A Message to the St. Louis Rams: Free John Greco!
Adding an offensive guard was supposedly a pretty high priority for the St. Louis Rams heading into the draft. At one point in time, it was whispered that they planned to make an OL among their first picks in the draft. The truth is, however, that the need to beef up the right guard position has been a little overstated.
Facing Washington in week three, the first win of the season, the Rams started using a rotation of Adam Goldberg and John Greco. They continued to do that through week eight with a record of 4-2. Don't get too carried away by the win-loss record.
But Greco's run blocking got some votes of confidence throughout the season and into the offseason as a potential starter for the Rams.
Here's Rob Rang right before the draft:
The Rams had their best success running the ball last season when John Greco was sharing time with Adam Goldberg at right guard. But because of some injuries at tackle, the Rams had Renardo Foster active instead of Greco for the final eight games of the season. The running game suffered as Goldberg had to play virtually every snap.
Here's what Pro Football Focus said after week 7:
These past few weeks, Adam Goldberg (+0.1) and John Greco (+3.1) have been splitting time at right guard. Although Goldberg had his best game in weeks, this was the first time that Greco got to see more time than Goldberg - and he showed that he should be the starter. Greco had a great game in run blocking and allowed no pressure at all. He is graded as our No. 4 overall guard despite just 153 snaps - he needs to get more playing time.
Here's PFF summing up Greco's season:
Greco performed impressively when given a chance at guard. In the four games he played over 30 snaps, he had perfect games in pass pro, with his pass blocking grade only marred somewhat by the sack he allowed in just six snaps against Seattle. He proved dominant as a run blocker too, his +7.1 rating grading 7th amongst all guards. Look for Greco to be a starter in 2011.
What's ultimately the solution remains to be seen. They can probably get by just fine with a rotation of Goldberg and Greco. Personally, I think Goldberg brings more value as a swing man, specifically backing up the tackles.
Of course, judging the performance of interior linemen isn't an exact science. Some believe Jason Brown's play suffered last year, as he lost more power battles. Was that a decline in his performance or a cause-effect thing of the issues at guard.?
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I can’t say I fully understand the situation. Greco seems as if he was made to play inside but hasn’t been able to put it together on this level. He had all kinds of experience at tackle in college, what happened between then and now? Either poor coaching or he just doesn’t have it. Maybe both.
If Greco is rated higher than Goldy
Then why did Goldy get the start?
The only thing comparable to a Rams win is a 49er loss!
by DevsLaRams on May 13, 2011 4:47 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Another thread trying to polish a turd. The first two comments are dead on. Neither Greco, nor Goldberg are any good.
And Bell has not played up to expectations. The combination of two weak OG’s has adversely impacted Jason Brown’s play as well. The whole middle of the offensive line seemed to cave back into the backfield on critical short yardage plays last year. I hope one of the many TE’s we’ve got on the roster now can play OG, or OLB, or RB….
Tell me about all our great FA pickups besides Jason Brown and the aging Fred Robbins.
Would you consider Ni’all Diggs, Hollis Thomas, Hank Fraley, James Butler, etc. to be indicative of great free agent pickups??
if you know so much
why aren’t you a GM?
is your name Zygmund?
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They dont always have to be great.
Hall isnt great….Robbins wasnt great Butler and Dahl arent either but some were better than others and while I do believe the FO kinda fails in the FA portion on the offseason I do believe they can make a smart move here and there.
"Victory at all costs, victory in spite of all terror, victory however long and hard the road may be; for without victory there is no PLAYOFFS."
Winston Churchill
let not be too unfair now
Chip our ex owner had little to no interest in football let alone FA spending spree. This year would have been the true test as to WHAT Stan would do in FA. To bad the current CBA is wrecking it.
The only thing comparable to a Rams win is a 49er loss!
by DevsLaRams on May 14, 2011 12:42 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Amendola has proven himself to be a real good pick up,
but the thing is show me a team that has over a 90% success rate with the players they draft or pick up in FA? Hell, we can even lower it to a 75% success rate. Go ahead, we’re waiting….
Just because you say we need an OG doesn’t make it so. When you don’t respect a teams WR’s and stack the box you’re gonna make the O-line work real hard. Our O-line will be improved by just having offensive weapons.
Also, remember not everyone who plays in the NFL will start right away and most work their way into more playing time. Learning, developing skills & strength, etc. In reality, you have unrealistic expectations.
I'm sick of hearing "stack the box." The answer to that is a few quick short pass completions to the outside.
Do you think “stack the box” is something that other NFL teams haven’t caught onto?? Frankly, I’m sick of people making excuses for a team 13 games in 4 years. And we’re 8-24 under Devaney/Spags. Just because you’re an apologist doesn’t make my expectations too high. I guess you were making excuses right after the hawks beat us on national TV 16-6 for the NFC West title with their b/u QB too? Honestly, I don’t think I’ve heard anybody defend Goldberg’s play but you.
you really are moronic
how did those quick short pass completions to the outside work for us all season?
Bradford to Onobun!
I'm not talking about Goldie, I'm talking about Greco
You know, the guy the article is about. Come on now, pay attention.
This is baffling
Really how on earth do we not activate Greco for Renardo Foster when Goldberg could play at tackle if someone went down?
The great thing about Goldy is his versatility along the line. Foster is just way too tall to see a snap inside and as such Goldy suffered through too many snaps. In all honesty what this indicates is that we need more youth at RG because while sharing snaps makes a lot of sense, you’d ultimately want a guy who wouldn’t cost your team games playing every snap. If Goldy and Greco were great sharing time it shows that they need replacing…
Regardless, something should have been done with regards to his inactivation, its entirely baffling.
Bradford to Onobun!
greco has to be the starter this year
we didnt draft a guard and signing a starter via free agency seems unlikely, due to the fact we have so much money already put into the oline. An undrafted free agent to compete for a roster spot is what i see happening.
Do we really want to install a b/u calibre player as a starter on our very expensive O-Line? That's what we've got in Goldberg and Greco and it ain't workin out.
I think the O-line will be fine this year.
With an improved passing game due to better receivers, it’ll open the field up for Bradford and the line won’t be so overwhelmed.
The truth is always the right answer....
by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on May 13, 2011 8:06 PM CDT up reply actions
And we still almost made the playoffs...
Think about how much the o-line learned last year; with improved WR’s they’ll fair much better w/an honest playing D. If they stack the line, we have the weapons to make them pay.
Maybe there is more than one way to skin a cat?! Sometimes you are too myopic, broaden up a bit and see the entire canvas. It’s like you’re standing 12"s in front of a Seurat painting and complaining cause all you see are dots.
I'm not nearsighted. I can see thru crap. The teams we played last year were a joke compared to this year's schedule.
tis true my elder friend the foes we face are no shrugging matter and there for we can expect porous production from the line once again.
"Victory at all costs, victory in spite of all terror, victory however long and hard the road may be; for without victory there is no PLAYOFFS."
Winston Churchill
Really I dont really care who starts at OG as long as they dont get punk'd around like what we saw last yr.
"Victory at all costs, victory in spite of all terror, victory however long and hard the road may be; for without victory there is no PLAYOFFS."
Winston Churchill
I thought he retired?
Is that great man formally known as Tevin T. Broner, also I'm on twitter T_bron
by Tevin Broner on May 13, 2011 6:55 PM CDT up reply actions
HaHa
"Victory at all costs, victory in spite of all terror, victory however long and hard the road may be; for without victory there is no PLAYOFFS."
Winston Churchill
thank you van!
This is the pff article I always refer to when I defend greco! I just don’t know how to use links haha
Per fas et nefas - Latin translation="By Any Means Necessary"
by Habte E on May 13, 2011 7:54 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Billy D did say Greco was injured
So hopefully thats true, and he gets the start.
Is that great man formally known as Tevin T. Broner, also I'm on twitter T_bron
a vaginal strain
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Ha Ha-I remember your posts last month about that.
I was thinking that the reason they wouldn’t even let him on the bus was—explosive diarrhea maybe? Man! that could really change the OL to something else! They were doing a crappy job anyway! Remember the lonesome end of old? Now we would have the lonesome no huddle OG! In fact, this comment is starting to stink!
Spags is all about interchangeable parts...
…and Greco is a true guard. He can’t play center or tackle, so when they got thin on the o-line then they had to activate Foster for versatility. They would have been screwed if Goldberg went down on a week where Smith was inactive if Greco was there.
That just goes back to what I said originally
Apparently Greco can’t play guard either.

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