The Future Of Josh McDaniels, Brandon Lloyd Is Linked
by Ryan Van Bibber on Dec 30, 2011 11:07 AM CST
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PrintFor all the talk about St. Louis Rams owner Stan Kroenke firing head coach Steve Spagnuolo, the fate of Josh McDaniels is just sort of assumed. Such is the life of a coordinator, stepping outside of his coaching tree. I have a sneaking suspicion that McDaniels might be gone even if Spagnuolo stuck around, as someone with some profile would have to fall on their sword for the Rams' awful season. So what happens to McDaniels and what will be the fallout of his departure after one tumultuous season in St. Louis?
All indications are that McDaniels will be heading to Kansas City. On the other side of the state, he'll be ensconced in a New England diaspora headed by General Manager Scott Pioli. At least one report says that Pioli wanted to hire McDaniels as the head coach to replace Todd Haley, but it was too tough of a sell. Instead, he'll likely be the offensive coordinator in Kansas City.
How the Rams offense changes depends entirely on who is coaching here in 2012. Until that's cleared up, it's hard to say. Sam Bradford has the skill set to succeed in a number of offensive schemes. More than anything, he needs some real talent to surround him.
The Rams tried to do that by trading for Brandon Lloyd at the deadline this year. The move paid immediate dividends. He had four touchdowns in his first five games with the Rams, including an upset win over the Saints. He and Bradford established a brief connection, before the quarterback succumbed to the high ankle sprain that is still keeping him on the sidelines. Kellen Clemens has been able to do nothing in relief with Lloyd.
Lloyd is probably gone after the season. He's scheduled for free agency, and most obvious of all, he told the Post-Dispatch today that he'll go where McDaniels goes. Fitting, since Lloyd is a native of the KC area.
That sets up an interesting situation. If Lloyd leaves, the Rams will again need a receiver, a talented one, to replace him. Kansas City has a pending free agent in Dwayne Bowe. Would they be able to sign both? Would they? It's certainly possible, and pairing Lloyd and Bowe would give the Chiefs a nice pair of receivers for a team that will be anxious to start winning again. Still, it's a possibility worth keeping your eye on as we head into the offseason.
Back to McDaniels. It's hard to like what they guy has done here. Injuries or not, the Rams offense never got the swing of things. The decision not to hire a quarterbacks coach was very, very curious especially when you consider the extra need to catch up on a new offense after the lockout. McDaniels also inherited a coaching staff; none of his assistants knew the offense or had worked with him before. That might be just a coincidence; the lockout hindered hiring a little too. Was there more to the working relationship between the brash young coordinator and the control freak head coach? I suspect we'll find out more once the chips start falling in Earth City.
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So if Lloyd leaves...
we’ll be left with another stupid trade. We lose a draft pick for a rented receiver during a historically bad season that wasn’t going anywhere?
4TD’s in a two win season? Lloyd is good, but like many of us said, that was a bad trade if he didn’t sign long term.
We will still get a 5th rounder for compensation if he leaves
so basically to rent Lloyd, we went down 30 some spots in the draft. Not a bad deal
If Lloyd leaves
Are we entitled to a compensateory draft pick?
Is anyone else worried if McDaniels leaves we risk sending Bradford down the Alex smith path by forcing him to learn a 4th play book in 4 seasons.
by Peter Vevers on Dec 30, 2011 11:34 AM CST via mobile reply actions
precisely the worry i had in hiring McD
it’s painful how right I was before the season started…
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It was funny though
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 30, 2011 1:01 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
If...
We go back to a WC offense it may not effect him much. I just hope it’s not modeled after Shurmur’s WC. Green Bay is WC, good model there, if we had the weapons.
im in the minority
but i dont really care too much if Lloyd stays or goes. as long as we land a FA, Blackmon, or Jeffry, and a LT
by Ram_Redemption on Dec 30, 2011 11:59 AM CST reply actions
Thats not making progress though
that’s just keeping the wr situation about the same as this year. I don’t know about you but I’d like to improve upon an offense that is the worst in the league.
Ok, so trade down if we have the top pick
And get Floyd.
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 30, 2011 12:12 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Doubt that both Lloyd and Bowe will be signed
KC signed WR Breaston last season and drafted WR Baldwin with their first pick this year. It would be highly unlikely to invest heavily in FA with 2 top tier WR’s.
I also think Bowe would have a Brandon Marshall relationship with McD
Bowe has a bit of an ego and wouldn’t bend to McD’s stupid ego
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 30, 2011 12:20 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I agree, KSR
Lloyd said he would follow McD. If Lloyd signed in KC, Bowe would be available and fits better in a WC offense. With a decent WR in the draft with what we already have, it could be formiddable with Sam slinging it.
The one thing with Bowe is he can get gator arms
Like that Sunday night game this year. However, nothing I have heard hints he is not a very well liked guy by his teammates, but he has an ego that McD will hate (because McD is unhappy with anyone who feels like they are better than dog shit). I would like a WC offense with Bowe, Amendola, Salas, Pettis….. If we get the top pick I would also add Floyd and still get Bowe
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 30, 2011 12:42 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Completely agree
As many times as Bowe gets alligator arms, he also makes spectacular catches. The best WC offenses also need TE’s. Do you think Kendricks could be that guy or do we need to upgrade? Remember, Kendricks was McD’s pick.
I will give Kendricks time to get it together
Its not like anyone else on this offense did well in the regular season, so it’s not just him. Also, he looks so much like LeBron at times it’s ridiculous. Being serious though, Decker and D Thomas have played much better in a different system, and so has Tebow. McD apparently makes good picks, he just can’t coach them. And I love Bowe for his ability to make red zone catches. He is much more a WC guy (as proven by Weis’ system last year).
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 30, 2011 12:53 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I've said in posts past
That the biggest problem I see with the WR’s the past couple of years is is having a retired defensive back coaching the receivers. It doesn’t make sense to me. I loved Nolan Cromwell when he played for the Rams, but he is not a wide receivers coach. We have to convince Bruce a/o Holt to do the teaching.
Not necessarily them
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 30, 2011 1:03 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Not necessarily them, but yes, that's the idea
And the BIGGEST PROBLEM is a lack of talent
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 30, 2011 1:04 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
That's what I love about the new rookie scale
In the past we had too many high priced players taken in the offensive line. That eats alot of cap space without taking playmakers. This draft better be different along with shitloads of cap space in 2013 for free agency.
I still want Kalil as my pick
But if we have the 1st, we trade down and take Floyd. I might be dope, but I honestly believe he’s changed his life
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 30, 2011 1:12 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Kalil is most likely staying at SC with Barkley
but I say we trade down for picks regardless
If BL leaves
We can move Greg to the #2, get a fa like bowe to be the #1. Greg looked better then Lloyd before he was injured. Danny, Greg, and a fa would be nice.
by Lenoirrams on Dec 30, 2011 12:37 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Stat wise he was
Big play wise no
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 30, 2011 12:54 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
wish we got to see more
it’s hard to remember when our players started dropping like flies, but I feel he was somewhere near Amendola……which seems like the preseason. Comparing anyone to Lloyd, though, seems like a joke to me considering he’s the only Ram who knows what the turf in the endzone feels like
Salas went down about the Packer game
Really, I think if we can get Bowe and Floyd, he and Danny are a slot duo of power. However, as far as Salas vs Lloyd, it’s more the yardage and catches, I still would take Lloyd between the two
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 30, 2011 1:00 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Have you seen
The YAC of Lloyd. It is terrible. Something like 3 yards. It seems he caught the ball falling down, going out of bounds or diving for one more yard.
yup
Lloyd is not a WC WR. he is too spindly to break tackles etc.
I’d love to see him back, but his value is diminished in another system.
You must also remember how awful his service was this year for us though. His YAC is so low because he had to catch balls aimed at the ground or 3 yards behind him.
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Bowe if we can
Garcon may be an option. Floyd would be great but that also depends who we are going to be trading with in the draft. We will be trading down. How far, don’t know.
If we have the second- take Kalil
If we have the first-trade down for firsts a plenty and get Floyd
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 30, 2011 1:13 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
He would be good
Get Floyd in the draft and DJax in FA? I’d rather have Bowe and Floyd. Bowe isn’t as good, but he has his marbles largely in order. Now if we get DJax and Floyd can help him figure it out from the mental issues (Floyd changed his life) then DJax taking the top off the D, Floyd in the medium routes, and Danny going for short across the middle stuff is really good.
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 30, 2011 1:21 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I think DJax head will be fine once he is getting paid what he deserves.
He could probably help break in our sophomore group a little better and definitely help the rooks.
That's my thought
But he did get bent over the table and violated by the Eagles pretty much. I can understand his issues magnifying with that. If rather have him on a good contract then Stevie Johnson (who is a TO baby)
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 30, 2011 1:28 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I have no doubt he will be better once he isn't being hosed like he is
But I still would like to see him get his issues dealt with a little, and I think Floyd would help with that (am I a dope for thinking Floyd actually has changed?).
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 30, 2011 1:27 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
my hatred for ND
precludes me from liking him. But, in the case, he were to become a Ram and produce like…..let’s say…….Randy Moss, then I’ll consider not hating him
Ok, that's not gonna happen
But am I a dope for buying his changed life story?
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 30, 2011 1:31 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Nah, he might have.
Either way, it really doesn’t matter. It’s the NFL!! Good luck building a team without at least one head case on it. Hell the Jets biggest head case is their head coach!!
I just was watching the game last night
And they were talking about how he has changed who he hangs out with and what he does and I was buying it. That catch he made in the end zone didn’t hurt either
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 30, 2011 1:33 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
That was a great catch. Someone said something earlier about his YAC
I don’t like ND so I normally don’t watch. Is that an issue for him?
That was Lloyd if you're talking about here
But no, Floyd KILLS it in YAC, he’s a best about it
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 30, 2011 1:37 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I meant to say he's a beast
But best works as well
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 30, 2011 1:43 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
C'mon
Lot’s of players outplay the contract they signed. I’m sure you can name quite a few that finally got what they deserved. A long time ago, there was a guy named Marcus Allen. He played for the Raiders and Al Davis. He outplayed his contract, held out briefly, asked for more money. Al Davis sat him on the bench for three years without allowing him to play. He had to practice, travel, dress for the game but didn’t play. When he finally became a free agent, he promptly signed with KC and beat the Raiders unmercifully. Sometimes, playing out your full contract is the right thing to do.
However, when your team is paying big bucks to guys who haven't been with the franchise and then don't perform?
I think DJax was gonna be fine if the Eagles were winning, cause hed understand it was best for the team. However, when you start losing like they were and then the franchise hasn’t even swung you (the best player) at least a bit more money? Id get pissed
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 30, 2011 1:36 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I dont think hes a headcase
Just didn’t feel appreciated and we have to remember these guys are human to. He takes the risk everytime he takes a step on that field and he was being underpaid, while they paid all these other big names, I would have bee pissed as well.
Ignorance is Bliss
by RG31 on Dec 30, 2011 1:35 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
If Lloyd leaves we have to sign a veteran Receiver.
Having Danny Amendola as the most experienced and veteran receiver on the roster (unless they keep Clayton), doesn’t bode well for next year. If Lloyd leaves, we need to open the checkbook for a top tier guy…Bowe, DeSean Jackson, Vincent Jackson or Reggie Wayne. Even if we draft Floyd or even Blackmon, they need help RIGHT NOW to be effective next year.
Here's a question:
Clayton as a coach? I know he isn’t Holt or Bruce, but often the guys who were really good aren’t good as coaches cause it came easier to them. Clayton is supremely intelligent, and isn’t supremely talented so he didn’t have it come easier.
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 30, 2011 1:30 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Get him on receivers, and if I heard right Al Harris is retiring and wants to coach.
Sign em both up and put em in training with ….Jeff Fisher.
smh.
why do people want Jeff Fisher? There is nothing to like about him as a head coach of this team.
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He's a hard nosed take no crap coach
Id like Rob Chud or Jay Gruden, but I’d take Fisher
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 30, 2011 1:39 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Chudzinski actually
So it was even worse
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 30, 2011 1:42 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I'd rather be called chode than micropenis...
but yeah man must’ve sucked hahaha
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It's better than LUTZEKIRKEN
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 30, 2011 1:45 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
yo check the other thread for how idiotic the desire to bring Fisher to STL is.
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Daniels was
the actor in Dumb and Dumber with Jim Carrey. Maybe he’s making a joke that he thinks anything is better than what the Rams have now.
by Sundowner on Dec 30, 2011 2:28 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I'm making the joke
because there was a caption contest with a picture Fisher and Daniels in the same picture. Where were you?
If the Vince Young thing is the only knock on Fisher, I'would take him
in a second. I see Vince Young as a modern day Marcus DuPree at the pro level. He was spoiled and coddled in high school, spoiled and coddled in college and couldn’t take an ass chewing to make him play in a system. He may grow up some day and be a HOF QB, but I side with Fisher on that one. Now that we have handled 6 months of his 20 year career, what are the other knocks on him?
Thank you
As a OU fan, I feel for Marcus after his 30 for 30, but Barry was right: if Marcus woulda just tried, he woulda been the best ever
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 30, 2011 1:57 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
that is not the crux of my argument
the crux of my argument is that Fisher did not adapt his philosophies to his team, that he is conservative, archaic and not an upgrade to Spags.
We complain about Spags all day, and we will complain about Fisher all day. There is almost no difference except Spagnuolo can coach defense and Fisher can manage the clock.
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And, you know, Fisher has a history of (charlie sheen voice) WINNING!
I say it again: he wouldn’t have had to if his owner (who had no business telling him how to build the team) hadn’t forced VY on him
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 30, 2011 2:05 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
yeah 6 season out of 17 is a history of winning
get out of here bro.
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by Infemous on Dec 30, 2011 2:17 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
his biggest knock
is that his understanding of football is rooted in the time of his appointment and he is unwilling, as demonstrated by the VY fiasco and the fact that Tennessee have been very average for a very long time, to evolve with the game.
make those 6 months the last 3 or so years of his career btw.
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Get over VY
VY is a douche who doesn’t put in the work needed of a franchise qb. Stop listening to skip Bayless
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 30, 2011 2:06 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
read my actual points dude.
you’re either demonstrating incredible selective reading or poor reading comprehension.
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I'm reading
And I read: “don’t blame VY, it’s all on fisher”. Its not all on him, sorry, some is, but VY demonstrated over and over he was an immature child (see: fighting with a guy who said Boomer Sooner or something like that to him in a strip club)
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 30, 2011 2:26 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
agreed
VY was immature.
It did not do anything to impede the fact that he was the best player he had at QB on the roster.
Do you seriously spite your team to teach a player a lesson?
You’re also not reading, because there are a million other points I make besides VY with regards to Fisher’s outdated approach to the sport and the fact that the VY thing is the single biggest EXAMPLE of his inability to adapt and put his ego to the side. THE SAME PROBLEM WE HAVE NOW.
I can’t say it any more than I have, I would hope it’d be clear by now.
If you don’t get it, you never will.
Fisher has literally no credentials to boast besides being in a job for 17 years and being entirely average at it. FACT.
There is no disputing or arguing that.
Say whatever the flying jesus you want about VY, it does NOTHING to change the fact that Fisher has only had 6 winning seasons as head coach of the Titans and the FACT that he has demonstrated in the past an inability to evolve with the game. He is stuck in the past.
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Kerry Collins had led them to 12+ wins the year prior, you give him a chance to work it out
And im sorry, but i wouldnt want someone as immature as VY as my qb, do we won’t agree there. Of the options, I think Fisher is the best experienced guy, but I’d prefer Jay or Rob
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 30, 2011 2:50 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
you completely ignored my main points lol
thinking Fisher is the best experienced guy is lobbying for the best of a fuck awful bunch. You recognise this right?
Jay Gruden… meh, Rob… interesting… Fisher… no.
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Fisher was 13 and 3 in 2008
went to the playoffs 6 times and had 6 losing seasons in 16 years. I think the Rams need some serious stability. Fisher has a history of stability and with Bud Adams as an owner…that is impressive. Since 1970, the Steelers have had 3 coaches. The rams have had that many since 2005.
I see where you're coming from now
I want a coach who will win all the time.
Fisher is too mediocre for my tastes. I would argue that if Spagnuolo was given 17 years as head coach of the Rams he could make the playoffs 6 times at LEAST. To finish with that many .500 records is not impressive to me, and crucially, in the latter stages of his time in Tennessee, I have only seen bad things with regards to Fisher.
Personally, I always thought he was a cool dude. Rocking that tache in this day and age is fuckin’ swag, I can dig that Don’t Give a F*ck attitude, however, his recent resume is wholly underwhelming.
That his entire career has been entirely bog standard is also not impressive.
If we’re firing Spags to become a better team, I want us to be significantly better.
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I like the fact he has the "you step outta line, I'll beat the shit out of you" style
He doesnt take shit from his players. He is a good coach, sometimes it’s just time to move on though. Sometimes you just need a break and a change of scenery
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 30, 2011 2:28 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
you're wrong
he’s not like that at all.
It is said that the attitude around the Titans in his last few years was much like an ‘good ol boys club’. A country gentlemans house in which the guys with the rep (his favourite veterans) got away with everything, while the young upstarts were ignored and kept to the side.
Yes he needed a break and a change of scenery, yes he WAS a good coach, but the evidence suggests he has past the point of relevancy, and the scary thing is, is that he has never shown the ability to adapt to situations. He is a fuddy duddy who will anger and frustrate the fans the same way Spags does now.
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That's part of why he needed a rest from football
And the ones he “let get away with things” were guys like Keith Bulluck who he knew he could trust. Look at who his young guys were/are. Chris Johnson (who he had as the feature player) who is only interested in his pocket book, Kenny Britt (need I explain more?) and VY (who attacks people in strip clubs). Those were his big name youngins, I would be pissed and angry at them to
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 30, 2011 2:48 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
i don't have the time to explain it all some more
but the old guys he put trust in were guys like Chris Hope, Cortland Finngan, Michael Griffin, Albert Haynesworth, Kyle Vandenbosch, Derrick Mason, that old TE, Kevin Mawae etc. etc.
It’s a mixed bunch, but the fact is, is they were old.
He also fuckin licked Chris Johnson’s ass and did everything he could to praise the kid. Not a bad thing, but it also put CJ in a position to buttfuck them for a tonne of money.
he NEVER trusted VY (for good reason) and I can’t comment about Britt because I do not know, but there were many a young player languishing low on the depth chart because older vets who were playing poorly were his favourites.
He did not create a winning environment. It was stagnant and buddy buddy to the point of lazy and it was infectious.
You’re completely changing your tack aswell, saying he’s hard nosed and then acknowledging he let them get away with stuff.
I’m done.
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The million dollar question is WHO?
You will NEVER sell me on Jon Gruden, and Cower is happy in the booth (I personally think Gruden is too and will become the next Madden). So basically for NFL guys with experience, the field gets limited. Brian Billick? Norv Turner?(PLEASE NO!!) Mike Sherman? Or do you risk a young Coordinator with no head coaching experience? Or do you stay with Spags? Of the options out there. Fisher seems to be the best IMO. He won’t have a hands on owner breathing down his neck, and even if the current GM is kept(God forbid) Fisher will have the stroke to shut him down on decisions he knows are wrong.
For me, in this equation, and I agree with you on pretty much everything but the 'answer'
is that Spags is the best of that bunch.
Spags has been bad here, but he is young, talented and deserves (through a series of ridiculously unfortunate circumstances) the chance to finish what has been started.
Should he fail next year, the door will rightly be showed.
I don’t see how hiring Fisher has any merit in the long term except for appeasing bloodthirsty fans who are tired of Spags.
For me, Fisher isn’t as good as people say, and I’d worry if he overruled a GM, because quite frankly, his resume of bringing in old guys and not playing young talent is something no one wants to see. His personnel decisions have not been particularly good and I’d rather get a real replacement for Devaney and keep Spags than to get a halfway house such as Fisher.
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No other team would stand for 10-37
Im not going to either
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 30, 2011 2:45 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I didnt mean to if I did
I thought that was his current record
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 30, 2011 2:57 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
it is his current record, you are right
1-15, 7-9, 2-13 as of now= 10-37
fair enough
but would you stand for 6 winning seasons in 17 years?
No other team but the Titans would have and I most certainly wouldn’t/
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He might be the greatest 8-8 coach of all time
I’m not sure how many wins they got in garbage time at the end of the season, but it never seemed that they started strong…….just finished off average
by DCRamFan on Dec 30, 2011 2:47 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
+1
its ridiculous to even consider keeping Spags at all..he has had 3 seasons and hasnt done anything but regress. He sucks time to let him go.
My ONLY issue with Spags is that it seems like
the team has quit on him. The way the Rams have played in the second half of most of the games this year does not reflect the needed adjustments or motivation normally achieved at the half. I am just not sure he can recover the respect of the team at this point.
I will be honest
I simply do not have the time to invest in looking at all the options.
The obvious ones are all terrible. I would like to give Spags one more year to prove us wrong, but I’m a forgiving (and lazy guy).
I think I will scour around when my workload diminishes and put up a post of potential HCs.
We have to look at winning teams though, such as Green Bay, Pittsburgh, New Orleans, Houston etc. for lower profiled upcoming coaches with proven pedigrees. Like Chudzinski but with more experience etc.
For me, I’m a guy who’d rather stick with the devil I know than try and hope a poor candidate pans out.
We forget Spags was the best available candidate at the time, and he has the pedigree to be great, unlike any of the possible replacements we’ve looked at thus far.
He’s only had 3 years, and one is a strike due to the roster rebuild. In one he went 7-9 and the other he has 2 wins and a 3rd looks unlikely. Give him a 3rd year with HIS team and see if this year was an anomaly or the norm. It’ll work itself out naturally that way.
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He went 7-9 with an extremely easy schedule
And if we go back and watch the tape, they made a lot of bad mistakes (that are seen in bad coaching) that we simply looked over cause we won against teams that those mistakes didnt kill us against
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 30, 2011 3:13 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
weren't most of the mistakes simply down to not having the talent to execute at an elite level?
our offense was very bad, but we ignored it due to the rookie QB and lack of weapons outside of SJax.
we had a very good defense that won us games.
Too often, due to the imbalance between the quality on offense and defense, games were decided on fine lines, minute moments that shouldn’t have been.
This is a bye product of youth on the field and in the coaching staff.
All signs indicated to us improving this year with some progression, health and continuity. We didn’t see any of those 3 and only one of those can be blamed on Spags, and that (continuity) is directly linked to the other two.
C’mon man.
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I feel differently
what I’ve seen is a defense that has tried hard all day long, but have if anything been defeated by the offenses futility.
The fact that after the injury blip and resultant massacres, the team has greatly improved on defense. They still play hard and are hamstrung by being on the field ALL DAY.
If we score 21 points a game, I can imagine our record would be about 5 wins better.
Spags is criticised for doing what you’d want a HC to do; allow the OC to call the game, especially if the HC is a defense guy.
His inability to make half time adjustments is the most worrying thing, and would need to be addressed in the off season, but everything else just looks like misfortune in my eyes.
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I'm sorry, this convo had gotten off point when we were talking about Fisher
This shouldn’t be about the replacement (whoever it is, though I want Jay). It should be about Spags. At the end of the day, I turn to what Lombardi (greatest coach and Packer ever) once said: “winning isn’t a SOMETIMES thing (Spags), winning is an ALL THE TIME thing.” I think it’s clear Spags will never be a really good coach. He could turn it around sure, but he won’t ever do better than .500 or so. Id rather give a new guy a go. Another thing Lombardi said that describes how I feel about Spags’ game plans “WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON OUT HERE!”
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 30, 2011 3:01 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I'd have to say that injuries
need to be taken into consideration, in regards to your point about him never being better than .500. Without the devastating amount we had, and I realize it is a part of the game, but we may have managed 8 or more wins this season.
I see a coach who doesn't make overly good personell moves
Who doesn’t make good half time adjustments, who never seems to have a real game plan other than play football, who can’t manage the clock, and who never make calls based on the moment (he punts with 4 minutes when down by 7 for example)
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 30, 2011 3:10 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I understand he's better than some, but he's just not to me ever gonna get anything besides mediocrity
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 30, 2011 3:11 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
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That should read: Note to TST: Remember that 100% of what I say involves BS.
Sorry to get aggy but you literally have only chatted shit all day and you’re commenting for the sake of it. You’re a nice guy etc. but christ you have just made some ignorant ass comments.
YOU DO REALISE EVERYTHING (besides clock management) YOU SAID ABOUT SPAGS RELATES TO JEFF FISHER TOO?
You also realise that you completely overstate the power a head coach has over personnel moves in today’s NFL?
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I defended Fisher because he has won and that's something Spags hasn't done and won't do
And Spags was given a lot of power in personel with this team, thats part of why he chose this team as the one to coach
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 30, 2011 3:20 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I defended Fisher because he has won and that's something Spags hasn't done and won't do
And Spags was given a lot of power in personel with this team, thats part of why he chose this team as the one to coach
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 30, 2011 3:20 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
what'd you see last year?
when we went 7-9 and nearly made the playoffs. We had won 2 games the season prior..
I will say I remember at least one game last year
Against oakland, I distinctly remember this kind of mental error that we see constantly here on this year. We had the Raiders, they threw it out of bounds on 3rd and 10 with a minute and a half or so to go. Robbins delivers a blatantly late and unnecassary hit on the qb, and they get first down and kneel it to end the game. That’s the first one, if we go back and watch the games, I think I will find a lot more like that.
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 30, 2011 3:15 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
That's just one game it happened off the top of my head
And the Steelers, Packers, Ravens, Patriots don’t make that mistake. It’s a matter of mental errors I see constantly in this team.
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 30, 2011 3:18 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
you're comparing
apples to superbowl winning oranges
by DCRamFan on Dec 30, 2011 3:19 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
And I'm looking to win a SB
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 30, 2011 3:24 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
so injuries have NOTHING to do with it?
by DCRamFan on Dec 30, 2011 3:18 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
They do
But the Pack won the SuperBowl with all their injuries, we should at least not get embarrassed in every game we play basically
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 30, 2011 3:21 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
and the list of differences between the rosters is about 999999999999 miles long
YOU CANNOT COMPARE.
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He's been able to build this team how he wanted and what he did was have no depth
Im sorry, I’m just looking for a team that only losses by 3, not 20 every week
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 30, 2011 3:24 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
except that is the GMs job
regardless of Spags ‘having a lot of say’ Spags should not take responsibility to Devaney’s failings.
and I’m looking for a team that does not consider losing as part of their future, losing is losing, and if you actually go beyond surface stats, there is a lot more to be said about the closeness of games.
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You cant just say "well! Injuries! We can't compete even in games!"
We should not get embarrassed constantly
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 30, 2011 3:26 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
never said I was blaming it ALL on injuries
but you’re saying fire the coach because we’re losing. Look at the people we’ve lost…..I can’t guarantee that we’d win more than 8 this year, but I think that was the expectation. Building on last year. I feel that injuries have seriously F’d us, and absolutely contribute in our losses
this.
saying he would never be an above .500 coach is stupid.
The dude did a great job last year with a very limited roster (and a beneficial schedule).
And it’s ignorant to say you want someone gone if there isn’t a better replacement lined up. That’s how you ruin the talent on your roster and put your franchise back a couple years every couple years. It’s precisely what the Redskins did, hire a bum for HC then waste the talent on the roster until they got the guy they wanted. Same thing us before Spags etc. etc.
You HAVE to build a team with a plan. If you fire a guy on assumptions that are ignorant and unfounded and create such uncertainty within the organisation, you doom it to failure.
The hiring of Spags was with the intention of bringing LONG TERM STABILITY.
SMH.
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I don't want long term stability with this guy
Im sorry, but I just can’t buy it. He is unable to do the things that separate Coordinators and Head Coaches. I’d rather give Jay Gruden a try.
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 30, 2011 3:17 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I absolutely agree on long term stability
I just need to know that the team has not given up on him. I know I said it before, but that is my biggest issue. If I were hearing players blow up twitter and other crap like that saying it is injuries and they are behind the coach etc. etc, I would think differently. For me the SILENCE is deafening. I would love to have a situation like the Steelers, 3 coaches in 40 years. Hell, Chuck Noll had a losing record his first 3 years, BUT I need to know the players have his back and have bought what he is selling.
I feel they don't
They seem to go through the motions, and just not care. The Colts and Vikes are winning games and trying, I don’t see it in the Rams
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 30, 2011 3:23 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I'm with you
Torry Holt however stated that the guys adore Spags, and watching Chris Long mic’d up shows that he has not given up on the team, but his head noticeably slumps when observing the offense and special teams suck dick.
I think with regards to twitter, they do not comment on the coaching situation, but until the season was lost, we got many a promise of improvement and they exhibited a desire to succeed. Eventually it felt like injuries and lack of talent coupled with awful coaching (i’m looking at McD here) doomed them to a poor year, and essentially, no matter how fired up they are pre game, they still get beat at half time.
Spags has many a weakness as a coach, however for me, giving him one more year gives him the chance to either be retained or fired without the need for excuses such as injuries, lockout etc.
we may not get the long term stability we need from Spags, but we may put ourselves in a more favourable position to attain it.
Right now, with such a thin coaches market, it would be foolish to go and hire some second rate, underqualified stopgap only to fire him in 2 or 3 years after sucking some more and being back at the same place we were 3 years ago.
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I do like Al, but won't he want to coach the Pack?
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 30, 2011 1:38 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
When they first signed him people thought he would be a mentor
So maybe? Depends
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 30, 2011 1:41 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
jswirb... is that you? xD
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by RG31 on Dec 30, 2011 1:39 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
damnit!
caught me…..welp, onto a new name. So far you’ve successfully eliminated:
- RamChop
JSWIRB, and- DCRamFan
….who will it be next?
Imadouche
That should be your name! Haha
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 30, 2011 1:41 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
it's all about money with DJax, though
and he’s good enough that he’ll draw interest……..from a team who’s willing to pay. That’s not us, IMO
Probably so, just wishful thinking
I think he’s exactly what we need though, speed on the outside that can be a deep threat and actually catch the damn ball. Plus has major return ability..
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by RG31 on Dec 30, 2011 1:43 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Oh, i agree
I’d be boned up for a while if we got him. I’m just taking a more flaccid, realistic approach
And he with Floyd would kick ass
Deep threat and mid level catcher
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 30, 2011 1:44 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
That would be crazy
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by RG31 on Dec 30, 2011 1:47 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
JSWIRB!
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 30, 2011 1:43 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
man, DJax is too spindly to invest too heavily in.
especially with our turf lol swear its made of rocks?
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It's built for speed though
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 30, 2011 1:50 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Sure helps those carts carry our players off speedily
off the field and onto IR
by DCRamFan on Dec 30, 2011 1:54 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
We just need some players who actually are fast
Ans who have knees, then our track will make us fast
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 30, 2011 1:55 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
If I remember right, correct me if I'm not
We changed the turf every year until this year. Coincidence?
That might be just a coincidence; the lockout hindered hiring a little too. Was there more to the working relationship between the brash young coordinator and the control freak head coach?
From making sense to reaching for strawmen.
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by Tempestuous Binary on Dec 30, 2011 3:15 PM CST reply actions
The saddest thing about all of this?
Brandon Lloyd will have netted the most worth to this franchise out of any 5th round pick the Devaney/Spagnuolo regime ever made.
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Going to watch the Caps punish the Sabres tonight
want me to put a pic of Ovie up for ya? He’s quite the looker!
Haha have a good time.
My mom got me an autographed photo of Crosby for Christmas. I got the better pic ;)
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I've just come to realize that this back and forth you and I have going is never going to end.
At least until I hoist another cup…
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at the rate things are going here
I might be able to go to a Caps players house and watch the playoffs with them
Don't be too upset
Jagr scored against us last night and Talbot got the empty netter to seal it. Phuck Philly.
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I kinda agree with this, either him or trade down
And get Alshon or Floyd, the likelihood of a big time FA is get unlikely despite a lot of our hopes and dreams. If Floyd leaves it leaves an even bigger glare in the wr position and might just be a bigger need than line..
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by RG31 on Dec 30, 2011 3:28 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
If lloyd leaves i meant
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by RG31 on Dec 30, 2011 3:31 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Depends how you look at it
I actually think our line were getting better when they were healthy while our wrs were not. But if Kalil is there it would be hard to pass on. Then again if Lloyd leaves I think wr is a bigger need.
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by RG31 on Dec 30, 2011 3:33 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Bradford is so primed for success next year...
Formerly JBaccSTL. Been losing sleep over Rams football since 1999.
I wonder how many 2nd rounders you can get for the #1 overall pick?
because we need like 15 of them
Formerly JBaccSTL. Been losing sleep over Rams football since 1999.
I can see RAC staying as Head coach
and having McDaniels as OC. McDaniels seems to have awful management skills shown during his time at Denver.
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