Should The Rams Fire Steve Spagnuolo Now?
If you're still trying to find a reason, or reasons, as to why the St. Louis Rams lost their tenth game of the season yesterday, just stop. Save yourself the hassle. Dissecting the offensive line, the route tree, the defensive gap struggles, it doesn't matter. Trying to pinpoint the team's on-field shortcomings would be as futile as those four games they'll play to finish out the season. With such a systemic failure, I wonder if it might be time to go ahead and fire head coach Steve Spagnuolo.
Obviously, it's over for the Rams. Yesterday's effort may have been their most pathetic yet. A solid performance from the defense in the first half was forgotten once they collapsed under the weight of the big plays they gave up. Throw in the continued futility of the offense, that failed to score any points for the first time since Week 4 of the 2009 season.
It appears unlikely that owner Stan Kroenke is going to make any changes at this point in time, but Burwell's column does make it clear that change is coming to Rams Park. My question is, why wait?
Firing NFL head coaches in the middle of the season is usually a desperate measure. It happens because the team has quit on their leader (see Linehan, Scott) or if the front office wants to trial run of their underlings. There really is no one on the Rams current coaching staff with head coaching credentials. Josh McDaniels' offense flamed out this season, keeping him out of the running for a promotion any time soon. Ken Flajole's defense has moments of brilliance, but the inconsistency of the group is hardly something you put on a resume.
For Kroenke and the Rams, firing Spagnuolo now, rather than delay the inevitable, would send the signal to fans that failure will no longer be tolerated by this team. Spagnuolo has had considerable leeway in remaking this team, perhaps even more so that General Manager Billy Devaney. Spags has the final say over the team's final roster, a tremendous amount of power for a coach, and his staff's failure to develop prospects hit home again yesterday when Larry Grant turned in the kind of game the Rams were never able to get from him.
Spagnuolo had a wide berth to remake the St. Louis Rams according to his Four Pillars philosophy. He failed in that task, and the franchise has no choice but to move forward with its future, another version of that future anyway. With four games left to play, might as well get a head start.
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Fire now
Make it blatant: we won’t tolerate this
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 5, 2011 11:15 AM CST via mobile reply actions
just fire him
i dont think he deserves any more time as HC. whoever replaces him i hope they bring back Todd Hewitt.
really?
Hewitt is going to use his Equipment Manager skills to revive the Rams!
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well it wasnt his fault they were losing
so why fire hewitt? How does firing an equipment manager thats been with the team for 30 years make a difference at all. Hewitt deserves his job back.
He cost them one game last year.
Sam had a faulty helmet. Road game.
I say now
Make McDaniels interim head coach. He will likely fail, but at least we will know if it was him or Spags that screwed up the offense.
Then at season end, we’ll have more information about what to do with him. I don’t see us keeping him in that position, but you can’t really hire the real guy until the season is over unless the 4-headed Cowher/Billick/Fisher/Gruden want to come play.
i agree 100 percent
We might be down now but when we get back up u better move out are way are ul get RAMED!!!
by Ramzman18 on Dec 5, 2011 5:32 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I say don't fire him.
He’s gone up against long odds this year, he deserves another shot with a healthy team.
I’m OK with getting rid of Devaney though.
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by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Dec 5, 2011 11:36 AM CST reply actions
Wait
But clean house after the season. Equipment managers too. Maybe Phillys coach will be available. But get rid of everyone, just wait till the last game…
by fearsomefoursum on Dec 5, 2011 12:04 PM CST up reply actions
I'm all with you on this one!
Keep both Spags, Devaney and McD.
Give them one more year to prove what this team can do under their management.
Please people, this isn’t a madden game, don’t be stupid.
we fans have been waiting for 3 freakin yrs! im not waiting for results anymore....
bottom line, devaney and spags both dropped the ball, in there evaluation, draft. kick rocks
by Mark Jaramillo on Dec 5, 2011 1:45 PM CST up reply actions
Wait it out.
At the rate pussyass Spags is coaching, we can hope for a better draft pick. The season is lost. Fuck it. 2-14 here we come. It’s nothing new for a lot of us. The GSOT years were special. But we are now back to playing Lambs football. And to those pussy Rams fans who live near the bay and didn’t make it to the game. You suck!! Win or lose support your team. There were very few of us yesterday. I saw more fans when Bono was the QB. There I’m done. Have a good day. Now let’s put up some pts on MNF.
Frankly my dear, I don't give a damn.
by Skunkburner on Dec 5, 2011 11:38 AM CST via mobile reply actions
I was there. ... and loud.
Waving to the Whiner fans to give me their best.
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lol no keep him next season option?
Is that great man formally known as Tevin T. Broner, also I'm on twitter T_bron
Interim Coach
How about erecting a scarecrow on the sidelines for the last 4 games holding a clipboard? When the Rams are outside the dome, if the wind kicks up, the flapping scarecrow might illicit some emotion out of the offense. No question that the scarecrow will prove to be more emotional and creative than the current coaching staff.
The only reason to keep Spags in place till the end of the season is that McD would be the only choice as the interim coach...
… McD couldn’t coach his way out of a wet paper bag and is as much, or more, to blame for the Rams failures this season.
I’m just a bit shocked we haven’t heard any rumors of McD looking for a College HC job? If he is fired after the season, he’ll have a tough time finding a job in the NFL.
Keep Spags... simply put.
I put up with 12 games of embarrassment, futility, and making highlights for the opposing team. The reward for that is the second overall pick for the draft. Hopefully that results in the best wideout in the draft. Winning a couple of games the rest of the way makes us a failure at being the 2nd worst failure. Use Spags the rest of the way, get the 2nd pick in the draft, fire Spags after game #16, and speed dial Jeff Fisher to set up a coaching interview. Need I say more?
I would say fire him now.
I really, really like Spags — but not as head coach. I thought he showed at the start of the season that he didn’t have wait it takes, with his usual habit of punting on 4th and 1 in the 4th quarter when trailing. I really wish he could be kept around as DC, but since that would lead to perceived power struggles, I don’t think it would ever happen.
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Should The Rams Fire Steve Spagnuolo Now?
I voted no. Let the season take its course. I cannot see what bringing in an interim coach would do. Let him finish the season and start anew.
I believe Kroenke will allow Spagnuolo to see out his contract
I hope i’m wrong. Because if it were up to me, I’d fire him, McDaniels and Devaney, now.
You
You got to have a coach before you can fire one; the rams don’t have any coaches.
to extreme circumstances not under his control ,say half of the starters out for the season
still expect him back who going to take over Mc Daniels ,GOD FORBID
It's all a cruel conspiracy.
The Rosenbloom’s did all of this on purpose. How could we be so blind?
Formerly JBaccSTL. Been losing sleep over Rams football since 1999.
The only one who deserves to be fired is McD.
Too inflexible to match his offense to the personnel on the team. This team was set up for ball control and not long passes (except occasionally). Just look at the OL, they cannot protect any QB for the length of time it takes for the longer routes to develop but they still keep trying and therefore our QBs end up going down to sacks and hits. It also occurs to me that McD no longer knows how to draw up any kind of offense that can keep the opposing teams defense off balance. The onlly plays that seemed to work Sunday were the dink & dunk plays most people on this site dislike but at least move the chains. We keep up this pace and the offense will be worse than it was it 2009 when we had 3 different QBs playing.
Time to go McD.
Fire Spags and put jmcd as interm hc so everyone can c if it was spags r josh or both that need to go
We might be down now but when we get back up u better move out are way are ul get RAMED!!!
by Ramzman18 on Dec 5, 2011 5:39 PM CST via mobile reply actions
I say keep Spags
I think we keep him, Devaney and McD for another year. I think Spags, and to a lesser extent, McDaniels, have been a victim of circumstance. First, Spags inherited an utterly, utterly terrible team. We didn’t deserve to be on the same field as any team we played in the last year under Linehan, and I don’t know how we managed to avoid 0-16. I can’t name all of the players who were on the team pre-Spags and Devaney, but off the top of my head I have Steven Jackson, Ron Bartell, Chris Long, Justin King and then possibly Jacob Bell, Donnie Jones, Josh Brown and Chris Chamberlain. Which is a RB with no OL, a CB, a rookie DE and CB, and special teamers. I don’t think you can argue that, as bad as we have been this season, we are anything like as bad as we have were when Spags and Devaney took over.
Second, I think last year was a bit of a case of overachievement raising expectations. We rode a soft schedule in a historically bad division to a mediocre record, and were only in contention for a playoff spot due to the aforemention historically bad division. How that gets us to the expectation of even being a 9 win team, I’m not sure. Looking at the schedule that’s left, I can see us winning potentially 2 more games (Bengals and Seahawks), but I admit that feels unlikely, and even with 4 wins, that would be below any expectations anyone had for us, so yes, its a disappointment, but I don’t think anyone rational would have had us as actual contenders to get anywhere in the playoffs this season. If we were going to get in, it was on the back of the NFC West being full of awful teams again. Unfortunately, its only 3 awful teams and 1 good one.
Third, the lockout. I know the lockout effected everyone, but it didn’t effect everyone equally. By my reckoning, these are the teams that made coaching changes last year, and the impact of them:
Bengals: changed OC, new QB and WR (this has gone pretty well)
Browns: changed HC, DC. Offensive scheme is, as I understand, broadly similar (this has gone about averagely). Defense has gone from 4-3 to 3-4, but they never really properly converted to a 3-4 anyway (at least they didn’t have to make a huge change to their roster to make the conversion. They just added a DT and a DE in the draft.
Titans: changed HC, QB. Head coach was an internal hire, and they are basically the same team. The QB is a veteran.
Oakland: changed HC (and eventually QB). I’m not sure if they changed DC, but their HC was their former OC, and their offensive system is the same.
Broncos: changed HC. Went horribly until they started playing Jesus at QB, which, frankly, is cheating.
Eagles: changed DC and defensive system. Woops. This would have gone better with a defensive coach at DC.
Vikings: changed HC and QB. Was an internal hire, but this has gone horribly.
Panthers: changed HC and QB. Massive improvement, but in terms of record is still pretty poor.
Rams: changed OC.
On the face of it, the Rams change is smaller than any of those, but in terms of system its as big as any of those (apart from Denver, but y’know, Jesus). From a west coast offense, short passing offense, its become a hybrid of McD’s vertical passing offense, but incorporating elements of last year’s offense. Which the team had to learn in a shortened offseason. With the OC also adapting his offense significantly to what the team already knew. Which he could only do without speaking to the players because of the lockout. And then adding having the QB, who isn’t fully familiar with most of the system, making the line calls as well (which I think is the biggest mistake we’ve made this season). Players learning a new system in a shortened timespan was always going to be tricky, and we aren’t the only ones having to do it, but we should also factor in that McD has had to adapt his system to ours, without actually knowing ours. I just think to throw the system out, which has proven to be successful (and not just in New England – it wasn’t Denver’s offense that got McD fired), based on one season that had a severely shortened preseason is shortsighted. It wastes this season, but it will waste next year too as we get used to another system.
If you compare the offense, with a new system, to the defense, with the same system, you can see the difference. The D, as far as it can do, has been playing lights out. The problems have come from lack of quality players (at OLB and DT against the run) and injuries in the secondary. Yesterday was a case in point of this. The 49ers didn’t really manage much, apart from long TDs based on a busted coverage and poor tackling/angles in the secondary. I don’t want to say “those wouldn’t have happened if we had any of our top 5 CBs out there”, but to also throw out a successful defensive system, as would surely happen, is massively shortsighted IMO.
That also brings me nicely to point 4, of injuries. Injuries have destroyed our pass protection (ask Aldon Smith about this – I swear we were throwing him towards Feeley yesterday) and pass coverage. The only times our offense looks good at the moment is on the rare occasion that Brandon Lloyd is single covered, and the QB can throw it to him quickly, or someone else (usually Brandon Gibson) manages to beat single coverage and not drop the ball (something Brandon Gibson struggles with).
In particular, losing Amendola was, IMO, unbelievably huge. I think most of the 40% of carryover from last yeasr offensive scheme would have been to keep Amendola thoroughly in the gameplan. Losing him derailed a lot, and we had to rely on a rookie (Salas) to take over for him, which he struggled with. Once he got up to speed, you saw our offense improve, and his ankle fall apart, because apparently its that kind of season.
In terms of the defense, the only good defense we can now play is predicated on the DL (read: Chris Long) getting to the QB in the 2 seconds our CBs can be relied on to cover receivers.
Basically, because this has turned into a rant and I want to go to bed (its 1am in the UK and I have to be up for work in 6 hours), I think we should give Spags, Devaney and McDaniels another year. I think getting rid of them now would set us back another couple of years away from competing.
I am torn.
I think it is important to the players and the fans to fire them both now.
I think it is important to the NEXT REGIME to wait until the season is over. If Kroenke acts in a rational, professional manner, he is more likely to attract top tier candidates. If he shoots from the hip, some of the top candidates may simply stay away.
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