2011 St. Louis Rams depth chart: Offensive line
The NFL lockout is ending soon, real soon. And that means teams can get back to the business of preparing for the 2011 NFL season. Just as important, we fans can get back to the business of preparing ourselves for the season. To get back up to speed, TST is kicking off our roster review, taking a look at where the St. Louis Rams stand on the eve of free agency and camp.
Despite all the needs the Rams have left to fill, the offensive line has been a hot topic lately. Our Twitter feed overflowed lately with talk of the line, especially guards, and Rams Herd had a post last night looking specifically at the Rams' need on the inside.
Let's get right down to business with a look at the Rams front five for 2011.
Incumbents
For the most part, the starting group you saw last year will be mostly the same, four-fifths of it, for 2011 and probably a couple years beyond that. The notable exception is the right guard spot, held down by Adam Goldberg. Player by player, left to right...
LT Rodger Saffold - A rookie sensation last year, he still missed out on the praise due for having the best year of any other tackle from his draft class. Not that Saffold was by any means perfect. The Rams second-round pick struggled against some of the league's better pass rushers, which isn't uncommon for a rookie to do. Pro Football Focus recently graded the Rams line as the seventh worst in the NFL last season. I really like PFF and the work they do, but I took some exception to this piece, and not just out of sheer homerism. They made some pretty subjective statements yet failed to include an overview of how the quantify their stats and the rankings those produce. That PFF piece called the Rams tackles "far from impressive," but a prior post had Saffold ranked as one of the 15 best pass blockers in the league. Nevertheless, Saffold should take a step forward in his second season. He may not have the ceiling of Russell Okung, but he provides a solid bookend for years to come.
LG Jacob Bell - Bell was the Rams best lineman last year. He's athletic and does particularly well as a pass blocker, but he can pull and get to the second level to have an impact in the running game as well. We're told that the Rams coaches will be watching to see what kind of shape he's in when players report. Bell is due $6 million in salary this season and through 2013.
C Jason Brown - Brown did not play up to his contract value last year, struggling against the more powerful defensive linemen. Mauling was never Brown's specialty, but he'll need to play better in 2011. He dealt with knee injuries in 2009, and it bothered him last season too...so much so that the Rams later decided that it was more important to keep Hank Fraley active on gamedays than John Greco. Weaker guard play on his right side didn't help. Keep an eye on Brown this year, he may be the most important lineman that nobody's talking about right now.
RG Adam Goldberg - The weakest link on the offensive line last year, a big part of the reason the Rams running game never got off the ground. But there were $50 million guaranteed reasons that the coaching staff ultimately decided to stick with Goldberg whose experience playing tackle made him a more consistent pass blocker than the alternatives. My understanding is that a contingent within the building at Rams Park did not want to start, but if a team is leaning on a rookie quarterback, one that the franchise is building around, going with the guy who had a better chance of keeping him upright made sense. Goldberg is an unrestricted free agent this year. Personally, I think he has value as a reserve lineman. The Rams might feel differently, and given his experience, Goldberg might easily be able to find a deal elsewhere.
RT Jason Smith - Smith had his moments, good and bad, last year. At times, he looked like the guy picked second overall in 2009. He has to play more consistently. His salary is one of the Rams' largest this year at $8.5 million, and his rookie contract runs through 2014, which is a voidable year. Right now, he's "good enough," but he's paid to be much better than that. I sometimes wonder whether or not he has the mean streak required to play on the offensive line in the NFL. He has to define himself this year.
Knocking on the Door
OG John Greco - Some have criticized Greco for not earning the starting job since being drafted in 2008. Those jobs really wasn't his to earn that year or the year after as they were occupied by Richie Incognito and Jacob Bell. Going into training camp last year he was expected to compete but sat out most of August with an injury. Prior to the lockout, Greco received an original round tender, third round, from the Rams, which would seem to indicate the Rams aren't ready to quit him.
Depth
We really don't know much about this group, not having seen much playing time. Any one of them could surprise in camp or be easily replaced with a new crop of UDFAs and waiver wire adds.
OT Renardo Foster - Foster started in place of Jason Smith against and did nothing to hurt his case for being a backup. He received a low RFA tender.
OT Ryan McKee - Plucked off waivers in December, McKee is a relatively unknown commodity.
C Drew Miller - Another obscure linemen who spent last season on the practice squad.
Outlook
There's a case to be made for bringing in a free agent to fix the guard spot. However, given the other needs and likely targets at DT, RB and S, Devaney won't have the cash to make a big splash with a guy like Harvey Dahl or Carl Nicks. This really should be Greco's job to lose, but he figures to be on a short leash since the previous regime drafted him.
If anything, the biggest need is an interior lineman who can play center in the event Jason Brown can't play. Fraley may be that guy, but he did nothing to impress in the preseason last year. There are some potential players available among the undrafted free agents, and the Rams are likely to add an OL or two via that route for camp, especially with 90-man rosters.
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I counted three (3) Guards on the Rams roster.
So even though Drew Miller has an obscure background (he’s only been in the NFL since 2009) in college he earned four letters on the Florida Gators team which is a pretty damn good team. If he pans out, and I hope I get to see him play in the pre-season, he could have some value on the OL as a backup given the fact that he can play two positions, Guard and Center.
Go Rams!
"We can't run. We can't pass. We can't stop the run. We can't stop the pass. We can't kick. Other than that, we're just not a very good football team right now." --- Bruce Coslett, New York Jets Head Coach circa 1990s
I still say OG is by far the most important position for us to address.
If that means big money to a FA at the expense of filling other holes, then so be it. If the solution is Greco, fine, but I fail to see how he’s the answer if he didn’t even dress when Goldberg was getting blown up play after play.
I don’t buy the ‘Fraley can play center’ idea. I think Greco was hurt and we didn’t know about it, or he’s not our guy.
Safety is not as big of a hole as OG and neither is OLB.
OG has to be the top priority.
I can take a beating ... I'm a Rams fan.
by Midasknight on Jul 20, 2011 1:03 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
I don't know if I'd so as far as to say that OG is the most important position to be addressed in FA but
I do put that position ahead of RB and behind OLB.
Go Rams!
"We can't run. We can't pass. We can't stop the run. We can't stop the pass. We can't kick. Other than that, we're just not a very good football team right now." --- Bruce Coslett, New York Jets Head Coach circa 1990s
Oops! "go as far" not "so as far"...fat fingers make for typos, sorry.
"We can't run. We can't pass. We can't stop the run. We can't stop the pass. We can't kick. Other than that, we're just not a very good football team right now." --- Bruce Coslett, New York Jets Head Coach circa 1990s
Ask yourself this:
Last year, how was our running game?
Last year, how was our defense?
I guess we may just agree to disagree. In my mind, there’s no question the OG hole was bigger.
I can take a beating ... I'm a Rams fan.
like i said before, please! try to sign mankins, that would be the 1st blockbuster in free agency ill guarantee.
and ill also guarantee midas, the rams will get into a bidding war for cofields services, and thats not what they want right now. bottom line, cofield wants to get paid, i realise that, but to shore up the o-line, and protect kingsam even more, im down with that. instead of say signing cofield, and jackson, i would rather see our rams sign cofield, and mankins! benefit both sides offense/defense in one shot.
i really think stan kroenke wants to make a splash this season, and by doing it in free agency. grabbing 2 high profile F.A.’s like mankins, and cofield? ill be a happy camper.
by Mark Jaramillo on Jul 20, 2011 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions
I know you guys use, as it seems everyone does now...
PFF but there is no real evidence to how their rankings correlate to how coaches judge players. In a recent interview with PFF former Ram Kevin Carter acted like PFF was cute with their analysis and that he thought it was neat that they “grade” every play. Essentially the interview was like how a player treats fantasy football nerds or draftniks.
People fail to realize that their so called experts are nothing but bloggers who happen to get a job with them. That means their so called graders are fans of football hired to watch every game with a funky formula that they apply. These guys are not scouts, coaches or GMs. They are not former scouts, coaches or general managers. THEY ARE BLOGGERS! They don’t watch coaches tape they watch games recorded off of Tivo or their DVR. HUGE DIFFERENCE!!!!!!!!!!!
Take PFF’s analysis with a grain of salt. Having bloggers using some abstract formula to grade players from broadcast film while having literally absolutely no scouting experience what so ever is laughable at best. When I read their content, I treat it like fantasy football content, it’s useful in a fun way, but it’s in no way shape of form solid proof of a players ability or potential.
You seem to forget we are at a blogger's site.
We are not stupid, we are just bloggers, or in my case “blog readers”. So what else, football-wise, do you have to read during the off-season/lockout? Hey, it’s fun. Be happy, sit back and enjoy the content for what it is. VanRam does a good job at blogging and the PFF is fun reading also.
Go Rams!
"We can't run. We can't pass. We can't stop the run. We can't stop the pass. We can't kick. Other than that, we're just not a very good football team right now." --- Bruce Coslett, New York Jets Head Coach circa 1990s
i've worked with PFF stats for a couple of seasons now
They’re a very useful toolfor quantifying observational data. They admit their limitations – not having access to coaches’ tape, for one – but the fact that they actually watch and thoughtfully grade every play is a tremendous effort. I don’t fuss over decimal points in their rankings, but I do give a lot of weight to relative rankings w how one player or unit stacks up against his peers.
They are really no different from a highly advanced scouting grade. Between their work and Football Outsiders sabremetric approach, you can build a very good picture.
RamsHerd.com - Graphic Rams Discussion
often they lack context
which is part of the problem w/ the OL piece they did.
I mostly really like the work PFF does, but their OL rankings were pretty poorly handled…and defended.
by Ryan Van Bibber on Jul 21, 2011 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions
Holy shit that PFF article is a complete joke.
Bell is our best lineman and SMITH is the worst? He at least mentioned Goldberg, but Smith doesn’t even come close to that. Out bookend tackle were very impressive considering their age and will continue to get better. I honestly don’t think that guy saw any Rams games. Smith had much more good games than bad last year.
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imagine rams fans...
saffold
bell?
j. brown
l. mankins
jason smith…
with kendricks and hoomananwanuniwilliewonka (however you spell his name!)…as the te’s? (i think i just shit myself). josh mcdaniels,along with sam bradford , and steven jackson would be grinning from ear to ear.
I just can't picture the Rams
dropping $10 million per year to get Mankins. There are other quality guards that would come a lot cheaper than that.
how important was the running game to the Rams last year?
so much so that they basically stopped using their fullback
by Ryan Van Bibber on Jul 20, 2011 3:17 PM CDT reply actions
they wanted to get a guy who was more versatile than Karney
who could catch passes as well. They wanted more of a H-back type. Uh Oh did that role well for a while until he got hurt and then yes we went without a FB, which I didn’t get. Maybe because Brit Miller was also a ST’s ace we went with him so we could have an extra roster spot. Miller is another successful Illinois Fighting Illini fullback.
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but they basically stopped using a FB as a lead blocker
by Ryan Van Bibber on Jul 20, 2011 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions
because he kept tripping over Goldberg getting blown backwards thereby making Jackson have to dodge TWO blockers before he could even get to the line of scrimmage.
Plus Karney is pretty slow. Not much of a pass catcher. When he played, it meant Jackson was FOR SURE going to run the ball. Horribly predictable.
Karney became irrelevant at best and a liability at worst.
THAT is why they stopped using him. Not because they didn’t value the running game.
Come on, Van. Think.
I can take a beating ... I'm a Rams fan.
+1
Karney was pretty brutal this year, and started slowly last year after a training camp injury. His demotion isn’t a trend, just a statement on his performance. If anything, the Rams kept playing him far too long because Jackson liked him.
RamsHerd.com - Graphic Rams Discussion
karney isn't the point
they stopped using lead blockers almost entirely.
McDaniels systems haven’t traditionally featured them much either.
by Ryan Van Bibber on Jul 21, 2011 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions
Because they couldn't get past our O-Line to find a linebacker to block.
I can take a beating ... I'm a Rams fan.
by Midasknight on Jul 21, 2011 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Priorities: OG, OLB, and RB
Without a replacement for Goldberg and a quality helper for Jackson, the offense is gonna have problems running the ball. And that will reduce points scored. Without a quality OLB, it will again seem like the defense is playing with 9-10 guys as we’ll get killed on outside runs and sideline passes. In other words we’ll be seeing more of those horrific 3rd or 4th and long 1st down conversions against us. But, fix these three positions and we’re competing for the NFC West crown the whole way. We’ll have to look for a Safety, DT, #1 WR and another OLB later.
Holy Crap I agree with Ramchop
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Just as ...
OG would fix the offense, so would the DT fix the defense. Spags loves to only send 4 in certain situations. Mankins / Coefield should be our first 2 FAs’ no matter what the cost.
We sure need...another Dick Bass,
or someone like him.
Go RAMs !!!

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