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How to fix the running game



I am of the belief that the rams need to fix the ground game for Bradford to improve next year. After the jump, I'll break down how we should go about doing that.

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Obviously, Adam Goldberg's play was atrocious, and we need a new right guard. I think that if we pick up someone like John Moffitt or Justin Boren in the middle rounds of the draft and give Greco a chance, our running backs will have a lot more running room on the right side.

Since we cut ties with Kenneth Darby, we need at least one backup running back. I also think that we should be looking to replace Keith Toston, if Sjax gets hurt again and we have Toston as the primary backup, we can kiss our playoff dreams goodbye. I think that we need to draft a third down back (there are plenty) and get someone that can carry the load for a game or two in case Jackson gets hurt. Here is my plan:

1: draft a midround/late round run-blocking guard like Boren or Moffitt.

2: draft a complement back in the late rounds (hopefully we will have traded down at least once to get extra picks) like JaQuizz Rodgers or Noel Devine.

3: draft a back that could end up being Jackson's successor in rounds 3, 4, or 5 that at the very least would form a good three headed monster with Jackson and a quick running back in the later rounds. I really like Ryan Williams in the third, Shane Vereen in the fourth, and Bilal Powell in the fifth.

I realize that is alot of draft capital to be spending on the running game, but I think that it will be well worth it to keep Jackson around longer and to help take the pressure off of Bradford. I dont think that it's unreasonable to expect at least two picks this year to focus on the ground game. Plus, if we trade down and get more late round picks, that frees up another spot to grab a second running back to form an imposing rushing attack. Let me know what you guys think.

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dont know about takin more than one back in the draft

As we have so many needs to fill…but I agree that this Def. Needs to get addressed sooner than later. I would be a fan of grabin one in fa (if there is one) and drafting one of the many speedy cats in a middle round…what’s that Taiwan dudes name lol or Rogers

by teatech2 on Apr 10, 2011 9:07 AM CDT via mobile reply actions  

Taiwan Jones

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by Josh Wehrle on Apr 10, 2011 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

I know...i was bn silly

I really like the dude

by teatech2 on Apr 10, 2011 9:35 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Rogers?

Why is everybody on this guys jock? he was good in college but he’s no way gonna hold up in the NFL in which we’d benefit from. If SJax goes down are we gonna rely on Rogers and Toston? really? He is like a gimick player and we are a gimick type team like the Pats plus we have needs not luxury picks.

"Victory at all costs, victory in spite of all terror, victory however long and hard the road may be; for without victory there is no PLAYOFFS."
Winston Churchill

by SMASH44 on Apr 10, 2011 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's 1/3 of our draft spent on running backs

  I think we have too many other holes to spend that much on the RB position. Even if we do trade down as you noted, to spend this much solely on the running game at the cost of our passing game, the pass rush, pass coverage or run defense seems very narrow.
  Maybe it’s just a year too early. By next offseason, we should be in position to blow out a position like this. We might be a year too early though to make a push on the running game this year.

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by 3k on Apr 10, 2011 9:12 AM CDT reply actions  

I should have said

that to take 2 running backs we need to pick up at least 2 or 3 extra picks. I keep forgetting that we don’t have a 6th rounder. I’m loving Trent Richardson next year though.

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by Josh Wehrle on Apr 10, 2011 9:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

I disagree with your whole concept at running back

Goldberg was never intended to be a big power guard, That’s not even why we keep him. He is a rotational fill-in that can play anywhere on the line. That’s a talent that we don’t have anywhere else. Yes, we DO need a power guard, but not at the expense of Goldberg. Bell is the one that hasn’t performed up to contract.
SJax was pounded every year trying to break out of the OL’s traffic lanes, and only broke out a few times per game. We should have retained Darby, because he is a faster back and can get thru a hole faster than SJax. Plus he’s tough. He could get 30 touches per game and be ready for 30 more. BUT-if SJax can’t move the OL pile, how can we sham Darby for the for the same thing? Same thing goes for Toast. He can neverget more than 20 yds per game if he only gets 2 touches in 6 games. I’m more excited about our running game when we draft for the OL and THEN see what happens.

by Knoxfan on Apr 10, 2011 9:14 AM CDT reply actions  

I didn't say that we need to cut Goldberg

Just that he played awful at RG last year. I agree Bell hasn’t played well, but he played better the Goldberg last year. Darby was not that good and could easily be replaced this year.

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by Josh Wehrle on Apr 10, 2011 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

agreed

A good o line makes any offense better… that being said, 3k is right, go all need this year and wait till next to spend picks on wants

by teatech2 on Apr 10, 2011 9:33 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

USED TO BE a superstar

Only upgrading the OL and using good TE blocking can bring him back up to being feared at all. If teams stop stacking the box this year we will know SJax scares no-one.

by Knoxfan on Apr 10, 2011 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

When Darby filled in for SJax for a full game, he did pretty good

If SJax only got 4 or 5 touches per game and Darby got 24 touches, we wouldn’t be having this thing about Darby, but about SJax. It’s all about rhythm . It don’t click with just 4 or 5 touches.

by Knoxfan on Apr 10, 2011 9:36 AM CDT reply actions  

I think we are one and a half good guards away from being able to have a one legged 5 year old rush for 90 yards and two touchdowns a game lol

by teatech2 on Apr 10, 2011 9:39 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

In an ideal world....

We would be able to trade Jackson while he still has some value and invest in a youthful running back tandem that would grow with the rest of the youth movement. I know its unpopular to say anything slightly negative about Jackson, but his best years are clearly behind him, the wear and tear will catch up quickly, and his style is changing (dancing versus exploding through the hole). I do not believe our lack of running game calls solely on the line’s inability to push or the play calling for Bradford last season. Jackson is a Randy Moss scenario, but with one or two more decent years ahead of where Moss was last year.

by Ms. Irrelevant on Apr 10, 2011 9:56 AM CDT reply actions  

What you mean about Randy Moss scenario?

Why trade our best leader? We already let Atogwe go. It’s not all about X’s and O’s. Also the Rams can’t trade their best playmaker on offense.

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by Tevin Broner on Apr 10, 2011 10:23 AM CDT reply actions  

Ahem----

SJax is no longer our best playmaker on offence.

by Knoxfan on Apr 10, 2011 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

Most consistent then.

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by Tevin Broner on Apr 10, 2011 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

Let me put it this way….I believe the FO has asked themselves whether their top priority is to sell as many tickets asap and do what they can to slap on bandaids to “quick fix” their team or patiently build for the future. I hope and believe that their actions so far suggest the latter. We have a very unique situation to build this team from the bottom-up through the draft. By doing that we can position the pieces around the board to be sustainable for a long, long time. SJax doesn’t fit into the latter philosophy. If he could be traded for two young and hungry backs that can be embedded into 5-8 years of planning for the Rams, it is a completely different story than trying to figure out how to minimize even more wear and tear on a back that dances through holes and maybe has two decent (not good) years left.

by Ms. Irrelevant on Apr 10, 2011 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

Demarco Murray

in the 3rd sounds good to me

by RG31 on Apr 10, 2011 11:51 AM CDT reply actions  

It's chilling and amazing at the same time

Can you imagine how time flies? In a number of years we will be saying “Get rid of that Sam the Sham and get a QB!!” Oh my—

by Knoxfan on Apr 10, 2011 12:03 PM CDT reply actions  

One View

  Sjax is a known commodity. He is part of the reason why Bradford will be successful. Teams have to respect play action with Sjax around. Darby was a fine player, but he didn’t garner the respect of other teams. He was not a focus of pre-game planning the way Sjax makes teams plan for him on every play.
  Thoughts on how to gain further picks has merit, yet removing a power component at this stage will hurt the offense far beyond what could be gained by any late round RBs this year. Acquiring a free agent RB like Slaton will add to the backfield and not blur the ability or capacity of the running game like trading Sjax would do.
  Sjax is also an excellent receiver out of the backfield. Bradford would lose the best all-round offensive weapon he currently has available.
  Lastly, Sjax is a team leader and that has a value all its own that can’t be replaced by a rookie RB. The shortened training period this year means we will need all the veteran players we have, so much so that this years picks for every team have been effected. Project players aren’t going to be high on any teams list.
  A Sjax trade at this time…? No
  Build a two-back running game? We are half way there.

by Douglas M on Apr 10, 2011 12:15 PM CDT reply actions  

+1

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by Tevin Broner on Apr 10, 2011 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

sj39 does his damage once he gets to the 2nd level

 If you’ve noticed, he runs very upright and gets stood up at the line of scrimmage, maybe due to the back surgery. Hes good at making db’s miss and shedding tackles, but not the powerful inside runner he once was. Im thinking we draft a da’rell scott type back, a guy who can run between the tackles and catch out of the backfield as well, doesnt have to be a “scatback”. Anthony allen, alex green, vereen, todman, plenty of options there.

by caliramsfan1 on Apr 10, 2011 12:16 PM CDT reply actions  

If we get Vereen in the 4th or Williams in the 3rd I would be happy

I just think that Jackson gets hurt ALOT and we need a running back combo that can carry the load for a few games if he does get hurt. I don’t want Bradford to be alone on offense if Jackson gets hurt. I really want us to be able to get Trent Richardson next year, so maybe instead of saying we need to draft two running backs I should have said we need to draft one and acquire a one year backup (clinton portis?) via free agency

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by Josh Wehrle on Apr 10, 2011 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Have you seen how far Marcell Dareus has fallen in Mocks? If he’s at 8 or 9, should we try to make a move up and get him? He’s the best DT in the draft as far as I can discern. The only thing we have to trade is picks and TEs

by Douglas M on Apr 10, 2011 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think getting a RB and OG is too much to ask

     But we probably can’t afford to add much more for the ground game, unless we do trade into more picks or free agency gets off the ground in time.

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by dbcouver on Apr 10, 2011 12:36 PM CDT reply actions  

Tell 'em!

Don’t know ‘bout drafting two RBs, but we agree on the choices. I’d be happy with Williams, Vereen or mancrush BILAL. If Williams is there for the Rams’ third pick (slightly unlikely), I’d love that too.

by Abrantes on Apr 10, 2011 1:42 PM CDT reply actions  

Take my word for it, it's never going to happen.

At least not under Josh McD’s watch it wont. Here’s the problem. First off we don’t have a 6th round pick and we didn’t get any comp. round picks but we do have two 7th round picks so in all we have seven picks. Second McD is a very pass-oriented OC (thing WRs). And third, Spags is a very defense-oriented HC (think DEs, DTs, WLB, S, CB).

It’s already been established just about everywhere that the Rams top needs are: WR – DT/DE – WLB – OG – S/CB – RB (not necessarily in that order but those positions).

So lets just say this is how the draft goes for the Rams (or you could mix it up a little bit):

1 – WR
2 – DE or DT (or they could take one of each in two diff. rounds)
3 – WLB
4 – S
5 – OG
7 – CB
7 – RB

So there’s just are not enough draft picks to grab two Running Backs unless they forgo one of their other needs. And even if they do trade down to get an extra pick I still don’t see them picking up more than one RB.

Go Rams!

"We can't run. We can't pass. We can't stop the run. We can't stop the pass. We can't kick. Other than that, we're just not a very good football team right now." --- Bruce Coslett, New York Jets Head Coach circa 1990s

by Nbr1RamFan on Apr 10, 2011 2:04 PM CDT reply actions  

Well, Spags is the Head Coach

and everyone knows he loves a great Defense. However, as I said, you can mix up the picks but based on my list of selections I do have 3 Offensive players (WR-OG-RB) there.

Go Rams!

"We can't run. We can't pass. We can't stop the run. We can't stop the pass. We can't kick. Other than that, we're just not a very good football team right now." --- Bruce Coslett, New York Jets Head Coach circa 1990s

by Nbr1RamFan on Apr 11, 2011 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

But those three picks are too low though, in my opinion.

So we’re gonna get another Chris Ogbonnya by taking a RB in the 7th? And an OG that may or may not be starting material in the 5th? I’m just saying that those guys should be early round picks cause they’ll really be able to make a different for us offensively.

by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Apr 11, 2011 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

You miss my point.

I said you can “mix it up a little” as to when each position is actually selected, but the main point I was trying to make is that there are just not enough picks to pick two (2) Running Backs".

Go Rams!

"We can't run. We can't pass. We can't stop the run. We can't stop the pass. We can't kick. Other than that, we're just not a very good football team right now." --- Bruce Coslett, New York Jets Head Coach circa 1990s

by Nbr1RamFan on Apr 16, 2011 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think the Rams should be targeting RBs

Too many other needs. If a RB gets drafted, I hope its because one falls into their lap that is way too valuable to pass up. (ie a Mark Ingram in Round 2 or a Ryan Williams in Round 3). If the Rams are targeting a RB, it should be a guy that can run between the tackles and take it the distance. By my estimation, that would be Mikel Leshoure in Round 2 and Roy Helu Jr in Round 5.

by ClaytonW on Apr 10, 2011 2:10 PM CDT reply actions  

We need to take the Committee approach

That should allow a couple of more years on Had…Quizz would be great addition

by JordansDad on Apr 10, 2011 3:30 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

Isn’t this supposed to be a really strong draft for middle round running backs? So I wouldnt be disappointed if we did decide to get two rb’s in this years draft.For Dougie’s question about moving up for Dareus. Im not real big on us trading up and losing more picks, but if we did,and got Dareus, I’d be happy with that. That guys a 330 pound beast!!! What if we traded down and Jones and Dareus where both still there.Who do you pick then?

by Bako105Ramfan on Apr 10, 2011 3:53 PM CDT reply actions  

If they were both there?

 I like them both for their talent and ability to hit the ground running the first day of the season. Before I picked though, I make a try at both with next year’s first round pick, Spags car and Kroenke’s house. If I had to pick between the two? I’d take Dareus. I agree with Bako105Ramfan. Dareus is as close to a guaranteed star as there is in this draft. My biggest misgiving about Jones is his physical style not translating well at the NFL level. Next years draft should have at least 4 top quality WRs.

by Douglas M on Apr 10, 2011 5:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Somebody compared Leshoure to SJ39.

Maybe we could trade down and get him late in the first/ early in the 2nd?

by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Apr 12, 2011 12:00 PM CDT reply actions  

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