Stuck in the middle: Judging the Rams' 2008-2010 draft picks, rounds three through seven
Regardless of what James Carville thinks about the NFC West, St. Louis Rams GM Billy Devaney has captained a ship back from the abyss. His course has been a simple one: draft well. Over the last three years, Devaney and his staff has managed to acquire the cornerstones for a solid foundation, offensive tackles, defensive line and a world class quarterback. No team can really afford to miss on those early picks, especially the Rams, and it looks like those picks have worked out to keep the team moving the right direction. But what about the other picks, those day two and day three players where teams get needed roster depth, a few starters and the occasional superstar?
Jim Thomas has a look back at the Rams' 2008 draft, Devaney's first. Had it not been for Chris Long's break through to stardom, the 2008 draft class might have looked much like the others to preceded it. Outside of Long, results from rounds two through three seem to be filled with lost opportunities and players that just could not breakthrough for whatever reason, be it injury or getting lost in the coaching shuffle between 2008 and 2009.
Over the last three years, the Rams have picked 20 players in rounds three through seven. And what have those twenty picks produced?
To classify the players taken, I'm going to break it down in a few different levels, a mostly arbitrary grading system. Today's post is focused directly on the Rams results. Tomorrow, I'll take a look at how it compares with other teams in the league.
Breakouts (maybe not a superstar, but definitely better than average)
Picking Fletcher was a little bit of a surprise, in that he wasn't on the radar as a third rounder for a lot of fans and pundits. He played his way into the starting lineup as a rookie, and solidified his spot last year.
Starters
David Vobora, Michael Hoomanawanui
I probably shouldn't categorize Vobora as a starter, but I think we can all agree he's got starting chops...and showed that in starting duty in 2009. Na'il Diggs took his place last year. Putting Uh Oh here is a stretch too. It looks like he'll be the starter based on his limited performance as a rookie, but a new offensive coordinator presents something of an unknown.
Depth & Role Players
Chris Chamberlain, John Greco, Justin King, George Selvie, Jerome Murphy
Chamberlain's a solid ST contributor that also gets time in the nickel package. Greco is at least a reliable backup who probably isn't getting the playing time he deserves, probably another gift categorization here. Selvie showed some promise as a situational pass rusher, and you wonder if he's capable of being a starter. Murphy played better later in the season, and looks to at least have played his way into the rotation, whether as a CB or S. The Rams moved to keep King, signing a contract extension before the lockout, so they at least see him on their depth chart for the immediate future.
Future Unknown
Darell Scott, Josh Hull, Marquis Johnson, Eugene Sims, Fendi Onobun, Mardy Gilyard
It's a little soon to proffer too much judgement on the future of the guys from the 2010 draft. This will be an important training camp for them. Onobun might be the odd man out in McDaniels' offense. Scott was a disappointment, but did struggle with injuries. Josh Hull never saw the field, hitting IR before the season started.
Long Gone
Roy Schuening, Keenan Burton, Chris Ogbonnaya, Keith Null, Brooks Foster, Hall Davis
I'm actually a little surprised that only two of the eight picks from 2008 are gone. The rest are still on the roster, some in established roles (Chamberlain, Vobora) and some that need to prove that they belong this year (Avery and Greco). The 2009 draft actually looks a little worse for the later round picks with three of seven total picks already gone and a fourth on the bubble (the second and third round that year produced two bona fide superstars in James Laurinaitis and Fletcher and an above-average offensive tackle in the first).
The Rams' track record in rounds three through seven isn't as bad as what I had in mind when I sat down to do this. They've done okay getting depth, but the lack of players to emerge into starters is the biggest weakness, particularly in terms of the third round picks. The picture will get clearer and easier to judge this August and during the season as players like Greco, Murphy and Gilyard get a chance to make a statement about their future. Those three, out of all these players, really need to be more than just depth considering where they were picked in the draft.
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Ugh
That’s what worries me about this year. We have to get someone the caliber of UhOh or Fletcher after the 2nd.
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"my keyboard won't corporate, neighter will my smell check." - Knoxfan
True-and maybe we can bullseye in the third.
According to the quote yesterday from Todd McShay (ESPN) rams are desperate and will be starting the picks from the third.
The Rams, of course, would love Jones to add a big-play element on offense. But the price to move from 14 to 9 would be at least a 2011 third-round pick, and St. Louis has one of the NFL’s weakest rosters. That third-rounder they’d be giving up is probably a Week 1 starter.
This guy’s a jerkoff in my opinion.
I'm in total agreement with you brother!
McShay can be a real ass at times.
Go Rams!
"We can't run. We can't pass. We can't stop the run. We can't stop the pass. We can't kick. Other than that, we're just not a very good football team right now." --- Bruce Coslett, New York Jets Head Coach circa 1990s
I have never
understood all the hate for McShay. He’s just another guy with an opinion. Since he works for a major media outlet he has access to coaches and scouts. Last year Kiper was saying Clausen was better than Bradford – McShay disagreed (wisely it seems so far).
That being said – a lot of people loathe him. I have a couple of TV commentators I can’t stand – Trent Dilfer is one, Rob Dibble was another. McShay just doesn’t bother me the way he does a lot of people.
Trent Dilfer
is everything that’s wrong with TV analysts. But I’m with you- McShay has his opinions just like Kiper and everyone else. He’s got 32 teams to dissect and attempt to analyze, so he’s going to be off a couple times.
"Fac Fortia et Patere"
by FailureDrill on Apr 17, 2011 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions
stephen A smith, skip bayless, and sean salisbury!!
i couldnt stand seasn salisbury!! remember when espn used to have him a nd the professior john clyton duel on the coors light six pack of questions? and seasn would berate, and and just try to trash john on the air! trying to make john look like an idiot!! like he knew it all. i freaking hated that guy!
and skip bayless..what more can you say about that galapagos tortoise! him with his stupid opinions and talking over people, always in the negative!! he was another one o couldnt stand!!
by Mark Jaramillo on Apr 17, 2011 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions
ean i meant! nor seasn! sorry! typing too fast.
by Mark Jaramillo on Apr 17, 2011 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Plus to credit McShay
People always say he’s wrong but he’s the only one (that i heard on ESPN) that predicted the huge fall by Clausen last year. I don’t hate him like others do it’s just his opinion.
mcshay has a inferiority complex....
he just doesnt like the fact that fans, and draft pundits take, and value mel kipers word over his. kipers been doing this for over 30 yrs! mcshay just doesnt like that period! notice everytime espn has them both on, and they ask kiper a question, mcshay just sneers, with that cocky little smirk, like whatever!
i like mcshay dont get me wrong, he has some good insight of his own, he just doesnt like to have to bowdown to the real draft expert, who is mel kiper!
by Mark Jaramillo on Apr 18, 2011 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions
That's why I think Devaney still has a lot to prove
Is it possible we have been blinded by the relative success of Devaney because we compare him to his predecessor rather than to the most successful GM’s in the business? I like Devaney and really hope he succeeds, but he has to do better at finding skill position players outside rounds 1-3. Tampa is a good example. Look at their draft choices and undrafted free agents over the past few years or Green Bay or Indy or Pittsburgh. To become a championship team again we need Devaney to become one of the five best GM’s in the NFL. He still has a chance.
I agree with you.
I think we can trow away this year because of the CBA situation. I am real curios what Kronke thinks. That guy does not tip his hand at all does he? I guess that is good but being a fan wanting info I want to rip apart a arch!
I agree totally.
It’s easy to think he’s done a great job because his predecessors were so abysmal and because he’s had the luxury of the number 1 and 2 picks overall in the draft. But it’s not the round one picks that make a team great; it is, as the post indicates, rounds 3-7, and in the undrafted free agents where great evaluators of talent find great players at relatively low cost.
I still have hope for gilyard
its more of a mental thing for him, but he has the talent. Hopefully hes got some portion of the playbook. We all know he needs all the extra time he can get.
+1 I don’t want to give up on a guy with his talent yet. He has the potential to be a fantastic number two type reciever and pepole are ready to get rid of him after a bad rookie season at the WR position. That should have been expected
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by Josh Wehrle on Apr 17, 2011 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Actually, it's not Mardy I'm rooting for-he will be ok-BUT
We have a RB that also has a great deal of talent, but no brain, so if we can get him on line, he’s really tough to bring down. (no-not Toaston)
did you just say SJAX has no brain??
Sam Bradford + Julio Jones = Championships all day...
Melo + Amar'e = NBA Championships all day...
by MyACLisBrittle on Apr 17, 2011 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Did you say "great deal of talent"?
Cuz that wouldnt include Washington’s name
"Victory at all costs, victory in spite of all terror, victory however long and hard the road may be; for without victory there is no PLAYOFFS."
Winston Churchill
Physical talent-his college stats were great when he could play
Just wasn’t smart enough to play a lot.
oh i was like i used to like you knoxfan
but i dont know if i can handle you saying SJAX has no brain hahahaha. I totally forgot about Washington tho.
Sam Bradford + Julio Jones = Championships all day...
Melo + Amar'e = NBA Championships all day...
by MyACLisBrittle on Apr 18, 2011 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions
How about a wild thought?
So instead of trading up, we trade down for a player + #14? Example: Trade down to #24 and Reggie Bush with NO
Bush has had a so-so career so far, but is it him or the offense on which he plays that limits him? I’ve always thought of him a Marshal Faulk – type player. Would he do better with us? Is this type of trade something we could do with another team, and aquire a know quantity player to fill a need?
Wild thought? Stupid thought? Which ever you choose, it is still interesting to consider…
I would love that but....
If the draft happens with the lock out in place (which it looks like) players can not be part of a trade.
Good observation, I have a Question...
If the CBA isn’t concluded before the draft and it contains a Rookie salary cap, will it apply to this draft? Can they make an agreement that covers players not yet in the temporarily suspended NFLPA? Especially underclassmen that left school based on the previous salary standard and are secured by teams before a new CBA?
I think they can.
As you said, they don’t have a contract so they aren’t part of the union yet. If they union agrees to a new CBA that has a rookie salary cap, I think it will apply to the guys drafted this year.
Not surprisngly, I digress.
Chris Long a star? It takes more than 8.5 sacks and 1-2 tackles per game against the 2nd weakest schedule in the league to be one IMHO. Must be the opinion of the Pro-Bowl voters too. Vobora starting material???? Having to play this guy outside of special teams is a crime. He hurts us everytime he steps in at OLB. Chamberlain, Greco, Murphy, Selvie..? Certainly nothing here to brag about – especially Greco. He sat out while one of the worst players on our team, Adam Goldberg, started at OG. Darell Scott, Josh Hull, Marquis Johnson, Eugene Sims, Fendi Onobun, and Mardy Gilyard will likely all be taking the train shortly. And finally, 2nd overall pick Jason Smith has turned out to be an average $33M RT that everyone is scared to death will get his bell rung and be on IR. Nope. No matter how hard the effort to talk up the last few drafts, ya can’t polish a turd. Aside from JL, Sam and Saffold we have a lot of young, under-performing, well-paid players.
Personally I'm not impressed with how DeVaney hasdrafted at all
Sure we hit on JL and Saffold but Sam was a no-brainer and Suh would have been fine. Long was a good pick I guess, but the 2009 draft could have come out better. I’m not throwing in the towel yet on any of these guys. I hope they all turn out and I eat crow but our drafts have been so disappointing that I’ve come to look forward to them, yet dread the results.
Wolf. Wolfgang Wolf
I was reading recently that Parcells
wishes he had taken Ryan instead of Jake. If he had taken Ryan, we would have had Jake playing LT for us the last three years, we might have taken someone other than Smith in 2009, and who knows how things might have turned out?
It would have turned out the same
Jake is no savior and Bulger jus would have more time to look scared in the pocket. Hall would have no one opposite him and we probably would have made the same sorry a$$ picks.
"Victory at all costs, victory in spite of all terror, victory however long and hard the road may be; for without victory there is no PLAYOFFS."
Winston Churchill
Bulger was definitely a weak point. But Jake is a better player than Chris. And we could've avoided Smith altogether.
I dont agree with Chris not being a good player
he is on his way to being pretty good. just not there yet. but last year i saw some great things, then the next week i saw nothing. If I remember correctly his stats now were better than Howie’s first couple of years and we all know how Howie turned out.
Sam Bradford + Julio Jones = Championships all day...
Melo + Amar'e = NBA Championships all day...
by MyACLisBrittle on Apr 18, 2011 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions
After round 3 our picks are kinda dissappointing.
Sam Bradford + Julio Jones = Championships all day...
Melo + Amar'e = NBA Championships all day...
by MyACLisBrittle on Apr 18, 2011 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Well we aren't the only team who missed on rounds 4-7.
We do better on undrafted picks, so I guess it balances out.,
Is that great man formally known as Tevin T. Broner, also I'm on twitter T_bron
we need a scapegoat
I’m blaming alot of those shitty picks on this years combine rams headliner “coldhand” luke driscoll.
We've had shitty picks for years...thats our M O
And teams like the Ravens and Pats make great ones. I blame the scouts. Hitting on JL and Saffold doesnt excuse them from Donnie over Desean, J.Smith over E.Monroe, and totally missing out on Mike Williams seriously he’s a stud WR we coulda really used over Gilyard.
"Victory at all costs, victory in spite of all terror, victory however long and hard the road may be; for without victory there is no PLAYOFFS."
Winston Churchill
J. Smith is better than Monroe.
I can’t think of a tackle better in the first round that draft thats better than Smith (and no not Oher), but that doesn’t mean Smith was worth the number 2 overall pick either.. And i think any team would have taken Donnie over Desean. Bigger, stronger, faster.. Its a crap shoot. and the Mike Willams thing hurts so bad. damn you mardy
Sam Bradford + Julio Jones = Championships all day...
Melo + Amar'e = NBA Championships all day...
by MyACLisBrittle on Apr 18, 2011 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions
first of all chris long is better then his sack total suggests
hes always in the backfield disrupting plays. vobora is a good special teamer, but has no business starting. i really want to know why greco hasnt gotten more time. i liked him when he was drafted and he seemed to do pretty well when he played.
if we get a sam bradford and rodger staffold in every draft, i will he happy. two potential future pro-bowlers a year? hell yea sign me up.
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If Long was consistently disrupting plays as is imagined here, we wouldn't have lost so many winnable games by not being able to make a crucial stop.
Tampa and SF made our defense look like UFLer’s while converting ridiculously long 3rd and 4th downs late in the 4th quarter. Atl, NO, KC and Detroit flat blew us out and we almost squandered a 20 point lead versus the Bronco’s. Of course our very feeble offense didn’t help any either in losses to the Cards, Hawks and Oakland.
agreed
he has to show up consistently. i can remember saying how great he was one week then the next checking NFL.com to see if he was really playing.. he disappeared for whole games sometimes.
Sam Bradford + Julio Jones = Championships all day...
Melo + Amar'e = NBA Championships all day...
by MyACLisBrittle on Apr 18, 2011 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions

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