Navigation: Jump to content areas:


Pro Quality. Fan Perspective.
Login-facebook
Around SBN: The Most Dangerous Division in Sports

NFL Coaching Rumors: Jeff Fisher, A Primer On The Rams' Potential Head Coach

If the most recent rumors are to be believed, then Jeff Fisher will be the next head coach of the St. Louis Rams. Will he actually be the Rams' next head coach? That remains to be seen. Between now and when Stan Kroenke makes his hiring decisions, Fisher's name will come up again and again in connection with the Rams. It's worth knowing a little bit about him with Black Monday just three champagne filled days away.

A primer on Jeff Fisher after the jump.

Star-divide

History

Fisher played college ball at USC, a native of the L.A. area. Fisher started life in the NFL as a cornerback with the Chicago Bears, those Chicago Bears, except he was on IR for the 1985 Super Bowl championship. Of course, it was working on the sidelines during that season that got him into coaching working with none other than the legendary Buddy Ryan. As a coach, Fisher's roots on are defense. He learned under Ryan and worked on that side of the ball until he became a head coach.

In 1986 he took a job, under Ryan, coaching defensive backs for the Eagles. He was promoted to the defensive coordinator job there after two seasons. I suppose there's some note of literary merit in that if the Rams hired Fisher, they would be hiring their second consecutive head coach who was once a defensive backs coach in Philly.

After Philly, Fisher went to L.A. for a year as the Rams defensive coordinator. Following that, he worked for two seasons, '92 and '93, as the defensive backs coach in San Francisco under George Siefert, which puts Fisher in the Bill Walsh coaching tree. In 1994 he started working with the Houston Oilers, sticking around with that team until 2010.

There's the Wikipedia summary. Now, for a little more of the football specifics.

Defensive Approach

Fisher runs a basic 4-3 defense. He always has. The defensive coordinators who coached under him in Tennessee, including Jim Schwartz and Greg Williams, also still run the 4-3 defense, which seemed like it might be gaining popularity after Bill Belichick started using it more in New England this season.

For more on Fisher, I talked to Jimmy over at Music City Miracles, SB Nation's excellent Titans community. As defensive guy, Fisher gives his coordinator a wide berth to operate, according to Jimmy. And his defenses, always in base 4-3, have had different personalities from the blitz-heavy Greg Williams to Schwartz, who blitzed only rarely.

With blue chip players like Chris Long and James Laurinaitis, add in Robert Quinn who looks like he has very bright future, hiring a coach who uses a 4-3 would bring some continuity to the team.

Offensive Approach

The late Mike Heimerdinger was Fisher's offensive coordinator for two stints from 2000-2004 and 2008-2010. Norm Chow, recently hired to coach at Hawaii, filled in for the three years between Heimerdinger. Like most coaches with a background in defense, Fisher leans conservative in his offensive approach. Heimerdinger got Fisher to open things up, making the Titans a much more balanced offense with Steve McNair at quarterback. With a solid ground game, they threw the ball downfield more and more. The play-action with McNair and later Vince Young was key.

Here's Jimmy on Fisher's offense:

My biggest concern if I were a fan of a team that was going to hire him would be who he brings in as his offensive coordinator. He needs to hire a guy with some offensive imagination or you will be watching a really boring offense.

Based on what we know about the defense and Heimerdinger's record on offense, Fisher does at least seem like a head coach willing to let his lieutenants think for themselves, something that would be quite a change from the current administration at Rams Park.

Would he keep Josh McDaniels? I doubt it, but you never know. He does have one year left on his contract. That might be a case of egos being too big to work together.

One name to keep your eye on is Tennessee's current quarterbacks coach Dowell Loggains. He started working for Fisher in 2008 as an offensive quality control guy, becoming the QB coach last year. Vince Young had his best season under Loggains, and Jake Locker has looked good in limited action this year.

Personnel

Fisher worked closely with General Manager Floyd Reese until Reese left in 2006. They had some really good drafts together. One thing Rams fans will find refreshing look back over their draft history was their ability to find starters, particularly on the offensive line, in the later rounds of the draft. Their prize catch in the later rounds was cornerback Courtland Finnegan, a seventh round pick who will be a free agent in 2012.

Drafts were more mixed after 2006, though more players from the 2007-2010 drafts are still in the league than those taken by the Rams in that same stretch. They did consistently find important contributors in the late rounds, and that's important.

"A Players Coach"

That can be a dubious title. Ostensibly, a "players coach" is one who treats the modern day superstar and their egos with a healthy bit of distance. That's a term to describe a coach who runs a more democratic locker room, someone who doesn't act like a tyrant on a daily basis. It's also a label that carries some negative connotations, as in a guy who get run over by his players.

In Fisher's case, it's given him over to some risk taking on players who wouldn't necessarily fit the "four pillars" model. The most classic example is Pacman Jones. Here's Jimmy from MCM again:

He is a player's coach. That served him well early in his career, but backfired a little later. He convinced Floyd Reese that he could handle Pacman Jones. You know how that ended. There was a little too much of the inmates running the asylum thing the last few years here, but he never lost the locker room.

Of course, the more famous incident with Fisher and a player was his handling of Vince Young.

Vince Young

Fisher's handling of Vince Young ultimately led to his departure in Tennessee. Young and Fisher blew up during a November game against Washington. Young had a thumb injury in the second half, and Fisher did not put him back into the game. Young lost his cool, tossed his shoulder pads into the stands on his way to the locker room. After the game, Young muttered some choice words under his breath at Fisher. And that was the end of Vince Young and Jeff Fisher in Tennessee. Neither man handled the situation like a professional.

Of course, there's plenty more subtext to the incident than that. The establishment rallied to Fisher's side, including Tony Dungy. Others were less convinced, seeing Fisher as having a larger responsibility in the incident. Young was drafted largely at the behest of Titans owner Bud Adams, or so many believe. Adams is a well-known Texans Longhorns supporter. Fisher reportedly always felt like Young, the third overall pick in 2006, was thrust on him.

Adams forced Fisher to play Young after an 0-6 start in 2009. The Titans were 8-2 after that. In 2010, they went 1-5 after that game against Washington.

Fisher's handling of Vince Young is definitely a strike against him. The lesson for the Rams is that when they make whatever changes they make, they need leaders in place who can work together.

Jon Gruden, Jeff Fisher, I'm sure this isn't the last time those names will get mentioned as possible replacements for Spagnuolo. I'm also sure that few other names will likely emerge. Stay tuned.

Comment 59 comments  |  1 recs  | 

Do you like this story?

Comments

Display:

Hopefully during Fisher's little holiday away from the NFL has been filled with studying how the game has evolved

I think he’d be an excellent candidate, provided he has a GM that will get him the players he’s going to need. Sam needs a QB coach in the worst way.

by Douglas M on Dec 30, 2011 4:45 PM CST reply actions  

Would you take Norv?

He stinks as a HC, but knows his offense. Same way Spags stinks as a HC (Spags stinks worse) but knows his defense (if he wasnt making bad personel moves to squander its talent)

Note to Douglas M: Remember that 99% of what I say involves BS

by King Sam Rules! on Dec 30, 2011 7:03 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

As OC?

In a heartbeat. One of the best offensive minds out there, much like Wade Phillips for defense.

"Fac Fortia et Patere"

by FailureDrill on Dec 30, 2011 7:19 PM CST via Android app up reply actions  

That's what I mean

Get him as OC to work with the Fish

Note to Douglas M: Remember that 99% of what I say involves BS

by King Sam Rules! on Dec 30, 2011 7:21 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

I am even more convinced after reading this

That is Spags has to go, Fisher is the #1 target. The defensive philosophy doesn’t interrupt the development of recent draft picks, and his willingness to let his assistants coach may actually work to Bradford’s advantage. Mike Sherman was fired at A&M and his offense could blend into what was being used by Shurmer 2 years ago. Another advantage is that Sherman is an O-Line guy, and God knows we need help there. Additionally, if we decide to keep the current GM (please no), the two of them should have enough experience and knowledge to limit any more damage.

by David5264 on Dec 30, 2011 4:47 PM CST reply actions  

I would disagree

The Rams need one leader, not two.

And McDaniels has never proven to be an effective OC when he can’t cheat. Simple as that.

by DiscoJer on Dec 30, 2011 4:52 PM CST reply actions  

But McDaniels had a good offense when he had Tom Brady and Randy Moss.

That clearly means he’s a great offensive coordinator, as neither of those guys ever had any success without McDaniels’ genius.

/sarcasm

by StopSpe on Dec 30, 2011 5:13 PM CST up reply actions  

lol it's hilarious how everyone said I was chatting shit when I was saying this before we even hired McD

Ima keep saying I told you so, because it is PAINFULLY evident the dude has been overrated his entire career.

Despite this, I’d like to see what sort of improvement an offseason could make, although that’s an unpopular belief.

If McD were to be fired or take a job elsewhere I would not shed a tear, but for Sam’s sake, some offensive continuity would be much appreciated.

http://brotherspork.wordpress.com/

by Infemous on Dec 30, 2011 6:05 PM CST up reply actions  

man I've been ranting against Fisher in the wrong thread

Fisher is stuck in the past.

He is archaic and unwilling to change.

His conservative approach to offense is no different to Spagnuolo’s and hiring him would be a misstep for the organisation.

DBCouver started a great thread over at the Titans blog and it’s well worth checking out.

What is said over there (and in the linked thread to a similar post by a KC fan) is enough to eradicate any thought that hiring Fisher has any merit.

He only posted 6 winning seasons in Tennessee, had 6 losing seasons and the rest were .500.

This is not the sort of hire you make if you are an ambitious ball club that wants to dominate the league. It is a quick fix hire that only appeases those that want Spagnuolo gone and anyone else to replace him.
This strategy has proven to be terrible, and if he could not win a Superbowl in 17 years in Tennessee, wielding a lot of power and being ‘the guy’ then what is to say he will fare better here with less talent to start with?

We should not settle for this sort of head coach should Spagnuolo be fired.

http://brotherspork.wordpress.com/

by Infemous on Dec 30, 2011 6:02 PM CST reply actions  

11 not losing seasons out of 17 don't sound that bad...

Considering what we’ve had to endure.

Not saying I have some kind of insight on coach Fisher but he strikes me as someone that you can at the very least count on fielding a competitive team. Maybe he’s not the guy to take us to the Superbowl but damn I don’t see that coach out there. Fisher would be a wise hire in the sense that you know exactly what you are going to get and he won’t make the kind of game day flubs that Spags has. He would allow the organization to save face with the fan base and salvage a few season ticket holders. You give him a few years to get the organization back to par and if he is indeed stuck in the past you can make another coaching change then.

by Sggladden on Dec 30, 2011 6:19 PM CST up reply actions  

this philosophy does not compute with me

how does settling for mediocrity in any shape or form benefit anyone?

Its as much a waste of our time as being the fuck awful shambles we’ve become accustomed to.

http://brotherspork.wordpress.com/

by Infemous on Dec 30, 2011 8:11 PM CST up reply actions  

hahahahahahahahahahaha

I am a doormat that has unfortunately seen too few female visitors…

I’d do anything to not be a doormat.

http://brotherspork.wordpress.com/

by Infemous on Dec 30, 2011 8:21 PM CST up reply actions  

You make a great point here.

I was of the opinion that Fisher would be a good hire, but really, that is only compared to Spags.

We need to raise the bar. I still like Gruden, but would not be adverse to some hotshot kid to infuse some fresh blood and enthusiasm to this team.

We (the NFL) can’t continue to re-hire has beens.

If they’re worth hiring, they wouldn’t have been fired.

Maybe my comment about Gruden is misplaced.

Alex Song - Krunk as Fuck!

by Midasknight on Dec 30, 2011 6:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Fisher wasn't fired he quit

Gruden has less of a track record than Fisher and he has become too much of a personality and I wouldn’t touch him with a ten foot pole.

The problem with hiring an up and coming coach is we don’t have a strong and experienced FO to avoid hiring another mistake and since we can’t identify where exactly we’re bleeding it could be another three years before we even realize the new coach sucks. Throw in the fact we’ve blown out two new head coaches the fan base needs some sense that they’re not getting sucked along a third time in a row. We pretty much have to hire experience… keeping Spags would be an easier sell than bringing in another unknown. Actually I believe Spags could develop as a head coach but frankly he’s proven a bit too stubborn and slow to react for me to endorse him saving his job at this point.

I just don’t see a better option than Fisher available even if I bought all the negative criticism on him which I don’t.

Mike Martz would be a better choice than another coordinator. Actually if you gave Martz the right GM he could be an effective head coach. It wasn’t his coaching that got him booted it was more his personality.

by Sggladden on Dec 30, 2011 7:57 PM CST up reply actions  

it was a 'mutual parting'

which means he was fired.

They were gonna cut VY anyway, so he would have had no reason to leave. There were more reasons for the Titans to fire Fisher (and do him right for his 17 years of service by saving him the indignity of being a coaching casualty) than there were for Fisher to leave.
In addition to this, Fisher’s successor in Munchak was found remarkably quickly.

I’m with you on the Gruden thing.

I mentioned above, but it sounds like you’re settling for mediocrity and thats more an indictment of how mismanaged this team has been for so long than it is you.

Despite this, it is better to risk 3 years of sucking again with a fresh upstart HC (and ENTIRELY NEW FRONT OFFICE – no man left standing) than it is to waste 3 years being entirely average and not progressing which is Fisher’s forté. The upside of a completely fresh start with someone fresh is that they become the best coach in the league. Unproven commodities have a bigger boom bust % but in a game and league all about winning, playing it safe serves no purpose.

Personally, I don’t see a candidate out there worthy of the investment necessary to make wholesale staff changes.

I maintain we give Spags his last year and see what he can do with a team he built, an entire offseason and a backs against the wall mentality.
If he fucks up, blow the whole thing to shreds and start again, or if he succeeds, great, let’s get that Superbowl SJax deserves.

http://brotherspork.wordpress.com/

by Infemous on Dec 30, 2011 8:20 PM CST up reply actions  

As much as I hate Spags as a head coach, he definitely has some good qualities.

Would it be a stretch to hire an assistant head coach to ‘help’ Spags? We’ve seen it before where the QB coach or an OC also have the title Assistant Head Coach. Maybe they have the power to override Spags on game day or equal weight on gameplans, etc.

That way we keep the ‘good’ part of Spags and hopefully mitigate the bad.

Then again, why pay Spags if you need someone else to help him? Also, would that help cause Spags to lose respect?

I just really want him to stay … as DC. I know that won’t happen though and he can’t stay as sole HC.

I need to drink more.

Alex Song - Krunk as Fuck!

by Midasknight on Dec 30, 2011 10:46 PM CST up reply actions  

Thank you

I dislike Gruden maybe a bit more than Fisher, but they’re both awful candidates in my opinion.

The history shows that ex HCs given second teams tend to struggle, especially experienced ones.

You either learn to be good first time round and stick around, win championships etc. or you fail entirely. The only saving grace for 2nd time HCs is normally if they get an unfairly short amount of time initially to make their team, or their inherited team is quite as bad as the one Spags inherited…

http://brotherspork.wordpress.com/

by Infemous on Dec 30, 2011 8:25 PM CST up reply actions  

At this point

Hire Fisher, Gruden, or a mannequin. I don’t care! Anything would be an improvement.

by CumberlandRam on Dec 30, 2011 7:42 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm just glad Herm Edwards doesn't get even an ounce of speculation.

I can’t stand that guy. Horrible coach and worse analyst.

Formerly JBaccSTL. Been losing sleep over Rams football since 1999.

by Joe Mazzi on Dec 30, 2011 6:20 PM CST reply actions  

HC, OC and DC

Formerly JBaccSTL. Been losing sleep over Rams football since 1999.

by Joe Mazzi on Dec 30, 2011 6:34 PM CST up reply actions  

Im KSR, and I support this message

Note to Douglas M: Remember that 99% of what I say involves BS

by King Sam Rules! on Dec 30, 2011 6:58 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

I second this motion.

Piss off Tony, get shipped to Canada.

by beer me on Dec 30, 2011 7:19 PM CST up reply actions  

I should change my name to KSH

Kate’s So Hot

Note to Douglas M: Remember that 99% of what I say involves BS

by King Sam Rules! on Dec 30, 2011 7:22 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

I would like to see Norv Turner as our OC

He runs a very balanced offense as far as pass to run ratio is concerned, and he does know that side of the football. He also runs a less complicated offense than McD that moves the ball down the field with vertical throws

Note to Douglas M: Remember that 99% of what I say involves BS

by King Sam Rules! on Dec 30, 2011 7:00 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

fisher would make a great coach

i prefer him to any of the others mentioned so far but in the end will support whoever we get.

by hbwb on Dec 30, 2011 11:09 PM CST reply actions  

Like to stick with Spagnuolo

another coach is a waste of time

by Steven M. on Dec 31, 2011 6:45 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

rec'd

http://brotherspork.wordpress.com/

by Infemous on Dec 31, 2011 9:51 AM CST up reply actions  

Effective Communication

Is key particularly between the owner, GM, and HC. ( The Don, Underboss, and Capo) They have to be like three different instruments playing in harmony. Here’s hoping that 2012 and beyond; will have The Rams playing sweet music.

by ValdezY on Dec 31, 2011 9:22 AM CST reply actions  

Should Martz get a second chance somewhere

I can’t help but think Martz deserves a second chance somewhere. He brought the Bears to the NFC Championship last year with Jay Cutler, something that Shanahan couldn’t even do. The guy may have an ego, but he’s been chopping the wood as an OC the past few years, so he’s proven he can be humbled. I can see him working with a young QB in Jax or St. Louis.

by Jcrew1179 on Dec 31, 2011 1:28 PM CST reply actions  

As an OC he's good

But I still don’t give him an HC job cause he still risks his qb’s health constantly even though it’s proven his offense runs guys into the ground

Note to Douglas M: Remember that 99% of what I say involves BS

by King Sam Rules! on Dec 31, 2011 1:39 PM CST via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

Jim Fassel is also a guy who is good at working with QB

I’m surprised he hasn’t gotten a second chance, I’m sure he’s dirt cheap. Maybe his personality and ego run up against GMs. He’s at least good for an 8-8 record. He could land in Jax.

by Jcrew1179 on Dec 31, 2011 7:33 PM CST up reply actions  

The only experienced HC we should pursuit is Cowher.

Otherwise we’ll take a O/D coordinator and promote to HC. I really like Fisher as a possible HC for us, with the correct key coaches and leaders we could be very competitive. We need to compete to win. One step at a time. We need to win more than 9 games in a year to be at the next level. Who can get us there?

by RamsFan1979 on Jan 1, 2012 3:31 PM CST reply actions  

Comments For This Post Are Closed


User Tools

Welcome to the SB Nation blog about St. Louis Rams.

FanPosts

Community blog posts and discussion.

Recommended FanPosts

Cletus-the-slack-jawed-yokel-7_small
Attention All Dome Lemmings: Shut Up!
Img_20120429_144716_small
Quick Thoughts: CVC Proposal vs Rams Proposal
Small
New York Giant And Medal Of Honor Winner: 1st Lt Andrew Jackson Lummus
Small
St. Louis Rams:Tough Call - Who Stays And Who Goes In 2013?
Marshall-faulk-1999_small
St. Louis Rams Coaching- The Offensive Line

Recent FanPosts

L50i99-l50i4n0704ohiostaterams_small
Does Mike Karney Deserve A Second Shot?
Small
How many games will the Rams win this coming year??
Small
My Early 53 Man Roster Predictions
Stewie_small
Time To Step Up Bradford
Images_small
Mocking the 53
Small
Rams Land a Litter in Ground-Breaking Trade
Small
40 Years of Ram Football

+ New FanPost All FanPosts >

Cover the web with Turf


Managers

71523_170793669601439_100000124211145_596632_5713708_n_small Ryan Van Bibber

Baby_drinking_becks_small 3k

Editors

Jackson_medium_small Eric Nagel

Peter_small VTramsFan

Bugs_bunny_pose_small Douglas M

Authors

Marshall-faulk-1999_small papapegasus

Lggn0229jules-and-vincent-cartoon-pulp-fiction-poster_small Rick Siegel

Images-3_small DCRamFan

Bradford_draft_small Josh Wehrle

Tst_small Tevin Broner

Images_small Brick Top

Plaid_small EddieP

Profile_pic1_small Mike Dietrich

Sp-studio1_small Joe Mazzi

Moderators

Dsc03827_small CoachConnors