Rams free agency: To splash or not to splash
Two schools of though on the St. Louis Rams reported interest in free agent WR Sidney Rice, who the Seahawks eventually signed to a rich contract. Really, it's the same debate we have about free agency every year when it comes to the Rams, every bloody year. In one camp, you have those that support the cautious approach. On the other side of the isle, angry partisans upset with a conservative approach to free agency.
It's hard to look at a roster within $20 million of the cap and call a team cheap. The Rams took a big risk, one that many didn't want them to, when they drafted Oklahoma QB Sam Bradford with the first overall pick. Bradford missed his final season at OU with a shoulder injury that many wondered if he'd recover from. Obviously, he did. And the Rams spent oodles of money handing out what was once de rigueur for first-pick QB contracts. They could have waited; they could have found a stop gap. They didn't, and you'll be hard pressed to find someone who doesn't see Bradford as one of the NFL's best quarterbacks over the next decade.
They also spent money in prior drafts and free agency fixing an offensive line that ended plenty of careers. The old regime brought in Jacob Bell, though Devaney was the VP of Personnel at the time. In 2009, the added the best center available in free agency, Jason Brown. Have either of those players lived up to their pricey contracts? Not really, but they have given the Rams two solid blockers up front. Offensive tackles were added via the draft. Jason Smith needs to establish his first-round worthiness this year, but Rodger Saffold was an absolute steal.
Spagnuolo and Devaney acted fast to upgrade the defense, signing Quintin Mikell to a very nice contract, probably even overpaying to some extent. Value, however, is in the eye of the beholder, ultimately, and they put a premium on what Mikell can do for the backbone of this defense.
This isn't a "cheap" front office.
But I do understand the frustration. Free agency represents a natural extension of the competition on the playing field, combined with the excitement and anticipation of discovering the new. It lacks eloquence to say it this way, but it sucks to see a division rival bag a big time playermaker like Sidney Rice, even though many of us were/are reconciled to the group of offensive players the Rams do have.
In previous years, I've been against the Rams making sexy, expensive adds in free agency. The Rams prior to 2011 were a rebuilding team. They still are rebuilding to some extent, making up for years of damage to the roster from neglected drafts and sexy free agent moves like Drew Bennett.
"Not quite there" is the best way to describe the Rams in 2011, but this is a much different team than 2010. Expectations are real this year, tough schedule or not, anything less than the NFC West promises to rile a fan base anxious to see winning football in St. Louis again.
It's also a chance for the Rams to put themselves even further ahead of their division rivals, who are spending big this week. Having Bradford automatically puts the Rams a step ahead of the rest of the division all with QB questions, but it's not enough to race out to a commanding lead by any means.
The Rams can still separate themselves from the rest of the division; in fact, they should be favored to do just that. Adding a player like Sidney Rice would put the Rams far above their division rivals. The same can be said for Brandon Mebane, though defensive tackles lack the star power of wide receivers. If ever there was a time to add a name brand in free agency, heightened expectations and three other teams in the division that clearly see it up for grabs make this the year to do so.
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"Quite" is the word ...
… so far.
Really like the Mikell move, really do!
But see Bush going to the Fins (plus site on the Fins, he can show the world that he isn’t a every down back), Cofield to the Skins (over Rams, really?), Rice to the Seahawks (over Rams, really?) and Colledge to the Cars (over Rams AGAIN, really?) hurts.
Also, the Cards will get Kolb as starter (99%) and the 9ers go for Nnamdi.
Kinda dissapointment so far, that we “only” get Mikell. Plus with all those moves, I see all the other three teams as a real competitor for 2011.
Mikell is physically younger than he is truly
Cause he has only been playing big minutes for like 4 years
by King Sam Rules! on Jul 28, 2011 1:25 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Sorry that hardly any of the FA's
are pro bowlers in their prime.
"I kind of stepped my swagger up. You look at the Madden game and the swagger's so low, maybe they'll bump me up. Before it was a meatball flex, so you've got to liven it up a little bit." - Animal Jr.
i hope kendricks follows the recent success of our last two 2nd round picks.
Build through the draft. Im ready for football!
If
they would have kept OJ and signed Mikell ( i barely knew who he was before we signed him and everyone started saying how great he is) then i would have been ok with this cheap road they are going on. The way the draft went i wouldnt be shocked to see us sign a QB and MLB.
you're just not paying attention
go read Sando’s article about how the Rams being quiet right now is a good thing.
Bookend OTs, Bookend DEs, QB of the future, MLB of the future, Star RB now, Physical Secondary, Wait and See Receiving Corps.
This team went from 1 win to 7 and doesn’t have any major injury concerns or trouble-makers on the roster.
If we’re able to make the right splash, we’ll do it. But not just for the sake of making a headline.
Otherwise, we’re going to wait and see if we can get slightly lesser FA’s more cheaply to fill in the gaps.
This isn’t Super Bowl or bust yet. We’re just in the first phase after the rebuild and have got a ways to go.
Be patient.
to me it seems we have to fill at least one or two gaps.
The only gap i have seen us address is the safety position and even thats a wash since OJ left. We did not fill 1 single hole/need. The quinn pick was awesome, but we have Hoom at TE. 3rd and 4th round receivers, im not expecting much from them this year as it usually takes a few years to show up. Not to mention the fact that we are terrible at drafting recievers.
See Brooks Foster, Keenan Burton, and Mardy Gilyard. Im not givin up on avery just yet.
Because OJ left,
safety became a huge need so we filled arguably our biggest need. I don’t want Dahl AND Butler starting, do you? Plus, Mikell is better than OJ by far in this scheme.
"I kind of stepped my swagger up. You look at the Madden game and the swagger's so low, maybe they'll bump me up. Before it was a meatball flex, so you've got to liven it up a little bit." - Animal Jr.
i agree with that was a huge need since oj left. dahl and butler dont scare anyone.
But one need a year in the draft and FA, i mean come on…There is still time for things to happen this year. I hope we can find some more cap space.
I don't think Butler was coming back, was he?
Maybe Im wrong. I thought they were going to let him go, making it an even bigger need. I think Mikell upgrades OJ, to be honest, let along the Dahl+whoever question
by CoachConnors on Jul 28, 2011 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Im not sure.
I think you are right though, I remember reading somewhere that he was probably going to be let go for cap space.
Ok i agree with that
but how am i not paying attention. i am also a met fan and the papers have been writing crap like that for years about how they are doing good about being cheap. its all BS. i am not saying sign anyone i dont want a wr or te i want a speed rb a run blocking guard and a olb or ss(sorry i dont feel good about dahl playing he sucks at pass coverage and is decent at run and still he misses half his tackles bad speed). not star players just good players and they are out there so go and sign them FO
He's paying plenty of attention. We didn't fill gaps in our line-up that you could drive a freight train through. Now we're blowing free agency.
The way we drafted is why I think many of us are frustrated
Ok we didnt fill any needs in the draft, but hey we still got Free Agency. Ownership situation settled and no big signings last year. So I for one expected us THIS YEAR to be more active since we didnt fill any holes in the draft. Step it up a notch boys.
Yeah,
it’s a shame how impatient fans have become. When you’re as bad as the Rams were, rebuilding in the NFL should take much longer than it is right now. We’re actually doing it right and pretty quickly.
"I kind of stepped my swagger up. You look at the Madden game and the swagger's so low, maybe they'll bump me up. Before it was a meatball flex, so you've got to liven it up a little bit." - Animal Jr.
Don't forget this is free agency
Teams sign players from other teams. So everybody’s gain is someone else’s loss. Overall the playing field remains at the same level.
The Vikes have lost Sidney Rice. The Saints have lost Bush. Atlanta is going to lose Snelling. These teams are losing good football players. We have lost only ONE football player (OJ) and it was 5 months ago!
We have an overall young team that will be better simply by being one year older. Some teams will be worse just by being a year older.
No time to panic. It’s not as if we were getting plundered.
GO RAMS!!!
"For Better or for Worse; 'Till Death Do Us Part"
GO RAMS !!!
The Redskins traded McNabb and Haynesworth
Who are the losers in those moves?
by King Sam Rules! on Jul 28, 2011 1:01 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Well
Technically these moves are trades. They’re not free agent signings.
But for the time being, one could say that the Skins lost 2 starting caliber players. If, down the road, they get something good from the (late) picks they got, I might reconsider…
"For Better or for Worse; 'Till Death Do Us Part"
GO RAMS !!!
Yeah, but the Pats added Haynesworth
I think whoever has him is the loser
by King Sam Rules! on Jul 28, 2011 1:16 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
When they had him
the Titans were winning…
"For Better or for Worse; 'Till Death Do Us Part"
GO RAMS !!!
You mean that system that he despised in Washington
by King Sam Rules! on Jul 28, 2011 1:31 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
He'll be playing
end and not nose tackle in the Pats 3-4. He hated nose tackle, the Pats already have Wilfork there.
"I kind of stepped my swagger up. You look at the Madden game and the swagger's so low, maybe they'll bump me up. Before it was a meatball flex, so you've got to liven it up a little bit." - Animal Jr.
Losing McNabb
so Beck or Grossman starts? Shanahan is the loser. Getting Cofield and losing Haynesworth, the Skins finally did one thing right.
"I kind of stepped my swagger up. You look at the Madden game and the swagger's so low, maybe they'll bump me up. Before it was a meatball flex, so you've got to liven it up a little bit." - Animal Jr.
That's not my point.
My point is that we might not be adding much, we are not losing much either.
"For Better or for Worse; 'Till Death Do Us Part"
GO RAMS !!!
Celebrating the fact that guys like Jackson and Brown and Saffold and Lautinaitis aren't up for FA this year
Hurray for our side!
Seriously though…some teams are going to be gutted this year
by CoachConnors on Jul 28, 2011 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions
And we're going to have to sign
JL and Safford to long-term, big contracts soon. Fletcher will be more expensive in a couple of years as well. Smith and Long will get their contracts restructured to be cheaper but we’re gonna be spending serious money on our core players, that’s for sure.
"I kind of stepped my swagger up. You look at the Madden game and the swagger's so low, maybe they'll bump me up. Before it was a meatball flex, so you've got to liven it up a little bit." - Animal Jr.
The Cards just hooked themsevles Kolb at 12Mil per year too
AND gave away and high 2nd round pick, and their best playmaker on the Defense, a 25 year old 6’2" Cornerback.
So long term, yeah, you have to look at it from a years-long persepective or end up screwed at some point.
by CoachConnors on Jul 28, 2011 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions
They're so dumb lol,
I saw that too.
"I kind of stepped my swagger up. You look at the Madden game and the swagger's so low, maybe they'll bump me up. Before it was a meatball flex, so you've got to liven it up a little bit." - Animal Jr.
Just give me Malcolm Floyd and Thomas Davis
and I will be happy.
Sam Bradford
He was resigned to the Panthers
early yesterday.
"I kind of stepped my swagger up. You look at the Madden game and the swagger's so low, maybe they'll bump me up. Before it was a meatball flex, so you've got to liven it up a little bit." - Animal Jr.
Typical Rams Front Office...
What more did we expect? Seriously…we have a holes that need to be addressed, that weren’t addressed in the draft, and the Rams are left twiddling their thumbs. Say what you want, but I admire what the Seahawks are doing. They had a hole at QB (even though they had a starter) and they had a hole at WR….Did they sit around and mull over 2nd their guys? No! They went out, made cuts and got two guys. Granted they aren’t moves that will put them in the bowl, but at least they are responding to needs.
We need a DT, we need an OLB, we NEED a WR, we need a backup RB and we need a #1 corner. What have we done to fill those needs? Twiddle are d@mn thumbs. Hell, the Pats have the best d@mn NT in the game and they still go out and get Haynesworth! That’s what you do! You make moves and get players. The Jets have arguably the top DB in the game and guess what…they are making a play for the OTHER BEST DB IN THE GAME! Good teams don’t sit around and twiddle there d@mn thumbs!
On this team, we are all united in a common goal: to keep my job.
-- Lou Holtz
Yesterday people were laughing about Haynesworth
Just cause he is in New England now doesn’t mean he is going to stop being a jackass
by King Sam Rules! on Jul 28, 2011 1:17 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
He's a punk, but he's also in a Defense that fits skillset perfectly now
and that was the main reason he basically quit on the Skins, because they moved him out of place and tried to make him do things he wasn’t as good at. He reacted like a punk. Point is, he is now back in a good system in NE for what he does. The same could be said for OJ Atogwe, found himself in a system chnaged into somehting not good for his particular skillset (I wouldn’t say he reacted like Albert, though…the comparisons stop there).
Anyway, I think Mikell is at least as good a fit for the Rams as OJ was, probably better. Can you see going into the system with Dahl and a no-name guy next to him?
Why aren’t guys happy with that sign? I dont get it. Has to be a diva name to make anyone happy?
by CoachConnors on Jul 28, 2011 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Haynesworth is still in a 3-4 which he despises
If it was as easy as moving him to a different spot in the 3-4, the Redskins would have done it
by King Sam Rules! on Jul 28, 2011 1:33 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Actually, from what limited info I know about it, The Pats play a lot more nickel and send him as a pass rush DT, as opposed to having him be a middle plugging nose
It equates to different duty.
I could be mistaken, but thats the impression i get
by CoachConnors on Jul 28, 2011 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions
FA just started.
There will be 100 more guys cut today and available. We’ll make some moves, bit not necessary to overpay for someone now. It’s not a race. If it was, then the redskins would be #winning every year. And we do not need another wr. We need a true #1. Which rice still hasn’t proven. And is now being overpayed by the seahawks. Negative nancies need to relax. Waaaay early to be panicky like a bunch of pitches. man up
by ECURam87 on Jul 28, 2011 1:21 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions 3 recs
Just because the
very few top tier talent is gone, the rest are castoffs? It’s this kind of thinking on here that is SO COMPLETELY STUPID.
"I kind of stepped my swagger up. You look at the Madden game and the swagger's so low, maybe they'll bump me up. Before it was a meatball flex, so you've got to liven it up a little bit." - Animal Jr.
You're Right...
Snelling is that one underrated player that will put his next suitor over the top!! Hell, the future Hall of Famers are still free agents right now!! Let’s wait until week 3 and pick up the best OLB ever off of free agency!! #GetAClue
On this team, we are all united in a common goal: to keep my job.
-- Lou Holtz
What the hell
does that have to do with anything I said? What a marooooooon.
"I kind of stepped my swagger up. You look at the Madden game and the swagger's so low, maybe they'll bump me up. Before it was a meatball flex, so you've got to liven it up a little bit." - Animal Jr.
I'm saying that
they second tier guys are still upgrades, not that they’re saviors. Selective reading. No, selective interpreting. Whatever it is, I didn’t say anything close to what you read.
"I kind of stepped my swagger up. You look at the Madden game and the swagger's so low, maybe they'll bump me up. Before it was a meatball flex, so you've got to liven it up a little bit." - Animal Jr.
Considering
I read it from you all the time, I think I know it quite well by now.
"I kind of stepped my swagger up. You look at the Madden game and the swagger's so low, maybe they'll bump me up. Before it was a meatball flex, so you've got to liven it up a little bit." - Animal Jr.
Stupid thinking
is constantly thinking that the entire Rams roster should be made up of pro bowlers in their prime and bitching about it day and night when it doesn’t happen. Madden is made for people like you, go play it.
"I kind of stepped my swagger up. You look at the Madden game and the swagger's so low, maybe they'll bump me up. Before it was a meatball flex, so you've got to liven it up a little bit." - Animal Jr.
Rec'ed
“negative nancies”, lulz…..fitting!
by CoachConnors on Jul 28, 2011 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Ok....and your point?
The Jets had a higher payroll than us last year and you don’t hear anything about salary cap talk. You cut players to get better players. You make moves. The Rams have done nothing.
I stand corrected. We resigned Mr. Irrelevant and just signed a Fifth Round WR…We are now on the fast track to the top!! #smh
On this team, we are all united in a common goal: to keep my job.
-- Lou Holtz
The Jets
also lost two of their most expensive players in Cromartie and Edwards. They overpaid for Holmes, who has had ONE 1,000 yard season in his career, and by letting those two go, are trying to sign the best corner in the league. Yeah, that last part is scary, but if the don’t get him, they just lost a shit ton of talent.
"I kind of stepped my swagger up. You look at the Madden game and the swagger's so low, maybe they'll bump me up. Before it was a meatball flex, so you've got to liven it up a little bit." - Animal Jr.
I can see keeping the guy for a backup role...
But why starter?? WHy not make a play for Barnett who is obviously better and more experienced?? I just don’t get it…
On this team, we are all united in a common goal: to keep my job.
-- Lou Holtz
It sucks to have
two starting middle linebackers on a 4-3 defense.
"I kind of stepped my swagger up. You look at the Madden game and the swagger's so low, maybe they'll bump me up. Before it was a meatball flex, so you've got to liven it up a little bit." - Animal Jr.
2 starting?
We have Animal, Jr. in the middle. Barnett would be moved to OLB (which he originally played in college). GB moved him to inside since they run a 3-4 defense.
On this team, we are all united in a common goal: to keep my job.
-- Lou Holtz
I love me some trained monkeys
but NOT the flying ones in the Wizard of Oz, omg those things are scary
by CoachConnors on Jul 28, 2011 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Tarvaris is a third tier.
We had the 6th best corner in the league, not even close to a need, buddy. We were top 5 in sacks last year I believe, DT is not technically a need, just a wish for us to have a dominant d-line. OLB, OG, are really out biggest needs. Both OLB spots.
"I kind of stepped my swagger up. You look at the Madden game and the swagger's so low, maybe they'll bump me up. Before it was a meatball flex, so you've got to liven it up a little bit." - Animal Jr.
by douchiedude on Jul 28, 2011 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
+1
we should be pretty happy so far guys. We lost OJ but got QM, who probably will be better in our system. OG, OLB and RB are our real needs. A serviceble DT will improve our D-line.
I just hope we can pick up Snelling. I think he’s one of the most underrated FA’s right now.
would any of you
Rather sign rice or mebane or who ever n not have enough money to lock up long or jl or whomever we have? The fo is most likely looking way ahead then any of u
by markg1127 on Jul 28, 2011 2:06 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
You're right...
They are looking so far ahead, they can’t see that we are the favorites to win the division this year. I don’t mind looking to the future and prepping for a free agent class, but you strike when the iron is hot. Instead of adding players to win the division and make some noise for the next 2-3 years, we are slowly chugging along and preparing for the dream of a dynasty that might not come true…
On this team, we are all united in a common goal: to keep my job.
-- Lou Holtz
JL,
Long, Saffold, Fletcher, Smith, those are near future long-term extensions and it ain’t gonna come cheap.
"I kind of stepped my swagger up. You look at the Madden game and the swagger's so low, maybe they'll bump me up. Before it was a meatball flex, so you've got to liven it up a little bit." - Animal Jr.
I agree with you...
But you can’t always sacrifice the present for the future. Hypothetically, in three years, we keep 2 to 3 of those players and let the rest go. Find fill ins via the draft and free agency for the others and start winning. You don’t have to retain talent to be good, you just have to have them on your team to win.
On this team, we are all united in a common goal: to keep my job.
-- Lou Holtz
You can't always
sacrifice the future for the present either. That’s what the Redskins do. That’s what my Dodgers did, I know firsthand how bad that can be.
"I kind of stepped my swagger up. You look at the Madden game and the swagger's so low, maybe they'll bump me up. Before it was a meatball flex, so you've got to liven it up a little bit." - Animal Jr.
lol NOBODY's gonna come looking for Long and Smith at the kind of $$$ we've been paying them.
Let me repeat Long’s non probowl stats: 8.5 sacks, 29 tackles and a bunch of QB hurries against the easiest schedule in the league in 2010.
Smith, he of soft head, was beat out for LT by a 2nd round rookie. Nobody’s coming to pay an average RT near as much as we have. His current contract is $33M.
These two guys are gonna get salary cuts.
Just because they're being
overpaid now won’t mean they won’t be resigned for less money in the future. And, overall, it will still be expensive with the rest of them. Once again, that stupid thinking I was talking about earlier. We’re still gonna want them long-term in the near future.
"I kind of stepped my swagger up. You look at the Madden game and the swagger's so low, maybe they'll bump me up. Before it was a meatball flex, so you've got to liven it up a little bit." - Animal Jr.
So do I,
goes by the name of RamChop, the master of irrelevant posts.
"I kind of stepped my swagger up. You look at the Madden game and the swagger's so low, maybe they'll bump me up. Before it was a meatball flex, so you've got to liven it up a little bit." - Animal Jr.
I haven't made a post in a long time..., but
match yours up against mine for just this year and see who has the most rec’s and responses. :-)
Rec'd
posts or ones with replies on them doesn’t make them relevant, just like our current conversation.
"I kind of stepped my swagger up. You look at the Madden game and the swagger's so low, maybe they'll bump me up. Before it was a meatball flex, so you've got to liven it up a little bit." - Animal Jr.
I would like the Rams to
be remembered as making something special out of average players. Like how Spags turned Fred Robbins mediocre career and made him a threat this year. Or, if it happens, how DX came out of know where to be a very good reciever, undrafted. Rodger SaffloId is another great example. Id rather us be remember like that than spending huge money on FA’s like the Redskins are. Not saying we shouldnt make any moves, because i like what we have done in the past couple of years.
"make something special out of average players"?
robbins was a good dt in N.Y., so my question is, where was the “special” play from dorell scott?, or clifton “give me another advil” ryan? or vobora, or chaimberlain? im not knocking your post, but, when the rams have mediocre players, its hard seeing the logic in spag’s abilities with them.
He cant do it all to everyone
plus, your talking about linebackers some. We all know his specialty is D-Line, I mean just look at the Giants D-Line.

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