2011 St. Louis Rams Depth Chart: Defensive Line
The NFL lockout is ending soon, real soon. And that means teams can get back to the business of preparing for the 2011 NFL season. Just as important, we fans can get back to the business of preparing ourselves for the season. To get back up to speed, TST is grinding out our annual roster review, taking a look at where the St. Louis Rams stand on the eve of free agency and camp.
One of the most interesting position groups for the 2011 Rams will be the defensive line. Chris Long's 2010 campaign earned a lot of respect for bringing constant pressure. With teams focused on Long, James Hall racked up the second highest sack total in his 11 years in the league. Fred Robbins resuscitated his career providing a talent at the nose that the Rams haven't enjoyed in a long time. And, of course, the Rams spent their sole first round pick on a special pass rush talent in Robert Quinn who hasn't seen the field in over a year.
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The defensive front depth chart after the jump.
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Chris Long
As has been well-documented, Chris Long led the NFL in QB hurries last year; he also posted a career-high 8.5 sacks in his third year. As a pass-rush DE, he's somewhat limited. With well-above average strength, great hands and a tenacity that last for the entire game, he's more than a mainstay on the Rams' defense. He's a cornerstone. He's disciplined in run contain assignments, and focused on passing downs.
The interesting thing to keep an eye on is how offensive lines gameplan for him this year. Last year, teams often double-teamed him (sometimes even triple-teaming him), allowing James Hall to benefit from one-on-one looks; Hall proved he was more than capable of taking advantage of the lack of respect. And adding Quinn to this line should only open things up for Chris in 2011.
Robert Quinn
Beast mode. Friend of TST and occasional Turf Show Radio guest Doug Farrar had this to say when running the SackSEER model on some big name pass rushers from this year's draft:
Putting him on the other side of Chris Long might be illegal, especially with Steve Spagnuolo overseeing the both of them. This is one of those times when I simply close the spreadsheet, watch him all over again, and wonder if I'm looking at the Defensive Rookie of the Year.
I don't have much else to add here. I'm ready to see the Long-Quinn combo in action.
Fred Robbins
Robbins was a revelation in the run game last year, clogging holes with his 325-pound frame consistently. More surprising was his contribution on pass defense. It wasn't just the 6 sacks (a career-high in his 11 years); it was the power he brought. Collapsing pockets and getting in the face of opposing QBs, Robbins was a big positive for the Rams.
The Rams have tried to fill this spot by drafting Darell Scott and Clifton Ryan in 2009 and 2007, respectively. Neither has provided the impact Robbins did. Age and endurance are the keys for Robbins this year. If he holds up for the entirety of the season and can affect opposing interior O-lines like last year, he'll be a key figure on the D-line.
James Hall
As I said earlier, Hall had a great season last year, racking up sacks and providing another powerful DE for Spags to work into the rotation. Moving forward, his role will diminish, largely due to the addition of Quinn. With Quinn at RDE and Chris Long working against RTs on passing downs, Hall will be an early-down contributor and perhaps slide inside in passing situations. He's still a relevant member of this unit.
Like Robbins, the issue is age. For a team that will likely need to play all 16 games with its key personnel (and one that hopes to get those key personnel to the postseason), can James Hall give the Rams 100% for four months? He certainly finished 2010 well. Here's hoping for the same in 2011.
Eh, why not
Selvie's a wild card. A good 25 pounds or so lighter than Chris Long and James Hall, Selvie was often powered out in his rookie season. That was to be expected. He did show flashes of what made him a nationally-known DE at USF in college: quick hands, an ability to drop his shoulder and close off the edge quickly. With Robert Quinn on board, Spags has a bit of an embarassment of riches here (by design, obviously). Could we see Long, Quinn and Selvie on certain downs? I wouldn't be surprised.
We know Spags loves to mix up the rotation on the line, and now that he has a DE with the skills to work the edge and the frame to hold up against NFL-size OTs in Quinn, I could see him using Selvie more often than he did in 2010.
My favorite yeoman on the team, Gibson is a throwback DT. He's not athletic. He's not fast. Overall, he's not that talented. But he's strong, disciplined and works hard. That can get you on most NFL rosters, and four the most four pillarsy team in the NFL, it can keep you on the roster for years.
Gibson has benefited from the lack of a true talent at the 3-tech on the Rams' roster. It's a position I've had hopes of filling for years, in guys like Glenn Dorsey and Ndamukong Suh. Alas, it's still there in 2011; we could do better, but we could do damn worse too.
* As a 4-year vet with an expiring contract, it's difficult to project how his FA status will play out. The Rams tendered him, but at the original level - a sign they'd like to keep him around, but on the cheap. Time will tell.
The Gary Gibson of Rams DEs, Ah You is the most Spagnuoloish player of all-time. Built like a defensive end with a below-average defensive tackle's skill set, Ah You can play just about any position on the line and stand out at none of them.
He does maintain his assignments well, and his work ethic isn't in question. If it were, he'd be on trial in the Court of the Four Pillars for Motivation Inadequacy, the Honorable Ken Flajole presiding... In any case, he's under contract for 2011, so he'll see field time in 2011.
Hmm....
IMO, Quinn squeezes Sims out of the Rams' plans. A sixth-round project prior to last year, the Rams don't have much room in the DE corps with Long, Quinn and Hall at the top. It's hard to believe he'll see more time than Selvie moving forward.
Maybe the most surprising contributor on the entire team in 2010, Cudjo worked his way onto the field by late September, and was a relatively dependable rotational member at DT. Again, as I mentioned while talking about Gary Gibson, you can attribute his playing time largely to the lack of a true starter at the position. I wouldn't be surprised if the Rams re-signed him to give Spags a 300-pound DT to use in 2011.
Not extended a tender, it's impossible to envision a scenario where Ryan is a Ram in 2011. Adieu.
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Scott's been maybe the most inconsistent on the team, if not just the DL. Talented and strong, the Rams drafted Scott with the hopes the Clemson product would turn into Fred Robbins lite. Injuries and on-field confusion have slowed that transition, arguably bringing it to a halt.
Scott's under contract for two more years, but 2011 could be his last year in St. Louis. With Robbins firmly entrenched at the top of the depth chart and a much stronger (and more diverse) DE unit, I could see the Rams cutting ties with Scott ahead of his 2012 contract year.
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If Long’s gonna reach ProBowl status, it’s time. He’s a good player and I expect he’ll be with the team a loooong time. But he ain’t Howie Long, Deacon Jones or Suh. James Hall has been pretty good but he’s getting old. My guess is that if Quinn is 1/2 as good as forecast by the pundits and the TST faithful, Hall will be reduced to a role player to finish his career. I hope Robbins roars like he did last year, but again father time ain’t on his side. If Selvie that light, we need to convert him to OLB asap. No confidence in the rest of the D-Line roster. They’re b/u caliber tops.
That's actually a really good analysis
But I think Quinn is either boom or bust. He’s all speed, not much weight. The lockout has kept Spags from working with him on his pass rush moves, which is something that he needs a lot of work on. I think we will have at least on set where Quinn comes on at LB
by King Sam Rules! on Jul 23, 2011 2:50 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
You're gonna compare Long
to two hall of fame ends and the most hyped defensive tackle prospect of all time? That’s a bit unfair. Not many people are Howie and no one is or will ever be Deacon Jones. Long is a freaking good cornerstone to have on our defense and he was a legitimate PB candidate last year. Plus, if we get Cofield, the rest of those players are allowed to be backup caliber players because that’s what they will be.
"I kind of stepped my swagger up. You look at the Madden game and the swagger's so low, maybe they'll bump me up. Before it was a meatball flex, so you've got to liven it up a little bit." - Animal Jr.
The man was a 2nd overall draft pick and his Dad was a stud. So, yes, I feel he should be ProBowl Material.
I’ll conceded that Long was probably somewhat weakened by playing along with an aging Leonard Little at first and last year beside Gary Gibson (he of b/u calibre). Anyway, with Quinn around now, and if we get Cofield, we’ll find out just how good he is…
Pro Bowl material I agree,
but it’s unfair to compare him to those two and even Suh. Ye I agree, Long will have a great year if we get Cofield because that is one sick nasty d-line.
"I kind of stepped my swagger up. You look at the Madden game and the swagger's so low, maybe they'll bump me up. Before it was a meatball flex, so you've got to liven it up a little bit." - Animal Jr.
Yeah, he's not gonna be Suh
But neither is Reggie White or the Demon Deacon. Suh is gonna be the greatest d-linemen of all time (health allowing). I’d still take Sam though, cause qb takes ya farther than a linemen
by King Sam Rules! on Jul 24, 2011 7:25 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Honestly, I don't know that Long will ever make the Pro Bowl
maybe once or twice in his career. Pro Bowl invites are based on conventional stats, like sacks, interceptions, TDs, etc. Long’s not going to be nearly as productive in terms of sacks as Quinn will over his career IMO. Still, for a power LDE, Long can be one of the best in the league.
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by 3k on Jul 23, 2011 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions
i gotta agree with 3k
i don’t know if long will ever be a perennial pro bowler, but will have a productive career and be a huge contributor to what’s gonna be a very feared d-line for years to come.
p.s. nice choice in song brah, too bad winehouse just died…bummer…RIP
Rams will lead the NFL in sacks in 2011
If you look at the 2011 schedule and compare to the 2010 regular season rankings for sacks allowed, our D-Line has an excellent opportunity week after week. Here are the 2010 rankings for the teams we will play where 1 = most sacks allowed and 31 = least sacks allowed (tie at 31) in ascending order. Cardinals(x2)-2, Eagles-4, Redskins-5, 49ers(X2)-6, Steelers-8, Ravens-9, Packers-11, Browns-15, Seahawks(x2)-17, Cowboys-22, Bengals-24, Saints-28, Giants-31. That’s 9 games against teams ranking in the top 11 for sacks allowed and only 4 against teams the 11 teams with the fewest sacks allowed.
by TimRamFan on Jul 23, 2011 7:39 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
rec'd for research
adding Quinn should make a huge impact. Damn, I’m ready for the preseason
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by 3k on Jul 23, 2011 8:11 PM CDT up reply actions
If we don't get a good DT and..........
Big Robbins doesn’t produce, idk
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by Tevin Broner on Jul 23, 2011 10:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Selvie said he put on some weight on twitter.
I forgot how much though, I know its more than 10
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We might be witnessing ...
the FEARSOME FOURSOME 2.0 !!!
We sure need...another Dick Bass,
or someone like him.
Go RAMs !!!
To bad the Fearsome Foursome stand in legend, so we can't use it
But I have been absolutely racking my brain for at least 30 seconds to come up with a new legend name for us should it work out. What’cha got in mind VETT?
Aye Newbee, what part of Arkansas you from?
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by Tevin Broner on Jul 24, 2011 2:25 AM CDT up reply actions
But I gotta say, I left a long, long time ago.
Went everywhere from there. (except to the places I shouda went to) It’s terrible to spend this many years and not remember where you was most of the time. I shouda stayed home and owed up.
I live in NLR,
but I go to Conway for college, I can’t wait to get out of Arkansas. You lucky they trying to trap me here.
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by Tevin Broner on Jul 24, 2011 2:38 AM CDT up reply actions
You gotta leave there for sure-
But you’re going to college, so I’m sure you will leave with a future in mind. I left in a fever, hell bent for leather, with no guidance or plan, and things just went from bad to worse. I wish to God I could turn back time. At least to the point where my car would start.
p.s. There used to be a flat top white house right next to the college, on the main street
entrance in Conway. I spent some time there in counseling. Wonder if it is still there?
How long its been since you been here?
Yeah, i would leave, but I know I will be out here the latest will be four years from now. It’s not the place for me.
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I have been drifting in and out of there for about 30 years
However, one time I drifted in, and was a guest of the state for about 4 years. Another time about a year. Count your lucky stars-I know a bunch of guys that would trade places with you in a heartbeat.
None of us went to High School. It’ really tough later on to be the only 34 year old in class for a GED.
I know that sucked man.
Damn, when did you leave arkansas?
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by Tevin Broner on Jul 24, 2011 3:20 AM CDT up reply actions
lol I wasn't even born then.
Sounds like it was an interesting time.
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by Tevin Broner on Jul 24, 2011 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions
I like Cudjo
Hopefully he can be a good rotational guy
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by Tevin Broner on Jul 24, 2011 3:20 AM CDT up reply actions
Defensive Tackle
Before we go renaming our ( potential HOF ) Defensive Line. We’re going to NEED a DT.
Not taking away Robins stellar year. But he is getting older and history wouldn’t even put him close to Merlin Olsen, Rosie Grier or even Roger Brown for that matter. Although nothing will ever compare to “The Fearsome Foursome”, when and if we should ever get to the point of dropping a tag on our mighty 4, here’s a coupe to consider…
Freaky Foursome ( or just Freaky Four )
Horned Hit men ( or Horned Henchmen )
… if you could come up with anything to make a group of goats sound nasty, that might work too.
how bout the "FANTASTIC 4"? i just can come up with anything zamram with goats that wouldnt be associated with devil worship!! lmao!
by Mark Jaramillo on Jul 24, 2011 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions
I thought of
that but thought it sounded to crazy XD no disrespect
by ramsfanindia on Jul 25, 2011 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions
oh none taken my friend...
its a hard moniker to come up with. hard to top the “fearsome foursome”.
by Mark Jaramillo on Jul 25, 2011 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions
they wont
ever get to the level of the F.F… nobody will but they can become the next generation of fearsome defensive lines or at least a pass rushing one
Good one!
but will the wall be thorn down?
by ramsfanindia on Jul 25, 2011 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions
I was just rolling it around in my head-
Quinn and Long make a super rushing duo, and Cofield, Robbins and somebody could maul runners in the center, so I figured RAM WALL. (rush and maul) RAM

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