2011 Draft: It's time to put on the brass ones and tell it like it is...
I see from alot of the posts tonite that more folks, and apparently a few TST authors, are starting to question the wisdom and logic of this Ram FO. Everyone knows my story on Quinn - bad risky pick.
While I knew these FO guys and Spags were no better than a monkey with a dart board, even I was shocked at them picking another TE. Does that signal that last year's two TE picks were no good? Umm-yeah. And now, needing a distinct #1 WR, we use our 3rd pick to add another very likely mediocre one to our overflowing stable of subpar receivers. Did we really need another WR of Gilyard's stature (last years 4th).
These clowns haven't made ONE SINGLE pick where we have a critical need; #1 WR, DT, OLB and OG. And, they've never made a quality pick in rounds 4-7 before even when picking 2nd and 1st overall the last two years. So, we got nobody to fill the cavernous hole in the OL left by having to play Goldberg. We still got a cadre of OLB's so bad we might as well use card-board cut-outs in their places. Sorry JL, looks like it'll still be a 4-1 defensive scheme in 2011. Or maybe a 3-1 scheme if Gibson still has to play DT. SJax, you really didn't want a credible RB to help you out did you? The plan is to get you another scrub like Toston in the 7th. Doesn't really matter though, cause the O-Line at the guard positions will very likely continue to cave back in on top of you on running plays.
So, I don't even care about rounds 4-7. I can't get excited about getting more players the calibre of Mardy Gilyard, Hall Davis or Keith Null. In sum, this draft sucked worse than I ever thought possible. My only solace is, that unless he's somehow part of this fiasco, Mr. Kroenke will likely invite the Devaney/Spags duo to do their picking for some other NFL team after this season. Final words....Sheeet!
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RamChop I just want to say I have never agreed with you on anything but sadly I agree with you on this after those two picks I have lost almost all of my faith in the FO. To me at least you could have made an argument that Quinn was a BPA pick but these two were reaches when could have still gone BPA and gotten guys at DT, OLB, RB, or OG and gotten some real value IMO.
by bobhugehands on Apr 30, 2011 8:06 AM CDT up reply actions
Yea Chops i apologize for my doubt...
I had high hopes and now the mean poop….Horrible picks lack of talent evaluation and just piss poor draft board.
"Victory at all costs, victory in spite of all terror, victory however long and hard the road may be; for without victory there is no PLAYOFFS."
Winston Churchill
by SMASH44 on Apr 30, 2011 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don't agree with you on this one
At first i was steaming but after calming down we got what we needed in a way.
We needed a TE that was reliable and could catch in traffic and that’s what we got.
We needed a WR that could catch the ball, stay on the field and fight for position and that’s what we got.
I don’t agree with you comparison with Gilyard seeing as they’re two different types of players, Gilyard more of a burner.
Get some impact players!!
That's ok. But it sounds a bit like you're stretching things into acceptance. How does another big slow receiver help us out? What are you gonna do with all thiose TE's?
Well
I think we end up cutting a WR and TE
Gibson or Robinson
Fells goes to the practice squad
As for big and slow I think you low ball him a little. And as for how he makes us better…. He attacks the ball, has the size, and can be reliable to come down and catch the ball. I think our Redzone offense improved today thanks to the two picks. Sure not the ideal picks but I think that McDaniels had something to do with it which means I’m ok with it right now.
Get some impact players!!
And I know you like proof so heres some to look at
ESPN reporter
Pettis – “He doesn’t have elite explosiveness but is a crafty route-runner who can set up his breaks and temp his routes, and he is a zone buster who knows how to find voids in coverage. He is a consistent, reliable option on third down and in the red zone.”
“The Rams got a pass-catching TE in Round 2 in Lance Kendricks and now they continue to help Sam Bradford with Pettis. Last year they had four players catch 30-plus passes but none of them are elite and they don’t have great size at receiver. Pettis will give them a tall presence in the red zone and on third down and he can be the go-to guy in key situations. Bradford will really like this pick. "
Kendricks – “is an H-back type who doesn’t offer much as a blocker and will never be dominant in that area, but he has the skill set to become a productive receiving option. He is quick enough to separate underneath and runs well after the catch, and he also has the speed to stretch the middle and tracks the deep ball well.
How he fits: QB Sam Bradford loves to have a TE as a safety blanket, but right now he has an overrated starter in Daniel Fells, and a promising but raw young guy in Michael Hoomanawanui. With Josh McDaniels running the offense, the TE position needed to be much more productive and Kendricks is that guy.”
Get some impact players!!
Actually...
I’m NOT one of those folks always demanding a reference or link as documentation. That’s my many critics approach. But like yesterday, when I posted alot of medical facts and pundit quotes as rebuttals, there were constant complaints. People don’t like it when you call their baby ugly (disagree with them). I also tend to use a lot of intuition and historical precedents as the basis for alot of my posts. Which I can do after 42 seasons of watching the NFL.
Ok
I was just supporting what I was saying and I normally do respect your opinion because you respect mine. I don’t get why people get so pissy over it but hey i guess it happens. I also did agree with you on Quinn, I didn’t know about the head injury before you said something about it and it shocked me. So was he out last year for the head injury or something else.
Get some impact players!!
Quinn was out last year because he broke a rule and accepted some small amount of $$$ or goods from an agent.
The brain tumor was diagnosed in 2007 and aspirated, but not removed. He still has it, but was still able to play High School and College ball. Let us pray that it never afflicts him again for his sake. So, there’s a question about that 4-pillars thing and he’s breaking new ground being the 1st pro-football player to ever suit up with his particular health condition.
Ok good to know
Well it isn’t good but lets face it ALOT of college players accept small amounts of cash but don’t get caught. Just glad it wasn’t because of the Tumor. I think if all things go accordingly he’ll be good and will start.
Get some impact players!!
I hoping he's another Deacon Jones and I never bought into that 4-pillars crap myself.
But, I think the more serious need was at DT, not DE. That’s another reason I would’ve preferred the 300 lb+ Luiget. I’m afraid people will blow us up in the middle while we’re relying on Gibson.
I never did either
And I was told that DE was a bigger need because we needed an opposite to Long and that’s why we picked Quinn so I’m kinda clueless right now lol
Get some impact players!!
I agree DT is a huge need BUT,
A pass rushing DE holds more VALUE and Quinn has great upside. Just because you think it’s a team need doesn’t mean the NFL coaches will or would agree with you.
You act as if there will be no FA…wonder if we target a DT that way [/sarcasm]. Even if we pick a DT up today, we’ll still sign someone else to the team.
I can understand the hole thing
because I also tend to use a lot of intuition and historical presidents as the basis for alot of my posts. Which I can do after 2 seasons of watching the NFL. And I can do that butt and rebuttlals thing also.
Fells can't go to the practice squad
If you play more than like 8 games, you are unqualified. He’s played like 30 games so there is no way he can.
"And a boring game for boring people. Did you ever watch golf on television? It's like watching flies FUCK. Think of the intellect it must take to draw pleasure from this activity: hitting a ball with a crooked stick and then WALKING AFTER IT" -George Carlin
by stlcardsfan4 on Apr 30, 2011 7:29 PM CDT up reply actions
yo chop i agree with ya man...
austin was on the board, (passed), herzlich was on the board, (passed), jaquizz was on the board, (passed), houston, lb, on the board, (passed), i mean ya, spags has this “4 pillers” thing going on, and i agree with it to an extent, but how many teams have somebody with character issues, that are freakin all-pros!
sometimes you just have to sup up your pride, and take whats right for your team. whem austin, ans paea went off the board chop, i went ballistic! the biggest area of need imo, and we didnt even look at it! all i got to say chop is, its going to be an expensive mofo in free agency! they better hit the target on every need there, or this team is toast with that brutal schedule they have. good post.
by Mark Jaramillo on May 1, 2011 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I agreed at first but now I like the picks.
The Quinn medcial thing isn’t an issue, he’s had it since high school and it hasn’t hurt him since.
The TE could have been a reach, but Spags is a great defense minded guy. If he didn’t like the DT’s then I’m good with the it. Plus he doesn’t have durability concerns, and was said to be the 2nd best TE, according to some people.
Austin Pettis I don’t know much about him, but he is a WR that Mcdaniels likes. He has been producing for years, he has size and uses it. He could develop into a good weapon.
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Ok Tevin. But what about our OG, DT and OLB situations? Think we're gonna get starters in the 4-7th? I don't.
Boling OG could start.
KJ Wright OLB could start (over our guys)….any number of guys still around can start over our guys……so your argument doesnt really hold but I get what your saying.
"Victory at all costs, victory in spite of all terror, victory however long and hard the road may be; for without victory there is no PLAYOFFS."
Winston Churchill
How did we do on getting those guys?
Just keep on dreaming.
I agree that most our main needs were neglected in the last 3 rounds
But I honestly think Pettis is what we were missing at receiver last year. Not necessarily a #1 receiver, just one who can make the 3rd downs and catch the ball when the game is on the line. He has great hands, and from the Boise State games I watched, was pretty adept at catching the ball in traffic.
The Kendricks pick shocked me, and it does mean one of the TE picks last year was unnecessary. Probably Onobun. It seems that the focus of the draft has been about giving Sam the best shot at improvement.When you think about it, we rely on this happening to have any shot at a success. Much more than anything else.
Out of everything, our safeties are worrying me the most at the moment. But I’ll hold my accusations until we’re done with the rest of the draft and especially free agency. I’m not saying I totally agree with the direction they’ve taken, just that I can see where they’re coming from, and they’re probably not as stupid as you think.
All our needs were neglected
We went for alternatives……We NEED a DT we drafted a DE (who is a serious stud and I’m not complaining) we Need serious WR help we got the 2nd best TE in a serious weak class whoop di F’ing do……we Opted out of OLB help to get WR competation in the slot…lol Horrible draft thus far seriously I liked the first day and thought of great things to come but this is by far the worse in terms of totally ignoring what the real issues are and drafting on scheme change…so thus far I say F you Mc D F you man.
"Victory at all costs, victory in spite of all terror, victory however long and hard the road may be; for without victory there is no PLAYOFFS."
Winston Churchill
by SMASH44 on Apr 30, 2011 1:45 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
No im a fan who saw Gaping holes in several areas of my team just to see those specific areas surpassed in the draft alongside top tier players
"Victory at all costs, victory in spite of all terror, victory however long and hard the road may be; for without victory there is no PLAYOFFS."
Winston Churchill
Well I'm a rational fan
who sees no reason to b*tch about something that’s over, now it’s over now MOVE ON
Get some impact players!!
It may be over for Sam and SJax too since the gaping holes in the O-Line were not addressed. I'm not ok with that.
If anything happens to Sam, who’s gonna throw to our new 5th TE or big slow WR – Feeley? And if SJax keeps getting knocked into the backfield because the line caves back in on him, who’s gonna spell him – Toston? There’s no way to call anything here rationa. I’m not risk averse, but these picks were MAJOR risks.
Yea you could say that
or you could say that they are setting up McDaniel offense. I’m interested into seeing how this works out. Yea they were risks but there has to be some reason why they picked them and I think it has to do with the playbook. They need help in the redzone and they got it.
Get some impact players!!
I don't think he has to be
All Spags has to do is remind him if he messes up here, his head coach aspirations are over. So I think he’ll act right.
Get some impact players!!
I'm really surprised where you came down on these picks '79. You don't have to be an expert to detect major screw-ups.
Or maybe you rejoice that we picked Smith 2 years ago as a $33M right tackle? Or how ‘bout the brainless Gilyard, the questionable Murphy, the never-was Hall Davis, the inexplicable Keith Null? I’ve said it before, these expert clowns hit a homer on only 3 out of 14 picks; Sam, JL, and Saffold. And that was when we were picking 2nd and 1st overall, respectively. Last years number 1 pick was between Sam and Suh. How could an absolute idiot go wrong there? Even though the TST pick was Jimmy Clausen. lol
If I recall right
You wanted Suh and McCoy or Clausen. Which we would have missed out on Saffold and Bradford. Which would have us picking in the top 5 for the 3rd year in a row.
It is milk it may be spilled it may be delicious.
I wanted Suh, that's on record. But I embraced Sam immediately. I was never a fan of Clausen. That was a TST fiasco. lol
The actual history is that I would’ve taken Mike Vick when he was available and drafted Suh #1 last year. But I would also not have hesitated to spend a bunch of lower and future picks to trade up and get Suh and McCoy. Granted I would have missed out on Saffold. But the thought of a backfield with Vick and SJax running around it would’ve scared any defense in the league. Also Long and Suh would’ve made quite a tandem wouldn’t they? Especially accompanied by Robbins and Hall. And all 4 D-Lineman playing at their natural positions. Coulda, woulda, shoulda….
What would you have given up for Vick cause you wouldn't have
gotten him for free and you weren’t on here when he came out of prison clamoring for him to be signed. Future picks? Used for a team with so many needs & holes to fill. How would you plan on filling those wholes since you traded most of our picks away; actually pretty much all of them for your deal. So let me get this straight our team has: no RT [Barron’s gone], little to no guard help, no WR, and no draft picks, but hey we have a good D line.
Sheesh let me know when you have a sane idea their Ditka. Your ideas for this team are the worst so far.
Did you forget that when Vick was re-instated that no one, and I mean no one, but Andy Reid and me wanted nothing to do with him.
But yes, I would’ve gladly give up many picks that resulted in players like
HINDSIGHT IS 20/20
so when you get off your high horse of pointing the finger at everyone, tell us who you think we need. You won’t pinpoint players we should draft simply because you do not know how to recognize talent; you read a blurb and now that’s fact to you or a reason to hate. Great, you can pick #1 overall talent, but beyond that…nothing. So Smith, so far, isn’t the LT we wanted him to be, does that mean you stop drafting that position or take it personal? Not at all.
You crack me up with all this complaining without putting something of yourself out there for all to examine. Meaning, actual draft prospects.
I think I've had about enough of you talking out your ass. My facts are all over this posts. You got nothing except a bad attitude cause you know I'm right and it's killing you. Buzz off.
You are the one talking out of your ass
you can’t site ANY players we should’ve drafted, just positions you think we need based on the little you know of how the franchise is operating. I’m not saying I know, but I am smart enough to understand there is a big picture we know nothing about. Just because they didn’t get the players you wanted you think you’re right. That’s laughable, very laughable.
What facts? I see jack sh!t, and jack just left. Some 4th-7th round busts? BFD, most teams will get those in case you aren’t aware of it. At the end of the football day it’s all about the W and we’ll see if we get more of those this year.
Haha I'm sure McD will take your concerns on board...
He managed to turn Brandon Lloyd into a pro-bowler, catching passes from Kyle Orton. Perhaps they see that potential in Pettis. He’s a lot different to the receivers we have, I think he’s the missing piece we needed to win the Seattle game last year.
So not all of our needs were neglected, you can’t say WR wasn’t addressed, it was. It’s the same as saying we need a #1 DT, then drafting a solid but not above average DT and complaining that DT wasn’t addressed. It’s simply not true.
I think turning a 3rd rounder into a pro-bowler is not automatic except in La-La land.
There is just no getting around the fact that Sam won’t have a Crabtree or Julio type threat this year. And nothing has been done to address the critical weaknesses at OG, OLB or even Safety or RB. And getting a DE, when a DT was badly needed, reminds me of the Adam Carriker experiment. At least spending a valuable high pick on yet another TE probably means that crapper Fells is gone.
Of course it's not likely, I'll admit that. But is it essential to have a true #1 to be successful?
I’d say having a couple of above average options instead (which is what they think they drafted) might be better suited for McDaniels offense. So was the need for an OG, OLB or backup RB as big as the need for competent guys to catch the ball? It depends who you ask.
That said, the safety situation isn’t acceptable at the moment, and I’m really hoping that we pick up at least a passable DT and OLB or two in free agency. Otherwise my trust is on it’s way out.
Free agency is the only way the Rams get a #1 wr
If they want Rice it’s gonna cost a #1 pick next year,is there a OG,DT in FA worth getting?Rams need OLB,ILB,S also.Shit it looks like a 6 and 9 season next year.
why do the rams need an ILB
i hear the we have is pretty good.
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by nodisrespect on Apr 30, 2011 7:50 AM CDT up reply actions
Hopefully it was a typo
as we need 2 OLB’s but if not I wonder what he has against JL
from the olden days
whats the difference between inside and middle. and i dont think it was a typo because he also mentioned OLB. so i really dont understand. depth?
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by nodisrespect on Apr 30, 2011 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm still stuck in the 60s
too much wacky tabacky
We'll find out when it opens...
I’d say Cofield of the Giants is gonna be available. He can easily fit in our rotation and be very impactful. There are also quite a few OG’s that can be had.
I guess a Super Bowl Win means little to you...
Plus that is what our Dline is based on; rotation and pressure to the QB. Maybe you should learn more before you come on here throwing a childs tantrum.
Cofield has been tendered at a fairly high level by the Giants.
You willing to give up a first rounder next year for him?
Show me an above average DT thats still available
"Victory at all costs, victory in spite of all terror, victory however long and hard the road may be; for without victory there is no PLAYOFFS."
Winston Churchill
im not sticking up for chop here but look...
like i stated about what 150 times now in the last 2 days? robbins is 34!, gibson is undersized! clifton ryan is gone!, dorrell scott is a bust!, get what im saying? theres no DEPTH at all at the dt position! so when the rams passed on all those dt’s in the draft, the fans that saw the need at dt, went nuts.
what chops trying to say is, when robbins gos out for a breather, whos there to replace him? that middle of the d-lines going to get blown up. austin would have filled a need right away. who do we got really? robbins, scott, gibson? who else?……im waiting? the rams blew it when they passed on one of the crititcal needs. the only dt that i see in free agency is coefield, and ill guarantee the giants arent going to let him go without a ransom! as in future draft picks. the rams have more de’s, that dt’s, late in gms that middles going to look like a 4 lane highway! the rams better address that right away.
by Mark Jaramillo on May 1, 2011 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Well we knew we couldn't address all the needs.
These weren’t the best needs, but the Rams do need talent. I’m sure we can all agree on that. Do we have bigger needs at DT OLB and OG of course.
However, FA or a trade would help the DT situation (Coefield.) Spags never draft high on OLB’s, but I think we will get one round 4.
At guard Billy D said Greco will see more, so hopefully he starts over Goldberg. If not, oh well we can do that next year.
Is that great man formally known as Tevin T. Broner, also I'm on twitter T_bron
I shall accept thee, quite kindly
Is that great man formally known as Tevin T. Broner, also I'm on twitter T_bron
by Tevin Broner on Apr 30, 2011 2:57 AM CDT up reply actions
In reality I'm sure we all will...some day we all will
"Victory at all costs, victory in spite of all terror, victory however long and hard the road may be; for without victory there is no PLAYOFFS."
Winston Churchill
well considering we've been consistantly burnt at the OLB position
maybe Spags can stop being a stubborn coach and draft one b/c i recall time after time on 3rd and long seeing a pass to a TE or WR being “covered” by our OLB and picking up the first or a TD.
by richter122 on Apr 30, 2011 6:51 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I feel a little queasy everytime I hear about Greco. He obviously couldn't beat out Goldberg last year.
And I think Goldberg’s poor play adversely affected Brown too. Defenses pushed those two guys into our backfield, caved in our line, and careened through the holes to stop the run (especially on critical short yardage run plays) and/or disrupt the play whether pass, reverse, etc.
Lots of run blitzes and safeties in the box last year Chopper.
I think that if we can bring our passing game from the bottom of the league to even mid level you will see our o-line “magically” get better. I don’t see a huge need for o-line help and neither does NFL.com. They don’t even list it as a top need. Like I said before, our line hasn’t changed since the 09’ season when Jackson ran for 1,400 yards. Sure Incognito is gone but Greco and Goldberg played more in 09 than he did.
Ignorance is bliss and way too many people are happy.
Sorry, I digress. You build the O-Line to maximum strength and THEN the run and pass game improve. Not vice-versa.
Opposing defenses know exactly where to hit us on the O-Line and it hasn’t changed. Remember how Pete Carroll and the Seahaigs exploited it a few months back? I sure do.
If teams can keep 8 in the box, your o-line is going to look bad. Too many people to block.
The Seafucks had no respect for our passing game at all, so they concentrated on two things, filling the gaps so Jackson couldn’t run and covering Amendola. 8 in the box and backers shooting the A gaps because Jackson doesn’t run outside, not because they suck. When they have 4 guys hitting two gaps it can’t be blocked, but it can be stopped by getting the ball to receivers on quick slants, fades and also with screens. That didn’t happen in the Seahawks game last year because their corners could easily handle our receivers one on one and Jackson had to block the free rushers. If Gibson and Lauren could have gotten open and hung on to the ball, huge gains were there for the taking. Two or three big gains and you see the defense slide back into coverage and blocking assignments become more manageable. I know you are familiar with the term stretching out a defense. Don’t take this as disrespect but I have watched the Seahawks game multiple times and our o-line couldn’t have held up to that kind of pressure with all pros at every position. Simply too many bodies to block.
Ignorance is bliss and way too many people are happy.
You don't have to convince me that Robinson, Gibson, and Fells are worthless.
I’m also not convinced that DX is dependable healthwise or can actually catch. Nor am I putting much faith in a 100% return to form by severely injured players like Clayton or Avery. Gilyard has got brainless bust written all over him. So who, besides the much covered Amendola and our new big slow WR Pettis is Sam going to throw too?? And who’s going to run outside or create holes for SJax to run through?? The Karney/Bajema experiment was a complete failure. With 8 men in the box, receivers should be open everywhere. But dink and dunk for 2-3 yards a pop gets you nothing but alot of 3 and outs.
look at it from the bright side
either it turns out great and we have a hell of a season, either it doesn’t turn out at all and we get to pick early next year and Justin Blackmon will be there up for grabs…
Go RAMS!!
The bright side is that if we eand up picking early in 2012, it very likely won't be Devaney/Spags making those critical picks for the Rams.
Right now they’re 8-24. Mr. Kroenke won’t sign them up for a 4th year if we’re, say 14-34? Also, SJax will be just about done. Having wasted a marvelous talent on a shitty team with poor coaching; Martz, Linehan, and Spags.
A thought I think bears repeating.
Reading a few posts on the NFL draft page and come across a golden nugget. It makes sense to me.
noc10 says:
Baker….on the WR pick…We all assume that we need a #1 reciever. but at this point I don’t think that the Rams will be using that standard model…I thin k we willnot be lining up with 2 WR and a RB very often….From what I’ve seen of McD, and judging from the picks, McD is going to go for something like a spread offence…I think he will be putting out 5 reciever sets with a RB….for that, you don’t need a deep threat, just people who are good at catching the ball, because the D will be so spread out and disorganized that any catch could well go for major YAC……We’;ve been thinking inside the box and McD doesn’t.
It is milk it may be spilled it may be delicious.
Yeah, nobody ever needs a Montana-Rice, Aikmen-Irvin, Bradshaw-Swann, etc. combo. Only multi-SB winners do that type in-the-box thing.
Marino to Duper and Clayton- Manning to Harrison and Wayne- Everett to Ellard and Flipper..haha!
Ignorance is bliss and way too many people are happy.
Riddle me this.
Who was the Patriots best WR in 2001, 2004 and 2005. Cause that is the type of offense we are getting into with McD.
It is milk it may be spilled it may be delicious.
OG is still a huge need
I had OG, and DT as our biggest need. Arkansas OG, and Marcus Cannon could be good picks. I hope we do draft a OLB.
Is that great man formally known as Tevin T. Broner, also I'm on twitter T_bron
I said #1 WR, DT, OLB and OG. We're largely on the same page Tevin. But the FO was on a completely different page and what they decide counts.
I agree with you Chop
But it’s hard to get a number 1, it seems like we will go with just a lot of WR’s. Plus his new TE sets will help.
Everything else we just hope we draft or get in free agency.
Is that great man formally known as Tevin T. Broner, also I'm on twitter T_bron
by Tevin Broner on Apr 30, 2011 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Your Wrong:
Plain and SImple, Robert Quinn is the best down pass rusher available in this draft. His value is off the charts. Good teams are made through BPA. Reaching at #14 would have been counter productive to say the least.
As for the picks in rounds 2 and 3, Kendricks and Pettis are not sexy picks by any means, but we have ZERO idea as to what direction McDaniels is taking our offense, other than the fact that it will revolve heavily around Bradford’s ability as a passer. Kendricks and Pettis are two solid, dependable, consistent weapons for Bradford to turn to. At the very least, the Rams just got Much better in the Redzone.
Last year, people questioned taking Bradford over Suh. Everyone cried about Saffold after he was picked. The year before, everyone b!tched about Bradley Fletcher. Last year, we won more games than the previous 3 years combined. Maybe Devaney and Spags know what they are doing. Just a thought….GET OVER IT!!!
After two drafts, 2nd and 1st overall, respectively, I'm not lauding great praise on Spags and Devaney.
We won 7 games last season against the 2nd weakest schedule in the NFL. We never came close to beating a good team – we were blown out by Atl, NO, KC and even Detroit (home of Suh). Finally, we were embarassed on national TV in week 17 as Pete Carroll outcoached Spags worse than Belicheat did Martz in SB XXXVI. Add in the 2009 record and Devaney/Spags is a combined 8-24. And at least 3-4 winnable games in the past two seasons were lost due to silly-ass coaching mistakes.
Considering the prime positions we drafted from in 2009 and 2010, and even IF one counts Bradley Fletcher as a great pick (which I don’t) we got 3-4 good players out of 14 choice picks. That would be Sam, JL and Saffold. Jason Smith turned out to be an average $33M RT with concussion issues. Murphy, Onobun, HoHo have shown little to nothing. Gilyard has no brain. Davis and Null were outright laughable. Name any other successes that I may’ve missed.
Now we go into the 2011 season facing possibly the toughest schedule in the NFL with gaping holes at OG, DT, OLB, Safety and no #1 WR or credible b/u RB. And yet you praise the FO and coaches for what they’ve done and are doing. I call that sucking up. Get it???
Were you hoping to find 14 starters in two Drafts?
NO TEAMS…not even the Patriots, Colts, Eagles, Saints or Packers….find more than 2-3 starters in a draft. Get Realistic Dude!
Ok. You're saying we shoulda found 4-6 starters. I'm saying more when drafting at the top. When was the last time the Pats picked #1 overall?
Yes I Am!
The Rams Have picked at the top of the past few drafts. They have found a Franchise QB (Sam), Bookend Offensive Tackles (Saffold), a Starting CB (Fletcher), A Stud MLB (Laurenaitis), a starting TE (Hoomanawanui), and a variety of Rotational Players (Selvie, Murphy, Ah You, etc). That, by ALL standards is a solid start to building a franchise.
You seriously need to learn how a draft works and stop wasting your breath. The top Two rounds have starting caliber talent that is capable of making and immediate impact. 3rd and 4th rounds are for finding players with chance to make and impact immediately, but with have a few more question marks than the prospects in the higher rounds. The later rounds are for finding players with potential who can be DEVELOPED into starters over time. It is EXTREMELY rare for a team to find starting quality talent, capable of an immediate impact in the 4th through 7th rounds.
Learn how top teams draft. Look up Bill Pollian, Bill Bellichek, AJ Smith, Bill Parcells, and Ozzie Newsome. Figure out how good teams are built before you go sh!tting on Devaney and Spags for doing a pretty damn good job of turning this franchise around.
I am sorry that the Rams have not been able to find 21 new starters the past three years. Maybe you should apply for a job with the front office and help them draft based on 40 times and bench press reps!
I did.
Was it supposed to be some breakthrough revelation or something? Your sense of self-entitlement is becoming nauseating.
by turpinforpresident on Apr 30, 2011 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes
First of all, an opinion cannot be a fact because opinions vary from person to person. I learned that in second grade, i think. I also learned patience, reason, and basic logic. In kindergarten, they taught me not to throw temper tantrums when i didn’t get my way.
You should’ve been there, honestly.
by turpinforpresident on Apr 30, 2011 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
So, as expected, when confronted with facts you, have no rebuttal other than a smokescreen. Fine with me.
Well, i pretty much just explained
How everything you said wasn’t really fact. I could explain how dim your explanation was, but Jigzsaw just did that. You seem to have a pretty loose concept of “facts”, I’ve noticed….
by turpinforpresident on Apr 30, 2011 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions
You are possibly the most dillusional man on the internet.
It’s frankly amusing, in a really sad sort of way.
by turpinforpresident on Apr 30, 2011 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions
ironic you say that
when all you ever throw when nicely trounced in an argument or debate is a personal jibe.
Bradford to Onobun!
yeah because one's ethnicity is something that can be deemed an easy target
so are you a racist or someone who just cannot make a salient point to save his life?
Bradford to Onobun!
Really racism? You are going to play that card?
Ignorance is bliss and way too many people are happy.
???? I have no idea whether you are white, black, red or green. But I'm pretty sure you're stupid.
And for a racist, I’ve sure been a pretty big Mike Vick fan when everyone else wanted to tar and feather the guy.
Well let's look at the last two drafts 2009 and 2010...
First of all, we didn’t draft Ah You, who is worthless anyway. Again, bookend RT Jason Smith is only an average player with a soft-head. He makes super-star money though if that counts. The 3-4 good players are Sam, JL, and Saffold. Fletcher is a stretch. He starts cause there’s nobody better at the position on the team, which don’t say much. Neither Murphy, nor HoHo showed anything in their rookie years. Selvie is no better than a rotational or b/u player. Gilyard is brainless. Then the list deteriorates from there; Foster, Null, Obog, Johnson, Scott, Sims, and Davis. Thankfully, Obog, Null and Davis are long gone with Gilyard and other soon to follow. So, when you look at what we got from picking 2nd and 1st overall in the draft for two consecutive years, it don’t amount to much talent. I call that piss-poor drafting. Care to defend these guys some more?? 2011 just brought more of the same illogical picks. The truth hurts when it’s explained to you don’t it?
Do you even watch the Rams?
Jason Smith – Yes He gets Superstar money to play RT but that is more of a tribute to 2nd round pick Rodger Saffold, than it is a knock on Smith who, when healthy, is the best run blocker on our team.
Hoomanawanui didn’t show you anything? Although he was held back by a shifty ankle, In three starts he had 146 yards and 3 TD’s. 21 points means something to me…
Bradley Fletcher – For Such an Average player, he had 76 tackles and 4 interceptions in 2010. I will take that production from a 3rd round pick any day of the week.
Selvie and Scott are solid rotational system players in Spagnuolo’s defensive scheme. I would try to explain Spagnuolo’s defensive scheme to you but you probably would find a way to argue with his Superbowl ring…
Null, Hull, Sims, Johnson, and Ogobagnaya were all 6-7th round Picks. For you to expect them to find starters is far-fetched to say the least….
Any draft analysis will tell you that the Rams have recorded top 10 draft years in 2009 and 2010. No Question! Seriously learn what your talking about! You sound like its your first draft ever!
by Jigzsaw on Apr 30, 2011 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
But their rosters are already full of talent.
That makes it much harder for a rookie to gain a starting spot. Our team has very little talent and most draft picks have an immediate shot at starting. So with that rationale we should have gained quite a few starters out of those drafts and we have not. Every spot but six or seven can and should be upgraded. Realistically I don’t think he should have found 14 but, 7 or 8 would not have been too much to ask.
Ignorance is bliss and way too many people are happy.
Late to the party but....
here is my take through 4 rds (again – I am late to the party so apologies if these are retread thoughts):
I love the 1st pick in Quinn – love it. When Kendrick was picked, my first thought was WTF! I even said it was a crappy pick when they made it on the thread, but – honestly – that was my 1st thought when Saffold was picked last year too. And similar to Saffold, when I took a step back from my initial reaction, I understand it and it makes sense to me. I would have gone in a different direction myself (like last years 2nd pick too – so I’m glad I’m not the GM) for more of a need position (Paea or Austin) but I get it and I am ok with it.
Where they lose me is the Pettis pick. This one bugs me because Drake Nevis was still sitting there and I thought he would be a great DT get . With Nevis – I think the Kendrick picks looks even that much better because they get a solid DT and a great pass catching TE to begin a similar type NE offense. Then they get Salas on top of that – a similar type player. i actually don’t mind Salas – I just think it repetitive to what they already drafted and have.
The Pettis pick just doesnt make any sense to me and I don’t like it. Its like they are drafting under the assumption that they will be able to make a FA splash at OG/OLD/DT – which may be a folly strategy considering the CBA landscape.
That 3rd pick is just eating at me now……
(Posted on another thread – but meant to put it here)
I should be working right now...
I'm ok w/ rd 4
because I like Salas. I have no good/negative feeling towards rd 5 because S is a need position so I hope he pans out. I would have like to see the 7th rd fliers on another OLB, OG, or DT vs the CBs they took…..but its the 7th rd so most are cross your finger picks anyway.
The one that I don’t like is rd 3. I really do hope Pettis proves me wrong but I just dont like the pick there vs the alternatives that were available at DT (Nevis), LB (Foster) or another position of need like OG.
I should be working right now...
Yeah. Trying to get LB in the 7th round is where one ends up with the likes of David Vobora. Guys just good enough to get us beat.
We blew the chance to fill our gaping holes at OLB and OG earlier in the draft. Now we’ve got more potential backups for a team with 30+ backups, 7th rounders or undrafted players.
Rd 3 is where the OLB/DT/OG
should have been addressed vs Pettis IMO. I really would have loved our draft had they come away with a different position in Rd 3. You can still find a 1st year starter with a quality 3rd rdr. Really wish we went a different direction….bu now I’m wishing even more that Pettis proves my thoughts wrong.
Like I said – 7th rdrs are cross your finger picks anyway so although I would have taken different positional fliers….its still the 7th rd.
I should be working right now...
Need FA unveiled so that those positions can be addressed
I should be working right now...
Walterfootball's grades for our first four picks:
A,B, B, A
Obviously this isn’t a perfect gauge for draft success (we won’t know that for a few years down the road), but the point is, Walter Cherepinsky is a pretty sharp draft expert, and if his opinion is so far off from yours, perhaps that says something about you. You certainly have the right to “put on the brass knuckles” and “tell it like it is” and be the big tough guy cynic around here, but really, I really think you’d rip the front office no matter what they did.
I know you’re a veteran on this blog, and i’m just a nobody, but come on. Put the brass knuckles away. To tell it like it is, what you say actually has to be how it really is.
by turpinforpresident on Apr 30, 2011 1:21 PM CDT reply actions
Funny thing is that I never really let the talking heads like King, Clayton, Banks, etc. influence me very much.
I just listen to what they say and form my own opinions based on facts and intuition. Most of the time it works for me. I’m still not a fan of the highly overpaid soft-headed average RT Jason Smith. Knew Keith Null was a waste. I was an outspoken critic last year about picks like Murphy, Gilyard, Davis, HoHo, Onobun, etc. And this year I’m not happy with any of them. While I’m not risk averse, I’m on record as saying that Quinn doesn’t meet the 4-pillars criteria that everyone else is supposedly held to and he’s a definite health risk. We blew it picking TWO TE’’s last year. So we get another one this year while we have no OG’s or OLB’s. So the pundits give us good grades. Whoop! They’re wrong about as much as they’re right.
The whole point is
I think everything you’ve said on this post is wayyy too much of an overreaction. Any reasonable person can notice that. I think this draft, while not exactly the direction I expected the FO to go in, is going to have its own separate set of benefits. The G and DT position do still need to be upgraded, as does the OLB position at some point, but just because they haven’t yet in April isn’t the end of the world. TRam, Jigzaw, RG31 and guys like that are trying to be reasonable and, more importantly, act like adults. Whether or not this draft is awesome or sucks (i repeat, we won’t know for a few years), you could really take a hint from them.
by turpinforpresident on Apr 30, 2011 2:24 PM CDT reply actions
I am not a follower of other people's rationalizations or flawed logic. I think for myself. No concessions. No apologies.
I figured you wouldn't.
After all you’re always right and everybody who is not seemingly the harbinger of football apocalypse is wrong. That’s how it seems to work in RamChop’s world. You’re the one making the fool of yourself, as you continually do.
And that, sir, is telling it how it is.
by turpinforpresident on Apr 30, 2011 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions
I think Chop is right on,
and I don’t say that very often. We went into the draft with six specific needs – DT, OLB, DB, #1 WR, OG and back-up RB. After five rounds we have only filled one of those needs, and it is one partially caused by not keeping Atogwe. None of the other five long standing needs have been addressed. That’s ridiculous.
A few weeks ago there was a discussion about how much input McDaniel would have in the draft. It looks to me like after the first round he took over and made the next three picks. There was even something published that he convinced Devaney and Spags to take the TE instead of a DT or OLB. Bad decision!
If I were the owner I would be telling Deveney and Spags they better win at least 8 games this year or I would find someone else to take their place next year. In two years they have drafted five guys that are starting for the Rams. This year they may not have any that start (Quinn will be a pass rushing specialist this year, not a starter). This has been a very sad week for the Rams.
by andyhawk on Apr 30, 2011 2:38 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Just as a follow-up,
McDaniel ruined Denver the last two years, and now it looks like he is on the way to ruining the Rams.
doubt it
considering if he fails here is head coach aspirations would be destroy, calm down with your end of the world scare tactics.
Get some impact players!!
I've noticed the same thing
People have the right to disagree or agree as they please, of course, but this site seems to be filled with angels of death lol
by turpinforpresident on Apr 30, 2011 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions
yea pretty much
just because their dream and hopes don’t come true… smh
Sad thing is I’m probably one of the youngest on this site but I act more mature than most.
Get some impact players!!
With all due respect RG, you have turned into a rabid FO apologist. There was never any hope for Twurpin.
Lol
Na I just like to give players time to compete on the field before I judge them because that’s where it matters. Sure I still have my opinions of the FO and some of the missed chances but time will tell, right?
Get some impact players!!
How much time ya willing to give Goldberg at OG, Gibson at DT, Vobora or Diggs at OLB, Toston at b/u RB?
Dude
I’m talking about THIS draft, it’s official they suck point blank and they FO screwed us, but give this draft class a chance before you judge.
Get some impact players!!
In order for this draft to be successful
they needed to fill at least some of those holes. They filled none of them. I don’t care if the TE and WRs are slight upgrades over what we had last year – they still left all the gaping holes. That’s why I think this draft was a failure.
You can say I’m overreacting, but I’ve been watching the NFL draft for 40 years and have a pretty good idea of successful drafts versus those that don’t work out. A team simply can’t ignore gaping holes in their team year after year and expect to be a winning team. Why is that so hard to grasp? I’m not saying the guys we drafted (at least some of them) are terrible players. I’m saying they didn’t fill any of our gaping holes, and modest improvement in our receiving corps doesn’t come close to solving the major problems the team has.
Please move your focus for a minute from whether the guys we drafted have some talent and can do some good things for us, and look for a minute at all the major needs that received no help at all. How many years are we going to go with huge holes at OG, OLB, DT and back-up RB? You can’t count o free agency to solve hte problems this year because the owners are going to keep their six year rule for unrestricted free agency and most of the names we have tossed around to help us are restricted free agents with big tenders on them.
That’s the issue for me. Does that sound like I’m being irrational and predicting the end of the world? What I’m really saying is that the Rams are going to continue to be a seriously flawed team that have no chance of reaching the upper levels of the league until they address those flaws. And they didn’t address any of them this year – again.
by andyhawk on Apr 30, 2011 9:44 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Then there's no reason for me to argue
Your not open minded so there for I’m wasting my time, good day.
Get some impact players!!
Ok fine I'll give it a try and answer some of those
I think in a away we did partially solve most of our offensive problems and this is why. You could say we have line problems but most of those problems stem from the defense knowing exactly what we’re going to do. With the offense that’s about to be implemented it won’t be as easy to read us and it will make the offense all around better. As for RB I think SJax had something to do with that to be honest seeing as he didn’t want them to pick a RB if I’m correct (if not tell me)
I do think that FA will solve some of those gaping holes. Not all of them and the ones that they don’t fill will be filled next draft in my opinion. I had a feeling this was going to be a offense agressive draft in early times and i was proving right.
As for us having a flawed team I think your being a little harsh but I get what you are saying. I don’t think this team will be fixed in a couple of drafts but we’re making progress. I think fixing our offense will also help our Defense because they won’t be on the field for most than half of the game and we will score more points. We had to attempt to fix it because we will go against some pretty good defenses and offenses and our D needs to stay fresh.
Am I making sense?
Get some impact players!!
....
How are you not getting what he is saying at all?
"And a boring game for boring people. Did you ever watch golf on television? It's like watching flies FUCK. Think of the intellect it must take to draw pleasure from this activity: hitting a ball with a crooked stick and then WALKING AFTER IT" -George Carlin
by stlcardsfan4 on May 1, 2011 12:55 AM CDT up reply actions
Well I replied to you...
"And a boring game for boring people. Did you ever watch golf on television? It's like watching flies FUCK. Think of the intellect it must take to draw pleasure from this activity: hitting a ball with a crooked stick and then WALKING AFTER IT" -George Carlin
You say the offense will help the defense
because they won’t be on the field the majority of the time. I think if you will look, you will see our time of possession last year was over 30 minutes per game. How much more do you expect the offense to keep the ball?
They you say the team won’t be fixed in a couple of drafts. This is the third draft for Devaney and Spags and we still have several major holes. How many more drafts is it going to take? At the rate they are ignoring our roster problems, it looks like another three before we get them plugged. By that time SJ will be on the way out, Robbins and Hall will be gone, and we’ll then have those major holes to fill.
Yes, scoring more points is necessary and maybe some of these new receivers will help with that (at least I hope so). But you can’t keep ignoring major weaknesses in order to make incremental improvements in areas that are already staffed. I will be very surprised if the Rams are able to add much of value this year in free agency because the owners plan to use the same rules as last year, which means all the desirable players have tenders on them that would cost us all our top draft picks next year. That’s why they needed to fill the major holes through thedraft this year.
I just don’t know what more I can say. If you don’t get it, at least I tried.
by andyhawk on May 1, 2011 10:33 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Dude
Honestly I want us to actually score touchdowns not some freaking FGs because our offense just couldn’t do it.
“Scoring points is necessary” no sh*t! That’s the bottom line, score touchdowns! And if this draft class can help then I’m all for it what I don’t get is you trashing it before they get on the field. Now that’s a bunch of BS to me.
Get some impact players!!
There's discontent because "this offense" will apparently be on the field with no decent OG's, no #1 WR and no one to spell SJax.
A preponderance of the evidence would say these gaping holes present problems. Ya gonna play 4 TE’s or 5 2nd rate WR’s? Who’s gonna run when SJax needs a breather – Toston?
Ok lets get this straight
Our Oline wasn’t that bad, look up the stats if you want to. The offense sucked because the defense knew what we were going to do, look at any game after we lost Clayton and you will see this. I think that Pettis can develop into a 1 but you will disagree and that’s coo.
As for RB I think SJax had something to do with that so hey…
Get some impact players!!
Ok let's get this straight.
I watched 15 of 16 games last year and the O-Line left SJax stymied on many critical plays. Sam did alot of acrambling and rollouts too. And the opponents were largely BAD teams. Bell is not good and Goldberg is terrible. They both hurt Brown’s play at center too. The O-Line is the fundamental required strength of a team. We ain’t there with a solid good one yet. Yes, Pettis could be another Wes Welker, but the odds are bigtime against it.
Ok
Did you even look up the stats or are you just going off of emotion. Our line was much improved and a year of experience won’t hurt. It’s good that Sam got the roll out because no line in the league is perfect. I think your mixing Salas up with Pettis. If you say Salas is the shorter one.
I think that they are building the pieces around Sam which you should do. Through history it has shown if you don’t then your QB will fail, it’s a fact.
Get some impact players!!
I am one of those people who are skeptical of "stats"
The Rams offense ranked 27th overall last year, but averaged over 31 minutes in time of possession per game. And according to offensive stats, the Rams stomped the crap out of the Pats in SB XXXVI. But we all know how that one turned out. All that really matters is the final score. We’re 13-51 over the last 4 years. Howz that stat?
Ok hows this
7-9
That’s is our record from last year, we won more games than in the previous 3 year COMBINED, sure you going to say that we faced weak opponents but that is good either way you look at it. But knowing you you’re going to say something absurd, this argument is useless, we disagree. This team is improving so good day.
Get some impact players!!
Yeah, 7-9 meh...
It was a big improvement over 1-15. I give Sam, JL, Saffold, SJax, Clayton, Amendola and a few others credit. But I also hate that alot of our “improvement” came from the decline of our division rivals. And, as you stated the obvious, from playing the 2nd weakest schedule in the NFL. Furthermore, I think idiotic coaching decisions cost us a couple games and the NFC West title. Now we start 2011 without Atogwe and with SJax one year older. And, I’m not even going to repeat the obvious gaping holes on offense and defense. Finally, add in the murderous schedule and we end up 5-11 or 6-10. I just can’t be too happy with that prospect.
Dude... great post
Agree with everything. It’s not that the players suck, it’s that the holes are still there.
So arguing players are good is missing the crux of the argument
"And a boring game for boring people. Did you ever watch golf on television? It's like watching flies FUCK. Think of the intellect it must take to draw pleasure from this activity: hitting a ball with a crooked stick and then WALKING AFTER IT" -George Carlin
There's plenty of hope for me
Because i might not spend my future spouting insignificant hellfire-and-brimstone conspiracies on football blogs.
by turpinforpresident on Apr 30, 2011 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Haha yeah, same here
Im just a youngster, but alot of the “veterans” on here are really laughable the way they get all worked up
by turpinforpresident on Apr 30, 2011 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Yelp pretty much
You know some of these “veterans” were pissed that we pick Sam and Saffold last year, but look what happened, now they’re kissin their @ss, smh.
Get some impact players!!
Some of us "veterans" worked our way thru school, earned degrees, worked successfully for years, now have families and some $$$. My you be so lucky.
Dude
I was talking about overreacting to a draft class that hasn’t even gotten out on the field and show what they got yet. I said nothing about your personal lives.
Get some impact players!!
Devaney and Spagnuolo
HELP WANTED: GM and Head Coach.
by ValdezY on Apr 30, 2011 7:00 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Hello chop, nice to see you again.
Umm… yeah I hated the Rams draft and I’m with you (Yikes!). We addressed two minor needs and ignored the five biggest so I find it hard to like the draft at all.
"And a boring game for boring people. Did you ever watch golf on television? It's like watching flies FUCK. Think of the intellect it must take to draw pleasure from this activity: hitting a ball with a crooked stick and then WALKING AFTER IT" -George Carlin
by stlcardsfan4 on Apr 30, 2011 7:46 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Let's just wait till FA starts
Then we can say how bad are needs are.
Is that great man formally known as Tevin T. Broner, also I'm on twitter T_bron
Well if they do something in free agency, then I'll remove my doubts.
But I don’t think they will since they didn’t last year and it will be harder to get good players because of lockout.
"And a boring game for boring people. Did you ever watch golf on television? It's like watching flies FUCK. Think of the intellect it must take to draw pleasure from this activity: hitting a ball with a crooked stick and then WALKING AFTER IT" -George Carlin
by stlcardsfan4 on Apr 30, 2011 8:13 PM CDT up reply actions
I doubt we go WR
But we can still get an undrafted guy like Locke has the Mark who had cancer been drafted?
Spags scheme made our defense good last season, so I’m not going to judge the defense. The defense wasn’t the best but we didn’t allow a lot of redzone TD’s.
I say the number 1 thing that we need is a good DT. If we get that in the draft, and our offense plays better, then I am good.
Is that great man formally known as Tevin T. Broner, also I'm on twitter T_bron
We didn't get a DT in the draft.
We didn’t get a decent OLB in the draft. We didn’t get an OG in the draft. We didn’t get a back-up RB in the draft. Signing undrafted guys will be very tough since the lockout keeps us from it. And most of the good FA we have talked about are tendered by their teams, so we likely won’t get most of them either. All the experts said this was an unusual draft because teams were going to need to use it to fill their major needs, since FA wasn’t going to be there. Some teams did exactly that, but the Rams passed on all their major needs and chose instead to make some upgrades to positions where we at least had serviceable players.
Everyone always says Spags is a defense guy, he can get by with 7th round players. BULLSHIT!!!! Im fed up with excuses like that, how about just get good players. Be dominant on defense instead of “getting by” with the shit we draft. Some guy posted on here somewhere we got an elite TE, theres nothing elite about the guy. Marvin austin was there, we fucked up not taking him. I like spags as a D-coordinator, its time Billy D got his walking papers. all he does is raid practise squads and get more handicapped players when players like santonio holmes, cromartie etc, are going to other teams. piss on the 4 pillars of mediocre players
by YSTER on Apr 30, 2011 9:17 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Amazing to me how many people think all a team needs is a QB and some WR's.
You don’t need an O-line because the receivers will stretch the field and you don’t need a D because the O will outscore every other team. What a bunch of bullshit. Must be these youngsters that have only seen a couple of games.
Chop and Hawk are right on. What happened to the build from the inside out? And Spags talk of building a running game when he first got here? Spags seems to change his philosophy with the weather. And McD just set us back 2-3 years. Bellicheat kept him in check but look what he’s done at Denver and now here. Sad, sad day for Ram fans. We’ll be damn lucky to win 5 games this year. Some think our D was good last year after an easy schedule, things will be different this season. Just hope Kroneke is watching and shit cans these clowns before it gets any worse.
by NewMerlin on May 1, 2011 5:30 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
exactly what im saying, everybodies happy sam got some weapons. but theyre no good when hes on his back or scrambling around cause theres no blocking up front. these picks would be better for me if we got a guard in the 2nd and each of them a round later.
by YSTER on May 1, 2011 11:39 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think I hated these picks at first,
but then I watched film on the WR’s and changed my mind. You have to remember that McDaniels is changing the offense and has a plan of his own. I think its going to be okay, hell the lockout might not be over anyway.
I'm afraid you will hate them again this fall too.
I look upon McD with very guarded optimism. Maybe he won’t be a proponent of the dink and dunk – three and out offense. But things ain’t all rosey for him since he’ll have to be relying on Goldberg and Bell as OG’s to make his offensive schemes work.
I hope so too
but the rams getting free agents goes about as well as the drafts do….maybe we’ll get some undrafed rookies since over 30 players on the team are either 7th rounders or undrafted.
by NICKSC on May 2, 2011 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Here's "How It Is"
No one can judge a draft pick until they play in the system. You’ve been around long enough to know that.
If and when they fail, then holler.
If and when they turn out to be valuable picks, then holler.
Until then, its all speculation, which you’re perfectly entitled to do (and its fun), but I really don’t know why you would close your mind to the possibility these guys can be valuable contributors in the Rams system, and believe with such prejudice that there is failure afoot.
Blind belief — you rail against it. Remember? So why engage in it?

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