2012 NFL Mock Draft: Looking Beyond The First Round
by Ryan Van Bibber on Dec 6, 2011 4:59 PM CST
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PrintWe've been here before. Discussing the NFL Draft rather than the last month of the St. Louis Rams season. In fact, this is the fourth season in the six years since TST hung out its shingle that we've started talking about the draft in early December. Even though the first-round is relatively static at this point, I thought it was worth taking a look at this 2012 NFL Mock Draft because of what it says about the Rams second-round pick.
Today's mock comes courtesy of our friends over at NE PatriotsDraft.com. In the first round, they have the Rams picking third (they pick second for now) and going with LSU cornerback Morris Claiborne. If they had the Rams in the second spot, I'd have to think they'd give them USC tackle Matt Kalil.
The second round looks a little more interesting, at least in terms of discussion this far out from the Draft.
And who's the pick? Jump it.
Dwight Jones, WR, North Carolina
And just who is Dwight Jones? At 6'4" 225 lbs he looks the part of a number one receiver in the NFL. Jones is sort of a better, more well-rounded version of Danario Alexander, without the five knee surgeries.
The biggest knock on Jones is his tendency to catch the ball with his body rather than his hands. He also lacks the pure speed, which would surely push his draft stock a little higher.
Here's his profile from Mocking the Draft, some high points:
• Plays up to his size, which makes him a mismatch against undersized cornerbacks.
• Shows a decent burst to get off the line of scrimmage. Struggles at times to get off the line when he's jammed. Needs to learn better disengage techniques.
• Developing as a route runner. Isn't asked to run complex routes that frequently and tends to round off his cuts.
• Definitely a high-point catching wide receiver. Really attacks the ball in the air.
Here are some highlights from his scouting report over at NEPatriotsDraft.
Positives: Great size...NFL ready body...Gets off the line very well...Effective after the catch using his size and strength to over power smaller defenders...very physical route runner, he is no afraid to battle down the field or at the line...Uses his size well to shield defenders from the ball...Has surprising acceleration out of his stance for a WR his size...Tracks the ball exceptionally well down the field and really knows how to high point it...Sells his route fakes well often getting the DB to commit to the fake before he breaks out of it.
Negatives: Body catcher more than a hands catcher...Allows too many balls to get into his body as opposed to snatching them with his hands...Doesn't have the deep speed to burn the faster CB's...
And finally, how about some video on Jones, courtesy of friend of TST, Aaron Aloysius.
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no one cares about the draft
if you want to talk about college football go onto another blog. troll.
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¿Que?
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by Joe Mazzi on Dec 6, 2011 5:17 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I was just messing with van
there have been a few people who have said similar things on posts like this, or the open threads that 3k does. I love the draft as much as or more than everyone here.
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Haha I know you do. Thus, my confusion.
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but seriously
I would love Jones, but I’m not sure he would be the best player available at the top of the second
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i agree
Never ever, take a wide receiver this high who catches with his body. See Braylon Edwards first four seasons.
by fearsomefoursum on Dec 6, 2011 9:29 PM CST up reply actions
as long as its in the second round...
then again i wouldnt even consider a wr till the 3rd imo. the rams priority is to shore up that 0-line. ive been saying that for weeks already. no use getting a wr in the 1st , because sam cant throw a pass off his back. how many times did he get sacked again this yr?
kaili or bust in the first, then a CB, or , DT, in the 2nd round. the rams dont even know if the offensive line is going to remain intact. everybody, including me, wants jason smith released, jason brown might be gone as well. and we all know the rams sure arent going to shore up the 0-line through free agency. too much money again would be tied up on the line.
soo in the 2nd, i would pick a cornerback, or defensive tackle. or even a OLB, forgot about that one.
Im pretty sure your opinion doesn’t matter to who ever is in charge of drafting this year..haha
by J.E.T.music on Dec 6, 2011 6:22 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
does it ever matter? lol
if devaneys at the helm again…were screwed!
by Mark Jaramillo on Dec 7, 2011 9:20 AM CST up reply actions
in the second
We should obviously take the best available player we need….and I was thinking Burfict or however you spell if. And Travis Lewis isn’t good against the run, my proof? OU vs. OSU….he struggled and I’m a sooner fan but….he just has had a tough year against the run
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by RAMSALLTHEWAY on Dec 6, 2011 5:24 PM CST via mobile reply actions
ikr
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by RAMSALLTHEWAY on Dec 6, 2011 6:07 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Ummmm, if Jones is a
body catcher I want nothing to do with him at the NFL level. In this draft class there are plenty of other options. Besides, if we do select Kalil in Round One I am thinking either a CB like Minnifield or one of the many DT’s available. There should be plenty of WR’s to pick from in Round 3.
RAMSALLTHEWAY raises a good point about Travis Lewis which begs a question to RG31. If I am not mistaken, Travis Lewis was mocked as a mid-1rst rounder six months ago and an early 2nd rounder a couple of months ago. Now I am seeing him slide into the 3rd round on most mock drafts. Seems to me that his stock has really fallen. RG31 – you have encouraged the Rams to draft him quite a bit. Are you still bullish on him?
Here's how it works with Travis
He enters each season as the top lb available over the last two years. He has not gone to a stud level like Von Miller or like Zach Brown, so he falls to the 2nd. Then, he had a toe injury which he has played through instead of healing up this year which has effected his play and dropped him into the third. He is a monster against the run and I would love to have him
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 6, 2011 7:11 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Here's how it works with Travis
He enters each season as the top lb available over the last two years. He has not gone to a stud level like Von Miller or like Zach Brown, so he falls to the 2nd. Then, he had a toe injury which he has played through instead of healing up this year which has effected his play and dropped him into the third. He is a monster against the run and I would love to have him
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 6, 2011 7:12 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
then what happened at OSU
He couldnt shed blocks when they got to him, the reason he looks so Good is because the Big 12 isn’t a running conference….Which raises my eyebrow….future bust in my opinion.
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by RAMSALLTHEWAY on Dec 6, 2011 7:23 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Every player is entitled to a bad game
And I think that the coaches boched that game, told the players “let them run if they want, just keep Blackmon under control”. He never will be any Suggs or Lewis or anything like that, but I think he can be a perfectly good above average starter at LB. Now if we switch to the 3-4…. Give ms Ronnel to go with Quinn at Rush LB spots.
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 6, 2011 7:28 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Haha....But Ronnel has a bad knee
We don’t want another DX
But I saw it constantly…..I’m just saying, there’s a lot better prospects than him….(coming from an OU fan)
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by RAMSALLTHEWAY on Dec 6, 2011 7:38 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
In the 3rd, I'd take Travis if he's there
Who I really wish we could have is a non injury prone Tom Wort
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 6, 2011 7:41 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Well, back there
I was talking about the 2nd round, and taking him there
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by RAMSALLTHEWAY on Dec 6, 2011 7:50 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Lewis never looked right this year.
I think hr came back too soon and never let his foot heal. My guess is his combine numbers will move him back to the second if not first. Dude is fast when healthy.
I like this senario but can we talk about a coach more?
He would do a upgrade over bg. We need another top flight corner with return capabilities. Watch Peterson for a example. We took a big hit on the oline but I think the later rounds can provide help there.
by Lenoirrams on Dec 6, 2011 6:36 PM CST via mobile reply actions
When do we draft LeMichael James?
Holes all over this roster but the offense needs to improve immediately.
I say 3rd or 4th round
Yes that 3 rounds straight of offense but we need it bad..
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by RG31 on Dec 6, 2011 7:13 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
No doubt about it
I’d say 2 O-line in the first 3. We got a killer RB a great WR and a high potential QB and none of these weapons will be turned loose until we fix the interior.
Wolf. Wolfgang Wolf
I don't know if I see it in Lamichael
He doesn’t play like Sproles (who everyone compares him too). I could be wrong, but I think he thinks he can be like CJ28, and won’t adjust to having to be the Sproles style guy
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 6, 2011 7:16 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Any particular reason?
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by RG31 on Dec 6, 2011 7:42 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
20 bucks says it's cause he's too small and slender
Not gonna take hits well at the next level
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 6, 2011 7:44 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
IMO he wasn't even the best RB on his t3eam
Wait till you get a load of Kenyon Barner next year, and D-Thom as well.
Wolf. Wolfgang Wolf
Yeah
Deanthony Thomas is flat out amazing
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 6, 2011 7:54 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Both incredible talents
Got to see them up close at the stanford game this year.
I wonder how bad James’ arm is.
He's a trooper
It’ll get the normal scrutiny during the combine if he declares. I think it’s a deal breaker. He can still handle it in college but the trenches in the NFL? And those safeties and OLBs hammering away at your arms before you go down? It’s an issue.
Wolf. Wolfgang Wolf
Yeahhe's bulked up a bit but
He’s still not big enough to withstand NFL punishment between the tackles. His ability to get outside is dependant on his Quarterbacks ability to get him the ball after he’s already gotten out there. NFL defenses will key on him if he carries the ball out of the backfield. He works best in one-on-one. He’ll get swallowed up in a pack like any average back. I just think we need either one or the other; bulk or raw speed and moves James provides a little of both but not enough of either.
Wolf. Wolfgang Wolf
Reason I wanted Demarco=
He’s the size of Adrian Peterson but faster
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 6, 2011 7:47 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I liked him too
And to think Vereen, Leshour, and even Daniel Thomas went before him. He was gone by our 3rd pick though and I wouldn’t have taken him at # 47 still to this day.
Wolf. Wolfgang Wolf
Based on how Kendricks has played, and how we could get a good couple picks for SJax if we move him
I wouldda taken Demarco in the 2nd
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 6, 2011 7:55 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah, yeah
hindsight and all. Suffice it to say Kendricks wasn’t exactly on my radar either. The SJax picks were available in 2009 or 2010 maybe but that train had left the station by last draft.
Wolf. Wolfgang Wolf
I woulda taken Demarco in the 2nd back in April before we knew how good he'd be
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 6, 2011 8:24 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
James is nowhere as thick as
Sproles or the kings of short thick players R. Rice and MJD.
That's the other thing I was gonna say
He doesn’t have the bulk for the hits IMO. The bulk is why those guy can do it.
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 6, 2011 7:19 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Hold up one sec
One of these says he’s a high point catcher, the other says he’s a body catcher, which is it?
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 6, 2011 7:18 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Depends on the tape you watch, I guess
I’d argue the former. I’m not as sold on his ability off the line. But most of the scouting points are in line with what I’ve seen from Jones in five games this year.
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by 3k on Dec 6, 2011 7:22 PM CST up reply actions
I like Jones as the best #1 style receiver after Blackmon and Jefferey
He has a boat load of talent (he seems like he’s got plenty of speed to me). If he’s doing this off pure talent, I’d love to see him with all the fundamentals and details down
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 6, 2011 7:25 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
well, I'd say he's very limited in that role
Much better suited to a short/intermediate possession game. When I think of a true “#1” I think of someone who can work downfield as well, like Andre/Calvin Johnson. Dwight won’t be able to do that in the NFL.
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by 3k on Dec 6, 2011 7:27 PM CST up reply actions
Well.... No one is one of the Johnson's except the Johnson's
I still don’t want any receiver but Blackmon if we take a WR. I think his heart, work ethic, and how he is a high level player in every category for WR could lead to him being an all time great. At the least, I see him as a great #1 for years. Even without the OSU system, he would be putting up amazing numbers
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 6, 2011 7:31 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah, see I disagree with you
I think the holes in his game are going to be exposed quickly at the NFL level. It’s one of those misperceptions that his statistical dominance (or as you said, “a high level player in every category for WR”) means he’ll be able to reproduce those numbers in the NFL.
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by 3k on Dec 6, 2011 7:32 PM CST up reply actions
He can get deep, and work the short and internediate game
As well as turn up field with a slant for YAC. He does it all. I know the hole you are receding to is his route running. Same thing people say about Broyles. I wonder if maybe with how fast these offenses at OU and OSU that they just round off the routes cause they are exhausted/trying to conserve energy
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 6, 2011 7:36 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
*referring, not receding
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 6, 2011 7:37 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
It would be interesting to see you do a post about some of the holes you
See, and why we should pass on him if given the chance..
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by RG31 on Dec 6, 2011 7:48 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
yes!
Name players to avoid, sleepers and predictions..and do it right before the draft….so are you?
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by RAMSALLTHEWAY on Dec 6, 2011 7:56 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Here's the plan: draft Kalil
And trade the rest of our picks to the Vikes for Blackmon. That will fix everything! #irrationalfanideathatsoundsstupidtoeveryone
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 6, 2011 7:58 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Dude I was going to make a post about an irrational trade the rams could make
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by RG31 on Dec 6, 2011 8:00 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
of course
plenty of draft coverage to come in the months ahead, both here and at MTD.
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by 3k on Dec 6, 2011 8:50 PM CST up reply actions
James is the offensive version of
Kuechly IMO. Great college players but will have to get stronger and add thickness without losing speed to make an impact in the NFL.
Couldn't disagree more
both on the comparison and the assessment of Kuechly. He’s a RIDICULOUSLY instinctive 4-3 MLB. His ball skills are a 10 out of 10.
As for James, no he doesn’t have an everydown frame like Steven Jackson. But those kind of RBs are less necessary in the NFL. He’ll have to show greater screen skills than Oregon calls for, but if he offers an option out of the backfield to add to his ground game, I don’t know why he wouldn’t have a long career.
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by 3k on Dec 6, 2011 7:31 PM CST up reply actions
He has plenty of talent
But needs bulk. Look at Sproles, Rice, and MJD type guys. They are bulky guys. Not slender. It’s like these 6’8" PF’s in the NBA, it’s the wing span and broad body (not height) that matters. For these small rbs, it’s the bulk and muscle (not size).
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 6, 2011 7:33 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
two things
you can’t lump Sproles in with Ray Rice and MJD.
Sproles=5.25 carries/game
Rice=17.33 carries/game
MJD=20.83 carries/game
Second, I’m not suggesting LaMichael James be used like either. James is bigger than Warrick Dunn was coming out of college. He needs to be used like Jahvid Best or, to a degree, like Dexter McCluster. Lighter workload than a 3-down back, sure. But with a focus to get him the ball with space to find lanes
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by 3k on Dec 6, 2011 8:56 PM CST up reply actions
I also remember Dunn being bulkier than James
Its the bulk that James doesn’t have
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 6, 2011 9:25 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Really? You would take him over
Floyd assuming there are no more off field troubles? I have heard some who like Floyd more than the dropping Jeffrey.
Jeffery is dropping fast!
If he doesn’t have a good combine…he might go in the second or third!
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by RAMSALLTHEWAY on Dec 6, 2011 7:31 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I couldn't agree more about Kuechly's
“off the charts” instincts but he sure appears light to me taking on 310 pounders who can move at the NFL level. I have to think if he had more thickness he would go quite high in the 1rst round.
Perhaps the Lewis LB's are both playing
hurt this year which is affecting their play. I saw the 1rst half of the Kansas State game and was underwhelmed. Sorry to have missed the 2nd half which OU dominated and likely Travis and Ronnel played better.
I would say Ronnell will be the better of the 2
He should stay another year. He needs to refine his game, but he’s gonna just go get drafted off talent this year.
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 6, 2011 7:49 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I do agree KSR that Blackmon is
definately the guy to draft if you select a Top 10 WR.
I'm an OU fan, who has lived through a 5-6 yr period of;
Sam, AD, Ryan, Murray, etc. And I can’t deny, while I love Sam (no homo) in a non healthy fashion, I just have a thing (again, no homo) for Blackmon. He is a great person, has an amazing work ethic, loves the game, and is an extremely respectable and likeable guy. Did you see the segment on him and the kid with cancer? It was amazing
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 6, 2011 7:53 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Is this Billy Devany in disguise
I rather, IMO, have Sanu.
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by RAMSALLTHEWAY on Dec 6, 2011 7:57 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
No
Cause Devaney would take the hood guy without talent. I want the good guy with an ass load of talent
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 6, 2011 8:08 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I did not see it sorry to say. I started following
him last year and thought he was a stud then. Was shocked that he stayed for another season at OSU but I am glad he did. He is what I describe as “angry for the ball” which you just can’t teach in wide receivers. A bigger version of Andre Rison.
But he's 6"1 and ive seen him drop so many passes sometimes
It’s like Andrew Luck, they fall in love with a player and they don’t say there mistakes…..Andrew Luck has a tendency to overthrow players but they don’t say anything. Blackmon drops passes but they don’t say anything
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by RAMSALLTHEWAY on Dec 6, 2011 8:03 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
You're looking for flaws
He doesn’t have a body catching issue and I haven’t seen him drop a pass recently. He also makes catches no one else in college can make. He has a better catch radius.
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 6, 2011 8:05 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Also, he can catch a ball higher in the air than Plax can
And Plax has 4 inches on him. Julio is 6’2", and we all wanted him. TO was 6’1"
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 6, 2011 8:07 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
He's got something you can't teach
A want to be great and unrivalable. Heres what people once said of the difference between Jerry Rice and all the other great receivers. Other great WR’s (even the Johnson and Fitz type guys) want to be the best they can be and all that max out their talent as best they can. Rice wanted to make sure there would never be any question he was the greatest ever and if he didnt have the ability to be the greatest ever, then he worked till he overcame it and got the talent needed. I see that in Blackmon. He wants greatness (being a low rated prospect) in a special way. He wants to prove he’s better than you, not just be as good as he can be.
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 6, 2011 8:03 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
D-Thom from Crenshaw High huh?
The last minute de-commit from USC!
LeMicheal James seems like he could be a steal.
He reminds a little bit of Demarco Murry, by the fact that he is really fast but people have doubts, speed kills and I think hes got all the intangibles and after a couple of workouts with SJax i don’t think bulk will be too much of a problem. Also Receivers drafted high the last couple of years have been safe bets and i don’t think it will be any different with Blackmon, there haven’t been any busts with receivers in the top ten for a few years now and Blackmon has the work ethic and talent to succeed.
L James is not Demarco
Demarco is the whole package, size speed and strength
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 6, 2011 8:06 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Demarco Murray only had injury issuee
LaMike has injury issues and bulk issues.. he cant run inbetween the tackles….he’s a player that’s good, because of the system…put in Barner and he does just as good.. so no
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by RAMSALLTHEWAY on Dec 6, 2011 8:07 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Im not saying there the same
Im just saying that demarco was overlooked and ended up being quite a steal. Last year when Oregan was number one LeMicheal was probably the best running back in college football, that’s no accident, just saying.
he was not
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by RAMSALLTHEWAY on Dec 6, 2011 8:09 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
he was third in the Heisman race
behind cam newton and Andrew Luck.
Hoo hoo
He was 3rd in a popularity contest
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 6, 2011 8:18 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
The Heisman may be a popularity contest
But you have to be pretty damn good to even be a finalist, and im not saying he will be the best running back coming out of this draft, im just saying he would fit our needs and could be a steal for us. and he was ridiculous in 2010.
I dont doubt his talent
I doubt him being able to take hits in the NFL
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 6, 2011 8:23 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
But every player entering the NFL has doubts
and i dont see him bulking up as something that cant be fixed.
He isn't broad shouldered
He’s always gonna be slim from that perspective
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 6, 2011 8:30 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
He's also injured both elbows this year
One of them was as serious as Amendolas injury, at least it looked that way. James has a long road to haul to be successful in the NFL. Not saying he can’t do it. Just saying we can’t take that risk.
Wolf. Wolfgang Wolf
exactly
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by RAMSALLTHEWAY on Dec 6, 2011 8:22 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
But Demarco was not valued cause of injury
If you remember the combine measurements and all, some said Demarco was the best overall specimen by far.
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 6, 2011 8:10 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
he was not
The guy from K-State that’s with Pitt right now…Richardson who was a backup was better than him….Heck! Right now, ALL of the LSU running backs are better than him….Black Manna is better than him AND so is whaley
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by RAMSALLTHEWAY on Dec 6, 2011 8:12 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Ummm, although there is no question the skill of
the Falcons Julio Jones he is getting a tag as being injury prone and just dropped a game winning touchdown pass on Sunday. He certainly has yet to justify the kings ransom that the Falcons paid for him thus far. He could break out big in year two though.
But his height ain't the reason he has had issues
That’s all I was saying. When he has played, he’s been really good
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 6, 2011 8:11 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Demarco should have been a Ram!
He went to Bishop Gorman High in Las Vegas and would have made a nice successor to our favorite NFL player from LV!
He's also just like SJax in a lot of ways
He is big and monstrous with speed and blocks and catches. Woulda been the 3rd straight all around RB for the Rams. Faulk, to SJax, to Murray.
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 6, 2011 8:14 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
still better than LaMike
It’s true, IMO.
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by RAMSALLTHEWAY on Dec 6, 2011 8:15 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Ugh, I can't stand when people take other people's nicknames
Why you gotta copy Kobe?
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 6, 2011 8:15 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Snoop Dog gave him that nickname.....
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by RAMSALLTHEWAY on Dec 6, 2011 8:19 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Still, just in general
Can’t we give everyone their own nickname?
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 6, 2011 8:22 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Montee Ball from Wisconsin is
flying up draft boards. I wonder if he will get any love in TST. I suspect he will declare.
i thought he was a sophomore
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by RAMSALLTHEWAY on Dec 6, 2011 8:25 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Hmm....
I like him, where’s he projecting?
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 6, 2011 8:25 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
He's a little smaller than Richardson
Alittle slower as well. Dan has him at 9th best RB. CBS has him at #96 overall. If he speeds up at the combine I could see him go on day 2 but he should probably stay in school for another year. No way is he a first rounder.
Wolf. Wolfgang Wolf
Him or Lamar Miller?
Who would you take? From I have seen of Ball…. He just balls out there
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 6, 2011 8:34 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Millers faster by a good margin
For that reason I’d take him, but not before the 3rd preferably the 4th. But thats just me.
Wolf. Wolfgang Wolf
quickly becoming the most overrated player in draft talk
you could put 90% of RBs behind that line and they’d look awesome
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by 3k on Dec 6, 2011 9:00 PM CST up reply actions
No, he is a Junior.
I saw for the first time today that some feel he has entered the bottom of the 1rst round conversation.
CBS Sports if they are to be
believed were quoted today stating he was definately filing for the draft.
I havent watched a lot of tape on Ball
I know he is on the smaller side but runs big. He’s got the bulk and broad shoulders to take the hits. Is he a possible 4.3 or 4.4 guy you think? What’s the breakdown on Ball?
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 6, 2011 8:32 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
He benefits from an O-line that will be as good as any he will have in the NFL.
And he needs his degree. I hope he stays in school. RBs need their education.
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He's filed paperwork to the NFL draft advisory committee.
A very standard first step that virtually means nothing any more.
Wolf. Wolfgang Wolf
Can't go wrong with 39 touchdowns
in 13 games!
What impresses me so much about Ball
along with the O-Line of Wisconsin is how they pounded on some damn good nose tackles in the conference. Big Worthy got his on Saturday and Devon Still who 3K and many draft mockers love got beaten up as well. This draft will be unique in that you have a center (Kuetz?) from Wisconsin and the guy I have been hyping all year David DeCastro a Guard who people just love. Watching tape on those guys has to be easy on the eyes.
Oregon will be favored in the Rose Bowl but I assure you that their D-Line is not going to be loving life during the Rose Bowl.
DeCastros from Stanford
Konz and Zeitler are the interior maulers for the Badgers
Wolf. Wolfgang Wolf
get him now
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by RAMSALLTHEWAY on Dec 6, 2011 8:53 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
what do you think about the cliff Harris situation?
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by Josh Wehrle on Dec 6, 2011 8:53 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
no
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by RAMSALLTHEWAY on Dec 6, 2011 8:55 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Harris; Off Field Situations
Aside, Is a playmaker in the secondary and special teams.
I think he needs to find his way back into another preogram
He’s too immature to be expected to handle the pressures of professional sports. He’s a huge talent that could benefit from another year in college anyway. Even if he doesn’t play football, he needs to get his degree. He’s a bad story just waiting to happen. Hopefully he gets the guidance he needs to make the right choices this next year. I’d stay the hell away from him in the draft this year if he declares, and I really like Cliff Harris.
Wolf. Wolfgang Wolf
That's A Shame
I saw his ability last year and was blown away with his talent. In rounds 3-4 I would take a chance on that talent. Managing difficult personalities is something that a professional team should be capable of. The Ravens, Steelers and Packers seem to do well in this dept. Being risk adverse can leave a team far behind the pack.
I disagree
If you can’t expect a team to take a players physical well-being seriously, and the debates still hot on that one. Expecting a team to take a players mental stability would have to be a bigger stretch. Maybe some teams think they can handle a problem child if placed in the right system under the right coaches and along side the right players, but no matter what, that problem child takes away from the efforts of others. The growing pains would prop up, and we just need to make better use of our higher value picks.
If we didn’t have so many needs, I still would hesitate. Ultimately the ability of a draftee to work out is dependant on his own ability to hold himself accountable and do the right things. Cliff has demonstrated he isn’t ready to do that yet. His last bust was 10 days ago, a pot possession bust while obviously in everyones probation program, including CKs’, the UOs’ the State of Oregons’ and Lane County. Shit o dear do you want a player who’s that oblivious to his own mortality on our team? Believe me I love the talent level, I think he’s the best ever to come out of Oregon and possibly a Deion Sanders clone, but damn.
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I Think The Key Word Is Manage
Jimmy Smith the CB from The Ravens. Prior to last years draft; his stock was hit hard by alcohol related incidents. They took him in the first round. This is by no means a happy ending. Smith may fall off the rails at anytime. This is a special case where the Ravens; based upon Smth’s talents, were willing to take a chance with a known risk. The Ravens are a smart organization. They would not have touched Smith with a forklift if they felt his conduct was unmanageable. Again it goes back to the franchise; some are better equipped to deal with difficult personalities. Perhaps you are right. The Rams are not a franchise that is capable of dealing with talented and difficult players.
Oh, I know DeCastro plays
for Stanford. Sorry, bad typing. I have watched nearly all their games this year.
Knowing our luck Devaney would pass
on DeCastro and Martin to draft Coby Fleener. I think that guy will cause some matchup nightmares in the NFL though kind of like Graham for the Saints.
Way Beyond The First Round
C Philip Balke 6’2 318 Baylor. Did a nice job for RGIII.
OT Tanner Hawkinson 6’6 300. 3 Year starter for Jayhawks. Athletic kid handles pass rushers well.
OT- Landon Walker Clemson 6’6 310. Smart, athletic, moves well.
OT Jemarcus Hardwick 6’7 320. Moves the crowd.
CB Chris Greenwood 6’1 190 Albion College( Michigan) 26 TKL’s, 10 PD’s, 2 INT’s, 1TFL. Div III All American
S Janzen Jackson 6’0 185 McNeese St: 2 INT, 1 FF 1 INT ret for TD. Jackson was dismissed from Tenn . While playing for the Vols he shared the secondary with Eric Berry. Jackson was a force; a ballhawk and a hitter that created turnovers.
Just a few names for consideration.
I like the sound of
Janzen Jackson. McNeese State in Lake Charles, LA is a little sleeper school for talent.
Texas A&I Produced
A CB a few years back that did pretty well for himself. The Redskins were glad to have him! Darrell Green was one of the best players I ever saw. You are so right; little programs can develop big talent.
I love me some David Wilson
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by Josh Wehrle on Dec 6, 2011 9:05 PM CST via iPhone app reply actions
WR Gerell Robinson 6'3 222 Arizona St
Reliable WR who uses intimidation as a part of his game. Gets Physical; plays nasty. May be an UDFA.
Have to watch more tape but:
I wouldn’t be opposed to considering Kalil and then trading up into the low 20’s of the first round for Floyd (WR). Yes I know we lose a pick or two, but if the GM thinks Floyd can be a #1 then the combo of a franchise LT and #1 WR is too hard to pass. Definitely not set on this combo, but what do you guys think of the idea of taking Kalil at #2 and trading back up to nab a falling player; whoever that may be? Yes we need a lot of help but two instant starters is better than 1 + a couple of players who weren’t your first options.
This is a good thought
And I would consider it a success, this fo isn’t good with late round picks so giving up on or two for a potential starter is smart.
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by RG31 on Dec 6, 2011 10:01 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I third this
Get KALIL then trade back up to get Floyd
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 6, 2011 10:08 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
If alshon drops like projected it could be interesting..
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by RG31 on Dec 6, 2011 10:13 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Weatherman says its gonna be warm tommorow
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 6, 2011 10:21 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Yep
I love my life. Haha
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 6, 2011 10:25 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Damn and all it can do is snow and freeze by balls off here..
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by RG31 on Dec 6, 2011 10:28 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Sucks to be you
I’ll tell Rachel you said hi
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 6, 2011 10:29 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I don't know why:
But the song " Baby baby don’t get hooked on me" just popped into my head
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 6, 2011 10:32 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Uhh I listen to rap so I have no clue what the hell yiure talking about haba
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by RG31 on Dec 6, 2011 10:33 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
It's song where they repeat that line for the whole song
It isn’t good it’s just stuck in my head
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 6, 2011 10:34 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Kinda like a Justin Bieber song..
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by RG31 on Dec 6, 2011 10:36 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Yes
Yes it’s exactly like that
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 6, 2011 10:39 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
God how did he get Salena Gomez
I seriously thought he was a girl when I first heard him sing on the radio..
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by RG31 on Dec 6, 2011 10:40 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
No clue, my first thought when I saw that whole "woman says she had bieber's kid" thing:
So is Selena available again? Gonna hate when she gets pregnant with his spawn and we (men as a race) all have to go kill her
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 6, 2011 10:43 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Yes Bieber having a kid is unacceptable
Am I the only one that think he looks like Ellen?
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by RG31 on Dec 6, 2011 10:46 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
He does look like a female version of Ellen
And Gomez can’t have his child. The estrogen required to make her look like she does combined with his DNA (which is just 28 pairs of X chromosomes) will result in the one of the women prophecy who will bring an end to football, beer, and strip clubs.
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 6, 2011 10:49 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Haha I was just about to say that
And we would have to kill that bitch!
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by RG31 on Dec 6, 2011 10:50 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
But then we'd be going all "Breaking Dawn"
Cause we’d be trying to destroy a demonic spawn before it could wreak havoc by killing it and it’s mother. Yes, I saw Breaking Dawn. No, I didnt get any from the girl I had to go see it with.
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 6, 2011 10:53 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I was going to see it but I
Decided if I wanted to watch some crap I’d watch my little sister..
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by RG31 on Dec 6, 2011 10:54 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Haha
I thought “ok well, I saw that piece of shit. If I can even begin to act like I liked it then that will make me seem sensitive and romantic (or some shit like that) to that girl Brooke.” needless to say, it didn’t work
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 6, 2011 10:57 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Yea when I saw that vampires glitter
I broke the dvd and proceeded to watch underworld..
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by RG31 on Dec 6, 2011 10:58 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I proceeded to drive to Rachel's house and stare in her window with my binoculars
But that’s just my way of coping
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 6, 2011 11:00 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Haha interesting..
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by RG31 on Dec 7, 2011 2:05 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I have the answer to my prediction:
See through frilly thing over a spaghetti strap top with lacy looking red bra visible, short frilly black skirt. I got the prediction wrong, but Idc
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 7, 2011 7:59 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
God bless america?....
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by RG31 on Dec 7, 2011 11:49 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
So I'm gonna predict something that matters (unlike a rams game prediction):
I predict that Rachel wears a tight top with a low cut and denim short shorts tomorrow
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 6, 2011 10:42 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Its strange how obsessed you arex but I admire the dedication xD
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by RG31 on Dec 6, 2011 10:43 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
You think my stalking has dedication?
Just wait till I actually get a girl haha. Ill never be on this site again, I’ll have better ways to spend my time.
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 6, 2011 10:45 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Serious question:
You guys with girls, why are you on here? A blog seems like a place for guys without anyone but our teams in our lives.
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 6, 2011 10:50 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Girls come and go. TST is forever.
Plus I’m broke right now, the last thing I need is a bitch.
Formerly JBaccSTL. Been losing sleep over Rams football since 1999.
eh she knows my love hate relationship with the rams
Coincidentally she’s a greenbay fan so she’s just laughing it up..
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by RG31 on Dec 6, 2011 10:52 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Isnt sergey's girl a pack fan?
What’s with that. The worst team and the best team, opposites do attract
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 6, 2011 10:54 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Eh, I think she just saught pity on me
Or she needed somebody to make fun of..
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by RG31 on Dec 6, 2011 10:55 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
"congrats on your Pack winning babe. I'm so depressed about the Rams. Can you cheer me up?"
Is that how it goes for you? Lol
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 6, 2011 10:59 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
No its
Her: oh my pack won again, how did the rams do?
Me:…….
Her: so ya lost again?! Damn Sam is screwed…
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by RG31 on Dec 6, 2011 11:04 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I got your new line then:
After she says “damn Sam is screwed” you say “help me be like him” lol
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 6, 2011 11:06 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Yea thanks haha
Then don’t say Brady is better than Rodgers cause she just gets pissed xD
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by RG31 on Dec 6, 2011 11:08 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Dude, I got more great Rampage-esque advice for you
Say that halfway through for some angry “fun”. Everyone knows angry fun is awesome
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 6, 2011 11:10 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Haha alright dude..
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by RG31 on Dec 6, 2011 11:13 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
You know you were thinking "this is a great idea!"
But now I have a mental image I don’t need
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 6, 2011 11:14 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Yea....
So who should the rams draft in the 3rd? Haha
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by RG31 on Dec 6, 2011 11:17 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
A good player
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 6, 2011 11:18 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
They actually draft well within the first three rounds
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by RG31 on Dec 6, 2011 11:30 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I hear that. All I got around here are Steeler fans.
I won’t touch an Eagles girl.
Formerly JBaccSTL. Been losing sleep over Rams football since 1999.
What if they looked like Kate Upton and were naked in front of you?
Youre a football fan, not a gay guy. You’d have to go for it
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 6, 2011 10:58 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I suppose that is true. I'd still knock her out on Sundays, though.
Formerly JBaccSTL. Been losing sleep over Rams football since 1999.
I'd be caring and sensitive to my girl
But if she talks to me during a game….. “Bitch” knocks unconscious by hitting her in the forehead with my elbow
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 6, 2011 11:03 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I'm just not into RB's before the 4th. If you give a decent back
a great line, he can look like an allstar. Build the line with free agent guards and a high drafted left tackle. Kalil, or Martin from Stanford or the kid from Iowa. (sorry can’t call the name right now). I agree ith taking a receiver in 2 because I think there will be several good ones still available. DT or OLB in 3 and then a RB in 4.
Who all is here?
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 6, 2011 10:08 PM CST via mobile reply actions
I just returned for a quick
check in. I think the guy that sang that tune all produced the redundant lyrics of “It never rains in California!”
I think the Pack will lose
the NFC title game to Drew Brees et al. Rodgers passing attack is awesome but their running game has gone weak and their defense is a mess now.
how about kalil and then a C or Guard with second pick.
Back to back O-Line, fuck it.
Correction: Your phone jswirb's his name.... - DCRamFan
I'm starting to think the same thing
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by Josh Wehrle on Dec 7, 2011 4:21 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
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