The PBP: Lance Kendricks and the modern 2-TE passing game
Last time we fired up the projector, we looked at our first-round pick Robert Quinn and the impact he can have as a pass-rushing specialist. Today, we'll move on to day 2 of the draft and take a look at Lance Kendricks, the Pats' commendable use of two young tight ends from 2010, and some pros and cons from the concept.
(WARNING: this post is long and arduous. It is best digested with an Abita amber and some andouille. And a lot of time to spare.)
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Let's start with a bit of history. The development of the 2-TE Singleback (or Ace) formation comes largely from Joe Gibbs. To help negate the pass-rushing capabilities of Lawrence Taylor, Gibbs developed the H-back position. This new position required more versatility than any of its predecessors - it was part classic tight end, part fullback, part wide receiver.
Over the years, as other coaches implemented and modified the strategy to their own ends (namely Norv Turner and Tony Dungy), the 2-TE set became more commonplace. Of course, much of the push came from college feeding the right kind of players to the NFL. BYU has produced players tailor-made for the position, including Todd Christensen, Chad Lewis, Doug Jolley and their current tight end Devin Mahina; Wisconsin has done so as well with Owen Daniels, Travis Beckum, Garrett Graham and, of most importance to Ram fans, Lance Kendricks.
Today, we'll look at a couple things. First, we'll investigate New England's use of Aaron Hernandez, the youngest active player in the NFL last year who played the position to great effect in his rookie year, and Rob Gronkowski, who along with Alge Crumpler was used as a traditional in-line TE. Then we'll look at Kendricks' efforts at Wisconsin and some clips of Mike Hoomanawanui to compare to New England's young pair.
Hernandez and Gronkowski: the odd couple
Just more than a year ago, the Patriots drafted both Gronkowski and Hernandez in the 2010 NFL Draft in the second and fourth rounds, respectively. While the Pats already had Alge Crumpler on the roster, Gronkowski was certain to get a fair share of action if he could stay healthy. At 6'6" and 265 lbs., Gronkowski had been extremely productive at Arizona, though he certainly had notable injuries.
Hernandez, on the other hand, had played on bigger stages surrounded by NFL talent at Florida. More importantly, he had the experience of being paired with an NFL-caliber traditional tight end in Cornelius Ingram, whose season-ending injury before the Gators' 2008 championship season opened the door for Hernandez.
By week 4, though, the pair's college exploits were relgated to wikipedia pages and fans in Tuscon and Gainesville; Gronkowski and Hernandez were meeting most rational expectations of them in their rookie years and likely exceeding many. In week 1, Gronkowski helped the Pats hold off the Bengals by recording his first NFL touchdown. In week 2 against the Jets, Hernandez topped 100 yards receiving. The two combined to overcome a feisty Buffalo team in week 3, accounting for 108 receiving yards and a touchdown in the 38-30 victory.
The two were beginning to change the Patriots' offense; what had utilized Moss over the top and Welker underneath was now more diverse and efficient. Last year, Tom Brady threw the least interceptions of any year since he took over the offense in 2001, excepting 2008 where he sat out due to the knee injury. He posted his second best yards/attempt and yards/catch rates of his career. Largely due to Brady's MVP 2010 performance, the Pats finished with a league-best 14-2 record. Kevin Harlan and Solomon Wilcots discussed the effect of Gronkowski and Hernandez and the relative difficulty of the position:
So what is is the impact? What does this offense require? What does it do to defenses? Why am I asking myself questions? Let's break it down into three main categories: possession, formation flexibility and sector stress.
Possession
As we all know (or as you should know if you don't), some of the best pass-catchers in football history were tight ends: Mike Ditka, Kellen Winslow (I, not II), and Tony Gonzalez all had elite hands. So considering that adding a TE to a formation in place of a WR, you lose some speed and athleticism but add size and hands. That being the case, maintaining possession and, obviously, not dropping catchable balls is essential to the offense. Here's a great example from the aforementioned week 3 game between the Patriots and the Bills. Brady is going to hit Hernandez on a simple out for about a dozen yards to set up a 43-yard field goal that would give the Pats a one-point lead at halftime:
It's nothing spectacular, but the versatility Hernandez brings forces Drayton Florence to respect too many possibilities; as he curls off his route, he offers a nice window for Brady to throw into, finishing with a nice catch. This play didn't come out of a 2-TE set, so why show it? Because it sets this up:
That was a variation of the smash concept we discussed two years ago. Here, it's used to stress Leodis McKelvin's position. It's the kind of first down play that efficient offenses pick up with regularity. The Pats get a first down on 2nd and 6. How often did the Rams turn that into 3rd and 6? That's the difference. Notice Hernandez was lined up at fullback to start the play (we'll get to this later) instead of the classic H-back spot.
In any case, here's a play from the 2009 Champs Sports Bowl between Wisconsin and Miami. See if you can link this to the scheme:
It's a 2-TE set, with Garrett Graham (now with the Texans) to Tolzien's left. Kendricks displays great catching ability, scooping the ball off the ground. It earns a first down to extend a drive at the end of the half which results in points. No, it's not the same play - it's the same concept.
Formation flexibility
As I noted before, the use of the H-back allows for a TE to set up at multiple spots: TE, WR, FB or RB. By pushing the player around the formation, it forces some kind of response from the defense to adjust to the switch. Complicating things even further is the possibility of motion. The H-back can play off the line next to the traditional TE and motion into another position. Conversely, he can come out of the FB spot up into a receiving spot to begin the play.
The skill set required to pull off the versatility of the position is complex, requiring athleticism, quickness and strength to be able to effectively threaten the defense from multiple positions; Kendricks has the traits, and the tape, suggesting he is more than capable.
Check out this clip of two plays from the Wisconsin-Iowa game this year. Notice in the first play, he's playing in the TE spot on the left side as the only tight end in the formation. Following the reception on the first play (which shows off great awareness to curl his route right behind LB Jeremiha Hunter but in front of Brett Greenwood), the motion to open the second play is vital. Kendricks slides behind the line to suggest an overloaded strong side with TE Jake Byrne before settling in at a forward FB spot, allowing him to slip behind the line for a second consecutive reception:
Hold that sequence next to this play from Hernandez in the Patriots-Browns game in week 9:
It's not complexity for complexity's sake; it's the capabilities the complexity affords an offense. Having Hoomanawanui line up next to the tackle, at FB (as we saw at times last year) or in the H-back spot are all possibilities, and who knows how flexible McDaniels and Spags are going to be with respect to Kendricks. But given his experience at Wisconsin and Bradford's management abilities, there's no reason Rams fans shouldn't be prepared to see a much greater degree of TE sophistication this year. Especially given McDaniels' new favorite word...
Sector stress
Bernie Miklasz wrote a great piece that summed up the modus operandi for the Rams in rounds 2-4. In that piece, he had the bullseye quote:
"I think there's a fit," head coach Steve Spagnuolo said of his three new receivers. "I think we're flexible enough and versatile enough to take these players and use them wisely. I think it can go a lot of different ways, and I kind of like that. Because people that we're going to play have to look at it the same way: how are they going to do this? When you're unpredictable, that's the best way to be."
So what stresses do the 2-TE system put on defenses? What are the sectors or areas of the field that take on additional stress when facing this offensive approach?
A good first look are the charts Will from RamsHerd drew up a few weeks ago. This is a good graphical representation of the difference between a WR-laden offense (Denver) and a 2-TE offense (New England). You'll notice the deep passes, especially down the lines, aren't a key part of the Patriots' offense. Neither are the intermediate out zones. That's because the key to the 2-TE set is managing possession and working the LB tier of the defense.
First up, let's look a couple of plays made by Gronkowski in the AFC Division playoff game between the Pats and the Jets. This clip comes from the Patriots' first drive of the game, and shows how the 2-TE game creates first downs while stressing a specific sector of the field. In this case, it's on the weakside. On both plays, Gronkowski is going to work against a non-LB. On the first, he slips under CB Antonio Cromartie's zone; on the next play, he sells the block until taking the checkdown and blowing past DE Jason Taylor who had dropped into coverage.
The real key is that in the first play, Gronkowski is involved with the sector stress. In the second, he's the beneficiary of the stress on the opposite side drawing the focus away from the Jets' D.
The plays are drawn up like this:

Here's how the sequence played out:
It's also notable that Gronkowski goes from the 2-TE set as a receiver to a single TE set as a blocking draw receiver in the second play. That sets up a play in the second half where Alge Crumpler takes the blocking role and Gronkowski is the receiving TE with Hernandez on the sideline:
The complexity of the multiple 2-TE sets makes it incredibly difficult to guard that portion of the field. It's even more difficult if the defense gets caught in a playaction on a soft blitz. Take this play from the 2009 Champs Sports Bowl where Wisconsin drew in Miami's linebackers to give Kendricks even more space:
With the two tight ends and the single WR running thick posts, the intent is for Tolzien to see which LBs are drawn in by the blitz and then throw behind them. Should all the linebackers maintain their spot, Montee Ball or Mickey Turner are checkdown options. All three linebackers make an initial step toward defending the run, leaving plenty of room for Kendricks. Here's how the play was run:
The Rams have personnel to put more consistent stress on the underneath zones, but they have to improve their efficiency. Here's a pair of consecutive plays from the Rams-Chargers game in week 6. In the first, Hoomanwanui's at TE and Daniels Fells is lined up at WR. The run the same exact in route (it's creepy how synchronized the routes are if you focus on both of them), but Bradford throws it just out of Fells' reach. Luckily, it was only second down; on 3rd and 4, Fells is lined up at TE on the right side and crosses underneath Brandon Gibson and Mardy Gilyard for an easy first down:
Too often, the Rams ran into the same inefficiency on third down as they did on second down on that clip, to say nothing of their first down limitations. The biggest strength in utilizing a second tight end with regularity is managing possessions, killing the clock and wearing down defenses. Look at what the Patriots' offense looked like against the Bills:

That's 24-points by the mid-3rd quarter. The Rams scored more than 24 points in just three games last season. It's not a cure-all, but if Josh McDaniels crafts the second year of the Sam Bradford era around the possession-extending capabilities of Lance Kendricks and Mike Hoomanwanui, it's likely to be a key positive shift for a Rams team that is on the verge of making the 2007-2009 years of inadequacy a distant memory.
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Thanks for all the good reading
As usual, you’re on top of it. Very interesting read and much appreciated.
Amazing.
I’ve read this twice, and feel like I learned more the second time.
by Ryan Van Bibber on May 31, 2011 3:01 PM CDT reply actions
See that right there is making me want the season to stay asap
Can’t wait to see this in action
Sam Bradford to Austin Pettis
Kinda has a ring to it
Out of curiosity
How different is the WCO from the 2-TE offense? Is it mainly that the TEs stress the LBs more than the WRs?
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WCO is a system, 2-TE is a formation
The original WCO was the Air Coryell which was just an application of emphasis on passing instead of running. Bill Walsh’s WCO was about short timing passes, yes, but it was just an extension of passing to open the run.
In terms of how the 2-TE set applies, there is more stress on linebackers yes, but with the receiving TE, there is an ability to play any formation as a pass or a run. It’s more than just the sector stress.
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by 3k on May 31, 2011 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Very nice 3k
Is there a good bit of athleticism in the NFC West linbacking corps? I can only think of Patrick Willis and Aaron Curry in terms of linebackers with speed to cover. If that’s the case, then we should exploit that part of the field heavily.
Question: do the above play calls apply to exploiting both a 4-3 and 3-4?
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Well, the intent should apply either way
If you’re facing stronger, bigger LBs, your H-back should be able to find space more easily. If they’re more athletic, your traditional TE should have an advantage with his size and strength. It’s why neither Gronkowski or Hernandez had much consistency, and why I doubt they will. The matchups dictate the point of attack. The biggest difference is that the traditional TE becomes a more reliable threat in the red zone (Gronkowski had 10 TDs, Hernandez 6).
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by 3k on May 31, 2011 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Which is why I am excited about McD's creativity
He should be able to deploy our TE’s (and WR’s) to take advantage of their strengths and cloak their weaknesses
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One other thing to note: Steven Jackson was more productive running from a 2TE 1RB set.
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by Midasknight on May 31, 2011 3:43 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
At which point your WRs have to step up
It’s the best way to shut down the TEs, but then you’ll find your WRs have good 1-on-1 matchups. You have to make sure you have WRs who can beat CBs and have the hands to maintain possession like, I dunno, say Austin Pettis or Greg Salas?
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by 3k on May 31, 2011 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Do you think McD initially relegate Pettis and Salas to the intermediate level?
I don’t see Pettis running deep routes, maybe Salas will run seams.
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Can they beat a corner? Dunno, we'll see. And
personally, I still think they absolutely must have someone who can demand attention from a CB and a Safety over the top. That deep attention makes this offense stupid hard. Without it the Defense gets to cheat by a couple of important yards.
The 8th vid down, Pats Offense vs Jets Defense, you’ll see a Nickel on the TE Gronkowski. Didn’t matter, as Gronk blows by him into Safety territory within just a couple secs. Of course, that Nick has very weak speed too, so…
I look at things like this and am hopeful for the future but I can’t put a Pettis or Salas in there as easily as a Kendricks. It seems to me Kendricks will easily get the most playing time and be the biggest factor of the rooks, unless someone is way better than we think.
by CoachConnors on May 31, 2011 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions
I think that was a good vid to point out
You are now able to exploit a size mismatch against the Nickel. Having a TE with that mix of Athleticism, size and hands is very difficult for a CB to be in a position to contest a catch.
Brady constantly threw the ball to the TE’s shoulders and above. Being 6’6", Gronkowski had a serious advantage shielding with his body and snagging the ball out of the air before the Safety could get there. The ball placement with the larger TE against a smaller DB was constantly exploited by Brady.
This is all nice however...
You still need a speedy wideout to stretch the field, otherwise the entire secondary will play up waiting for the short to intermediate range pass or a handoff to the RB. The Rams lost a lot of games last year because they lacked a true deepthreat. Avery and DX had better stay healthy this year.
That didn't hurt the Pats when they traded Moss.
Speed is real overrated at wide receiver. It’s nice to have, but I don’t think its necessary.
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by Tevin Broner on May 31, 2011 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions
No you don't.
You absolutely don’t need a deep threat. You need reliable hands, field awareness and very good footwork. The intent is to stress the two sectors to the point that YAC lanes open up.
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by 3k on May 31, 2011 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions
My priorities
Hands.
Routes.
Speed/Quickness/Acceleration.
Agility (run after catch)
I don’t think they will be consistantly effective over the course of the season without someone who can occupy a Safety’s attention. You don’t need a 4.3 guy, but you do need a deep threat.
by CoachConnors on May 31, 2011 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions
you have to delineate between those three in the third category
You have guys who are quick who don’t have great speed (Amendola) that are absolutely vital in the right role. Lumping them all together is, uh, ungood.
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by 3k on May 31, 2011 5:45 PM CDT up reply actions
No, because I think they're all equally applied
You know that I I know they aren’t the same. I consider those skills equal in value to a WR.
I just think 1 or 2 big catches a game is all you need to instill the threat of going deep, and that is important for this or any other offense if you want to get to a legit contender level. This offense can be good for a while but not for the long term without a legit deep threat to stretch out a CB and a S. I understand it’s not based on throwing deep, however I also understand flooding can become gimicky without balance.
I think we’re going to see the rookies less than the vets (unless someone is spectacular) and if Avery is shipshape, they’ll have the deep threat and I would be very surprised f they didn’t play him in the role he’s best suited for: just a couple of major daggers per game.
I’ll take 2 to 3 rec’s at ~25 yards each, with virtually no YAC, and we’ll see the underneath open up like the Red Sea for Sam and his TE’s.
Can’t wait to see how it plays out.
by CoachConnors on May 31, 2011 6:04 PM CDT up reply actions
I guess that's a fair approach
And agreed on taking a couple shots to Avery each game. The key is to work them in with different personnel in different formations.
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by 3k on May 31, 2011 7:26 PM CDT up reply actions
You're talking balance and unpredictability?
I’ll take that all day, no matter what #‘s are in what spots. 10TE’s and a QB!
by CoachConnors on May 31, 2011 10:54 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I like the way you think
How about this:
4 OGs, 3 RBs, 2 WRs, 2 Cs. JOOOOOOGERNAUT!!!
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by 3k on May 31, 2011 10:58 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I totally disagree.
If you look at the best teams they all have one or both in common. 1) They have an excellent core of receivers (deep threat, YAC, and goods hands guys) or they have 2) a superior running game. New England has kind of bucked the trend with the first option by putting so many players with goods hands out there to catch the ball that defenses can’t cover all of the Pats options. So someone will catch the ball there, not just the 2 TE’s drafted. But that receiving game still revolves around Brady & Welker. And I still say that NE passing game is very dependent on a healthy Wes Welker. Edleman may or may not be able to keep up the slack should Welker go down. Two rookie TE’s only compliment them.
There is nothing more complimentary than someone deep and someone shallow, or someone far right and someone far left.
You’re working on the premise they can’t cover all the hands, but that premise is mistaken because one defender can cover more than one receiver by simply playing a zone.
I’m not arguing two TE’s won’t compliment the WR’s, obviously they’re all complimentary, but they won’t open Amendola like someone deep will. IDeep guy and shallow guy are most complementary. When the defense has to cover more square yards on any given pass — and that’s key, any given — then your passing game is unpredictable and optimum.
by CoachConnors on May 31, 2011 9:55 PM CDT up reply actions
They just need to understand the premise of stretching the field.
You can stretch the field sideline to sideline and be just as effective in “stressing the D” as stretching the field goal line to goal line.
That was why they targeted Kendricks and Pettis. Two guys that do a very good job of attacking holes in the zone coverages.
CC, you had your attributes for success…I would add one more- “football intelligence”. Guys that can read a defense and identify the “time and space” (this is my favorite term) on the field.
And I would add strength
in the last spot, as I think its nice to have but less valuable than other things.
All the things I listed are physical, tangible traits but your point is well noted. Probably most of the great players I know of had great awareness on the field, more instinct than knowledge. I can get with your term of football intelligence, sure.
I would not strictly agree with your comment that you can stretch the field sideline to sideline and be just as effective goal line to goal line. The further away you are, the less that’s true. I’m sure you’d agree that if the D could know all the plays they face would be within, say, the first 5 yards from scrimmage it’d be a hellofa lot easier to shut down that Offense. That’s an exageration just to make a point, and I get that different players at different positions help each other out. I’m just saying someone who can keep the S back a ways and maybe keep the CB back off the line makes more room for everyone else and saps the awareness those defenders would otherwise be spending in the short-middle field.
by CoachConnors on Jun 1, 2011 11:13 PM CDT up reply actions
I am pretty sure you understood my point of stretching the field sideline to sideline
Ultimately, you have to be unpredictable to remain effective. To think that you can only stretch the field goal line to goal line in this league is an incredibly flawed way of thinking, however the deep ball is the most commonly referred to tool.
My point was to further help what you were trying to get across. There are multiple ways to strain a defense and to stretch the field horizontally as well as vertically will make you a much more dangerous offense. You optimize the spacing on the field and make as difficult of time as possible for the defense.
You can not do only one or the other and expect to be successful. I was trying to further explain your comment:
“When the defense has to cover more square yards on any given pass — and that’s key, any given — then your passing game is unpredictable and optimum.”
you're absolutely right
I did understand. I think you also have complete grasp of the concepts too!
Didn’t mean to sound any other way.
It's certainly nice to have speed on the field
Especially someone who can turn a short screen into 6 (ahem Sproles?). But I’d rather wear out a defense (10 minute drives) and keep ours fresh.
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The Pats had so many receiving weapons for Brady...
Hernandez, Gronkowski, some guy named Welker, Branch, and Edleman (alias Welker Jr.). The 2 TE set worked, but mainly because other teams had to respect the WR’s in the lineup. It was no accident or surprise that Welker got all of the thrown balls from Brady. Defenses had to account for it, so the 2 TE set worked like a charm. You either have to have so many people in the lineup who can catch a pass that all of them can’t be accounted for or you have to have someone (like the ‘old’ Randy Moss) that can stretch the field for this type of offense to work.
Really?
You really think Deion Branch, Wes Welker and Julian Edelman are incredibly special WRs? Branch was cast off by Seattle, Welker and Amendola are practically twins, and Edelman wasn’t nearly as crucial to the offense as Brandon Tate.
It’s really not about stretching the field. It’s about maintaining possession.
The real key that people don’t talk about which is the main reason NE’s offense was so efficient was their run blocking. They made Danny Woodhead and BenJarvus Green-Ellis into a useful tandem. My biggest concern is if the Rams can come anywhere close to their production with AxJax.
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by 3k on May 31, 2011 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Nice post by the way!
thanks for taking the time to make it
by CoachConnors on May 31, 2011 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions
yo
Thanks for the comments. The point is to get a discussion going, and you’ve helped that along.
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by 3k on May 31, 2011 5:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Of course...
Branch, Welker, and Edelman aren’t all pros, but they outdid the Rams receivers last year, correct? Trust me, if Welker went down due to injury their passing even with a 2 TE set would have been in trouble. And Branch was unsucessful in Seattle, but Moss was also unsucessful in Oakland too before signing with the Pats. Obviously NE knows how to get the most out of their receiving core. The Rams used a lot of short to medium range passes to small degree of success against certain teams, but if you can’t keep the secondary on their heels they’re going to blanket receivers like they did our receivers last year. The alternative to having a deep threat is to have so many ‘good hands’ receivers on the field that you create a mismatches due to their sheer numbers. Thats the route I believe New England went last year. Amendola is a Welker clone, but there was only one Amendola on the Rams. Welker and Edelman are also clone receivers, so NE had multiple ‘good hands’ WR to take the pressure off the TE’s. But while New England’s offense was still good last year, it was no where near as explosive as it was when they picked up Moss from the Raiders. And you need go no further than the last Rams/Seahawks game last year to see how not having a good deep threat affected them. But it’s a good article 3k. We need food for thought articles like these to get our minds off of potentially not having football. I enjoyed it, though I do respectfully disagree on the success of the concepts mentioned.
BTW...
I agree with your comment on the run blocking. The Law Firm (BenJarvus Green-Ellis) and Woodhead (another one of those good hands player) did a great job of taking advantage of it. It seemed like New England passed a lot to set up the run.
Excellent!
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Great detail and comparisons with the side by sides. I have a better understanding of the two TE set and its many options. Top notch post!
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Entschuldigung!
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by 3k on May 31, 2011 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Very good read.
I cant wait to this this new offense. I just hope there is some training camp to get everyone on the same page.
thank you for an informative post
Hopefully this will give everyone q reason to believe in our draft… at first I was also like wtf but I look at it n we took quinn bpa which I have no problem w at all. And everyone think? What was our problem last year o or d? Nuff said stop hating, sb this year if the is a this year
by markg1127 on May 31, 2011 7:45 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
3k, you are magical
Now use that same magic and end this damn lockout please.
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H back
First off thanks for a great post. It must have taken alot of time and effort to put it together. I’m interested to get your take on the use of a H back in the NFL. I played 8 seasons of amateur football in Europe, the last 4 in an offense for that used Ace as it’s base formation. I played mostly X or Z but played my last 2 seasons at H before going on to coach the WR’s. An NFL offense is far more complex but the basic concepts are the same.
On the Gronkowski Post (vid #3)
(Not even halfway through and I have to comment. Wish there was a way to have comments in context…)
It takes absolute balls of steel to make that throw.
The goal of the play might be to stress McKelvins position by sending two unexpected receivers to the front and back of his position after motioning away from his side of the field, but the way Hernandez charges into his underneath route — and brings two defenders upfield with him — Tom Brady ends up throwing through triple coverage to get the ball to Gronkowski.
However, two of those guys have their backs turned, and are possibly screening McKelvin in the process … hard to say whether that was an intention of the play, or how Brady made the decision to send the ball that way even after the Bills failed to bite on the motion … but it was an unbelievable throw.
And yes, I believe Bradford is capable of making that throw, but Spagnuolo might have an apoplexy on the sideline in the process.
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I saw that throw
The first thing that came to my mind was damn. Thats why Tom is one of the best, a perfect throw, with that small of a window.
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by Tevin Broner on Jun 1, 2011 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions
3k
applause for such a great article. I expected as much, but damn this was incredible.
Had to leave it a loooong time to find the time to read it and understand it and I REALLY like what I see.
A job on ESPN/NFL Network would be an insult to your analysis.
I am a fan of this concept, it is incredibly efficient and can grind out yards, however, I think vs elite defenses and good D Co-Ordinators it’ll be very difficult to burn them consistently with the similar plays. I hope McD has enough varied formations to beat these and our guys execute but to me, while TEs are perfect as a complimentary target and we’ll see some improved production from them, we still need that big play from the WR.
The guy to do that may or may not be on our roster.
I see this offense and think, with 1:30 left on the clock down by 5, will it be quick enough to get us a TD? We need to obviously stress the underneath routes to open up the deep game, but again, will defenses ever fear our deep targets?
This is a great fit for Spagnuolo’s philosophy and I don’t think that can be ignored.
Main issue is that vs really good scheming this offense just looked ineffectual.
I have no doubts the TE, Line, QB and RBs can execute this offense very well with a view to the excellency Brady showcased next season, but I still have doubts over the WR corps.
Also, this offense is great in real life, but on Madden You’d throw at least 5 ints trying to do this stuff lol!
Bradford to Onobun!

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