harris
al harris --if plaxico is to old what is harris ????
Al is a good guy who won't cause problems
And he isn’t gonna take a roster spot from a young guy
by King Sam Rules! on Jul 30, 2011 1:51 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Plaxico takes a spot
from a promising receiver that we have, and he straight up shot himself, what a moron. Harris will probably take Dockery’s spot. Sorry, but the latter crushes the former. Twice.
"I kind of stepped my swagger up. You look at the Madden game and the swagger's so low, maybe they'll bump me up. Before it was a meatball flex, so you've got to liven it up a little bit." - Animal Jr.
THEN
THEN WE BETTER SIGN C LAYTON AND I’LL STOP WITH THE PLAXICO RANT
Just stop with the Plaxico rant
because he’s a Steeler or a Jet by the end of the weekend.
"I kind of stepped my swagger up. You look at the Madden game and the swagger's so low, maybe they'll bump me up. Before it was a meatball flex, so you've got to liven it up a little bit." - Animal Jr.
You should go buy some
Plaxice. Maybe then the smelly Plaxico crap you keep uttering may go away.
Ah... bollocks!
I meant to reply to your comment further up the page
This refers to douche, not jswirb
This refers to douche, not jswirb
by King Sam Rules! on Jul 30, 2011 1:56 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Great writings
Thanks for keeping me and other Ram fans that aren’t local connected. Without this site I would know nothing of the goings on. And I agree with your take on adding these vet’s.to set an example of how it’s done.
What was the Rams theme last year?
We heard it over and over “inexperience” “Rookies” “Youth” This year I thing we can blend that all together into a solid bond. Down side is that it wipes out the excuse I use for a loss, like “inexperience” “Rookies” “Youth”
Not for Sam though haha.
He has the inexperience excuse for one more season.
"I kind of stepped my swagger up. You look at the Madden game and the swagger's so low, maybe they'll bump me up. Before it was a meatball flex, so you've got to liven it up a little bit." - Animal Jr.
I
I DON’T THINK HE’LL HAVE THE SOPHMORE JINX AT ALL—YOU CAN TELL HE IS THE MARINO TYPE GUY LOOK WHAT HE DID WITH ALMOST NOTHING…THOSE ANNOYING SCREEN PASSES MADE ME CRAZY…AND YES I’M VERY EXCITED ABOUT JOSH M. OUTSTANDING ..THANK GOD SHURMER IS GONE ..THE WORST COST US A FEW GAMES LAST YEAR
whats with the caps?
"Emancipate yourself from mental slavery, none but ourselves can free our minds."
by Buck Nasty87 on Jul 30, 2011 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Hey-Right!
Now what can I use for run blocking? wait-we may have that covered to-Glad Scott is back on the Dline, I’ll give him a shot(sorry Plax-you just lost your fame)
i
i noticed the fans confidence poll has gone up a bit and leveling out
Ronnie Brown to the Rams?
The Rams are in discussions with free agent Ronnie Brown about a potential signing.
Josh McDaniels knows Brown well from their days together in the AFC East. The St. Louis Post-Dispatch “believes” the Rams have also made contact with Joseph Addai and Jason Snelling. Brown is declining at age 29, but he excels on passing downs. The Rams need to sign two tailbacks when all’s said and done.
Related: Rams
This report from Thomas, looks like we could have another great day again.
Brown, Snelling and Addai at RB and still talking to Muir and Bannan too.
So we might sign Brown and Snelling?
by King Sam Rules! on Jul 30, 2011 2:21 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
that would be my dream scenario
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Hopefully we will sign a Backup RB and a DT today.
Would be another big day of signing for the Rams and if we take care of those positions we would have taken care of just about every “need” so far this offseason.
still need another OLB
"Emancipate yourself from mental slavery, none but ourselves can free our minds."
by Buck Nasty87 on Jul 30, 2011 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah
I’m hoping for snelling/brown, brian waters, bannan/muir, and ben leber. I would also be welcome to trading one of our recievers (gibson?) for amobi akoye
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Jacked my list on the TST facebook page LOL.
Snelling, Waters, Muir and Leber. I want it I want it!
"I kind of stepped my swagger up. You look at the Madden game and the swagger's so low, maybe they'll bump me up. Before it was a meatball flex, so you've got to liven it up a little bit." - Animal Jr.
lol sorry
i think that we have a shot at signing all those guys though
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Me too,
but I haven’t heard much on Leber and Waters since the initial reports.
"I kind of stepped my swagger up. You look at the Madden game and the swagger's so low, maybe they'll bump me up. Before it was a meatball flex, so you've got to liven it up a little bit." - Animal Jr.
me neither
but we can dream can’t we? haha
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Nice write up Van
Now someone please point me in a direction to watch a Game. There’s got to be a website were we can view a game. Any game. Help a brother out.
I might have to dust off my Rams v titans SB game and see if my old VCR still works.
"SJAX" - The extra strength cleaner that fights off that Stubborn, Stingy Defense
Seen this one
I think I’ll have to watch it again thou
Thanks
"SJAX" - The extra strength cleaner that fights off that Stubborn, Stingy Defense
You got that right
Just finished watching it. It’s a good one for everyone to watch.
"SJAX" - The extra strength cleaner that fights off that Stubborn, Stingy Defense
Anyone know the betting odds for The Rams to win
1) The Division
2) The Conference
3) The SB
"SJAX" - The extra strength cleaner that fights off that Stubborn, Stingy Defense
The following was found by using this little unknown website called Google and do not reflect my own opinions...
2011 Rams Futures:
- Super Bowl Odds: +4050
- Conference Odds: +3500
- NFC West Odds: +180
- 2011-2012 NFL Regular Season Wins: Over 7 (-120), Under 7 (-110)
2011 Rams Predictions:
- Place they’ll finish in NFC West: 1st
- Place they’ll finish in NFC Conference: 4th
I was never good at this kind of stuff.
How much would it all pay out? Use $10 as the example, easiest to calculate.
"I kind of stepped my swagger up. You look at the Madden game and the swagger's so low, maybe they'll bump me up. Before it was a meatball flex, so you've got to liven it up a little bit." - Animal Jr.
You need to put your money ont he Rams winning the West, that's a good bet this year
I am putting my money where my mouth is. Heading to Tahoe or Reno in Aug to do exactly that.
by CoachConnors on Jul 30, 2011 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Hahaha gotcha.
I’ll have my bro do it for me, still 20 :(
"I kind of stepped my swagger up. You look at the Madden game and the swagger's so low, maybe they'll bump me up. Before it was a meatball flex, so you've got to liven it up a little bit." - Animal Jr.
Oh, well yes of course, I would NEVER suggest you utelize your local bookie
who can offer be found in the local bar scene. I wold never do that.
by CoachConnors on Jul 30, 2011 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Hahaha
thank you, you’re such a great influence :p
"I kind of stepped my swagger up. You look at the Madden game and the swagger's so low, maybe they'll bump me up. Before it was a meatball flex, so you've got to liven it up a little bit." - Animal Jr.
money line bets: all based on $100. The + and - tell you where you hundred dollars stand.
Super Bowl Odds:
+4050 means you risk $100 to win $4050
Win 7 games:
Over 7 (-120) means you risk $120 to win $100. They need to win 8 for you to win— not 7, because the bet is OVER 7.
Under 7 (-110) means you risk $110 to win $100, and you need them to win 6 for you to win.
So they’re bascially saying they think the Rams will win 7 games this year. Keep in mind these things are re-evaluated constantly and will change depending on the bookmaker’s opnion and the amount of money wagered on each side of the bet.
by CoachConnors on Jul 30, 2011 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Under 7 -- 6 or less wins, not 6 exactly
Just to be clear
by CoachConnors on Jul 30, 2011 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions
That's the safest bet
but it would only cost another $10 bucks to put $10 on the conference also.
"SJAX" - The extra strength cleaner that fights off that Stubborn, Stingy Defense
Those things change frequently
I got the Jets at 5-1 last year, early season. By December they were 2-1.
(You get whatever it is at the time you place your bet, so I would have had the 5-1 payout had they won)
by CoachConnors on Jul 30, 2011 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm not familiar with + this or that but
One Las Vegas casino has the Rams 50/1 to win the super bowl and 25/1 to win the conference. Win 50 for every dollar bet. Don’t know what the minimum bet is though.
For individual games you will see either a point spread, used for parlays, or nimenclature like -150/100. Bet 150 to win 100 picks the favorite. Betting 100 to win 150 picks the underdog.
I’m not a betting type but when I lived in Reno I like to play parlays and drink beer on Sundays. The parlay usually covered my beer and a good meal to make for a happy day.
I think the minimum
was two bucks. At least at the Hilton.
"I kind of stepped my swagger up. You look at the Madden game and the swagger's so low, maybe they'll bump me up. Before it was a meatball flex, so you've got to liven it up a little bit." - Animal Jr.
Good low risk bet.
I found a LV site really easy. Can a person place bets online. I love sports books.
Yeah I usually do online
since you only have to be 18. Those minimum’s range from around $20-$50 deposits but you can bet as low as one or two bucks.
"I kind of stepped my swagger up. You look at the Madden game and the swagger's so low, maybe they'll bump me up. Before it was a meatball flex, so you've got to liven it up a little bit." - Animal Jr.
Lofa Tatupu has to restructure his deal with Seattle
by King Sam Rules! on Jul 30, 2011 2:18 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
If he doesnt he'll be cut, I think he's a MLB
But anyone think he could be a OLB, cause he is a top end LB who brings fire and passion, although he is probably way out of our price range
by King Sam Rules! on Jul 30, 2011 2:20 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Via Evan Silva
#Rams in discussions with free agent RB Ronnie Brown per @JThom1. Also “believed” to have contacted Joseph Addai.
I would rather have Addai than Brown.
Think Addai has more to offer.
Youth too.
Just injury issues. I’d still much rather have Snelling. Wonder what’s the hold up with him?
"I kind of stepped my swagger up. You look at the Madden game and the swagger's so low, maybe they'll bump me up. Before it was a meatball flex, so you've got to liven it up a little bit." - Animal Jr.
Yesterday was a pleasant surprise in that we filled gaps at OG and OLB.
WR was a good pickup even though we have an overrflowing stable of ball catchers. The old dude won’t hurt anything. However, who’s gonna take Bell’s place. I don’t think Greco’s a real NFL calibre starter. And we can’t stand a weakspot in the O-Line. Still need a decent DT and RB. And really another OLB. But the less gaps the better.
We gettin there, ain't we! slowly but surly (pun intended)
Right-we got to plug Bell’s hole (no pun intended) and hope we don’t get a crappy deal out of it.
god—I can’t stand myself.
Waters or Davis
Both are good veteran guards, who’d cost less than Bell, and Davis is nasty. Is someone gonna do a write up for today’s free agnecy rumors?
by King Sam Rules! on Jul 30, 2011 2:28 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Waters is still
a premier pass blocker at his age. Perfect for the left side. Where did Davis play with the Girls?
"I kind of stepped my swagger up. You look at the Madden game and the swagger's so low, maybe they'll bump me up. Before it was a meatball flex, so you've got to liven it up a little bit." - Animal Jr.
He was a right, but he is a bull dog
He’s the kind of guy you would want with you in a knife fight, and I mean that in a good way. I think Dahl could play left really well
by King Sam Rules! on Jul 30, 2011 2:39 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I think Greco/Dahl is better than Bell./Greco
Net gain to change out Bell for Dalh, really. In my opinion,huge gain because I have been a Bell detractor for the last, oh, 3 years
by CoachConnors on Jul 30, 2011 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions
we are talking to brown im not sure about addai
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Running back,
less than 30. Brown is old, hella declining. Addai has been unlucky with injuries. Snelling still my favorite, personally.
"I kind of stepped my swagger up. You look at the Madden game and the swagger's so low, maybe they'll bump me up. Before it was a meatball flex, so you've got to liven it up a little bit." - Animal Jr.
I see Brown as a stopgap. Best bet, if they get a 29 y/o old older guy, they spend a early pick next year
To me it makes a lot of sense to get someone expereinced because they look to me making a serious run at the division. And a draft pick next year will be tutored by Sjax for 1 year, which is perfect timing
by CoachConnors on Jul 30, 2011 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions
I mean if they get a 29 years old or older guy
by CoachConnors on Jul 30, 2011 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions
SO
so all three are running backs—-who do you think we’l lget
You are asking who Ronnie Brown and Addai are?
Yet you insist that you know football and we need to sign Plax or T.O.? Sounds like you dont watch much football at all.
haven'
haven’t missed a ram game in 6 years —nfl network --excuse me smart ass—-and i still think we would be better with plaxico or t. o. at least for one year—-or even moss…so there
betcha
betcha you don’t even remember who the rams quarterback was in 1985 when we lost to the bears to go to the super vbowl
Hahaha
"I kind of stepped my swagger up. You look at the Madden game and the swagger's so low, maybe they'll bump me up. Before it was a meatball flex, so you've got to liven it up a little bit." - Animal Jr.
1985 we went to the conference title against the bears
peyton,mcman , singultary,ditka coach,,,,,,,cold day in chicago dickerson could never get going and our starting qb was from the canadien football league deiter brock..very short guy had him for one year….it was windy i believe he completed more passes to the bears that day…….but we had a great defense that year….the rest history ….the bears went on to kill the patriots that year in the super bowl….hence their famous song theSUPER BOWL SHUFFLE…if we only had qb in those years……a little ram history for you younger fans
I'm too young.
"I kind of stepped my swagger up. You look at the Madden game and the swagger's so low, maybe they'll bump me up. Before it was a meatball flex, so you've got to liven it up a little bit." - Animal Jr.
who
who can hold on to the ball the best as fumbles are a pet peeve of mine….remember the opening game against the cards last yr
i think hes from kansas state
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Jacob Bell turned up for afternoon practice!
I didn’t see that coming
And then this to follow from Jim Thomas
Bell not suited up, a sign that he has restructured. Bell greets spags.
bannan
There’s your DT. Now maybe another olb and get any one of those rbs. And we are set imo
by ECURam87 on Jul 30, 2011 3:08 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
With Bell
presumably back for cheaper, that is literally all we need to fill our roster completely. I really hope Clayton is back though.
"I kind of stepped my swagger up. You look at the Madden game and the swagger's so low, maybe they'll bump me up. Before it was a meatball flex, so you've got to liven it up a little bit." - Animal Jr.
I think a couple of bodies at LB would be good even if they are just self propelled tackling dummies.
Nice, I leave for 30 min
and come back to find out we picked up Bannan DT and Bell LG is hanging out at the practice field. Good stuff.
I’m taking off again (band practice) I wonder what bu RB will be on our rooster when I return.
"SJAX" - The extra strength cleaner that fights off that Stubborn, Stingy Defense
Dahl's attitude will give the o line some instant respect
He’s always open. He catches a lot of balls. He’s un-guardable, no matter how old he is

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