The Truth About Josh McDaniels
Intrigued by the hiring of Josh McDaniels, I decided to do a spot of research.
I posted on the Pats page and received some absolutely fantastic information. The idea was to find out information about McD as a Co-Ordinator. At Denver he could not be fairly judged due to his massive increase in responsibilities. It is difficult to see if he would work for us as well as he did for New England, mainly due to the hierarchal system in place there. Bill Belicheck is a more experienced, wisened and respected Head Coach than Steve Spagnuolo's. He runs that organisation in such a manner that his 'underlings' do not have the authority to affect the team in a way that contradicts his approach. A big question regards whether Spags wields that same power.
In this post I'd like to summarise and present to you some of the information I gleamed from the Patriots fans. Again, many many thanks to the Patriots fans that commented on my post and shared such excellent information.
System Information.
Josh McDaniels gives his Wide Receivers options in their routes. This alludes to the comments made by many Bronco and Pats fans regarding the requirement of players in McD's system to be intelligent players. It means that Wide Receivers and Tight Ends have to have the intelligence to read the defense and adjust to what they are giving them in their routes. Quarterbacks also need to be very smart and on the same page as the WRs so that they can connect on these routes.
The Running Back that will receive the most snaps will be the Running Back who is most effective in pass protection. Kevin Faulk saw 50% of the snaps in New England, due to his blocking ability (and his receiving ability).
Kevin Faulk - NFL Running Back (via BillySpikes37)
We'd have to see if SJax works hard at his blocking in the off season to fit the mould of a McDaniels Running back. Currently Kenneth Darby is our best blocking RB. For this reason alone I believe Darby will remain a Ram next season. This may also impact the likelihood of us drafting a complimentary back like Noel Devine or Quizz Rodgers in the upcoming draft. With Darby seeing an increase in snaps (hypothetically) this would lower the demand placed on SJax to run the ball and subsequently the need for a back up.
McDaniels employs a man/power blocking Run Scheme. This means that our desire for more beef up front to aid the run game should hopefully be met. One of the first things he did in Denver was remove the zone blocking scheme and add some bigger linemen.
McDaniels places emphasis on the 3rd WR as a safety net. So... If Clayton is #1 Amendola #2 in the slot and Gibson is #3, then Gibson should see a spike in production, mainly due to an increased role. Jabar Gaffney played this role for McDaniels. Generally this sort of player is a jack of all trades, solid mid level route runner. Whoever fits this role is open to debate.
Jabar Gaffney highlights (via sasuke6483)
As I'm sure we all probably know, McD loves using his wideouts. TE's were not used too much by the Pats when he was there, but they did not have anyone who was particularly dynamic. They had Ben Watson, but no Gronk or Hernandez. This leads people to wonder what he'd have done with those 2 studs at TE. Do we compare? No, but it'll be interesting to see how McD utilizes the skills of Oh Oh and maybe even Fendi. Bajema would likely be kept, as from history McD has mainly used TEs as blockers. Remember he drafted blocking Tight End Quinn in the 2nd Round in his first draft with Denver.
Playcalling.
Patriots fans generally said that McDaniels neglected certain aspects of the offense. Specifically the RBs and TEs. It was stated that they were intrigued to see quite how Steven Jackson would be used.
McDaniels apparently seems to get carried away with the pass, and will keep on passing even if there is a sizeable lead. This aggression is good, and a welcome relief to the extreme conservatism of Shurmer, however it will be important to not put undue pressure on our D through potential turnovers throwing the ball, or 3 and outs from a lack of success. This seems like a topic that will be heralded if we win, and chastised should we lose.
A strong relationship between him and Spags should keep this aspect of his playcalling in check. Spags will need to be firm and strong as an HC, like Belicheck.
With regards to playcalling and the game plan, it was stated that it would be key for Spags and McDaniels to create a strong relationship. McD would then devise a gameplan, propose it to Spags, and Spags will yay it or nay it. Spags would also use his defensive expertise to correct elements of the gameplan. The first half of the season should be centrally controlled (Spags as overseer) and if this works, McDaniels demonstrating to Spags that he is competent enough, will lead to more freedom to McD throughout the season.
Personality.
McDaniels' is often seen as too young to be respected. Hopefully he will be humbled by the Denver experience and come in as a more approachable and modest OC.
A lot of McDaniels' success for us will revolve around how well he can gel with Spags. If they butt heads, McDaniels will be shown the door. This is something that I drew a lot of attention to in my previous post Josh McDaniels: Good or Bad? and is something entirely beyond our control or vision. We can theorise and have our own opinions, but that is all. We'll find out in the upcoming season, if we have one.
Josh McDaniels, MIC'ed up! (via bhuisken)
Overall.
The consensus is that McDaniels was an OK to good OC for New England. He did very well working within a successful structure with elite players. He did well bringing the best out of some players, but not everyone. Players like Lloyd, Gaffney, Cassell and Stallworth all had good seasons under his OC-ship, mainly due to him identifiying their strengths and playing to them. This shows a good eye for using of talent, which bodes well for us. We have a lot of very talented young guys, and hopefully McD will identify their skills and bring the best out of them.
An example was provided of how McD played to strengths. This example was Cassell. Despite 6 RBs being injured that season, McD placed emphasis on the run game to remove the pressure from Cassell, the Pats then ran for 2200 yards. This is a good sign, as hopefully, should Bradford struggle, SJax and the run game will be able to relieve him. On a side note. Has anyone noticed the issue McD has had with injuries to RB corps throughout his career?
Pats fans were uncertain whether McD's success was because of the players he had, or his coaching, but he has proven to be capable with the correct players, his success in STL being dependant on what our FO can do for him.
Being an OC only, his role in the acquisition of players should be minimal. He will have a slight say on who or what he would like, but the final call rests with Spags and Devaney. This means McD's requirements will have to mould to the requirements of Spags and Billy, namely the 4 Pillars.
My opinion.
I feel that McDaniels is exactly what I thought he was, and I will maintain the hopeful stance that he is a success. The doubts regarding his character for me remain an issue, and my fears stem from a fear that Spags doesn't have the influence and power that Belicheck has. I hope he defines some ground rules and does not give McDaniels too much power early purely due to his contract size and reputation (having been a HC).
Any thoughts or questions?
I have asked the Patriots fans to check this post and comment, so hopefully we will have a more in depth explanation and discussion in the comments.
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I put no because I don't want Spags to control him
I want McDaniels to be able to call the plays he wants
"And a boring game for boring people. Did you ever watch golf on television? It's like watching flies FUCK. Think of the intellect it must take to draw pleasure from this activity: hitting a ball with a crooked stick and then WALKING AFTER IT" -George Carlin
That McDaniels video is awesome
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Sam Bradford
Yes it is lol.
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Cameron Heyward-Future 3-4 RDE for the New England Patriots
Jets org and fans-bunch of trash talking & snitching inbreds trollops!
"If Clayton is #1 Amendola #2 in the slot and Gibson is #3"
Are we axing Avery?
by HomerForTheRams on Feb 16, 2011 5:38 PM CST reply actions
You really need to get over the character issues
Hell everybody has character issues it’s just some handle it better then others.
That video of him with his “character issues” is just him gettin in a players face who f’d up and his fustration over a play call.
I bet you Mic up ANY head coach in the league including spags and they do the same thing, it’s not good to bottle that shit up. PLUS your still forgetting he won’t be in any real contact with the players just call plays, lighten up.
the video was for comic effect
i don’t doubt every coach curses like a MF’er on the sideline.
my issue with his character was only briefly mentioned.
He will have plenty of contact with every single offensive player, so you can’t brush it off by saying he won’t be in contact. That’s straight up wrong.
Bradford to Onobun!
Good job. recd.
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I voted no
because I think Spags is too soft with his players. I hope it’s not the same with his coaches.
Gahhh I want football alreadyyyyy.
I bet Sarah Palin can learn a playbook faster than Mardy Gilyard.
a very good piece imo
infemous, you should bring up this post again next offseason just to compare how well you, and most ram fans “scout” McDaniels, OR hopefully breathe a sigh of relief that he took our offense into the new age NFL.
And I voted yes because i believed that last year Spags’ belief in field goals and holding up on defense was absolutely clear-cut and dry. Ex: the many Darby or Sjax draw plays from FG range 3rd and long, and also you can see the confusion during important parts of the game like 2 minute warnings on offense and I just get this vibe that Shurmur is saying go for the touchdown but Spags would rather not risk losing a small lead to a pick six; thus opting for the safer route aka home crowd noise and a feisty bunch of defensive players trying to make a name for themselves.
TST readers might think im crazy for typing this, but i remember seeing a 2009 Rams training camp clip of Spags mic’d up and telling Bulger and the offense that “this group is made to kick field goals” or something close to that. If your a Ram fanatic like me and love to watch anything that wears the blue and gold horns, The video starts off with Spags talking about the cloudy weather and it also has Spags talking to atogwe. if someone else can confirm plz post the vid!
thank you
i like that idea, it’d be nice to gage perspective, see what he did that was outlined by history and what he did new etc.
I think the issue is, is Shurmer was pretty much a nobody and could be bossed around. McD is a former HC, mega paid, ex Patriot super Co-Ordinator. Will he have the same power over McD that he had over Shurmer? That’s a question.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtERZ4QTtUM
he says, “this crew is gonna kick winning field goals”
I don’t know what to make of that tbh lol
Bradford to Onobun!
This is not New England
Though, I don’t feel that particular system needed to control McD. Sure, it seemed once he was free from Bellichek, he took Daddy’s shiny car (the Broncos) out and wrecked it a la Ferris Bueller style, but the job responsibilities of an Offensive Coordinator are entirely different.
Most people believed it was Spags’ control that kept shurmur from opening the playbook, so a little more vocal leadership on that side of the ball can’t hurt. Devaney is still a strong personnel man and will provide another level of control beyond coaching for those who are worried from a personnel standpoint.
I’m pretty excited to see this group with another year together. It’s a shame that I’m more excited about this upcoming season than I have been for 4-5 years and the threat of no football looms heavy.
I understand that, and I hope that McD’s innately more aggressive style will pay dividends, and be allowed to come through from underneath Spags’ control, but there is no way I want to see McD go for it on 4th down, when we’re down 9 with 5 mins left. absolutely no way.
It’s all conjecture right now, but it’s interesting to hypothesize about this stuff.
I am a huge Spags’ supporter, but this hiring of McD I am fearing may challenge this, because of McD’s apparent divisive qualities.
Bradford to Onobun!
4th down, down by two scores, 5 min left, and you don't want to go for it?
You must have one hell of a defense, to be able to call pick-6es when you need them most…
"Perhaps it was the Noid who should have avoided me." Mayor Adam West
by insertscreenname on Feb 23, 2011 9:30 AM CST up reply actions
you'd need a d to stop them regardless so why commit to a loss if you fail with 5 mins left?
theres still hope.
if you fail on 4th down it’s game over. might as well trust your d to put your o in a position to win the game.
Bradford to Onobun!
I hope Josh McDaniels can be a huge shot in the arm for our anemic offense
If practice makes perfect....
Yet nobodies perfect.....
Then why practice ???
definitely
the question is, how?
There are some things that look good, others that don’t.
The fact the Pats fans said he is “OK” or “Average to good” is not too promising.
I hope we don’t refer to him as an offensive genius when by accounts from the know, he is far from one.
Bradford to Onobun!
He is a smart offensive guy (I wouldn't say genius).
But his style tends to forget certain aspects of the offense, and get caught up with others. Running the ball and throwing to the TEs were his problems in NE. Maybe that was personnel-based (Brady + Moss >>>>>>>> Watson + Maroney), because Denver also had no running game, but his time with Kyle Orton showed that he can get an average QB to put up huge numbers with an average surrounding cast (let Lloyd do it again, and I’ll upgrade him).
Since the Rams actually do have a good back, I’d expect McD to utilise him in the offense more than he has other RBs.
He did coordinate the greatest offense in NFL history, and then rewrote it on the fly for a completely different and half-as-good QB. I’d trust him to get good performances out of my QB, even if passing it on 3rd-and-1 is not your cup of tea.
"Perhaps it was the Noid who should have avoided me." Mayor Adam West
by insertscreenname on Feb 23, 2011 9:42 AM CST up reply actions
I would question you comment about "the greatest offense in NFL history".
The Patriots had one big year, the Greatest Show on Turf did it for three straight years. GSOT still hold records that probably won’t be broken for a long time.
Ok, I really want to get Kevin Faulk now
that dude is really underrated and seems like the perfect compliment to Jackson
"And a boring game for boring people. Did you ever watch golf on television? It's like watching flies FUCK. Think of the intellect it must take to draw pleasure from this activity: hitting a ball with a crooked stick and then WALKING AFTER IT" -George Carlin
Pity he's 34,
About to retire, and I can’t see playing anywhere other than Foxboro. Plus he’ll walk into a coaching job in NE.
"Perhaps it was the Noid who should have avoided me." Mayor Adam West
by insertscreenname on Feb 19, 2011 8:35 AM CST up reply actions
lmao
yeah when watching that I was like “damn!”
anyone else out there with his skillset?
3k? lol
Bradford to Onobun!
for the up coming rookies...
prob Brandon Saine from Ohio State. Early in the season, I wanted him drafted by the Pats as a eventual replacement for Kevin Faulk but then Faulk went down and we discovered Danny Woodhead.
Saine has great speed (Still holds Mr Ohio 100 meter title), good hands and a decent runner. He ain’t a 1st/2nd down back but I see him having a Kevin Faulk type role in the nfl.
@ OSU, he was often used as the passing RB, and sometimes as the 3rd/4th WR on the field.
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Cameron Heyward-Future 3-4 RDE for the New England Patriots
Jets org and fans-bunch of trash talking & snitching inbreds trollops!
im also a buckeye fan
and I’m not so sure saine can work out in the NFL, he’s not as shifty as faulk
I'm the world's best armchair GM
That is true.
One of the knocks on him @ OSU was that he was a straight line speedster but couldn’t be shitty if another hole opened up .He ran better under the I formation w. a fullback but when he ran under the Ace formation….boy he kinda sucked.
I hope some team takes a chance on him.
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Cameron Heyward-Future 3-4 RDE for the New England Patriots
Jets org and fans-bunch of trash talking & snitching inbreds trollops!
I should probably have asked this
but seeing as we are all draft nuts right now, who do you all see as being players available in FA and the draft that fit the requirements McDaniels has?
Devaney may control the draft, but he’s drafting for an entirely different offensive system, so how may this impact upon our strategy?
Bradford to Onobun!
He had Gaffeny and Brandon Lloyd look good. He made Rechell Caldwell aka Bug Eyed Idiot- a decent WR for 2 years. I think what he looks in a WR is
a) good-great route running. (Moss never/ hardly ran inside routes untill he came to NE).
b) good hands.
c) run all the routes.
Also, I think he will prob ask Spag for a blocking TE.
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Cameron Heyward-Future 3-4 RDE for the New England Patriots
Jets org and fans-bunch of trash talking & snitching inbreds trollops!
so which prospects in the upcoming fulfill that criteria?
good hands kinda knocks Julio out of the race doesn’t it?
and we have Billy Bajema who is a blocking specialist TE, and Oh-Oh is a great receiver (soft hands like damn) but he has the frame of a blocker and is a solid blocker.
Bradford to Onobun!
Last year I would have known more info but this year, I've been looking for some 3-4 DE's and 3-4OLB's.
The ones I’ve seen and been impressed are Dane Sanchezbacker (sp?) from Ohio State and Jeff Mahl (sp?) from Oregon.
Dane, to me, looks like a mix of Wes Welker and Brandon Stokley but w. better speed. He has great hands and imo was a better WR at OSU than Brian Hartline was (who btw did well this year for the Dolphins).
Mahl is more like a Wes Welker. Shitty as ****, great hands but kinda slow.
Do not know if you guys have a WR to take the top of the defense to allow guys like Dane and Mahl to run underneath.
Non Sibi Sed Patriae ;I bleed Scarlet and Grey...A Buckeye for Life
Cameron Heyward-Future 3-4 RDE for the New England Patriots
Jets org and fans-bunch of trash talking & snitching inbreds trollops!
we have a slot guy in Amendola already
we just lack that #1 guy to take the top off, although there are questions surrounding whether Avery can do that.
in a McD offense is the top off #1 important?
Bradford to Onobun!
if we cant get jones i want baldwin in the second
he has phenomenal hands
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Well
I think so. Our current Pats O system is quite different from the McD system.
McD’s system stretches the field vertically; thus requiring a deep threat.
Our current O System is more based on horizontally stretching the field w. TE’s and WR’s. Therefore you really do not need a WR to take the top of the defense. Works well against most nfl defenses.
Non Sibi Sed Patriae ;I bleed Scarlet and Grey...A Buckeye for Life
Cameron Heyward-Future 3-4 RDE for the New England Patriots
Jets org and fans-bunch of trash talking & snitching inbreds trollops!
Could still get a WR in the 2nd round and still get Dane in the 4th round
Non Sibi Sed Patriae ;I bleed Scarlet and Grey...A Buckeye for Life
Cameron Heyward-Future 3-4 RDE for the New England Patriots
Jets org and fans-bunch of trash talking & snitching inbreds trollops!
Jackson really turned up his blocking game this year
Jackson is our best blocking back… Darby was in on 3rd downs to spell Jackson..why waste his energy blocking on 3rd and longs when we had a sufficient blocker in Darby…Jackson quietly goes on about his business and is still the face of the Rams IMO.
Richter
I usually agree with you man, but Jackson still sucks at blocking. They say that the game slows down for great players- well, it looks like everyone else in fast motion compared Steve when he tries to block. Darby is far superior.
I still can’t figure out why Steven can’t learn to block, but he just can’t do it. Wish it weren’t true
Remember the great 2004 and 2005 Rams teams...
by Marmie is the best on Feb 21, 2011 6:05 PM CST up reply actions

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