Time For The Rams To Trade Steven Jackson
The St. Louis Rams figure to have new leadership in the building come January. Whatever the composition of the new cabal, they have their work cut out for them, turning around a franchise now more identified with eight years of losing than any Show in the past. Their first task will be evaluating the roster they inherit casting an eye toward the 2012 NFL Draft and, more urgently, the free agent season. One of the first questions to ask in reshaping the roster for 2012, should the Rams trade running back Steven Jackson?
On a visceral level, fans say no. There's an attachment to Jackson, who was plays his tail off here, despite the franchise's ability to put a winner around him. For me, I'd really hate to him leave, but the business and practical side outweighs the sentimental.
Had the Rams season gone more like everyone envisioned, Jackson would have been able to opt out of his contract. All he needed to do was reach an average of 400 receiving yards and 1,200 rushing yards per season between 2008 and 2011. That isn't going to happen, and he'll be under contract with the Rams for two more seasons at $7 million per year.
The losing is taking its toll on Jackson, and he deserves a shot with a team that has a real shot at the Super Bowl. For St. Louis, they could use the draft picks or player(s) they could get in return for Jackson. They could also use the cap space. When we talked to Rams COO Kevin Demoff in October, he told us that the Rams will be "somewhat constricted" against the cap in 2012, with about $10 million in cap space. Adding $7 million back into the pool doesn't necessarily mean they should go on a spending frenzy, but a new regime will be looking to bring in their own players.
Jackson is averaging 4.6 yards per carry, his best since 2004. He also figures to break the 1,000-yard mark for rushing for the seventh consecutive season of his career. His numbers will suffer over these last four games, with tough defenses and an offensive line made of wet cardboard. Despite that, he would still be a very desirable asset to competitive teams. The Detroit Lions could certainly use him in a pairing with Jahvid Best next year, and with Cleveland fed up with Peyton Hillis, there's another former coach who could make the call.
As for the potential return, it's hard to say. Jackson will be 29 next season, but he is still productive and an asset to any locker room. Buffalo traded Marshawn Lynch to the Seahawks last year for a fourth-round pick and a conditional pick. New England traded Laurence Maroney and a sixth-round pick to Denver last year (one of Josh McDaniels' ill-fated personnel moves) for a fourth-round pick. Jackson should be worth at least a third-round pick, if not a second.
It was hard to watch the Rams move away pieces of the old GSOT, guys like Isaac Bruce, Torry Holt and Orlando Pace. Fans dealt with it because it signaled ushering in what then looked to be a promising new era. A new regime will come to Rams Park with the same goal, and, hopefully, will be better qualified to make it happen. It would be just as difficult to watch Jackson get traded away, but the guy deserves a shot at winning, just like Rams fans do.
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that is straight up blasphemy!
BUT!..if the rams have too, then send sjax to green bay. they need a bonafide star rb, and at least sjax can be in the playoffs, playing for at lest 2 titles in green bay in his twlight. he deserves that.
So what he is a Ram and if ur true ram fans then any player should win as a Ram only
"Victory at all costs, victory in spite of all terror, victory however long and hard the road may be; for without victory there is no PLAYOFFS."
Winston Churchill
I asked this on another post but
How is it that people get buthurt when you talk about SJax But nobody else on this team. Like placing blame, everybody has q blame game day on bradford but when you talk about sjax people get up in arms?
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by RG31 on Dec 6, 2011 10:48 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Hes fumbled
And he’s only had 3 good games, so how many games have been played, 11 so take away 3 and there’s 8 more reasons.
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by RG31 on Dec 6, 2011 11:24 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Let's all realize one thing:
We aren’t trading him so he can win, we are trading him cause it benefits us
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 6, 2011 11:31 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
He's only had 3 good game b/c the oline sucks
and every RB fumbles now and then. Like saying Rodgers is doing bad b/c he has some INT. Also he has had only 2 bad games. and 2 okay games. He is a beast there’s no denying that. Also he’s 15th in rushing missing 2 games and not being healthy the whole year.
And he's actually has 4 great games, Packers, Saints, Browns, Cardinals
and if he didn’t get hurt in the 1st game against the Eagles, he would of had another beast day (did have a TD on the first play of the year).
I believe we beat the Eagles if he dont get hurt..
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by RG31 on Dec 6, 2011 11:52 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Oh Im not saying hes not a beast
Don’t think AD could even do great behind this line, maybe better but not great. But them same excuses can be made for bradford, the line sucks and these wrs are the worst I’ve ever seen, except Lloyd, but people accuse me of being an apologists if I bring up these points.
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by RG31 on Dec 6, 2011 11:45 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I agree with these points
but Sam has been playing was worse than he should. His accuracy is missing on deep throws even with no pressure on him.
Yea definatly has made more mistakes then SJax
But my point was he does make mistakes, I still say don’t trade him though.
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by RG31 on Dec 6, 2011 11:49 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
A SJax mistake is a very rare site
and he’s earned the right to be forgiven for the one or two he’s made this year, because of what’s he has given to this city, to the fans, to this team. Sam hasn’t earned that yet. He’s been hear for less than 3 years.
Alright, but yes he should be kept
The rams couldn’t get back the value for him that he has given to the rams, he’s worth more than a 3rd round to us but not to other teams, kinda like an old car that works good..
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by RG31 on Dec 6, 2011 11:54 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
PLUS
Horrible run plays against teams with good run D. IMO if and I express IF the Rams were committed to SJAX and not the passing game we would have more wins. Which of course I know sounds like a broken record at times but it’s true, clock management and the ability to score in the red zone etc.
Just a man who loves football
by BurnoutJoeB. on Dec 6, 2011 11:59 AM CST up reply actions
Its true
Look at the two games we won, SJax went over a hundred yards. Next season since there will be a full offseason for Sam to actually digest the playbook, we will start to see less run plays and more screen plays, I think this is the last season you’ll see heavy running, going to start building around Sam, they have to to win..
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by RG31 on Dec 6, 2011 12:03 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
because sjax has been on the team alot longer than bradford...
and carried this team on his back, did way more than bradford has. if it wasnt for sjax, the rams never would have had an identity after the GSOT. period. thats why i get get up in arms when they talk about steven. the dudes gave his blood, sweat, and tears for this organization.
by Mark Jaramillo on Dec 6, 2011 10:56 AM CST up reply actions
Thats true and I agree
He’s an HOF IMO and its amazing he still wants to be here..
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by RG31 on Dec 6, 2011 11:39 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Lol I feel u rg
Its cause he stuck wit us wen he shoulda bolted. But still this franchise needs a complete makeover
by Ram_Redemption on Dec 6, 2011 10:58 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I'm with you on this one
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 6, 2011 11:25 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I thinks it's because you all just became fans when Sam showed up
while many of us have been through the 07-09 Rams seasons, where he was the only good player and the only one who gave effort. He gave everything he had every week for one of the worst teams in the league.
by Brick Top on Dec 6, 2011 11:44 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Still, if we can get something good, move SJax
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 6, 2011 11:45 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Na I say keep him
Although I think we should start moving on, SJax has given his life to this organization and after all the shit he still doesn’t want to leave, keep him until he retires..
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by RG31 on Dec 6, 2011 11:48 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
SJax doesn't want to leave and I don't want to see him go
I don’t think we can get a fair return for him. A 3rd round pick is the most we can get IMO and who can we pick in the 3rd that’s a better player and leader than SJax. Nobody. I say keep him for the last few years of his career. Just get another RB to help spell the carries.
do you realize Jackson could have every rushinshing
Record that matters when he retires and most of the punditry does not see him as a hall of fame back!
The rams have two of the best HOF rushers of the modern era and jackson has smashed them both!
Trading him away for cap space is fuckin bullshit…If you are upset and write about the rams losing culture and foster a winning franchise identity..Hello! This guy is a winner and is the blueprint for a winning franchise with his selfless balls to the wall attitude…the franchise should be taking notes not considering trading him away.
In the right world, Jackson should go to the HOF as a Ram
- And here's the Rams' 2010 season in a series. Incomplete pass, 18-yard run, incomplete pass, 7-yard run, 5-yard pass, 3-yard run, sack, incomplete pass, punt. Shoot me. - 3K
by leadhead on Dec 6, 2011 4:47 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
darn my fat fingers and little phone keypad!!!!
- And here's the Rams' 2010 season in a series. Incomplete pass, 18-yard run, incomplete pass, 7-yard run, 5-yard pass, 3-yard run, sack, incomplete pass, punt. Shoot me. - 3K
by leadhead on Dec 6, 2011 4:49 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
look at the rams track record with hall of fame rb's....
it was bad enough trading the immortal eric dickerson, but letting the “bus” bettis go in the 90’s also just shows the culture the rams have lived in for decades.
by Mark Jaramillo on Dec 6, 2011 4:59 PM CST up reply actions
Fuck it. Trade him. Gets some good players or draft picks for him. No point for him to suffer with this shirty team. By the time the lambs become relevant again Jackson’s career is over.
Frankly my dear, I don't give a damn.
by Skunkburner on Dec 6, 2011 10:51 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Hate to say it
But ur right
We might be down now but when we get back up u better move out are way are ul get RAMED!!!
by Ramzman18 on Dec 6, 2011 10:57 AM CST via mobile reply actions
This team is closer then people think.
I know it’s been an absolute disaster. but they are closer then people think.
Think of all the key player we have. and now think of this season’s strength of schedule, key injuries, first year offence.
The name's Rams, St. Louis Rams.
No it's not
We’re no closer than anyone thinks unless we make moves to get us closer. We went down the wrong path last year and we’re paying for it now. I don’t think Jackson would bring enough to trade him, but it’s best for him, not us. If we were going to trade him we should have done it 2 years ago when he was worth more and we committed to an offense centered on our franchise quarterback. We didn’t pull the trigger then, so keep him now, unless, of course he wants traded.
Wolf. Wolfgang Wolf
I said no for my own selfish reasons
by Eric Nagel on Dec 6, 2011 11:28 AM CST via mobile reply actions
he deserves a ring
He’s a fighter, that’s why we love him. Never gives up, played for a losing team with back injuries, my favorite Rams player!!!!!! ^^
But if he’s traded for a good team, if he can get a ring with this team, i’d be really happy for him!!!
But he’s more than a player for many rams fans, he’s the last survivor from a winning era in St Louis ^^
I don't care who they trade him to if we get something good
If the Packers offer a 3rd or 4th and the Skins or Chiefs offer a 2nd or 3rd, I’m trading him to them for the better pick
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 6, 2011 11:34 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
yeah but
I know NFL is business but it’s not really respectful to just see what he can bring us by a trade whereas he played many games through pain for the (losing) Rams
by Misterthescot on Dec 6, 2011 11:36 AM CST up reply actions
Its the business
You get what you can get. You screw yourself if you take a lesser pick for him just cause you love him.
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 6, 2011 11:39 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
At the end of the day:
It’s all about the value of each player
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 6, 2011 11:41 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
So most of the board
wants to keep spags and trade jackson. WOW. whoever made this site should rename it, “how to ruin the rams.com”. you guys are nuts or have played to the level of pee wee football lol. WOW
Rams Bulls and Mets allllllllll day also i do love white castle
From what Ive seen most want to get rid of Spags
Just a few says he should stay, me including. As for SJax, its just a though, in all realness he won’t be traded..
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by RG31 on Dec 6, 2011 11:36 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
a thought would be
get a QB who doesnt have brain damage or a coach who has a nutsack but F it. rams fans are almost as pathetic as mets.Almost
Rams Bulls and Mets allllllllll day also i do love white castle
Mets management was at least s
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 6, 2011 11:40 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Mets management was at least smart enough to not pay for Reyes
Contract year player with an injury history
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 6, 2011 11:40 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
lol mets management was too cheap to pay for reyes
injuires and all. ur in NY and u say ur broke lol and the worst is nto that ,its that fans accept it now and think its ok lol. wilpon should be hanging from citi field but i dont even wanna talk about that mess of a franchise
Rams Bulls and Mets allllllllll day also i do love white castle
Marlins way over payed him
Woulda been stupid to take a guy with all his nagging injuries and average seasons prior to this one at that kinda money. However, if the get Pujols to go with Reyes and Ramirez, the Marlins are baseball’s Heat
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 6, 2011 11:44 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
dude its not about that
its about showing the fans we can keep our homegrown players and its the training staff because the mets have the most injuries every year (thats y i give 2 shits about the rams injuries) but they showed us we will not compete until the owner is forced to leave because he doesnt want to spend money on no one
Rams Bulls and Mets allllllllll day also i do love white castle
Trust me, it wad the RIGHT MOVE to let him go for that much
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 6, 2011 11:49 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Hell dont the Yankees overpay everybody the have?
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by RG31 on Dec 6, 2011 11:47 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
its why they win
no salary cap and a NY team. this is unforgiveable. i can accept if the rams dont spend but not those bunch of piece of dog shit morons and the worst fans of all time the mets fans
Rams Bulls and Mets allllllllll day also i do love white castle
The Rams do spend
we are one of the few teams that has spent almost all the cap room they have. The argument that the Rams are cheep is ignorant.
of course i didnt say they didnt
if they didnt i wouldnt be mad. i just would like them to keep drafted players. i dont think anyone has said that about this team.
Rams Bulls and Mets allllllllll day also i do love white castle
Every team is going to have to spend now
the new CBA requires teams to spend 95% of their cap space soon
xD
I don’t know shit about baseball, just the Yankees have a lot of bangwagon fans and the cardinals won the world series.
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by RG31 on Dec 6, 2011 11:51 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
i havent watched a game all year
i am sick of them and i cant watch any game but the mets when i do watch because it is kinda boring
Rams Bulls and Mets allllllllll day also i do love white castle
I couldnt watch a full game of baseball if i tried
Too fucking boring, fun to play but not to watch..
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by RG31 on Dec 6, 2011 11:55 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Too bad, it might be better to send him to someone else
Demarco Murray just this year was a 3rd rounder. I’d take a brand spanking new RB for an old guy who won’t be here for the good days
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 6, 2011 11:38 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
also why talk about getting rid of
Jason smith or Bell or C Dahl Butler ETC. we have enough guys we can talk about getting rid of but we pick of all ppl the best rams player of the past 8 years
Rams Bulls and Mets allllllllll day also i do love white castle
Depends on what you get in return
I never ruled it out as a sensible move before as we rebuilt the team. The problem is that moving forward, he’s just not going to be a part of the equation.
I suggested that when we drafted Sam Bradford, we needed to build the team around him and not Steven Jackson. Because of Axjax’s tenure and production, that understandably made people uncomfortable. The reality, though, is that he’s only got a few years left, and it makes much more sense to build on the idea of a St. Louis Rams without him than with him.
If, like me, you believe that’s the case and you can get appropriate value for him, pull the trigger.
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What would you call appropriate value for him?
For me the most I can see teams offering is a 3rd rounder, which is way to low in my opinion. I don’t think we will get proper return on a trade of SJax.
I wouldn't say WAY too low
but at this point, a second rounder would entice me
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by 3k on Dec 6, 2011 12:24 PM CST up reply actions
That's the problem, at least I think
We won’t get the value losing a team leader, both verbally and by example that Jackson represents. I wouldn’t trade him now unless he asked. If we DID receive appropriate value I’d be surprised. I’d have to say at least a third and a conditional 5th or so.
Wolf. Wolfgang Wolf
now that's a fair issue
it’s not just what he does on the field that approximates his value. Good point.
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by 3k on Dec 6, 2011 12:24 PM CST up reply actions
I kind of endorsed trading him a couple years ago but he's not just worth less to anyone else, but he's worth more to us.
Wolf. Wolfgang Wolf
I should phrase that differently
He’s not just worth not as much to anyone else. Worth less and SJax should never be phrased together in a sentence.
Wolf. Wolfgang Wolf
Ok, let's just say we trade him
What running back would you want in the draft?
Cingrani for 2012 Closer!
as a replacement back?
Gonna be hard to get one after the second, and I’ve said it often that I don’t think it makes sense to take any RB in the first two rounds, even Trent Richardson.
Chris Polk (Washington) and Isaiah Pead (Cincy) could be in play in round 3. And I’d love to get a speedy playmaker late – maybe Jeff Demps (Florida) or Andre Ellington (Clemson). LaMichael James (Oregon) makes sense, but I expect someone to take him in the 2nd.
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by 3k on Dec 6, 2011 12:28 PM CST up reply actions
Ryan Clark from VaTech or Evan Rodriquez from Temple
Devon Ramsey from UNC as a UDFA, or Derrick Coleman from UCLA. All big FB types who could give us the couple yards and a cloud of dust. But we need another run-blocking guard, a LT and another good blocking TE if not 2. I’d like to see 7 lineman sets for short yardage plays occasionally.
Wolf. Wolfgang Wolf
Clarke's at
W. Virginia
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by 3k on Dec 6, 2011 1:15 PM CST up reply actions
Once again getting my virginas mixed up
I need to put the schools on my draft board but I’m much too lazy
Wolf. Wolfgang Wolf
At this point,
we won’t get a decent value for him. He’s a team leader, and I say keep him. I’ve said this before, but I think he could play well into his 30’s (if he wants) as a goal-line back and as a situational/ pass catching beast of a fullback.
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Agreed
The way we roil we probably wouldn’t do no better than a 4th round pick. And if that was the case it would make more sense to trade him to Green Bay (a team that doesn’t have a quality back) for Jennings .
Personally, I think he’s more valuable as a pass catcher out of the backfield. If we could figure out a way to get him the ball.
Also,
it would be easier to trade him if we had a capable replacement, but we don’t.
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They should let Jackson
decide what he wants to do. I would hate to see him leave but he deserves better then this frickin mess.
this team needs better coaches period
look at some of the castoffs. robinson is doing great with romo. incognito is also doing great in miami. our coaches can’t get the best out of their players for whatever reason. spags also makes stupid game management mistakes over and over. if we can get some draft picks out of jax i’d say go for it. but the problem i think lies with the coaches.
yup can't argue with that
What if Barrons problems could’ve been coached up. What about the misuse of Adam Carricker? Chances are the coaching has been a problem all along and we, in our unflappable loyalty to the team, refused or were unable to see it.
Wolf. Wolfgang Wolf
Strike Now
The Lions need a RB now. SJAX could help them secure a playoff spot. A third or fourth rounder would be reasonable.
I've had someone here who would have been interested in meeting you
They are called The Trading Deadline. Unfortunately, they left after week 6.
I Hate Those Type Of Rules
You know injuries will happen to key personnel at any point during the season. Why limit a teams ability to address those issues with a trade option throughout the season.
Even if the trade deadline hadn't passed, the Lions don't have cap room for Jackson.
Unless he’s willing to take a lot less.
No slogans. Just win!!!
In That Case
The Rams will hopefully add RB talent via draft and FA. Lamar Miller or Chris Polk in addition to FA Mike Tolbert would give The Rams an interesting trio of RB’s.
I'm for getting a couple of bruiser type backs.
I have no stomach for anyone who can’t just take the handoff and kick some ass straight up the middle. I watch MJD or Sproles and I think to myself ‘who in college looks like these guys’ Every back that looks like this is listed as a fullback or will probably be gone by the 3rd round which as far as I’m concerned is the earliest round we could afford to draft a non O-lineman. At least unless and until we fill in the O-line holes via FA.
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A Couple Of Suggestions
Mike Tolbert from San Diego will be a FA in 2012. A powerful between the tackles runner. Terrance Ganaway from Baylor 6’0 240. Very strong runner. He may be an UDFA. The Rams could possibly get both of them and get David Wilson or Lamar Miller as well.
Yup, fuck it
put SJax on waivers, draft a TE in the first round, and resign the coach and GM for 3-year extension. I mean come on, Colts are worse than the Rams? Unacceptable, the only team that’s usually worse than the Rams are the Lions, so let’s keep it that way.
Beating off the dog is never appropriate when we have company over...... I mean EVER!
We wouldn't get much for him unless he was willing to redo his contract
For selfish reasons, I’d rather keep him than let him go for a 3rd rounder, which IMO is the absolute maximum we’d get. I’m all for trying to get him on a successful team, but we need to get stronger, not weaker. Unless we traded him for a high first round pick and turned that into Trent Richardson, I don’t see how this move makes us stronger, unless we get absolutely wildly lucky in the later rounds with an Arian Foster type gem (that doesn’t happen all that often).
NO
He is the team captain and the only reason why we’ve won any games this season. He is a great inspiration to the players and the team needs him.
Value
You would never get the true value in return. Not only in terms of talent but more importantly leadership and community. Now I am sure King Sam may get his gun out but in reality the only guy you would get any kind of true value out of would be Bradford. You would unload a huge contract and have money to spend on free agents and get draft picks to get yourself another QB and much other needed talent. From purely a fans perspective your franchise QB should not appear to be so ho hum about being abused and losing. I am not saying trade Sam but trading Sjax for even a second rounder makes us no better. Trading Sam for multiple high picks increases your odds of being better.
I say don't trade him...
As much as he deserves to have a SB ring on his finger with a more successful team, he’s still the leader on this Rams squad, and one of the few guys capable of making a difference during a game.
I say we do with him what we did with Marshall Faulk – have him as our primary RB, with a young and hungry back-up waiting in the wings, learning from the best until he’s ready to step into S-Jax’s shoes. Not saying we should draft a RB in the first round (not with our immediate needs elsewhere), but we find someone capable in the later rounds, or trade for someone. I know that Jackson was a first rounder, but at this time we cannot afford to go big on a RB come April 2012. So we must put our faith in whoever comes in as GM and HC, and hope they find someone who’ll help this team become better in the backfield over the next few years and beyond.
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by JoolzMF on Dec 6, 2011 2:09 PM CST via mobile reply actions
we can cut jason smith and save us 11.5 million of dead weight
plus jason brown is probably gone… i really dont see cap being a motive here.
if we can get a good return for him then we should, if we cant they we shouldnt. he helps us win… or not lose as badly… but a good return could help the team win sooner, more then him anyway. regardless though, hes got alot of millage on those tires, and i dont see any real market for him.
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No way would I trade him
The NFL is crap when it comes to trading talent. You don’t ever get what the player is worth(Lloyd for a 5th). I would rather keep Jackson than trade him for a 3rd round pick that might be on the team for 2 years then get cut. Also, trading him opens up another hole. He is the best player on this team and he wants to win, and he is worth every penny we are paying him. I want to see his name up there with Dickerson, Youngblood, ect. I want to tell him kids one day about how Steven Jackson played the game with such great passion and was an all time great.
Sam Bradford
Hate to tell you this, but...
A 29 year old RB with a history of recent injuries is not worth more than a 3rd round pick. Don’t fool yourself into thinking you’d ever get a 2nd rounder or higher, unless you think you’re smart enough to screw over Jerry Jones or Dan Snyder.
No slogans. Just win!!!
You just made my point though...
You don’t get what he is worth. I wouldn’t even consider it for a 3rd let alone anything later.
Sam Bradford
absolutely not!!
never would I trade SJ39. He’s the best RB in the league, by far. If he can do what he does on a team like ours is at the moment, then nobody can argue with that.
Go RAMS!!
It's less about SJ then it is about Sam
Sam’s development has to be the number one priority for this team. If you deal SJ (and clean out the coaching staff) you will be stunting Sam’s growth. At least now opposing defenses have to think about stopping the run (obviously they worry less now because of o-line issues). If you replace SJ with a lesser back teams will be able to sit back more often making it more difficult on Sam, therefore not allowing his confidence to grow (something that is clearly missing this season).
As a fan seeing SJ traded would be devastating but it is not for this reason they should keep him. He helps ease the pressure on the franchise guy.
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by RaptorsHQ - Howland on Dec 6, 2011 2:52 PM CST reply actions
Anyone who voted "Yes" is dead to me.
Formerly JBaccSTL. Been losing sleep over Rams football since 1999.
The only way in hell that I'd be okay with us getting rid of Jackson
is if we straight up cut him right now and he signed on with the Packers.
Formerly JBaccSTL. Been losing sleep over Rams football since 1999.
Should have traded SJ when he held out for a new contract that was the time to get the most out of him
now you wont get nothing for SJ no use trading him he should finish on this team
I say no, I mean if Jackson wanted to leave then the team should do everything in their
power to put him on the roster that he wants to go to. The team more than owes him that. But Jackson IS the Rams right now. I get the impression that he pretty much wants to die a Ram. In fact he is the only identity the team has. He is such a force that it makes building a new offense much easier.
His leadership is sorely needed with the young players the Rams already have plus the future players they bring in to make the offense a tough no excuses get it done attitude…far from what they have now.
- And here's the Rams' 2010 season in a series. Incomplete pass, 18-yard run, incomplete pass, 7-yard run, 5-yard pass, 3-yard run, sack, incomplete pass, punt. Shoot me. - 3K
If we could get even a third round pick for SJ ...
… and we had a GM/coach combo, then I’d say yes, let’s trade him. We need to improve too many spots on this team and clearly, as good as he is, he can’t win on his own.
However, I doubt we get anything over a 5th rounder for him.
He’s worth far more to us than he is to any other team. If we can’t get a second or early 3rd, then no, don’t trade him.
If we still have Spags and Devaney then don’t trade him. They’ll just waste the pick.
I would not be surprised if we traded him during the draft depending on if we get Trent Richardson or not.
Problem is, if we pick up Richardson, then we are likely in the same boat: great RB with no talent around him.
Alex Song - Krunk as Fuck!
49% YES?!?
I am going to agree with all those who said the influx of Sam Bradford Ram fans are skewing the numbers.
I’ve been a Rams fan my entire life, as has my father. I’ve seen a lot of good running backs in my days as a fan of this team. Being born in 1982, the first Rams back that I actually remember is Greg Bell. I also remember the mid 90’s teams, with less than 0 talent at the position. Marshall Faulk was a revelation for the team, and probably the most exciting, intelligent and talented football player I’ve ever had the pleasure of watching play. All of that being said, Steven Jackson is my favorite and probably the best player we’ve ever had wear the horns.
The numbers speak for themselves, no need to cover that. Steven Jackson has been everything for this team in the past 6 or so seasons. He’s the reason you watch every Sunday, not missing one pathetic loss after another, just to see him run through, around and by defenders. Game in which Jackson was hurt were depressing. I’d venture to say less than a handful of NFL players would show the loyalty and constant effort, every game playing in a situation like the Rams are currently in. Jackson is a great human being, a fantastic player and a role model for children. How would anyone want to see #39 retire in anything but blue and gold?
TL;DR – Jackson should retire as a Ram, and if you think otherwise, go to hell :-p
Im a Sam Bradford fan and I said No
Getting rid of him wouldn’t help Sam it would kinda hurt him. SJax is still a top 5 rb imo only behind AD, CJ and the rb at Houston. Don’t assume its only us..
Ignorance is Bliss
by RG31 on Dec 6, 2011 4:17 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Even Chris Johnson has had a bad season
also, he isn’t saying all but most fans from the Sam era don’t know how much SJAX has meant and still does mean to St. Louis. It’s great to see you realize that. The man has given everything to the Rams and the fans and now he finally has a qb to help him although this season went to shit.
Most amazing is he still wants to be here..
Ignorance is Bliss
by RG31 on Dec 6, 2011 10:30 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
It's a phenomenal city to be a sports star in
If you are a class act and good, you are a super hero/ god in St. Louis
Sad day in football
SJ39 is the leader and captain of this team! His loyalty to this organization, the fans and his teammates speaks volumes! Why lose a player like him for a 3rd round bust! Today is a sad day in football, I bet the majority of you who want to trade Jackson is under 21. If he wanted to leave he would’ve demanded a trade.
by ramsfan873 on Dec 6, 2011 8:16 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Another funny thing abiut people getting pissy about this
A month or so ago when the suck for luck fever came through here, many of the same people wanted to trade Sam, more will to trade your franchise qb than a rb who’s at max probably going to be here for 2-3 years…
Ignorance is Bliss
by RG31 on Dec 6, 2011 10:25 PM CST via mobile reply actions
I think that comes down to money in reality
Bradford is one of the highest paid players, the highest ever for a rookie. Since we are basically starting over AGAIN, I can see why people might go that option; although not what I recommend.
well he got 50 uo front
Which means the bulk of it is already gone, só Thereza for wouldnt it voar more to ter luck?
Ignorance is Bliss
by RG31 on Dec 7, 2011 2:14 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
wouldnt it cost more to get luck i meant..
Ignorance is Bliss
by RG31 on Dec 7, 2011 2:14 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Highly doubtful as Cam Newton's contract was 4 years for 22 mil I believe
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/6816915/top-pick-cam-newton-carolina-panthers-agree-four-year-22-million-deal-source-says
Also, we would get another first round pick for him. Just saying those are the reasons why one would trade Bradford and draft Luck, but that’s not what I want.
FUCK NO HELL NO
aint no way in hell we are trading jackson, cant believe u guys want that, we know wat he deserves but thats not are decision to make. he will be a ram until he says he wants to leave the rams then i will accept it and hope he gets a ring
We should only trade Sjax if it makes our team better because thats wat matters....
If he wins a super bowl it should be with us…if he’s not with us then I could give a shit if he wins one….He is by far my favorite Ram but only because he is just that a Ram…..I love this team and I like SJax but if we can drop him and his contract for younger talented players for less then why the hell not…..I’d rather build to something with other players then to watch him scratch and claw 80+ yrds in a losing effort in a forgetful season once again.
"Victory at all costs, victory in spite of all terror, victory however long and hard the road may be; for without victory there is no PLAYOFFS."
Winston Churchill
Trading your best player on offense will not improve your team
Getting coaches who can flourish our young players will improve this team. Oline coach QB coach etc..
by ramsfan873 on Dec 7, 2011 1:16 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Look at all the talent the eagles have on off and def and they suck balls
We need coaches not 3rd/4th round picks
by ramsfan873 on Dec 7, 2011 1:21 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Rams....
From Adam Schein on Fox Sports…. • Congrats to St. Louis on being the single most insignificant team in the league this year. Congrats to Spags’ on going back to Phily to replace Juan Castillo as defensive coordinator, as we wrote on Friday.

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