The necessity of football knowledge, or lack thereof
So I'm working on knocking out another piece for the Playbook Projector on 2-TE sets and Lance Kendricks and all that good stuff. I should have it up soon (depending on video editing and conversion and all that stuff...), but as I was waiting for an mp4 conversion to finish up I started thinking about the purpose of the piece. Well, it really wasn't the purpose, but the significance of football knowledge.
All my boys growing up are Cowboys fans, having been weaned on the teat of the Cowboys of the 1990s. Growing up in Texas, we watched football at all three levels as often as we could: high school, college and professional. And yet, how many of my old crew understand a trips right whiz 24 belly? How many understand the intents of various formations and balances and substitutions and blocking schemes and positional technicalities and...I could drop another two dozen items to that list, and it still wouldn't be complete. In short, football is really effing complex. Which begs the question: how much do you really need to know to be a real fan?
Thoughts on football knowledge, my old crew of lethargic football fans and Dirk Nowitzki after the jump.
Actually, let's start with Dirk. At this point, if you care about basketball you know about the Mavs-Thunder game from last night. If you don't, you don't, and you probably don't care. One of the most interesting quotes I may have ever heard though, came from the Squirmin' German after the game in reference to the Mavericks push through last couple minutes of regulation:
We just ran [up and] down, we free-flowed. I don't even remember calling a play the last couple of minutes. We just ran down and pick-and-rolled and free-flowed it.
When I heard this, I thought to myself, "WHAT THE F?" It was an obvious reality, but one I had avoided dealing with. In basketball, you can literally win the most important game of a season by freestyling. The need for scripted plays is lessened by the ability of a single player to run a play basketball, to act as a quarterback, wide receiver and offensive line by himself.
Can you imagine the Rams in a tight conference championship with Bradford drawing plays on his palm like you used to do when you were 11 years old? Or how about not even drawing up a play?
Sam Bradford: "Hey Donnie, just run a direction, and I'll throw you the ball. And Danario, you run a different direction. And Greg and Austin, you guys are rookies so you run shorter directions and stuff. Now let's go make shit up on the fly in the most important game any of us have ever played."
I'm not saying basketball lacks complexity. But when you have 22 people on a football field all of whom have incredibly intricate responsibilities and assignments, it can be very hard to know what the hell is going on. It's actually damn near impossible. Which begs the question, "How much should I know as a football fan?"
Spencer touched on this at EDSBS in April of last year, but he focused on what fans "should" know, on the required knowledge. I'm just interested in what you guys think. What level of football knowledge do you want to have? Do you already have it? Does accepting and investigating the subtleties of football make it less enjoyable to just watch?
I honestly think that's part of it for my boys back in the D. It's not that they couldn't "learn" football. It's not that they don't have the intellectual capacity to digest sites like Smart Football or brophy; they just don't want to. And IMO, it's because they enjoy the blissful ignorance. Sure, it's hard sometimes to watch football with them now. A running back is gifted a giant lane, and they talk about the running back's talents without giving an ounce of credit to the offensive line. They talk about touchdowns and tackles without recognizing that those are entirely relative statistics to conditions that are out of a player's control. But so what?
It's a question I have my own answer for, but I lack the ego to promote my own opinion above that of the community. So I'll throw it at you guys. How much football knowledge do you want? Does it take away from the simple enjoyment of yards and hits and points? Does the Playbook Projector get in the way of lockout news which we all love so much?!
Holler.
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I enjoy continuing to learn more
I view it as a conversation piece, where you talk more than just “the Rams suck” with people who find out you’re a fan. In knowing WHY they suck makes it more hopeful when you see the draft and the free agency to put guys in place to bolster weaknesses. I’ve enjoyed watching them climb back to relevance because I know more about why they failed over the past several years.
THIS year there'll be football. I hope....
Great article and good question
Personally, I think it depends entirely upon the fan. If you want to know more, know more, but I don’t think it makes one person more of a fan than the other. To me, a fan ultimately wants to see his/her team win. It has nothing to do with how much you know, how often you see a game in person or how long you’ve been following the team (I do believe that such things as bandwagon fans exist, but I’d be stoked to have a bandwagon at all).
In short, passion for winning makes one a fan. Knowledge of the game just helps a person comprehend what is happening at a deeper level. You could be cheering for the running back or the offensive line, but they all wear blue and gold.
"I have something 95 percent of all those All-Stars only wish they had: a World Series ring. If I had to choose between that and being an All-Star, it would be no contest. I’d grab the gold ring and never look back." -Tim Salmon
Simple answer...
NO!
The playbook projector breakdown of the game is perfect for the fans that want “more”. If they don’t enjoy the the detail behind the post, then they don’t have to read it. I think it is great that TST takes to time to produce the quality of content that it does. Before, I found TST, I would bounce around from ESPN to Post Dispatch to Yahoo and anything else I could find. I have grown comfortable that TST supplies me with intelligently displayed information (most of the time).
I’m a firm believer that the cliche “knowledge is power” is very true. Playbook Projector is another tool that empowers the group from an educational standpoint.
Good shit 3K.
I agree
It makes for much more enjoyable conversation when people actually have an idea of what’s going on. I’m not saying I have any idea of what plays are called or even how to draw up any play but it’s aggravating when someone says something stupid like “damn it Jackson sucks why didn’t he hit that hole! I saw it from my couch (or seats or whatever)” when if you have the slightest idea what you’re talking about you can tell that maybe the play was crushed from the beginning cause the center possibly the other side gaurd got blown back on the snap making it difficult for the pulling gaurd to come around and lead block through the hole that Jackson was looking for, causing him to have to bounce it outside instead of just running through a slight hole where more than likely the middle linebacker is going to be waiting there to put the hit stick on him. Or any other combination of people just saying someone sucks without truly understanding why the play failed or why so and so didn’t do what they thought they should do. I don’t think it’s important or critical for the common fan to know what a “trips right whiz 24 belly” is but they should at least have the simplest knowledge of what each position is responsible for and how even the basics of a football play works. Cause if not then people just sound dumb trying to tell someone else that a player sucks because a paticular play didn’t pan out perfectly. If that makes the slightest bit of sense.
(I know I probably deserve a negative rec for the longest run on sentence ever but…)
it certainly does
that’s what Spencer suggested. Basics of offense and defense and the rules. Although that third one is hard to keep up with since the league demands annual changes to small rules I can hardly remember anyway.
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"my keyboard won't corporate, neighter will my smell check." - Knoxfan
by 3k on May 24, 2011 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Bring it on, 3k.
Having more intelligent analysis of what is going on is good stuff. Anyone who isn’t interested can just skip over the thread.
There are 2 answers
For one, if you want to be an opinionated fan, one that roams the internet or wants to be a go to guy for knowledge then yes it is important that this fan learn as much as possible. The articles on this site are fantastic for that.
The second fan, or the other fan, the regular fan doesn’t need to know this stuff. They are happy with their nightly news and sports stories and scores in their local paper. They don’t care about different schemes or sub packages or the route tree. They only care about the score and if their team won.
The problem though is when the regular fan tries to interject their opinion and tries to come off like a knowledgeable fan. I have run into a lot of these guys, they are usually the guy who says the Rams should draft Vontez Burflict in 2012 or that the Rams should try and trade for “OLB” Terrel Suggs or some other 34 OLB as if they can do the same thing in 43 defense. These are the same guys who don’t understand the difference between a 34 NT and 43 DT so they will say the Bronco’s should select Brian Price or Gerald McCoy in 2010. Usually I don’t even pay these types of fans any mind and just let them wallow in their ignorance.
+1
Anybody can be a fan. Hell, my girlfriend doesn’t know the first thing about football, yet she cheers for the Rams because I like them and watches games with me and cheers when the Rams do well (although she uses my cheering as an indication that something has gone well). Is she a fan? Perhaps. In any case, I agree that the difference lies in whether or not one wants to share their opinion, or even have an opinion. If you’re going to talk shit about this or that, you had better have the knowledge to back it up. If you don’t have an opinion, but just want to sit down, drink a beer, and watch a game, the less you know the better.
+999999
right on.
DaFranchiZe, I’m liking your comments. You know your shit and its great to see someone come on to TST and make comments like you do, its apparent you will be a valuable member of the community.
Look forward to reading your posts should you decide to write them.
Bradford to Onobun!
I agree with everyone else
It’s not like you can have a playbook projector and say:
The thing you’ll notice about Steven Jackson is that he is running and using both feet. You’ll notice that when he changes direction, his feet will also do the same. He also uses his hands to hold the ball in this play, as you can see here.
"Doin' blow off a strippers nipple" -VanRam
by Eric Nagel on May 24, 2011 3:25 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
lmao
Sam Bradford + Julio Jones = Championships all day...
Melo + Amar'e = NBA Championships all day...
by MyACLisBrittle on May 24, 2011 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions
You just gave me a hell of an idea!
The Playbook Projector: Football Player!
Football player is good at football. He is not slow. He is athletic and not fat; however, he is not small. He is tall and strong. Football player is better than his opponents. Football player works hard and it shows. Football player should get better as he gets older and gains experience.
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"my keyboard won't corporate, neighter will my smell check." - Knoxfan
by 3k on May 24, 2011 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions
I want to know it all.
I’ll take a chance on it maybe eventually lessening my enjoyment.
I am a coach by nature (but not football) so I love all the ins and outs.
I can take a beating ... I'm a Rams fan.
I want to know as much as possible
So I love these breakdowns and projector pieces. Keep it up!
Sam Bradford + Julio Jones = Championships all day...
Melo + Amar'e = NBA Championships all day...
I think both sides of the coin apply
There are far too many variations to adequately cover in enough detail (but please do try), and you can’t possibly over-teach because there’s so much ignorance it’s astounding (but please do try).
- Note that ignorance isn’t stupidity.
I only hope that guys don’t draw absolutes during your thing because that can be very misleading. Playbook Projector can be great when guys know it is examples and not law.
If someone were to say, for example, “In the Rams Defense, the Sam covers the TE”…
Does Sam cover the TE? Sure.
But does he have other things to do? Yes.
Do other guys cover the TE instead sometimes? Yes.
Some people realy think the Sam exlusively covers the TE. This is a great opportunity to expose the wrinkles and variations in various plays, in contrast to the absolutes that some people mistakenly think exist.
But is the opportunity an avenue to instruct or to dissuade?
There has to be a point on the line at which you reach critical disinterest. Otherwise, wouldn’t the demand for technical knowledge have spurred a football 101 source?
Turf Show Times editor, Mocking the Draft writer, and I gots that Twitter too, yo.
"my keyboard won't corporate, neighter will my smell check." - Knoxfan
by 3k on May 24, 2011 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions
an avenue to instruct
Critical disinterest = read a different post.
by CoachConnors on May 24, 2011 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions
but that's the point
At what point do people change the channel? Sure, if it’s hard news or has a picture of Olivia Munn or is of obvious relative interest, it’s going to get read. Mock drafts, random lists – that stuff generates page views. Deep statistical analysis and Xs and Os? Often doesn’t (see Smart Football).
The question for me is, how far are people willing to go for the kind of instruction they “want?” I recognize that if I bang out a PBP piece here at TST, TSTers will read it. And sure, because it’s SBN, we might get some cross-network traffic. But if the same piece with the information is at Fox Sports and we link to it, will as many people read it? Probably not.
I’m just confused at the level of motivation (or lack thereof) when it comes to a deeper understanding of the game. I’ve got books, I’ve bookmarked half a dozen Web sites, I stay up on Farrar’s and Bowen’s series…I can validate my personal suggestion that I’m hungry for a deeper understanding. But what does it mean when people want more but only if it’s put on a plate in front of them?
Turf Show Times editor, Mocking the Draft writer, and I gots that Twitter too, yo.
"my keyboard won't corporate, neighter will my smell check." - Knoxfan
by 3k on May 24, 2011 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Ah grasshopper
You’re questions go way beyond a Playbook Projector post, don’t they. Good for you. On the face of it I’d say, to your last question, it means you’re on the edge of the generation. Bottom line, it doesn’t matter if Billy Joe jumped off the Tallahatchie Bridge, because it would’n’t have killed him anyway. That’s all you need to know, Joe.
by CoachConnors on May 24, 2011 6:20 PM CDT up reply actions
3k, think of yourself as an educator..
But what does it mean when people want more but only if it’s put on a plate in front of them?
If you do not do it, who will?
Most of us here at TST do want to understand more about the intricacies of the game and may not have time to dig into all the nuances of position needs, formations, etc. so someone needs to put it on the “blackboard” to get our attention.
As far as the general fan goes, no, they can enjoy the product put on the field without knowing very much about what it takes to put on a production and whether the production was perfect or not. Not everybody needs to be a critic, they just need to be entertained for a few hours.
+1
Just do it man.
I hope that the major appreciation you’ll receive from 10 readers outweighs the passing interest of 30.
Readers will read what they wish and if you don’t give them a diverse group of articles people will be disinterested.
What makes TST SO great is the range in articles. From Draft grades, prospect analysis, playbook pieces, general news, history, lists, arguments (lol), good grammar and spelling, philosophical musings, (REAL) statistical analysis etc.. You just don’t get that at a place like Hogs Haven where it’s news and base commentary and that is it.
You show any real football fan TST and if you remove the Ramness it’d be the best place to talk football on the web. Fortunately it’s just for us!
Bradford to Onobun!
Personally...
I enjoy cramming my head with football knowledge, but I think just basic knowledge will suffice for most. For instance, if I’m watching a baseball game, I like to know what the beat strategy in each situation is, but the average guy might not know what the infield fly rule is, but he doesn’t care.
by WastedPotential on May 24, 2011 5:26 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
X's and O's
Your average fan watches sports for pure athletics.
Dan Marino’s quick release and accuracy
Barry Sander’s hips
Greg Maddox painting the plate
Babe Ruth’s Home Run
Michael Jordan’s fade away
Bobby Hull’s slap shot
Mario Andretti turning left
Tiger Woods third shot out of the ruff….etc, etc…
If they care enough to learn more, they will. If they don’t, it doesn’t make them any less of a fan.
You’re a respected and knowledgable editor. If you have something constructive to write…post it.
Do you know how you sound?
3k wrote:
Which begs the question: how much do you really need to know to be a real fan?
Like you are full of yourself. That’s how. A person doesn’t need to know jack s**t to be a fan, or even a true fan. With enough interest anybody will know enough to determine if his team is doing well or poorly.
To carry on a conversation with like minded individuals is an entirely different matter. Similarly versed on similar topic individuals should get along very nicely.
I wasn't suggesting a baseline of knowledge
the question was open ended. And if you get back around to this, I’d drop a follow up on your second bolded line – what is the extent of the second “enough,” in:
With enough interest anybody will know enough to determine if his team is doing well or poorly.
Will they? And what is it they will know to be able to determine so? I’m not suggesting I have the answers; I know I don’t. I was just throwing questions out for discussion’s sake. And yes, I ate a huge dinner. I am incredibly full of myself tonight…
Turf Show Times editor, Mocking the Draft writer, and I gots that Twitter too, yo.
"my keyboard won't corporate, neighter will my smell check." - Knoxfan
Hey-sup 3kdude
I have been throwing questions out for discussion’s o-sake too. Now I got full too on the Absolut Histological and Cytological Studies on the Liquor Contacting Peptidergic Neurons in the Preoptic Nucleus of the Japanese Eel (Anguilla japonica). So I think you’re at your best when you wright about what makes you feel good. The teknofobes can rant about a players twitch or shit but us fun lovin fans ain’t going nowhere! LOVE THE BREAKDOWNS!
No they won't
Just my guess, and I think you probably guessed as much, too.
I think you don’t need to hold back, bro. Jump.
by CoachConnors on May 24, 2011 11:45 PM CDT up reply actions
If Bradford becomes Jason Kidd, and Pettis becomes Dirk, then you can freeflow.
Kidd and Dirk played two-man basketball at the end of that game. That’s two future hall-of-famer’s with a basketball equivalent genius IQ – playing against one of the youngest playoff teams in history.
Let’s not underestimate their greatness. Yes, it’s a little easier in basketball to freeflow. All it takes is Kidd and Dirk.
Still, I can see a future where Bradford gives a wink to Pettis and they immediately connect on a game winning skinny post.
Tom Brady can free flow
it may be scripted free flow, but man, that offense just moves up the field like a feather in the wind.
I’m really excited for McDaniels to implement his offense with what the Rams are starting to put together. It may not be perfect, but it’s not going to be dull.
"Doin' blow off a strippers nipple" -VanRam
well...
I’m almost 70 and used to post on CBS. I finally switched to TST A few months back and I am loving every minute. Learning is the ultimate empowerment.
We sure need...another Dick Bass!
Go RAMs !!!
Personally
I only know the smallest bit about each play and call, especially that trips whiz 28 hannah montana shit lol
All I get from that is its a trips formation, 28 may relate to a blocking assignment or route or snap count.
I don’t think a football fan NEEDS to know it, but it’s down to them to decide whether they want to or not.
I like to know stuff, so I’ll strive to learn it, but I’m also not gonna feel inadequate when I don’t know it.
I hope you don’t dumb stuff down too much in your posts 3k, everyone here is smart enough to understand or if they don’t post a comment to ask you what you mean, thats what is great about a blog.
It is frustrating when people don’t recognize simple aspects of football, but all you can do is try and teach them, if they don’t want to learn, don’t talk football with them lol
As a UK resident I have had to teach myself everything I know and I like to think I’ve done a good job of it. I understand assignments, the ideas behind route combinations, timing of certain plays, ball placement, even cadence and snap counts and home field advantage as well as others. It’s not a huge knowledge like others here, but it’s enough for me to engage in a conversation and I think thats all that is necessary.
Bradford to Onobun!
Yeah, but you're in the UK
and you haven’t sold your soul for the Arsenal, so I have to question your sanity….
Turf Show Times editor, Mocking the Draft writer, and I gots that Twitter too, yo.
"my keyboard won't corporate, neighter will my smell check." - Knoxfan
nah
should be though. You got some inside info on Ryo?
Turf Show Times editor, Mocking the Draft writer, and I gots that Twitter too, yo.
"my keyboard won't corporate, neighter will my smell check." - Knoxfan
by 3k on May 25, 2011 7:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Even if they don't know it now, guys will feel better after learning more about the game because
there’s more detail in what you can enjoy, there’s more to see, there’s more you can feel sure about in your analysis and even more informed opinions.
Now guys might sit here and not realize that, or even care, but I think the truth is after they learn something they’ll end up enjoying fotball more afterward because, as I siad, they can see more.
But understand, no one has to have the intenion of learning (or even the desire to) in order to learn. Most people just want to be entertained. Mixing the two is win.
As someone who is geographically challenged/frustrated
and who gets (almost) all my football knowledge through the internet, feel free to drop some knowledge anytime. You type it and I’ll read it – and if I don’t fully understand it first time I’ll just read it again (and maybe do a little reasearch) until I do. The variety and depth of info given by authors and posters, and the opportunity to learn from them, is the reason why I keep coming back to read TST.

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