NFL Coaching Rumors: Jeff Fisher, A Primer On The Rams' Potential Head Coach
If the most recent rumors are to be believed, then Jeff Fisher will be the next head coach of the St. Louis Rams. Will he actually be the Rams' next head coach? That remains to be seen. Between now and when Stan Kroenke makes his hiring decisions, Fisher's name will come up again and again in connection with the Rams. It's worth knowing a little bit about him with Black Monday just three champagne filled days away.
A primer on Jeff Fisher after the jump.
History
Fisher played college ball at USC, a native of the L.A. area. Fisher started life in the NFL as a cornerback with the Chicago Bears, those Chicago Bears, except he was on IR for the 1985 Super Bowl championship. Of course, it was working on the sidelines during that season that got him into coaching working with none other than the legendary Buddy Ryan. As a coach, Fisher's roots on are defense. He learned under Ryan and worked on that side of the ball until he became a head coach.
In 1986 he took a job, under Ryan, coaching defensive backs for the Eagles. He was promoted to the defensive coordinator job there after two seasons. I suppose there's some note of literary merit in that if the Rams hired Fisher, they would be hiring their second consecutive head coach who was once a defensive backs coach in Philly.
After Philly, Fisher went to L.A. for a year as the Rams defensive coordinator. Following that, he worked for two seasons, '92 and '93, as the defensive backs coach in San Francisco under George Siefert, which puts Fisher in the Bill Walsh coaching tree. In 1994 he started working with the Houston Oilers, sticking around with that team until 2010.
There's the Wikipedia summary. Now, for a little more of the football specifics.
Defensive Approach
Fisher runs a basic 4-3 defense. He always has. The defensive coordinators who coached under him in Tennessee, including Jim Schwartz and Greg Williams, also still run the 4-3 defense, which seemed like it might be gaining popularity after Bill Belichick started using it more in New England this season.
For more on Fisher, I talked to Jimmy over at Music City Miracles, SB Nation's excellent Titans community. As defensive guy, Fisher gives his coordinator a wide berth to operate, according to Jimmy. And his defenses, always in base 4-3, have had different personalities from the blitz-heavy Greg Williams to Schwartz, who blitzed only rarely.
With blue chip players like Chris Long and James Laurinaitis, add in Robert Quinn who looks like he has very bright future, hiring a coach who uses a 4-3 would bring some continuity to the team.
Offensive Approach
The late Mike Heimerdinger was Fisher's offensive coordinator for two stints from 2000-2004 and 2008-2010. Norm Chow, recently hired to coach at Hawaii, filled in for the three years between Heimerdinger. Like most coaches with a background in defense, Fisher leans conservative in his offensive approach. Heimerdinger got Fisher to open things up, making the Titans a much more balanced offense with Steve McNair at quarterback. With a solid ground game, they threw the ball downfield more and more. The play-action with McNair and later Vince Young was key.
Here's Jimmy on Fisher's offense:
My biggest concern if I were a fan of a team that was going to hire him would be who he brings in as his offensive coordinator. He needs to hire a guy with some offensive imagination or you will be watching a really boring offense.
Based on what we know about the defense and Heimerdinger's record on offense, Fisher does at least seem like a head coach willing to let his lieutenants think for themselves, something that would be quite a change from the current administration at Rams Park.
Would he keep Josh McDaniels? I doubt it, but you never know. He does have one year left on his contract. That might be a case of egos being too big to work together.
One name to keep your eye on is Tennessee's current quarterbacks coach Dowell Loggains. He started working for Fisher in 2008 as an offensive quality control guy, becoming the QB coach last year. Vince Young had his best season under Loggains, and Jake Locker has looked good in limited action this year.
Personnel
Fisher worked closely with General Manager Floyd Reese until Reese left in 2006. They had some really good drafts together. One thing Rams fans will find refreshing look back over their draft history was their ability to find starters, particularly on the offensive line, in the later rounds of the draft. Their prize catch in the later rounds was cornerback Courtland Finnegan, a seventh round pick who will be a free agent in 2012.
Drafts were more mixed after 2006, though more players from the 2007-2010 drafts are still in the league than those taken by the Rams in that same stretch. They did consistently find important contributors in the late rounds, and that's important.
"A Players Coach"
That can be a dubious title. Ostensibly, a "players coach" is one who treats the modern day superstar and their egos with a healthy bit of distance. That's a term to describe a coach who runs a more democratic locker room, someone who doesn't act like a tyrant on a daily basis. It's also a label that carries some negative connotations, as in a guy who get run over by his players.
In Fisher's case, it's given him over to some risk taking on players who wouldn't necessarily fit the "four pillars" model. The most classic example is Pacman Jones. Here's Jimmy from MCM again:
He is a player's coach. That served him well early in his career, but backfired a little later. He convinced Floyd Reese that he could handle Pacman Jones. You know how that ended. There was a little too much of the inmates running the asylum thing the last few years here, but he never lost the locker room.
Of course, the more famous incident with Fisher and a player was his handling of Vince Young.
Vince Young
Fisher's handling of Vince Young ultimately led to his departure in Tennessee. Young and Fisher blew up during a November game against Washington. Young had a thumb injury in the second half, and Fisher did not put him back into the game. Young lost his cool, tossed his shoulder pads into the stands on his way to the locker room. After the game, Young muttered some choice words under his breath at Fisher. And that was the end of Vince Young and Jeff Fisher in Tennessee. Neither man handled the situation like a professional.
Of course, there's plenty more subtext to the incident than that. The establishment rallied to Fisher's side, including Tony Dungy. Others were less convinced, seeing Fisher as having a larger responsibility in the incident. Young was drafted largely at the behest of Titans owner Bud Adams, or so many believe. Adams is a well-known Texans Longhorns supporter. Fisher reportedly always felt like Young, the third overall pick in 2006, was thrust on him.
Adams forced Fisher to play Young after an 0-6 start in 2009. The Titans were 8-2 after that. In 2010, they went 1-5 after that game against Washington.
Fisher's handling of Vince Young is definitely a strike against him. The lesson for the Rams is that when they make whatever changes they make, they need leaders in place who can work together.
Jon Gruden, Jeff Fisher, I'm sure this isn't the last time those names will get mentioned as possible replacements for Spagnuolo. I'm also sure that few other names will likely emerge. Stay tuned.
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Hopefully during Fisher's little holiday away from the NFL has been filled with studying how the game has evolved
I think he’d be an excellent candidate, provided he has a GM that will get him the players he’s going to need. Sam needs a QB coach in the worst way.
Would you take Norv?
He stinks as a HC, but knows his offense. Same way Spags stinks as a HC (Spags stinks worse) but knows his defense (if he wasnt making bad personel moves to squander its talent)
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 30, 2011 7:03 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
As OC?
In a heartbeat. One of the best offensive minds out there, much like Wade Phillips for defense.
"Fac Fortia et Patere"
by FailureDrill on Dec 30, 2011 7:19 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
That's what I mean
Get him as OC to work with the Fish
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 30, 2011 7:21 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I am even more convinced after reading this
That is Spags has to go, Fisher is the #1 target. The defensive philosophy doesn’t interrupt the development of recent draft picks, and his willingness to let his assistants coach may actually work to Bradford’s advantage. Mike Sherman was fired at A&M and his offense could blend into what was being used by Shurmer 2 years ago. Another advantage is that Sherman is an O-Line guy, and God knows we need help there. Additionally, if we decide to keep the current GM (please no), the two of them should have enough experience and knowledge to limit any more damage.
I would disagree
The Rams need one leader, not two.
And McDaniels has never proven to be an effective OC when he can’t cheat. Simple as that.
But McDaniels had a good offense when he had Tom Brady and Randy Moss.
That clearly means he’s a great offensive coordinator, as neither of those guys ever had any success without McDaniels’ genius.
/sarcasm
lol it's hilarious how everyone said I was chatting shit when I was saying this before we even hired McD
Ima keep saying I told you so, because it is PAINFULLY evident the dude has been overrated his entire career.
Despite this, I’d like to see what sort of improvement an offseason could make, although that’s an unpopular belief.
If McD were to be fired or take a job elsewhere I would not shed a tear, but for Sam’s sake, some offensive continuity would be much appreciated.
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man I've been ranting against Fisher in the wrong thread
Fisher is stuck in the past.
He is archaic and unwilling to change.
His conservative approach to offense is no different to Spagnuolo’s and hiring him would be a misstep for the organisation.
DBCouver started a great thread over at the Titans blog and it’s well worth checking out.
What is said over there (and in the linked thread to a similar post by a KC fan) is enough to eradicate any thought that hiring Fisher has any merit.
He only posted 6 winning seasons in Tennessee, had 6 losing seasons and the rest were .500.
This is not the sort of hire you make if you are an ambitious ball club that wants to dominate the league. It is a quick fix hire that only appeases those that want Spagnuolo gone and anyone else to replace him.
This strategy has proven to be terrible, and if he could not win a Superbowl in 17 years in Tennessee, wielding a lot of power and being ‘the guy’ then what is to say he will fare better here with less talent to start with?
We should not settle for this sort of head coach should Spagnuolo be fired.
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11 not losing seasons out of 17 don't sound that bad...
Considering what we’ve had to endure.
Not saying I have some kind of insight on coach Fisher but he strikes me as someone that you can at the very least count on fielding a competitive team. Maybe he’s not the guy to take us to the Superbowl but damn I don’t see that coach out there. Fisher would be a wise hire in the sense that you know exactly what you are going to get and he won’t make the kind of game day flubs that Spags has. He would allow the organization to save face with the fan base and salvage a few season ticket holders. You give him a few years to get the organization back to par and if he is indeed stuck in the past you can make another coaching change then.
this philosophy does not compute with me
how does settling for mediocrity in any shape or form benefit anyone?
Its as much a waste of our time as being the fuck awful shambles we’ve become accustomed to.
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hahahahahahahahahahaha
I am a doormat that has unfortunately seen too few female visitors…
I’d do anything to not be a doormat.
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You make a great point here.
I was of the opinion that Fisher would be a good hire, but really, that is only compared to Spags.
We need to raise the bar. I still like Gruden, but would not be adverse to some hotshot kid to infuse some fresh blood and enthusiasm to this team.
We (the NFL) can’t continue to re-hire has beens.
If they’re worth hiring, they wouldn’t have been fired.
Maybe my comment about Gruden is misplaced.
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Fisher wasn't fired he quit
Gruden has less of a track record than Fisher and he has become too much of a personality and I wouldn’t touch him with a ten foot pole.
The problem with hiring an up and coming coach is we don’t have a strong and experienced FO to avoid hiring another mistake and since we can’t identify where exactly we’re bleeding it could be another three years before we even realize the new coach sucks. Throw in the fact we’ve blown out two new head coaches the fan base needs some sense that they’re not getting sucked along a third time in a row. We pretty much have to hire experience… keeping Spags would be an easier sell than bringing in another unknown. Actually I believe Spags could develop as a head coach but frankly he’s proven a bit too stubborn and slow to react for me to endorse him saving his job at this point.
I just don’t see a better option than Fisher available even if I bought all the negative criticism on him which I don’t.
Mike Martz would be a better choice than another coordinator. Actually if you gave Martz the right GM he could be an effective head coach. It wasn’t his coaching that got him booted it was more his personality.
it was a 'mutual parting'
which means he was fired.
They were gonna cut VY anyway, so he would have had no reason to leave. There were more reasons for the Titans to fire Fisher (and do him right for his 17 years of service by saving him the indignity of being a coaching casualty) than there were for Fisher to leave.
In addition to this, Fisher’s successor in Munchak was found remarkably quickly.
I’m with you on the Gruden thing.
I mentioned above, but it sounds like you’re settling for mediocrity and thats more an indictment of how mismanaged this team has been for so long than it is you.
Despite this, it is better to risk 3 years of sucking again with a fresh upstart HC (and ENTIRELY NEW FRONT OFFICE – no man left standing) than it is to waste 3 years being entirely average and not progressing which is Fisher’s forté. The upside of a completely fresh start with someone fresh is that they become the best coach in the league. Unproven commodities have a bigger boom bust % but in a game and league all about winning, playing it safe serves no purpose.
Personally, I don’t see a candidate out there worthy of the investment necessary to make wholesale staff changes.
I maintain we give Spags his last year and see what he can do with a team he built, an entire offseason and a backs against the wall mentality.
If he fucks up, blow the whole thing to shreds and start again, or if he succeeds, great, let’s get that Superbowl SJax deserves.
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As much as I hate Spags as a head coach, he definitely has some good qualities.
Would it be a stretch to hire an assistant head coach to ‘help’ Spags? We’ve seen it before where the QB coach or an OC also have the title Assistant Head Coach. Maybe they have the power to override Spags on game day or equal weight on gameplans, etc.
That way we keep the ‘good’ part of Spags and hopefully mitigate the bad.
Then again, why pay Spags if you need someone else to help him? Also, would that help cause Spags to lose respect?
I just really want him to stay … as DC. I know that won’t happen though and he can’t stay as sole HC.
I need to drink more.
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by Midasknight on Dec 30, 2011 10:46 PM CST up reply actions
great suggestions
it boils down to ‘who?’ though repeatedly.
i need a drink to relax my brain from the thought lol
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This is that RamChop crony isn't it?
Ram-on or something?
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by Midasknight on Dec 31, 2011 12:43 PM CST up reply actions
Thank you
I dislike Gruden maybe a bit more than Fisher, but they’re both awful candidates in my opinion.
The history shows that ex HCs given second teams tend to struggle, especially experienced ones.
You either learn to be good first time round and stick around, win championships etc. or you fail entirely. The only saving grace for 2nd time HCs is normally if they get an unfairly short amount of time initially to make their team, or their inherited team is quite as bad as the one Spags inherited…
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Dick Vermeil disagrees
but I do understand what you are saying.
by Will not be defeated on Dec 31, 2011 12:06 AM CST up reply actions
At this point
Hire Fisher, Gruden, or a mannequin. I don’t care! Anything would be an improvement.
by CumberlandRam on Dec 30, 2011 7:42 PM CST up reply actions
I'm just glad Herm Edwards doesn't get even an ounce of speculation.
I can’t stand that guy. Horrible coach and worse analyst.
Formerly JBaccSTL. Been losing sleep over Rams football since 1999.
Kate Upton for Head Coach
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Post that pic for me please
WE SUCK. THAT IS ALL.
by RAMSALLTHEWAY on Dec 30, 2011 6:31 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Im KSR, and I support this message
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 30, 2011 6:58 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I should change my name to KSH
Kate’s So Hot
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 30, 2011 7:22 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Go ahead
Its still hot
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 30, 2011 7:39 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
You see that inside-boob (is that a term?)?
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 30, 2011 9:32 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I would like to see Norv Turner as our OC
He runs a very balanced offense as far as pass to run ratio is concerned, and he does know that side of the football. He also runs a less complicated offense than McD that moves the ball down the field with vertical throws
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 30, 2011 7:00 PM CST via mobile reply actions
fisher would make a great coach
i prefer him to any of the others mentioned so far but in the end will support whoever we get.
fischer or gruden would not take on this mess
turner maybe
Like to stick with Spagnuolo
another coach is a waste of time
by Steven M. on Dec 31, 2011 6:45 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Effective Communication
Is key particularly between the owner, GM, and HC. ( The Don, Underboss, and Capo) They have to be like three different instruments playing in harmony. Here’s hoping that 2012 and beyond; will have The Rams playing sweet music.
Should Martz get a second chance somewhere
I can’t help but think Martz deserves a second chance somewhere. He brought the Bears to the NFC Championship last year with Jay Cutler, something that Shanahan couldn’t even do. The guy may have an ego, but he’s been chopping the wood as an OC the past few years, so he’s proven he can be humbled. I can see him working with a young QB in Jax or St. Louis.
As an OC he's good
But I still don’t give him an HC job cause he still risks his qb’s health constantly even though it’s proven his offense runs guys into the ground
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 31, 2011 1:39 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Jim Fassel is also a guy who is good at working with QB
I’m surprised he hasn’t gotten a second chance, I’m sure he’s dirt cheap. Maybe his personality and ego run up against GMs. He’s at least good for an 8-8 record. He could land in Jax.
The only experienced HC we should pursuit is Cowher.
Otherwise we’ll take a O/D coordinator and promote to HC. I really like Fisher as a possible HC for us, with the correct key coaches and leaders we could be very competitive. We need to compete to win. One step at a time. We need to win more than 9 games in a year to be at the next level. Who can get us there?

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