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A Logical Rationalization for Trading Up in the Draft

 

Let me start off by saying that I have been adamantly opposed to trading up in this draft all along.  I’ve rationalized this entire time that we have way too many needs to sacrifice a third round pick to move up a few spots in the first round.  I’m not sure if I’m just like a kid getting close to Christmas that is causing me to lose all sense of logical thinking, but I’ve definitely warmed up to the idea of trading up in the draft this year.  Allow me to explain…

First of all, I’m not talking about trading up for Julio Jones.  I’m thinking “go big or go home”.  I’m talking about trading up for AJ Green.  Don’t get me wrong, if Julio happened to fall to the Rams, I’d jump on it.  But just so we’re all on the same page:  AJ Green will not “happen to fall” to us.  I must admit that I have quite a few reservations about Jones.  He had all the measurables at the combine but I worry about his ability to get separation at the next level and his occasional case of the droppsies that he struggles with.  He’s not as high of an NFL prospect as Michael Crabtree was and while Crabtree has been serviceable, he hasn’t necessarily been a game-changer (yes, I do realize that a lot of that has to do with the fact that he has Alex Smith throwing the ball to him).  Jones could end up being something special.  But then again, he could also end up being a decent #2 option.  And I think that most of us here agree that the last thing we need is another #2 wide receiver.

 AJ Green has been born and bred to be an NFL superstar wide receiver for years in the mold of Calvin Johnson, Andre Johnson and Larry Fitzgerald.  He has that uncanny ability to catch everything around him even when double-teamed.  He can single-handedly take a game over.  And while Jones will probably be serviceable, Green should be spectacular – that true #1 wideout that we’ve been looking for since letting Tory Holt walk.

 Now before you say that we have too many needs to get rid of potential-starter draft picks, lets remember that we’re not gonna fix this entire ship in one draft.  I think the line of thinking here has been rightfully that our needs are at DT, DE, OLB, FS, RB, OG and #1 WR (notice I didn’t say any WR but a true #1).  That’s 7 positions that we need and we would be incredibly naïve to think that just because we drafted an OG in the 7th round that we’ve solved the interior line problems.  We’ve been typically getting 2 or maybe 3 starters out of each draft followed by depth players, rotational players, practice squad players and players that are now playing for other teams.  Van put up a very good article on this just a few days ago.  I'd link to it here if I could figure out how.  So to think that just because we’re giving up a third round pick means that we’re also giving up a starter or someone that’s filled a position of need isn’t necessarily accurate.  It’s definitely possible to lose out on some third round some gems like Bradley Fletcher Bradley and OJ Atogwe.  But it’s more likely that we’re simply missing out on such hall of famers as John Greco, Jonathan Wade, Claude Wrotten, Jon Alston and Dominique Byrd.  I realize that thankfully Billy D is no Jay Ziggy but it’s just showing that the third round is no sure thing.

 Now I guess the next most logical question is “Is this possible?”.  I think it’s worth a shot if (and a big IF) Green happens to slip past the Bengals at #4.  Arizona will absolutely not trade back with us to help us get AJ knowing they’d have to go up against him twice a year.  But with Fitz already on their roster and with their number of holes, they’re probably not taking a WR in the first round either.  Then we get to the Browns.  Just 2 years ago, they traded back from a top 5 pick all the way down to #21 in order to pick up some extra draft picks.  This is a team that’s already shown a propensity to trade down and has numerous holes themselves to fill.  Trading back 8 spots in order to pick up an extra 3rd round pick definitely isn’t out of the realm of possibility.  Hell, we could even throw in a 7th rounder as a sweetener.

 So in this scenario, yeah we lose out on a 3rd round pick but we gain a true #1 receiver and seem to set the position for years to come.  In order to ease the pain of losing the pick, we could even try to trade back in the second round to nab an additional 4th rounder.

 Can you imagine our starting receiving corp being AJ Green and Mark Clayton on the outside with Danny Amendola or Donnie Avery running up the slot?  Combine the depth and potential of DX and Brandon Gibson, we should be set.  And for all of you Mardy Gilyard fans out there (yep, both of you!), remember he’s still practice squad eligible.  So once one of starters inevitably blows out a knee, we still have even more of a pool to dig from…

Let me know what you guys think!

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Do you think we should trade up in the draft giving up a 3rd round pick to get AJ Green?
Yes! Bring on the Greatest Show on Turf Version 2.0
57 votes
Nah, too many other needs to be wasting draft picks.
19 votes

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I'd love this

and I just made a huge post about us thinking short term.

The issue is, is I just don’t see it as a possibility. In theory it makes perfect sense, but Cleveland may want Dareus, AJ or Julio, maybe even Bowers.

I don’t see them moving back and missing an elite talent for an extra 3rd round pick.

I also don’t feel AJ will last past Cincy… but that’s just me.

Bradford to Onobun!

by Infemous on Apr 20, 2011 9:51 AM CDT reply actions  

Cincy would be idiots to draft a WR

Palmer has already said a million times he will retire rather than play for them again. I don’t get why so many mock drafts have them taking any player other than a QB.

Sam Bradford

by Jombari on Apr 20, 2011 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

well we saw CJ Spiller go 9 overall to buffalo

AJ is a much better talent… You never know! lol

Bradford to Onobun!

by Infemous on Apr 20, 2011 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

True

I just see the Bengals going with Gabbert. Same attributes as palmer with a better arm and more mobile. With no way of aquiring a QB through trade or FA, they cant go into the year with Jordan Palmer and Dan Lefevour.

Sam Bradford

by Jombari on Apr 20, 2011 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

In an ironic twist

I also just commented on your post about trading back sounding great in theory also but probably not very likely. Tis the season I guess for draft dreamers…

by davebro747 on Apr 20, 2011 10:08 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

ahah yeah

if we could somehow combine our dream scenarios we’d be superbowl bound

Bradford to Onobun!

by Infemous on Apr 20, 2011 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not inclined to disagree

with your rationale, but think that it would take more than a 1st and a 3rd (the 7th is useless, really). I also agree with the belief that AJ Green has the look of that true #1 WR, which leads me to believe that moving up would be more costly than the team can bear. I have been on the AJ Green train for a while, and pessimistically thought—before the 2010 success—that the team might be in a position to draft him. Now that the team sits at #14, I think a move up would be too costly. IF a team were willing to move down for only a 3rd, the FO should consider it. On a side note, wouldn’t it have been great if FA had happened? If the team could have signed a veteran OLB/OG/S/etc., a move up would make even MORE sense. Stupid lockout!

by mcihaelT on Apr 20, 2011 11:18 AM CDT reply actions  

I've said this many times

Why does he need that much separation, he’s big and can overpower the defender, try stopping him going over the middle.
I wouldn’t mind trading up for him or Green, as long as we’re sure of them.

by RG31 on Apr 20, 2011 12:13 PM CDT reply actions  

This wouldn't just cost in draft picks

if there is not a new CBA agreed and there is a rookie scale in place, moving up in the draft takes more capital investment in wages.

Even if we are not going to fork out Sidney Rice or Vincent Jackson wages, I’d still like to take a run at guys like Rocky McIntosh and Barry Cofield (if he escapes the tag). Paying more for rookies is going to reduce the likelihood of us going after FA’s that are anything more than cast off’s.

I’d love to get Green, but he is not the final piece we need so I’m not sure I like the idea of trading up.

On another note, the Cardinals shouldn’t be allowed to take AJ Green. Fitz and Green together would be frightening for any secondary (esp ours without a starting quality FS anymore). Imagine if they managed to trade for a QB like McNabb too? Nope, that’s not fair and shouldn’t be allowed.

by RamintheUK on Apr 20, 2011 1:57 PM CDT reply actions  

We need too

many picks and we shouldnt do it, moving up that far could cost more than a 3rd rounder.

by zachmann21 on Apr 20, 2011 4:53 PM CDT reply actions  

If this can happen then obivously it would be a no-brainer......but

Almost every mock has AJ goin to either Cincy or dropping to the Browns…..Now if the Browns have a legit chance at AJ or Jones why would the lose out and trade down to 14? If Washington is really intrested in Jones and we trade up and grab AJ then the Browns miss on both WR (and they have nothing at the position) so realistically it wouldnt make sense….unless we give the browns some of our guys that would help ease Shurmur in his offense or something. IDK we’ll probably have to go higher to Cincy maybe. Tough spot with 9ers and Cards up in the top 10 and they wont trade with us.

"Victory at all costs, victory in spite of all terror, victory however long and hard the road may be; for without victory there is no PLAYOFFS."
Winston Churchill

by SMASH44 on Apr 21, 2011 1:43 AM CDT reply actions  

Here are three quotes from Devaney in today's St. Louis paper.

I think once you read them you’ll see they haven’t changed their philosophy of building the team for the long term through the draft. All the things in quotation marks are directly from Devaney.

Devaney hasn’t ruled out a move up or down in the draft order (this sentence was from the reporter).. “But, chances are, we’re going to stay right at 14, and we’’ll be fine. We have a really good feeling that there will be a couple of guys there that we’ll be thrilled to have. It’s probably not worth our while to give up picks to make a move to go get a particular guy.”

“We’re going to take the same approach we’ve taken in years past: pick the best player available. And we’re going to let our board drive us to that player, take us there.”

“Other than quarterback or maybe middle linebacker, you start talking about the first round, we can improve our team anywhere. I think that’s the best way to go about it. When you start reaching for guys, you’re making first rounders that really aren’t.”

by andyhawk on Apr 21, 2011 10:37 AM CDT reply actions  

I too worry about Jones' lack of seperation

Gil Brandt said the number one reason wide receivers fail in the NFL is their inability to get separation. We certainly saw this as our biggest problem in the last game with one-on-one coverage. I don’t think you can move up far enough with a 3rd rounder to get Green. Let’s just get a great DL at 14 and keep our 3rd.

by 2cents on Apr 22, 2011 11:27 AM CDT reply actions  

Where's your proof

That he can’t get separation, everybody has complaints about him with now proof.

Get some impact players!!

by RG31 on Apr 22, 2011 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

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