My final word on the 'saga'
This is an open letter (with a cursory stare to senior writers such as VanRam, 3k, VT, CoachConnors, T.Ram and Buckeyefan lol) that will hopefully better present what has been happening over here on TST.
From this thread on I will avoid any other comment, and hopefully as a result of this I won't have to.
It seems to me that RamChop can get away with behaviour that shouldn't be tolerated on TST.
I understand that opinions that go against the grain are integral to TST, however, quite simply put, there are enough opinions and more valuable opinions that are not entirely positive towards the FO on this page. We do not need a designated antagonist who will hammer an opinion that is presented as fact.
We have enough of a broad perspective on this team that one poster should not be allowed to make the entire page less enjoyable for other visitors under the label of being a 'differing opinion'.
We are all individuals with our own opinions. If people agree, let it be, if they do not, let people express it and discuss it until a common ground is found or they agree to disagree.
What TST does not need is someone who will resort to petty name calling and insults as a response to discussion. If you do not have anything further to say to support your argument, you can just not reply, or you can continue to try and put your point across. To continually resort to petty nicknames and insults and changing the subject is a mockery of the time spent by an individual within that discussion. It is also something that is seldom seen from people on TST, besides RamChop.
While I understand that banter should not be outlawed and we should still be able to have fun, which I'm sure many of us do, there is a difference between banter and an attack.
RamChop's most recent post was not related to football apart from it's use of football as a guise for it's real purpose. It was a post made to anger, offend and create a negative response within TST and it succeeded.
While those that rose to the challenge made by Chop are equally to blame, myself included, I feel that a warning or some sort of comment from someone with authority would be advisable with regards to avoiding the mess that followed. This is in no way a criticism of the guys who are running TST, because quite frankly, the work you do here is absolutely phenomenal and I can only hope you get paid for it, it is mainly a suggestion or a request to avoid this happening in future.
When a post has a name such as "You Ram apologists want negativity?" it is clear it is not an expression of anything but contempt towards the entire community. It is an attack.
It seems that the majority of people on TST's, especially the kids and authors (those that actually bother to login during baseball season) resent being told the truth about the state of the Rams. Well somebody's got to tell it like it is even if it disrupts the false overly optimistic harmony that has gained a lock on this website. I've noticed alot of the oldtimers have quit posting and commenting. I guess they either got banned or weary of arguing with foulmouthed kids and pie-in-the-sky optimists.
Without going into semantics or picking words out here, you will see that the opening paragraph of this post clearly outlines nothing with regards to football or the Rams, but instead an attack on everyone who uses this site and who express themselves through comment or FanPost/FanShot.
This should not be accepted.
The rest of the post is just a regurgitation of previously and very often stated opinions, with jabs at the TST community interspersed throughout.
An example:
Fact? So who's proud of those two games???
This post was there to criticise everyone who doesn't agree with RamChop, which is not what TST is for.
What took place in the comments is there for everyone to see and has been discussed in some detail in Richter122's well meaning and well said post.
The point of this post is simple.
I would like to see everyone on TST treated equally.
I do not feel that people should support and encourage Chop's behaviour when it evidently is counter productive.
I do not want to see RamChop banned. I feel that RamChop is a member who knows a lot about Ram history and has the same right as everyone else to express his opinion. The issue is, is that he does so with a viguour and confrontational attitude that crosses the lines set out in the rules we all signed when we joined TST.
I know that Chop nor anyone else here has to do what I say or feel, nor am I demanding you to, I am simply suggesting a form of mediation from those in a position that Chop cannot ignore asking him to tone down the antagonistic nature of his posts.
No matter how long you've been on TST, you should not get away with things others would not. This is not a 'good old boy network' this is a public forum for Ram discussion and we are all equal in here.
If Ramchop does not agree with the direction of the team, he has every right to express that. What he doesn't have the right to is to belittle, insult and accuse other members of TST.
It doesn't matter if his 'facts' aren't backed up by anything but age, this means that they can be discussed, which they are, and many people who may not get involved in the discussion may still learn something. What does matter is when someone makes a comment and ramchop replies like this:
What's worse; bitter asshole or happy asskisser? I think we know where you fall out there Les.
This is all I ask of you senior members to stop ramchop getting away with.
It isn't pleasant to read and unfortunately it has lead to the departure of a consistently excellent poster in Mooseknuckle.
Many Thanks for reading and I hope you all understand my point a little bit better now and that it may contribute towards a more peaceful and less antagonistic environment on TST.
I apologize for the manner in which I responded to chop's attack and know better now to ignore it.
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There is no question but that RamChop is a "glass half empty" guy.
However, I think he has the right to that position, and once you get by some of the negativity his posts do contain a fair amount of truth. As you have said, you don’t need to respond to them if you don’t want to encourage him. I think if you respond rationally to him and not with emotion, you can have a reasonable discussion.
I am concerned by a post that suggests someone should be cautioned without saying that all who resort to name-calling and bad language should be equally cautioned. There are quite a few posters here who routinely get emotional and start accusing another poster of some of the same things, using the same language, this thread wants RamChop cautioned for using. I have been the target of some of these attacks several times, but never from RamChop.
If you want to set up rules that say what posters can and can’t do, fine. But the rules have to be the same for everyone and not just limited to one person.
by andyhawk on May 17, 2011 5:46 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I agree to an extent
however, if you respond rationally and without emotion, you may still get insulted.
I believe that everyone should be treated equally, that means that I would probably get a warning too, which I accept because of the ramchop like manner in which I went about trying to expose him.
That is a shame to hear andyhawk, I don’t believe I have seen it. Of course there have been flare ups, but it is difficult for me to remember any specific ones that did not involve ramchop in it’s genesis.
I do not want to set up any rules, but I would like to see some form of mediation of the current rules from those with the ability to.
Again, I can’t state enough that I believe in freedom of speech, but I cannot accept the way in which people will come to Chop’s defense because of his tenure here.
Without meaning to be too rude, but chop has an affinity for stating the obvious in his posts, and while they may state a commonly shared opinion or even MAYBE a ‘fact’ once in a while, they are always eclipsed by the abrasive manner in which they are presented.
There is a way to be critical without being a d**k.
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Infemous, you know I agree with you
He ruins the whole site for me. It is a pretty intelligent community – this one dude. I can hardly stand to read comments threads that he has posted on. He is a troll and has nothing to add. period.
If you love something, set it free. If it doesn't come back, find it and kill it.
I wouldn't go so far as to say he ruins the site for me
The sheer quality of stuff on here is enough to get me over whatever things I don’t like.
The positives FAR outweigh the negatives, but I will agree that his trolling doesn’t make TST any better IMO.
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To be honest - I havent even read all the stuff that everyone is talking about...
but in th 4ish years I’ve been visiting this site daily (mostly), this type of flare up has happened a few times and there is always one common demoninator – edChop.
If you don’t like it, then you just have to ignore him the best you can. He is a pot-stirrer that likes to bang on his drum. So let him bang, just dont throw gas on the fire. Its not like I disagree with him on everything either – its just that his message delivery is crap.
I should be working right now...
+1
I would love to see a day when edchop as you call him would actually present a point in a manner that isn’t abrasive or antagonistic.
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edpjr changed his name to RamChop
hence….“edChop”
I should be working right now...
Your Welcome
I think him meaning to start things with people has gotten out of hand and you can tell he’s trying to start something by his title which gets people mad because his name calling so people don’t read it. If he had a better approach it wouldn’t be so bad. There’s a lot of people on here that don’t agree but they don’t take it to the extremes he does.
Get some impact players!!
I blame De Smith and the owners
If they could give us a football season we would have ever new football matters to discuss. As it is, all we have is the aftermath of the draft and the lacunae in the roster which are becoming stale as subjects because nothing is changing.
Unless anyone wants to discuss courtroom football or the 2012 draft, many posts will be re-hashing of the same or similar points (but kudos to Van, 3k and everyone else who has come up with new subjects to read) and certainly the same frustrations remain, leading to the same arguments, which in turn leads to greater aggrivation between posters with differing views. This clearly contributed in no small way to the recent large scale fall out.
When you have so many passionate and devoted fans being deprived of football, but still wanting to discuss football, this sort of thing was almost inevitable.
If we were to get football that moves forward then this crap disappears IMHO.
I also recd...
Well written and said. I agree for the most part, with what you said, and feel it needed to be said. I’m at work right now and for the most part skimmed the article. When I get home I will read it carefully and will more comments about it. Well done and thanks again.
I agree with you man.
But everybody else is right, he does have his right to be as negative as he wants…just don’t play into it. My dad was the same way…he would rant and harp on the same stuff over and over again. It used to drive me crazy! I just got to the point I would just let him say his piece and walk away….agree to disagree and that’s really all that needs to happen. Ramchop is right about alot and he does know what he’s talkin bout he IS a glass half empty guy. Honestly I even find some of his posts and comments hilarious….not that I’m a smart ass too or anything lol
by teatech2 on May 17, 2011 7:50 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
LOL
wow people reeeaaalllly don’t like Ramchop. I have not gotten into any arguments with him as I just take his opinion as just that… an opinion so we have no problems. But this is like watching battle royal hahaha. Can’t wait to see how it ends
Seahags, seachickens, seabitches, seafags, seasucks, anyone else got more names?
There is a program on TV that I despise!! So guess what??
I change and watch another f*cking channel. There must be a thousand threads our posters can go to and type all they want. Where did they go? TO CHOP’S THREAD! nobody forced all those 435 posters to keep going back to be what they felt was insulting. The posters were there because THEY WANTED TO BE! It’s like a honky dude going to a black comedy show to get insulted. You’re there because you are DRAWN to it. You even pay good money to be insulted! Chop just does it for free and tries to point out that some of us REALLY ARE dicks and to give light to the fact that we have/drafted mediocre players minus one.
Cheers! bottoms-up!!
signed: knox at the bar with REAL assholes that know f*ucking EVERYTHING!
by Knoxfan on May 17, 2011 8:15 PM CDT reply actions 3 recs
I actually like ram chop
As I like all of the tst community! I probably read every post…and I’m with you Knox! I know I don’t agree with everything said on here but ain’t that what a blog is? A place to agree or disagree? You got a good point tho…if you don’t like what’s on…change the channel
by teatech2 on May 17, 2011 8:51 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Yup just change the channel...
or just look at his posts and think mute button if you don’t like them.
Never feed trolls.
I should be working right now...
You have literally added nothing useful to this thread.
"And a boring game for boring people. Did you ever watch golf on television? It's like watching flies FUCK. Think of the intellect it must take to draw pleasure from this activity: hitting a ball with a crooked stick and then WALKING AFTER IT" -George Carlin
by stlcardsfan4 on May 18, 2011 1:00 AM CDT up reply actions
LOL - Nice.
No soup for you!
I should be working right now...
stlcardsfan4 I do value your opinion and respect you a lot
but that’s a hypocritical comment and pretty much goes against the purpose of the thread. No offense.
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Haha - I think he was being saracastic...
unless my sarcasm meter was broken
I should be working right now...
Mr. Infemous,
with all due respect, and remember I’m sayin’ with all due respect, that idea ain’t worth a velvet painting of a whale and a dolphin gettin’ it on.
by DaaaaRams802 on May 17, 2011 9:53 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Dont feed trolls
They just get bigger and fatter. Ramchop thinks he has a platform because people comment on his threads. I just wish they could be where they belong. On the stltoday forums.
If you love something, set it free. If it doesn't come back, find it and kill it.
"Censorship is telling a man he can't have a steak just because a baby can't chew it." -Mark Twain
“Freedom is not only the absence of external restraints. It is also the absence of irresistible internal compulsions, unmanageable passion, and uncensorable highlights.”
- George Will
I find it hard to fathom why, in a community such as this that is driven by the written word, that exists in abstract thought, could foment a desire to quell it.
In its ideal guise, a fan site such as this is for those that hold one thing in common. In our case, it’s the Rams. We are the same that gather in stadiums on a Sunday, we just hate paying for parking.
The energy of the crowd, the noise of excitement and passion, are left to us each to supply, for without it this site would die.
Whatever you write here, becomes a part of what we are here. Some write with Eistein-ian statistics, other write of pride or lament. Put it all together and it becomes TST. All parts are necessary, none will survive without the other.
“The whole drift of our law is toward the absolute prohibition of all ideas that diverge in the slightest form from the accepted platitudes…” H.L. Mencken
by Douglas M on May 17, 2011 10:20 PM CDT reply actions 3 recs
Its more about douche control
communities operate better douche free
If you love something, set it free. If it doesn't come back, find it and kill it.
Errrr-you should,'t type that in bold-
Because you may not realize that indeed you are as guilty as RamChop, just on opposite ends of the spectrum. It seems you want carefully controlled jargon of nice, Chop wants free for all. Ever watch Babylon 5? The shadows pursue evolution thru confrontation, the Vorlons pursue evolution thru conformity. In the end, both are right, yet both are wrong. Human nature will have a song that calls each of us individually to the beat of our own drum. TST welcomes all who want to express themselves—-except those scumbag Seahags of course—
by Knoxfan on May 17, 2011 11:15 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Why must you continually call people names in your posts?
In your own way, you are being as abrasive as RamChop. Please try to write posts without calling anyone names. It isn’t necessary, and it doesn’t add to the discussion.
by andyhawk on May 17, 2011 11:26 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm seriously losing respect for you the more I read this thread.
"And a boring game for boring people. Did you ever watch golf on television? It's like watching flies FUCK. Think of the intellect it must take to draw pleasure from this activity: hitting a ball with a crooked stick and then WALKING AFTER IT" -George Carlin
by stlcardsfan4 on May 18, 2011 1:01 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
NAME CALLING!!!!
He called someone a douche!!! Ban him!!! Holy shit he called someone a naughty word!!! It’s the end of TST forever if we don’t ban him or at least moderate him!!!
by cgerken44 on May 18, 2011 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
You can relax cgerken44
He will be ok with his douche bag and will not get banned. It would be serious if he would have said “seahawk fan” instead
by Knoxfan on May 18, 2011 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Now THAT would have been a reason for a ban if I ever heard one!!
That’s a pretty horrible insult. The only thing I can think of worse than that is to call some one a ku jayhawks fan… But that’s just me personally.
(I was obviously just being a smart ass about him being banned in the first place if anyone didn’t catch on to that)
I agree entirely
and I hope you understand that censorship is the LAST thing I want to see on TST. The very last thing.
The purpose of this post was not to censor, but to request people in a position to do so to reason with chop. There is no way he’d listen to someone else on TST, but he may listen to one of the authors seeing as it is clearly his greatest aspiration to join their ranks.
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Ok, I'll just say one comment on the matter
where’s ramchop?!
Ok, back to my ‘no comment’ strategy.
"Never kick a fresh turd on a hot day."
If anyone cares what I have to say on Twitter: @Sergey_Konyshev
lol Sergey
he’s rec’ing every comment that disagrees or questions my post, hence the insane amount of green in the comments.
Quite lame really, but up to him!
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Rec'd
We’ve all tried our hand at rationalizing with chop but even when his arguments are proven to be false with hard facts and concrete evidence he continues to preach false notions. It gets old, especially when he never has anything to post on positive rams news.
Per fas et nefas - Latin translation="By Any Means Necessary"
thank you
and I agree, although despite the gaping holes in his arguments, I can look over them, no matter how frustrating, it is however a pain that he’ll then move onto someone else after you have ‘defeated’ his ‘facts’ and say exactly the same things, filling the thread with nonsense and/or then resorting to petty name calling, which is not acceptable IMO.
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could not have had said it better myself
Per fas et nefas - Latin translation="By Any Means Necessary"
If you haven't been here long
It was not unlikely to see “controversial” posts/comments erased maybe 2 years ago. But with the increased popularity of the site, it’s become evident that the quantity of low quality posters has risen substantially. Since there is an allowance of poorly written posts, it would be difficult for me to support the censorship of not-as-poorly written posts, though decidedly “negative”. I strongly disagree with the method Ramchop employs because I strongly agree that it provides an inhospitable environment for new and old posters who want to express differing opinions, but he isn’t as poor a writer as some of the other posters around here.
On another note, the reason posters refer to edChop as such is because around the time edpjr was peaking in negativity he posted something to the effect of “this is hopeless, I’m taking a break”. On the very next day, Ramchop was born. Due to arguments with those monitoring the site, it was revealed that Ramchop had been posting from the same IP Address as edpjr and the response from Ramchop went something like “yeah but alot of people use my computer” or something along those lines.
And yes, it seems almost cyclical that there is a big fallout with this guy, however this ones definitely been more serious than the previous ones (name-calling, created posters used specifically to detract from Ramchop, moderation suggestions, etc.). I think the right idea is to either ignore his posts or read them and calm down (via yoga, running, youtube, masturbation, etc.) before you reply.
All you need in this life is ignorance and confidence, and then success is sure.
-Mark Twain
You Idiot--
How in the hell does one masturbate while typing on the computer?
Oops-I see now-that is BEFORE you post.
ok-I’ll drink to that
They are without a doubt the same poster
edChop that is. If you follow both their posts – they are similar beyond coincedence. They both began being fans in 69 (here and here), they both worked accross the street from Ericsson/BofA Stadium (here and here), hates profanity (he used to try and degrade people who used it until the site got too large to keep up with everyone), and are the only people on earth that I have heard use the word suckle – at least in relation to football an not farming (here and here)
I don’t get the charade – attention starved I guess. 1st he makes this grand exit as edpjr only to show up a couple of days later as RamChop from the same IP address. And he still schizo’s out every now and then to post from both of the accounts – delivering strikingly similar cheery messages.
I should be working right now...
by gorams77 on May 18, 2011 2:51 AM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
I respect you man
but you should seriously look into something else to fill you time than going after someone like this. It really is pointless. Not meaning to offend, just a friendly observation.
They will notice and they will giggle.
by papapegasus on May 18, 2011 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
eh - No worries
I dont have a problem going after him every now again to call him on stuff – as he is quick to go after others as well.
No big deal though.
I should be working right now...
I'm glad that the deleting no longer takes place
Some posts may be ‘poorly written’ but they can contain some great stuff and also alongside the increase in these posts there have been some absolutely fantastic stuff that is worthy of publication in my opinion.
I am in the camp believing chop to be ed, and there is no doubt in my mind they are one in the same, however it is of little concern to me, it’s just an indication that he may have bi-polar or schizophrenic tendencies or some form of attention deficit disorder. in no way is that an issue as it is harming no one here.
+1 about the calming down before replying, I’ll definitely do that before I do reply should I ever do so again.
I’m glad everyone has learnt to no longer feed the troll.
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Haha, wow
With all due respect, but this was completely unnecessary. In my few months of membership here, Ramchop and very few others have been the only ones to critically analyze the Rams and any Ram-related football without fluffing it with ponies and butterflies. Now, we’re all adults here and should know by now that everyones got opinions and they are entitled to them. If you don’t agree with someone’s opinion, either try to debate it with facts or simply ignore/avoid it. I don’t think I recall Ramchop ever getting hostile with anyone until disrespect was shown towards him. Yes, he has a negative approach to presenting his opinion, but once again, I don’t think I can recall Ramchop flat-out disrespecting TST members from the get-go.
To me, it seems like some people are a little too sensitive for the internet world. Like Knoxfan said, if you don’t like it, change the channel! And if you can’t resist the urge, don’t get all pissy when your happy bubble is popped by someone else’s OPINIONS.
Oh, and whoever said Ramchop doesn’t know anything about football… just do yourself a favor and cut it out.
p.s. this is all from my half a year experience here.
I bet Sarah Palin can learn a playbook faster than Mardy Gilyard.
I'd hate to be an underperforming Rams WR this offseason -____-
by Rams07 on May 18, 2011 2:30 AM CDT reply actions 2 recs
I've only been here a year
and I’m not the first nor will I be the last to be irritated by chop.
That you say you have not seen him getting hostile with anyone until disrespect was shown towards him is lucky for you, but is not the case. There have been more examples than I’d care to publish for you of him attacking other members for simply having a positive opinion.
The thing that people are misunderstanding about this post is that I am not against alternative opinions, I am all for them and I know that while being generally positive I was one of the many to be upset by our draft and even made a post called ‘Worried’ that outlined my dwindling faith in the FO. The only issue I have is the manner in which chop expresses himself, namely abusive language and nicknames and trolling.
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I like Infemous' opinions on here....
….but RamChop gets to stay. Freedom of speech.
Those who don’t like it, don’t feed the trolls.
The truth is always the right answer....
by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on May 18, 2011 1:35 PM CDT reply actions
I agree entirely
and thank you.
It’s clear that the less anyone comments on his things the better for everyone it is.
Never will I ask for someone to be kicked off this site. I agree entirely with freedom of speech but I also agree with consideration for others.
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For the love of whoever you believe in
Just give it a rest. I log on to this site everyday, sometimes more than a normal person should. I have read countless posts and try to read the comments as time allows and have been a faithful follower of the Rams since before the move to STL.
Yeah Ramchop rubs me the wrong way more times than not. Other people do to. If you feel as if you are wronged by something someone posts why can’t you be the bigger man and ignore it. Turn the other cheek?
I am not a fan of Ramchop’s opinions 1/2 the time, but I realize he is entitled to the opinions he has. Frankly more times than not you guys that have a problem play perfectly into his hands!
We could launch into a whole debate about freedom of expression for hours, and I would be more than happy to do that in the appropriate forum. Why can’t you just ignore posts that get your goat?
You and the cohorts who are all against Ramchop seem to be back tracking about being on a campaign to get him banned. Sometimes it’s better to take a breath and digest a bit before posting with emotion. Yeah Chop could take that advice to.
Just let it go man. You can only control what you can control, be the best person you can be, and the chips will fall where they may. I have considered leaving TST a few times because it does seem to be overrun now with the younger generation who know most of what they know about football from Madden and they probably have no idea who Youngblood is or who made “The Tackle”. But I have realized like many here that our team needs these new fans, these men who we can pass on our knowledge to. Conversely we also need the antecedent to the positive spin on all things Rams.
I chuckle at a lot of stuff that Chop posts, and I also chuckle at his opposition. Don’t take this too seriously man. Passion is one thing, wanting to silence someone for their crass attitude and dissenting opinions is another.
Let’s get back to talking about Football and our beloved team instead of this cock-fight! Thick skin gentlemen!
They will notice and they will giggle.
by papapegasus on May 18, 2011 1:46 PM CDT reply actions 3 recs
please don't misunderstand my post
I have not once called for RamChop to be banned from the site.
All I ask is for people to not feed the troll and for the authorities to keep an eye on the insults RamChop makes to other members. Not once do I say I want him banned or anything.
This post was also made with the intention of putting a sense of finality to the matter so that we can all move on.
It’s a shame you have felt like leaving, but as well as our team needing these new fans, these new fans need long time fans to share the information of who Youngblood, Deacon, Van Brocklin, Dickerson and Mike Jones are.
This is a forum for discussion and I’d hope that no one leaves unless their computer or internet breaks. We need everyone, including chop unfortunately, but even though we need everyone, we do not need to accept abusive behaviour, that’s all I’m saying and I hope you understand.
People have seen and come to a common understanding that the best way to deal with chop is to ignore him, and hopefully because of this TST will no longer have Chop antagonizing and insulting other members.
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How about other members that insult Chop? It runs about 10-1 or more against him-
RamChop is baited far more than any other poster with posts like “Boy, that move was really good by the FO! Where’s Chop? What’s he going to say now?”
The expectation that Chop is going to be negative about something comes from a pre-disposition that he is wrong about everything. Big mistake! I can go back and check facts as well as anybody, better than some, and its true that the facts sometime go against me, but I have a special ability to streeeeeeeeeeeeech them as I see fit. RamChop will do it (as I have said before) like the IRS. No BS, just the facts mam’. Its when posters don’t like the results of RamChop’s take on things they start with a triad about those facts. Take a walk in the past to when the Rams were going 1-15, and RamChop looked like a choirboy compared to a lot of you same posters. I’ve only been a Rams fan for a couple of years, so I don’t have any built-in perspectives to whack him or anybody else.
(except some that I love to whack)-thats my Priveledge.
by Knoxfan on May 18, 2011 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'll agree
No one should insult chop any more, hopefully this ‘saga’ is over with. If people don’t comment on chop’s stuff, there will be no insults and a better TST as a result.
The fact chop is baited by a positive comment is his issue. No one directly addresses Chop in a Post title saying “You negative Ram fans should suck on the success of this FO” or anything along those lines. You know as well as I do that there is and was no excuse for the post chop made that clearly made a huge issue which it shouldn’t have.
The issue about chop being wrong is that unfortunately he seldom has any form of fact to back it up. I will dispense opinion as much as the next person and may even try and present it as fact, however if someone counters it I will do my research and try and win the discussion, or I will eat humble pie quietly, alone and demonstrate my defeat with my non response. The fact chop resorts to insults is wrong.
I think people get offended when chop doesn’t back up his points because unfortunately they went to some effort to prove their point with no reciprocation on his behalf. While there is no demand or law that chop must respond in a similar fact, there is an expectation and sense of courtesy around on TST.
I only joined a year ago after a few months of reading (but never comments) so I can’t comment, but I don’t doubt chop under his various guises has made a salient point in his tenure in TST, however recently he has not and it rubs people the wrong way.
As has been said we all know to ignore him now and avoid this confrontation as it ends up with the sort of backlash we saw recently.
Bradford to Onobun!
I just don't take him seriously anymore
He used to be someone who’d at least post stuff up that made sense, but lately it’s gotten pretty bad.
"Doin' blow off a strippers nipple" -VanRam
Hi Ram_rod-
I have seen posts of yours from last year and enjoy them all. Since your a friend, I’ll share this with you so you won’t have any expectations from me. I am not the Knoxfan you know. My dad passed away and I am the oldest son, so as soon as I was sober enough, I took over his affairs. I had to go thru rehab first, but it was terrible! They don’t serve booze there!
Now-two years ago I couldn’t care less about Football. If I still lived in the lousy floppy half-way house, I still wouldn’t care. But I had to make a promise to be where I am now, and the Rams quickly grew on me. AND I got TST! I belong to something real. I use the Knoxfan sig because I don’t know how to break the password on the laptop. It has thousands of everybody’s posts on here. So here I am, a novice at football, drunk most of the time with the hangers-on, but we are having a blast with the Rams! So no-don’t take me seriously, I just have fun and I think there are some that I brighten their day a little.
Sorry to ramble, but you sounded disappointed that Knoxfan didn’t sound himself-at no other time will I post this, and would have sent via e-mail but not sure how to do it here. See ya on the funny pages!!!
do you remember
this and this? You’ve got guts, and I respect both your willingness and ability to work with the board. You make this place better and I hope you don’t stop.
by CoachConnors on May 19, 2011 12:21 AM CDT up reply actions
Seeing those old posts and the names of people that no longer post on TST remind me of how many folks authors like you have driven away from the site.
It was rather pleasant during you 6-month sabbatical. But all good things must come to an end. Now play up this “Saga” post to the max because you sure remind me of Inflamous. And this post is loaded with fb facts and discussion about the Rams just like TST wants. If it wasn’t for a few guys like Van, 3k, VT, Tevin, Doug, Knox, Jord, etc., I wouldn’t post on here either.
You're mistaken. I didn't drive them away, I banned them outright.
At this point Ed, if I acted like you I could say that “you don’t know what you’re talking about again” or “Get your facts right idiot” or some such rude thing, but I’ll stick with the gentlemanly thing and give you the benfit of the doubt and simply say you’re mistaken.
If one moderator encouraging another — by reviewing the factual history about the impetus behind this website’s repeated turmoil — makes you feel threatened enough to insult me, then my examples were exactly the right ones to use.
by CoachConnors on May 19, 2011 1:02 AM CDT up reply actions
Don't get too omnipotent.
Any of those fans that you “banned” could’ve been right back on here in 10 mins under a different ID if they’d wanted. The problem is they didn’t care enough to come back. They were tired of dealing with moderators like you and lost interest in the site. I know a couple of them. They’re still Ram fans, just not players on TST anymore. In fact, so many knowledgeable fans have left the site and been replaced by malcontents and/or kids playing Ram fans just for kicks, that it’s just not much fun anymore. I’m really tired of writing for an audience comprised largely of people with little Ram or fb knowledge, and who are apologists for a failing team. As for your cleverly disguised attempt at “gentlemanly” insults, let me say the record will show that 99% of the time my frosty responses are counter-attacks after someone has insulted or cursed me. I don’t take that sh*t very well. One of the absolute worst offenders, that’s not a kid, is a guy called Habte. This guy has a mouth like a sewer. And “moderators” like you and Rod are more than happy to ignore it as long as it’s not directed at you. Well you may’ve accomplished what Inflamous, RG, Serg, Swag and about 10-12 others have wanted. Suddenly, I’m not entralled by posting or commenting on TST’s or calling into talk radio. So try writing something of interest yourself for awhile. Even on the front page I seriously doubt you, or Rod, have the capability to elicit hundreds of responses or collect dozens of rec’s. I guess time will tell…
Come on Ed, stop.
The guys I banned didn’t come back. Mission accomplished and I’m content with the outcome.
The only problem with that “Good Bye Ed’s Leaving You Jerks” story you wrote was it was one big huge lie. You pretended to leave but then snuck back in under the RamChop name and turned yourself into an outright liar and fraud by doing it that way. I can only expect this time will be no different if you choose to “leave”. Bottom line, no one is scared of you taking your ball and going home, and no one is going to S your D to get you to stay.
If you gave it any thought, you’d realize that I have consistantly given you a fair shake and all you do is keep insulting me. If you or anyone else read those links (and the latest posts here), it’s unmistakable that you drive away people on par with no one else, and a lot of people were very fond of your latest contributor-turned-disgusted departue, Mooseknuckles. So stop with the smokescreen of hypocritical assertions, they’re transparent.
Half your reply is insulting me, and half is a call for help with guys who bait you, and half is telling me that you won’t be posting anymore, like that’s a threat to the board’s success or something.
Look Ed, I have no love for the baiting that is done to you with insults and name calling. What do you want me to do? I think you deserve a fair response but I deserve fair too. My saying you’re mistaken is not an insult, and you know it. I never call you names.
You make it impossible for me to do when you insult me and try to mischaracterize me to be one of them. I understand not taking that sh*t very well, as I struggle to find patience when it happens to me too. We have a lot of common ground, dude, if you don’t allow yourself to get caught up in being defensive where you truly don’t need to be.
When guys try to tell me to delete your comments or ban you, I ignore them. Why? Because I’m giving you a fair g-dam shake. I never threaten you with moderation, even when you’re walking the line of unreasonable disrespect, whether baited or not, and even when you when you probably did deserve to have comments deleted for their petty namecalling content. So recognize that I’ve been fair with my moderation and you and be fair back with me, Ed. I don’t deserve your insults. And it makes it impossible for me to stop others from insulting you, if that even is a legitimate concern of yours and not some half-assed attempt at misdirecting the conversation away from your insultive behavior.
If you want to stop posting, it’s up to you. I’m certainly not inviting you to leave, but we all have to make your own decisions. If you want to particpate, then do. If you want assistance with people who are legitimately harrassing you, then fine maybe I can help, but don’t treat me like shit or you won’t get my empathy.
by CoachConnors on May 19, 2011 3:26 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Thank you CoachConnors
I’m glad chop’s behaviour is not being ignored by the mods and I’m very glad you are treating him EQUALLY, however he dislikes it.
It’s evident from all the posts you presented that there is a disturbing recurrent theme and I hope that what you say will be enough to end it.
Bradford to Onobun!
I have no problem inviting him to leave.
His comments lost value months ago. About the time Ed stopped and chop started. He sure had no problem inviting all of us to not let the door hit us where the good lord split us in the first anti Ramchop post.
Wolf. Wolfgang Wolf
I mean the first anti-Ramchop post
by Moose-knuckle, who, by the way had more to contribute without being insulting than Ramchop, and Moose is now gone.
Wolf. Wolfgang Wolf
sure, but
I’m not not inviting you to invite someone to not stay, and I bet you picked up on that when you wrote this. Truly.
by CoachConnors on May 20, 2011 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Last comment in response to you
let me say the record will show that 99% of the time my frosty responses are counter-attacks after someone has insulted or cursed me.
This is not true and you know it. If you call being trumped by strength of argument or statistics insulting you then you have to re-read the definition of the word ‘insult’.
Fact of the matter is, is that you really need to understand that TST does not revolve around you and your time in the spotlight is over. Contribute stuff that is of any form of merit and TST will be a better place, don’t and those hundreds of comments and rec’s you so yearn for will not be there.
Bradford to Onobun!
by Infemous on May 19, 2011 9:58 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm 17 but I'm wise beyond my years chop.
I had one blow up while you went off on one of your many played out debbie downer rants. Sorry your virgin ears couldn’t take it. Change your diaper and grow a pair
Per fas et nefas - Latin translation="By Any Means Necessary"
no not after a few racially tense words were thrown out
People who forget are too weak and fragile to keep unhappy thoughts in their heads. Afraid they’ll become depressed or mentally unstable.
Per fas et nefas - Latin translation="By Any Means Necessary"
Or happy and enjoy life?
When you come within a breath of the big one a few times, most youngsters realize that unhappy thoughts are just after thoughts. I’ve spend a LOT of time in bars, pubs, dumps and the graybar motel. One thing is constant there-holding on to unhappy experiences. It supports them because they fear the act of happiness more than the mantra of conflict. It’s easier to be mad because of the very low expectations required of you. There is a responsibility that goes with making others and yourself happy. And yes-I am qualified to lecture, because I Really, REALLY been there-done that.
Rec'd.
And bookmarked so I can refer to others.
This and Ram_Rod’s may be the only ones I rec on this.
by CoachConnors on May 18, 2011 11:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Edpjr, please take note
The posts I rec’ed were not anti-Ramchop, they were not ban RamChop or bashing RamChop…..they were the ones saying basically leave RamChop alone and move along. The very thing you have said you wished people would do if they didn’t like your posts.
This is the closest I have to defending your position on the board, you rude remarks to me above were bullshit and completely undeserved.
by CoachConnors on May 19, 2011 1:25 AM CDT up reply actions
And just a note
I think you do post somethings that are worth looking at RamChop. You are incredibly pessimistic (much like myself, whether you choose to believe that or not). But I think your aggressive writing style turns some people off.
Also, word to the wise, whether you hate me or love me, don’t complain about us not removing non-football posts when you talk about knowing karate or saying how nice it was during Connor’s leave of absence (should I call it that?). This is starting to get out of hand with the whole fanpost after fanpost guys. I know it’s a lockout and we are all bored.
Perhaps we should make a Off-Topic fanpost, so that people can get back to reading and writing about the Rams instead of complaining about each other? I’ll ask Van and see what he says…best not upset the Supreme Overlord now..
"Doin' blow off a strippers nipple" -VanRam
Lol
‘Supreme Overlord’ haha!
I’d like to know if he’s bothered to read this or is he too busy commanding his minions to find Ram news for him?
Personally I like that idea and have seen similar things on other sites.
I really hope that yours and Coach Connors’ words have dissuaded chop from acting like this is his forum to dominate, antagonize and belittle and that he is thoroughly exposed so that no one from here on in feeds the troll.
Bradford to Onobun!
Ramchop is Ramchop
he will do whatever he feels like.
And yes, I’m pretty sure Van reads most of this stuff.
"Doin' blow off a strippers nipple" -VanRam
but he won't get away with it any more will he?
Takes some restraint to be silent about it. Kudos to him.
Bradford to Onobun!
Shame on us, unless Chop made 494 of those posts by himself.
Everybody was pouring gas on the fire. Some guys just respond differently than others. Some guy just makes a joke out of it. How many times did we ALL return to a thread that CHOP WROTE? we’re all guilty. Where would that thread have gone with 16 posts instead of 494?
That's pretty much been my response
Since his GBCW post. I had a couple of comments there, and that being enough I ignore anything he posts, regardless of how many times he calls me a turncoat for not kissing his ass.
Wolf. Wolfgang Wolf
I thought this would be about the Star Wars saga.
Boo.
by Abrantes on May 18, 2011 3:44 PM CDT reply actions 4 recs
haha, YES! rec'd
"Never kick a fresh turd on a hot day."
If anyone cares what I have to say on Twitter: @Sergey_Konyshev
My final word on the Star Wars Saga
Star Wars is AWESOME. (no nerdo)
Bradford to Onobun!
by Infemous on May 18, 2011 3:52 PM CDT reply actions 4 recs
doesn't it anyway? lol
I think Yoda would make a great WR, he probs runs a 3.5 40, and has a 70 yard vertical.
Darth Vader a great QB, prototypical QB height, cannon arm (well robotic) and he can ‘force’ the ball into tight windows.
Bradford to Onobun!
haha!
Han Solo with the arrogance of wideout!
Yoda and Han at WR 1 and 2 with jar jar over the middle as a slot guy at 3, Darth Vader at QB, Chewie at TE, Jabba as the entire Oline… We’re set on Offense except for RB? who’d be RB?
Bradford to Onobun!
Lando of course! He immitated Gale Sayers in Brian Song, so we just have to tell him he's Marsh Faulk
that car is on something trippy
Turf Show Times writer and a proud rams fan. follow me on twitter @jmwehrle
I've always thought that Ed-Chop was a SEAHAG throwing out his negative barbs!!!
We sure need...another Dick Bass!
Go RAMs !!!
Nope Ed-Chop is a Rams fan, just more passionate about failure from bad coaching or play
Reading back on Ed-Chops posts a few years, he was famous for calling out under performing players. or players that were just plain bad. Other posters did that to in 2009. Who wouldn’t in a 1-15 year.

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