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NFL Rumors: Tevin's Two Cents On A.J. Smith

This has been a disappointing season for the St. Louis Rams, which is how most of their seasons have been recently. It's looking like the Rams will make front office moves in the coming weeks. According to Albert Breer of the NFL Network, owner Stan Kroenke will likely fire both General Manager Billy Devaney as well as head coach Steve Spagnuolo. As for who will be replacing them, it's all rumor right now.

The most popular name linked with the Rams for the General Manager job is current Chargers General Manager A.J. Smith. Although he is still the Chargers GM, it's likely that the Chargers owner will fire him and the head coach, so they can start anew.

For those who want their leaders to be more outspoken, A.J. Smith will make them happy. He is the opposite of Billy Devaney. Honestly, I wouldn't be excited if the Rams added him. I can't get excited by bringing in a guy who is about to be fired. Especially when everyone is excited that he might bring Jon Gruden or Jeff Fisher. It seems like that would make the Chargers leadership happy.

So since I said my 2 cents, here are some quotes I found on what people think about him. Also, as a little bonus, I will put his last three drafts down below.

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Here is the situation: Ladanian Tomlinson, the former star running back of the Chargers, gave his opinion on Phillip Rivers. Quote of what LT said. From http://www.signonsandiego.com

"I don't know what Philip may be going through right now," said Tomlinson, in his second season with the Jets following his release by the Chargers in February 2010. "But I will say, to me he seems distracted, for some reason. Like on the sideline, he seems like he's just distracted. And I've always said this: It's hard to be 'the guy.' When they say this is your team, it's hard to be the guy, because you get all the questions of what's wrong and what's right. And then you get your teammates who expect certain things from you, and when that doesn't happen, you get strange looks in the locker room. It's hard to be that guy when it's your team, so that may have a little bit to do with what's going on, too."

General manager A.J. Smith was asked about the former running back’s opinion. As is often the case, Smith had his own opinion. And while the G.M. was clearly supporting Rivers, he also fired back by alluding to Tomlinson’s final season-plus here, in which the running back struggled with a diminished role.

Here is the quote from Smith.

"I agree with what LT said about it’s hard being the guy," Smith said. "But I think it’s a lot harder when it’s no longer your team, and you’re not the guy."

Smith also still holds grudges, that is what he said about Eli Manning earlier this season.

"He was a Charger for 45 minutes," Smith said "and that was too much time to be a Charger, in my opinion."

I'm not trying to make the discussion one-sided at all. He did bring in a lot of talent to the Chargers for years. His personality just rubs me the wrong way at times, but that's just me. It's also my opinion that he's been missing out on recent draft picks.

The reason there's not a good quote in favor of AJ Smith, is because I couldn't find much positive being said about him. The big reason people want him is because of what he did in the past; which was pretty damn great, if he had done better with recent drafts, I wouldn't care if the Rams hired him.

Again, I would rather give Billy Devaney another season, but that's just my opinion, let's see what the Rams will do after the season ends.

Here is AJ Smith's recent drafts, starting in 2008, not including this years draft, because it's too early to tell. Honestly I don't think the Rams drafting will get much better under Smith. The only thing that might be different is that the head coach will most likely have to keep some of the players, instead of cutting them prematurely.

2008 - San Diego Chargers
RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL
1 27 Antoine Cason Reclaimed starting spot from rookie Marcus Gilchrist Around Nov this year CB Arizona
3 69 Jacob Hester Hasn't had over 100 yards in a season. FB Louisiana State
5 166 Marcus Thomas cut in 2008 RB Texas-El Paso
6 192 DeJuan Tribble cut in 2008 CB Boston College
7 234 Corey Clark cut in 2009 T Texas A&M

2009 - San Diego Chargers
RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL
1 16 Larry English Has 7 sacks in his career, 43 tackles total DE Northern Illinois
3 78 Louis Vasquez Starting G Texas Tech
4 113 Vaughn Martin starter DT Western Ontario (Canada)
4 133 Tyronne Green gets playing time, maybe starting G Auburn
4 134 Gartrell Johnson cut RB Colorado State
5 148 Brandon Hughes cut CB Oregon State
6 189 Kevin Ellison cut DB USC
7 224 Demetrius Byrd cut WR Louisiana State

2010 - San Diego Chargers
RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL
1 12 Ryan Mathews 1000 yard rusher RB Fresno State
3 79 Donald Butler starter LB Washington
4 110 Darrell Stuckey on the roster DB Kansas
5 146 Cam Thomas backup DT North Carolina
5 168 Jonathan Crompton cut QB Tennessee
7 235 Dedrick Epps cut TE Miami (Fla.)

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Interesting.

Careful what you wish for I guess….same thing with the HC.

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by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Dec 29, 2011 11:22 AM CST reply actions  

AJ Smith

No thank you. This guy would be terrible for this team. Lets go ahead and sell the team to Dan Snyder. His last 3 drafts are not that great at all. I think we have drafted better in the last 3 years.

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by MyACLisBrittle on Dec 29, 2011 11:34 AM CST reply actions  

I love how you ignore him getting Malcom Floyd, Vincent Jackson, Philip Rivers

You just skipped over the big names he’s drafted and brought in.

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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 29, 2011 11:37 AM CST via mobile reply actions  

Yeah, he actually picked Eli, who has a superbowl ring.

Not to mention he’s thrown over 4000 yards for 3 straight seasons. Either QB is a great pick.

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by DuhhhRams! on Dec 29, 2011 12:12 PM CST up reply actions  

so basically he coudn't lose

how is this supposed to be a reason to hire the guy?

by TheBirds on Dec 29, 2011 12:16 PM CST up reply actions  

Because his team is a hell of a lot more talented than ours is.

And even though they haven’t haven’t had a 2nd round pick in 3 years, I’d still say they’ve gotten more out of their last 3 drafts than we have. In 2008 in the 2nd and 3rd, Devaney got us Avery and Greco…… AWESOME. In 2009, he hit big with JL, Fletcher could be good, but it’s hard to tell when he has had 2 major knee injuries. In 2010, Saffold and Murphy, Saffold looked good as a rookie and looked like shit this year and got injured. Murphy has been out 2 seasons now. Not to mention how many total busts has Devaney managed to sign for us in the FA? Yeah, there may be better options at GM than Smith, but Smith is still better than Devaney.

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by DuhhhRams! on Dec 29, 2011 12:27 PM CST up reply actions  

He made a good thing out of Eli having a huge head

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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 29, 2011 12:13 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Don't forget to mention that in that Eli trade

It was Archie Manning that was strong arming the situation, as he called Smith and told him that his son would not play for them if they drafted Eli.
Also, Smith drafted Shawn Merrimen with that extra pick. Looked good for the first few years.

by CaliRamMan on Dec 29, 2011 12:26 PM CST up reply actions  

And turned not good cause of an injury no one could have seen coming

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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 29, 2011 12:30 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Like Jason Smith?

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by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Dec 29, 2011 12:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Jason Smith has never been good.

Shawn Merrimen was a stud, maybe even the best OLB in the league for 3-4 years before his downward spiral.

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by DuhhhRams! on Dec 29, 2011 12:55 PM CST up reply actions  

Smith has shown ability in the past.

He’s missed more than half the games in two of his first three seasons in the NFL. I think that has held him back more than anything. Merriman was great for one year, really good for one year and has done nothing since. Not a whole lot of difference…..maybe due to a lack of PEDs?

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by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Dec 29, 2011 1:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Merriman made All Pro and Pro Bowl 3 years, so he had 3 good years.

We’ve gotten 0 productive years out of Smith and we paid more money for him.

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by DuhhhRams! on Dec 29, 2011 1:13 PM CST up reply actions  

that was a horrible top 10 though

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by Tevin Broner on Dec 29, 2011 1:14 PM CST up reply actions  

And after his third year, he's been a bust.

Just sayin’.

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by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Dec 29, 2011 1:19 PM CST up reply actions  

Still a better choice than Smith is what I'm sayin.

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by DuhhhRams! on Dec 29, 2011 1:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Probably

But not definitely.

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by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Dec 29, 2011 1:27 PM CST up reply actions  

Definitely IMO.

3 Pro bowl years and then nothing > nothing and then more nothing.

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by DuhhhRams! on Dec 29, 2011 1:29 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Smith has had a rough START to his career.

Merriman has been nothing for the past 4 years after being busted for PEDs. Smith COULD turn it around, whereas the likelihood of Merriman doing the same is minimal.

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by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Dec 29, 2011 2:34 PM CST up reply actions  

coulda woulda shoulda.

If Smith turns it around somewhere else, that’s fine. Maybe he’ll even make a decent guard. But when you draft a guy to be a franchise LT, and you pay him as such, and then he can’t even be a decent RT, that is a terrible pick.

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by DuhhhRams! on Dec 29, 2011 2:35 PM CST up reply actions  

So, I agree that almost no matter what....

….Smith is not gonna be what we expected him to be. But to be a solid contributor would be better than nothing (Merriman) and he’s got time to do that. And again, his injuries have hurt his progress, but if he can overcome the soft noodle, then he could turn out ok.

And the pick was a good one, the outcome was terrible.

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by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Dec 29, 2011 2:53 PM CST up reply actions  

MERRIMAN WAS A PRO BOWLER

For the average career span of an NFL player, then he had injuries. Even after his injuries, he was a starting LB

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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 29, 2011 2:55 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Merriman was a great pick at the time too.

And he turned out infinitely better until recent troubles. You will never convince anyone that Jason Smith is the better pick than Shawn Merriman. Ever. It’s ridiculous. We could drop Smith and be better off than nothing, because then we would at least be done with his contract. And we can pick up any decent RT in the FA who could contribute as much or more for half the price.

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by DuhhhRams! on Dec 29, 2011 2:58 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree about the contract.

Considering the $$$, it’s probably best to cut ties with him. And I don’t think I said that Smith was even close to being as productive as Merriman, just that Merriman wasn’t “all that.”

And the fact that he was a pro bowler for the lifespan of an average NFLer doesn’t seem like a good arguement, but at least he was highly productive at some point in his career, which Smith has not been…..yet.

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by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Dec 29, 2011 3:52 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm not saying Merriman is the shit, he was at one point.

I’m just sayin he was a better pick than smith has been so far….. What are we arguing about again? lol

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by DuhhhRams! on Dec 29, 2011 3:57 PM CST up reply actions  

LOL!
What are we arguing about again?

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by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Dec 29, 2011 4:02 PM CST up reply actions  

The average career span of an average player is 3 yrs

Let me drop some knowledge on you boy

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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 29, 2011 1:23 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

That makes ZERO sense.

Unless you’re making the claim that Merriman is average. In which case, you just made my case.

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by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Dec 29, 2011 1:27 PM CST up reply actions  

He's saying Merriman was a pro bowler as long as the average football players career.

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by DuhhhRams! on Dec 29, 2011 1:30 PM CST up reply actions  

Thank you for being able to understand how to put a sentence together

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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 29, 2011 2:17 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

And then.......

……..nothing? Maybe his being drafted is equivocal on Smith’s resume?

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by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Dec 29, 2011 2:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Smith's resume has nothing.

At least Merriman is a has been, instead of a never was.

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by DuhhhRams! on Dec 29, 2011 2:36 PM CST up reply actions  

He seems to feel Smith is just hurt all the time

And he didn’t see how bad Smith was when he was playing

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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 29, 2011 2:47 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

To be fair.....

…..Smith hasn’t had the opportunity to become great, or even good because of the injuries. And I don’t disagree with the fact that he’s been a huge disappointment. But Merriman isn’t much either (nowadays).

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by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Dec 29, 2011 2:55 PM CST up reply actions  

But MERRIMAN was great

Smith hasn’t been and I remember him waving as Babin went straight to rape Sam up the ass this year. Since Smith is gonna be healthy and fine after his injury, I’m gonna say it: I’m kinda glad he got hurt. It forced Spags to take his sorry ass of the field. If he wast fine, I would never say that, but he’s gonna be fine, so its no long term harm to him

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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 29, 2011 2:58 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Injury hasn't helped, but he has shown nothing while healthy either.

And it doesn’t appear that he is improving at all, maybe even getting worse, though that is hard to believe.

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by DuhhhRams! on Dec 29, 2011 2:59 PM CST up reply actions  

he's an asshole...

he seems like the type to let players go over contract situations, and we all know that JL, and chris long, along with other up coming free agents are going to want to get paid. i dont mind outspoken gm’s, but this dude gets personal. i dont like him. next.

by Mark Jaramillo on Dec 29, 2011 11:44 AM CST reply actions  

He doesn't like when guys want more than they are worth

Like Vincent Jackson thinking he deserves to be paid like Larry Fitzgerald

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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 29, 2011 11:46 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

What's wrong with looking at the last three years of his handiwork?

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by Eric Nagel on Dec 29, 2011 11:49 AM CST up reply actions  

He skipped this year, and doesnt point out when someone is actually really good, he just says "starter"

And let’s take a look at FA as well, cause I bet he does better than FA. Saying a FB hasn’t had over a 100 yrds is weird, cause FB is a blocking position. That’s like saying “well Dahl has never thrown a touchdown!”

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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 29, 2011 11:54 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

His record doesn't look any better than Devaney's.

But you like him? Seems inconsistent, which is normal for you.

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by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Dec 29, 2011 12:08 PM CST up reply actions  

He's built a team that hasn't missed the playoffs since 2003

way better record than Devaney. Also the Chargers have built one of the more talented teams in the NFL.

by Brick Top on Dec 29, 2011 12:12 PM CST up reply actions  

Agreed.

You cant’ question the talent on the Chargers and AJ Smith is a big part of that.

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by DuhhhRams! on Dec 29, 2011 12:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Which is questionably due to his drafting prowess.

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by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Dec 29, 2011 12:57 PM CST up reply actions  

Combination of drafting/FA/UDFA.

He has an abrasive personality to be sure, but he finds talent. Truthfully I don’t care who we get as GM so much as we get rid of Devaney.

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by DuhhhRams! on Dec 29, 2011 12:59 PM CST up reply actions  

Couldn't agree more with this:
Truthfully I don’t care who we get as GM so much as we get rid of Devaney.

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by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Dec 29, 2011 1:09 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm not comparing him to Billy D Brick Top.

Billy D is tremendously bad. I’m just saying he doesn’t exactly look like a super duper GM on his way in. He’s got plenty of skeletons in his closet.

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by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Dec 29, 2011 12:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Actually you did compare him to Billy D

“His record doesn’t look any better than Devaney’s.”

by Brick Top on Dec 29, 2011 2:58 PM CST up reply actions  

I'll say right now, I'd rather have John Dorsey

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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 29, 2011 11:55 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Actually, he's gotten starters

Thats more than BD.

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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 29, 2011 11:58 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Like Long, Smith, Laurinaitis, Fletch, Sam, Saffold

They sound the same to me.

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by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Dec 29, 2011 12:09 PM CST up reply actions  

That's funny, cause after that you have no one

And the Chargers are much much deeper than the Rams. Lots of backups he has their would start here

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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 29, 2011 12:14 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

That's cause he's been there a whole lot longer.

Look, I’m not saying that Smith wouldn’t be an upgrade over Billy Devaney. Just about anyone would be a HUGE upgrade over Billy D. I’m just saying that we’re not exactly picking up a superstar GM here. So SD has more guys than us because Smith has been better than our GMs for longer.

But is he really that good?

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by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Dec 29, 2011 12:59 PM CST up reply actions  

T.Ram suggests we give Billy D another year, which just sounds aweful to me.

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by DuhhhRams! on Dec 29, 2011 1:02 PM CST up reply actions  

I'd rather do that

If it doesn’t happen oh well.

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by Tevin Broner on Dec 29, 2011 1:07 PM CST up reply actions  

I am all for showing Billy D the door sooner rather than later.

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by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Dec 29, 2011 1:10 PM CST up reply actions  

His first years in San Diego were AMAZING

BD’s have been BD like

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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 29, 2011 1:25 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

This is in 3 years drafting.

How many starters has he got in 3 years

by Bralidore on Dec 29, 2011 2:54 PM CST up reply actions  

and again, you can't really say he had a choice in the Philip Rivers matter

as for starters, Deveney has gotten Sam, JL, Fletcher, Quinn, Saffold.

At least in recent history Smith has sucked at drafting, which makes you question if he just got lucky with Jackson and Floyd.

by TheBirds on Dec 29, 2011 12:05 PM CST up reply actions  

He picked Eli, who is doing better than Rivers this year, and has a superbowl ring.

Either guy is a great option at QB, so that argument doesn’t work.

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by DuhhhRams! on Dec 29, 2011 12:17 PM CST up reply actions  

What people forget here is hindsite.

How long did it take Eli and Floyd to really get going in the league not to mention their both at the the top of their games.

by Bralidore on Dec 29, 2011 2:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Well Eli had to take his starting job from Warner, that's just not fair lol.

And Floyd was an undrafted rook, how often do you expect them to come in and just blow up (Victor Cruz being the freakish exception)? Especially at WR, which even high round drafted WRs usually take several years to develop.

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by DuhhhRams! on Dec 29, 2011 3:01 PM CST up reply actions  

Have to agree the KSR

He also drafted Merriman, who was lights out for a few years. Eric Weddle who is a stud. Michael Turner, who is a stud. Signed Gates as a UDFA.. This list goes on that is far superior to Billy D

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by clwxz5 on Dec 29, 2011 12:09 PM CST up reply actions  

You can't just throw out his amazing work

Cause heres my question: what had Devaney done in his first 3, that compares to Aj’s first 3

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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 29, 2011 12:15 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

How can you compare a 10-36 record to the Chargers...

being close to the playoffs the last three years.

If Bradford turns out to be a stud (which he should) it was the obvious the pick… He doesn’t get that much credit for it.

And I’ll agree that JL is a stud. The book is still out for Quinn, Saffold, Sam and Fletcher. They may be starters, but are they quality?

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by clwxz5 on Dec 29, 2011 12:16 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, plus all of his draft choices that have worked out in ANY way

Are from the top 3 rounds, where as AJ: found Malcom and Antonio in UDFA, and found Tolbert just to name 3 off the top of my head

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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 29, 2011 12:18 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

I don't know if I credit the GM for those types of moves

I feel like UDFAs are mostly the result of some lower level scouts getting the guys they thought were underrated into camp and seeing who sticks. Sure Smith had to sign off on inviting the guys, but that’s a pretty low risk move.

by TheBirds on Dec 29, 2011 12:41 PM CST up reply actions  

But who hires scouts?

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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 29, 2011 1:26 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Smith was a scout before GM.

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by DuhhhRams! on Dec 29, 2011 1:28 PM CST up reply actions  

I meant that Smith hired those scouts I bet

Thats a job of a GM if im not mistaken

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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 29, 2011 1:37 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Ah. I would assume GM is responsible for hiring his scouts.

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by DuhhhRams! on Dec 29, 2011 1:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Drafted Cro... who is a quality CB

Antwann Barnes… quality OLB-11 sacks this year
Shaun Phillips… stud OLB
Nick Hardwick… pro bowl C

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by clwxz5 on Dec 29, 2011 12:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Measuring Hester's worth by saying "hasn't had over 100 yards rushing" in disingenuous.

There aren’t many FBs who get over 100 yards rushing since Alstott retired, that is not their priority. Hester is a solid FB, he’s a good run blocker and solid in pass protection and doesn’t get many touches because they have Mathews and Tolbert.

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by DuhhhRams! on Dec 29, 2011 12:07 PM CST reply actions  

Thanks, that what I was saying

Cause it’s like “well Dahl doesnt throw touchdowns” is about the same kind of statement

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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 29, 2011 12:16 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

This argument is becomming too much of a Smith or Devaney debate

we need to look for options outside of these two losers. The fact that we’re arguing whether or not Smith has outperformed Devaney, a gm who has gotten very little from his drafts, is a bad sign.

There is a reason Smith is available.

by TheBirds on Dec 29, 2011 12:26 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

I think I'd rather have someone other than Smith as well, but if he is our only choice, I'd take him over Devaney.

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by DuhhhRams! on Dec 29, 2011 12:31 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree I'd rather have Dorsey

But this article is about AJ Smith, and I feel he was being made to look worse than he is

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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 29, 2011 12:32 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

That's why I put this in the article.

I’m not trying to make the discussion one-sided at all. He did bring in a lot of talent to the Chargers for years. His personality just rubs me the wrong way at times, but that’s just me. It’s also my opinion that he’s been missing out on recent draft picks.

The reason there’s not a good quote in favor of AJ Smith, is because I couldn’t find much positive being said about him. The big reason people want him is because of what he did in the past; which was pretty damn great, if he had done better with recent drafts, I wouldn’t care if the Rams hired him.

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by Tevin Broner on Dec 29, 2011 12:40 PM CST up reply actions  

Dorsey? Who is that sounds familar

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by Tevin Broner on Dec 29, 2011 12:45 PM CST up reply actions  

The Packers head of scouting

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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 29, 2011 1:36 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

That would be ideal.

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by DuhhhRams! on Dec 29, 2011 1:43 PM CST up reply actions  

You make Spags look worse than he is all the time.

What’s the difference? Dude selected Larry English in the first round. What’s to like about that? He’s put together a team that has gone from elite to a non-playoff team. What’s to like about that? Dude’s gonna get fired from his current team. What’s so desirsable about him?

Again, he’s better than Billy D, but we should be searching elsewhere. I like your idea about Dorsey.

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by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Dec 29, 2011 1:04 PM CST up reply actions  

hard to make spags look worse than he is.

Good DC, terrible HC.

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by DuhhhRams! on Dec 29, 2011 1:05 PM CST up reply actions  

He was a coach of the year candidate last year.

Is he not that guy still?

We shouldn’t go there….nevermind, let’s let this one go.

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by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Dec 29, 2011 1:14 PM CST up reply actions  

yeah, against the easiest schedule in the NFL he went 7-9 and flopped against Seahawks.....

That hurt to type….

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by DuhhhRams! on Dec 29, 2011 1:22 PM CST up reply actions  

But he took a 1-15 team to respectability overnight.

Again, PLEASE let this go :)

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by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Dec 29, 2011 1:25 PM CST up reply actions  

And then took us right back where we were.

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by DuhhhRams! on Dec 29, 2011 1:28 PM CST up reply actions  

As Lombardi once said

Winning isn’t a SOMETIME THING (the 7-9 year) it’s an ALL THE TIME THING

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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 29, 2011 1:30 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Cause of injuries.....

…….please please please with ketchup and mustard?

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by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Dec 29, 2011 2:37 PM CST up reply actions  

excuses.

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by DuhhhRams! on Dec 29, 2011 3:02 PM CST up reply actions  

i think we can agree.

circumstances were much different this year..

by Bralidore on Dec 29, 2011 2:40 PM CST up reply actions  

I think that was more Shurmur at this point

Cause despite Spags being a conservative control freak, he still had this offense that has almost no talent playing viably

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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 29, 2011 1:29 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

You sure that was Spags?

Or could it have been Billy?

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by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Dec 29, 2011 2:38 PM CST up reply actions  

Who makes Spags look worse all the time?

I been said that Spags deserves one more year.

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by Tevin Broner on Dec 29, 2011 1:06 PM CST up reply actions  

I was replying to KSR.

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by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Dec 29, 2011 1:13 PM CST up reply actions  

His record over his time here is 10-36 and so is BD's

What is the Chargers record while AJ smith has been there?

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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 29, 2011 1:28 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

They had different starting points.

Not a fair comparison.

Again, I like the idea of replacing Devaney, not Spags though.

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by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Dec 29, 2011 2:40 PM CST up reply actions  

both started

with an early draft pick

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by clwxz5 on Dec 29, 2011 3:41 PM CST up reply actions  

But were the Chargers "historically bad?"

I suggest not.

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by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Dec 29, 2011 3:45 PM CST up reply actions  

Spags has the worst win % in Franchise history :)

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by DuhhhRams! on Dec 29, 2011 3:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Again....

….that’s not a fair comparison considering the hand he was dealth when he got here.

I’m not gonna keep arguing this point, y’all have your opinions and I have mine. I’m just saying that the first year was an out and out wash. The good thing is that at least in 2009 we weren’t getting lambasted every game. Then he was a great coach in 2010, garnering consideration for coach of the year. Then this past year, we sucked again, which can be (partially at least) ascribed to injuries.

I want to give Spags one more year to see which coach he is. Is he the coach of the year candidate he was in 2010? Or is he the coach of a crappy team he was in 2011? That’s all I wanna see. We’re not gonna be “good” for awhile probably, so I think it’s worth waiting for. I truly, truly, truly understand where the Spags hating is coming from and why y’all think he should be fired. I’m just not 100% on board with it. If Spags can’t right the ship next year, then I’ll be on the bandwagon with y’all, but not quite yet.

On the other hand, I believe Billy D sucks and he should be gone immediately.

All I’m saying.

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by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Dec 29, 2011 3:59 PM CST up reply actions  

meh, odds are they are both out regardless.

Stoked to see the replacements.

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by DuhhhRams! on Dec 29, 2011 4:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Rec'd

this is it.

They both suck. Get us someone good.

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by Infemous on Dec 29, 2011 2:13 PM CST up reply actions  

I'll say this...

I dislike AJ Smith as a GM for a few reasons. He ostracized Marty Schottenheimer several times, which forced Marty to go to Mr. Spanos (team owner) and complain. They were in constant disagreements. The thing that sucked is that after one of their best seasons, Smith and Marty got into it and basically forced Mr. Spanos to look at his relationships…Adios Mr. Schottenheimer. I don’t like it when a GM has trouble working with his HC.
He would discount his best players, when it came time to addressing their contracts.
LT was the face of the franchise for years, and AJ wouldn’t give the guy the time of day two years before they parted ways. Marcus McNeil, Shawn Merrimen, and Vincent Jackson have all experienced it. I am not a fan of a GM distancing the teams star players.
I think AJ gets too much credit for the success of their players.
Take Gates for example, he was brought in as an undrafted FA and has had great success, yet it doesn’t get mentioned that their TE coach is one of the best in the biz. The guy has had a legacy of developing pass catching TE’s.
My voice would be NO to AJ Smith. Not at a point in the franchise where we are trying to develop an identity.

by CaliRamMan on Dec 29, 2011 12:40 PM CST reply actions  

I feel the same way.

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by Tevin Broner on Dec 29, 2011 12:42 PM CST up reply actions  

Nice post.

I’m praying that Spanos doesn’t fire him and we can just forget about all of this.

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by FailureDrill on Dec 29, 2011 2:05 PM CST via Android app up reply actions  

Thanks

Having several friends in San Diego, I hear more about the Chargers than I care to.

by CaliRamMan on Dec 30, 2011 12:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Honestly, I don't know who the UDFA's he brought in recently are.

I just went by his track record, and used some stuff Charger blogs and websites said. He was great in the past, but recently hasn’t been as good.

Honestly, I would rather keep Billy D, but like I said above it probably won’t be that much difference in the draft process.

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by Tevin Broner on Dec 29, 2011 12:44 PM CST reply actions  

is it really fair to judge GMs by their UDFA pickups ?

obviously GMs delegate a lot of their responsibilities, and I have to think at the UDFA level they barely spend any thought on the guys. This is all just speculation though.

Serious question, maybe I’m just being naive.

by TheBirds on Dec 29, 2011 12:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Smith drafted Drew Brees didn't he?

Brees left after his shoulder surgery but I think that Smith thought that Rivers would be better. This last year, the Chargers drafted Cory Liuget who Devaney probably would have drafted if Quinn wasn’t available.

I don’t like Smith’s controversial nature, however.

by Mister T on Dec 29, 2011 12:49 PM CST reply actions  

Controversial nature

I look at it differently. It shows he has heart. Not a lot of management at Ed Jones have heart.

Just cause he isn’t afraid to speak his mind when he’s frustrated, doesn’t mean we shouldn’t hire him. How come Devaney hasn’t spoken out about the coaching staff, players not giving it their all, etc.? I’d say that’s a negative aspect in this situation.

I say spin the tires, if noone is better, then take AJ Smith.

by 81 Witness on Dec 29, 2011 1:00 PM CST up reply actions  

Agreed, there's absolutely no accountability in our current FO.

Smith doesn’t go about it the right way, but at least he does something.

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by DuhhhRams! on Dec 29, 2011 1:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Smith always defends his team.

I never seen him or heard about him talking bad about his team or saying something should change.

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by Tevin Broner on Dec 29, 2011 1:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Agreed

He digs into players when they are putting themselves before the team (like VJax and Marcus McNeil when they held out for way more than they were worth). He bashed LT a little, but we don’t know if LT was being a jerk about them asking him to be more of a reserve

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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 29, 2011 1:32 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

difference between heart and being an idiot

the dude alienates everyone and does things in spite of people.

You wonder how the Chargers despite all that talent don’t succeed? Look at how dysfunctional the roster is and the organisation.

There is a cultural issue in San Diego that the GM hasn’t stamped out.

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by Infemous on Dec 29, 2011 2:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Having heart..

doesn’t mean alienating players. Spags gets in guys asses behind closed doors as has been said multiple times

by Bralidore on Dec 29, 2011 2:44 PM CST up reply actions  

That sounds so dirty.

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by DuhhhRams! on Dec 29, 2011 3:03 PM CST up reply actions  

He was once good.

But like when a player loses a step it’s time to hang it up! And why isn’t Drew Brees still on the team, I would take him over Rivers any day.AJ use to make great picks but lets them go to other teams. Saying he’s better then BD,well most are better then him.

by Ramfan4life on Dec 29, 2011 1:06 PM CST reply actions  

Especially after a shoulder injury that required surgery.

Brees wanted a big long term contract with all kinds of guaranteed money, Smith wasn’t willing to wager big on a quarterback right after shoulder surgery. It makes sense. And Rivers has had some of the best numbers of any QB in the NFL until this year.

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by DuhhhRams! on Dec 29, 2011 1:19 PM CST up reply actions  

Rivers was playing like Marino last year without VJax

He was a viable MVP candidate if his special teams hadn’t sucked the big one

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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 29, 2011 1:34 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Brees wasn't playing the way he is now when he was with the Chargers.

He still was playing well, but it wasn’t like he is now, which is crazy good.

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by DuhhhRams! on Dec 29, 2011 2:25 PM CST up reply actions  

he plays this well thanks to the system he and Payton built

he wouldn’t fit in Norv’s system so well.

The Saints offense is not built for Brees, but BY him. Perfect situation for him.

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by Infemous on Dec 29, 2011 2:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Yup. Now lets just see if they can beat the Packers haha

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by DuhhhRams! on Dec 29, 2011 2:28 PM CST up reply actions  

lol yup.

Look forward to watching those two plays. I think it comes down to homefield advantage.

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by Infemous on Dec 29, 2011 2:30 PM CST up reply actions  

If the Packers D can get hot like they did in the playoffs last season

I can see another superbowl win coming their way.

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by DuhhhRams! on Dec 29, 2011 2:32 PM CST up reply actions  

yup

the NFC championship game will be the superbowl in my opinion.

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by Infemous on Dec 29, 2011 2:37 PM CST up reply actions  

dont' count out the Ravens, when they play up to their potential they are great.

Just way inconsistent. It’s going to take a great defense to even stand a chance at beating whichever NFC team makes the superbowl.

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by DuhhhRams! on Dec 29, 2011 3:04 PM CST up reply actions  

never with Flacco at QB.

dude just doesn’t seem to have IT.

and the best D vs the pack is an offense lol

I don’t know how KC did it, that’s an anomaly.

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by Infemous on Dec 29, 2011 3:26 PM CST up reply actions  

The best D against the pack is a strong run game

And Ray Rice has that. I think the Ravens D can hold the pack in check just enough for Rice and the Ravens offense to grind up clock and put up enough to win.

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by DuhhhRams! on Dec 29, 2011 3:47 PM CST up reply actions  

this is true, but should Rodgers dice their secondary in the 4th

I truly doubt Flacco’s ability to drive the Ravens into the endzone. In fact, the only thing I have confidence in him driving is a stake through the collective hearts of Ravens fans’ dreams and aspirations lol

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by Infemous on Dec 29, 2011 5:30 PM CST up reply actions  

You

mean like Billy D did with Sam?

by RWRAMS28 on Dec 29, 2011 1:37 PM CST up reply actions  

We took Sam cause of how Brees turned out

There wasn’t a precedent for Brees

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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 29, 2011 1:41 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Brees

is the exception not the rule. For every Brees there is a Pennington. The surgeries are sucessful but sometimes is never just the same as before. Billy D took a chance on Sam which people were happy with. The real reason he took him was because they wanted to draw fan interest not because Brees was a success. I did not agree with the pick but as a fan I rolled with it and cheer Sam just as I would anyone else. There is no such thing as a no brainer pick. However some GM’s have a knack to surround themselves with guys who have an eye for talent in terms of the type of coaches on staff. This regime did very well defensively but really screwed the pooch switching from WC to McHoody. Even with the lack of talent on this squad compared to most if we still ran the WC I honestly think we could have been 9-7.

by RWRAMS28 on Dec 29, 2011 1:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Maybe, but we'd need the ball to bounce our way a bit

And we need to have Lloyd, Clayton work out, DX healthy, and Danny. In other words we needed a miracle

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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 29, 2011 2:07 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

True

enough. I think that the biggest problem this year was the changing of offensive styles. IMHO if we stayed wc I don’t think we are tlaking about who is the next HC or GM. The injuries still would have hurt but not to the degree they did. I do nto think Spags is that bad of an HC as proven by how he had the team perform last year. Just as any HC he has some learning to do as shown by the last game of last year. This year I think he was copletely overwhelmed. I still contend no other coach past or present could have had a winning or even a 500 record under the circumstances surounding this team this year.

by RWRAMS28 on Dec 29, 2011 2:32 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't think many coaches could have done worse though.

We’ve only won 2 games, you can’t do much worse.

We only managed 7 wins last year because we had one of the easiest schedules in the NFL, and still couldn’t break .500. The only decent team we beat last year was the Chargers.

The Combined record of the teams we beat in 2010: 39 – 73 (.348)

….. Wow that’s even worse than I thought before I did the math.

Shit, the combined records of the teams that beat us weren’t impressive either 76-58 (.567).

So just forget about last year. Last year was not good, any decent team would have done better than us last year. We managed to get 2nd place in the worst division in the NFL. Spags has to go. There are so many other better options at HC.

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by DuhhhRams! on Dec 29, 2011 2:52 PM CST up reply actions  

And

so many better opitions at LT, QB, DT, DB ect

by RWRAMS28 on Dec 29, 2011 3:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Yes, and we should bring in a new LT and O line, DTs and DBs.

So why shouldn’t we bring in a new HC? We are stuck with Bradford whether anyone likes it or not, and hopefully he can bounce back from this shit year, but Spags is gone.

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by DuhhhRams! on Dec 29, 2011 3:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Not

disagreeing with your logic just saying to put this all on Spags is a bit to easy. So many want to say Spags sucks. I don’t think he is that bad. I think this year has soured his rep a bit. Now on the other hand I am not saying he is Parcells, Lombardi, Shula or a great HC. This year was a train wreck period. To go 2-13 at this point takes a collective groups effort in the entire organization as well as shitty luck. If people cannot acknowledge that then you don’t know the game.

by RWRAMS28 on Dec 29, 2011 3:23 PM CST up reply actions  

He makes bad calls, questionable decisions, does not make halftime adjustments, or they are just terrible if they are made.

This is not just this year. We blew an 11 point lead over TB last year in the 2nd half, we got shut out the 2nd half against the seahawks, . We almost blew the Saints game this year in the 2nd half. Even when our team plays well, he does not make adjustments, or he makes bad adjustments. Last year, Spags BEST year, we were outscored 162-116 in the 2nd half. This year, outscored 196-78 in the 2nd half. He is incapable of making halftime adjustments, or he is just worse than the other coaches.

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by DuhhhRams! on Dec 29, 2011 3:45 PM CST up reply actions  

The

problem with saying these games are easy wins is BS. At the end of the day it’s the NFL and on any given week anyone can win. The Dolphins record still stands for a reason. He went from 1 win to 7 which is an improvement. Heck only 2 other coaches beat the Saints this year. I ever said anyone could have done worse but insert Gruden, Fisher, whoever THIS year and it wouldn’t make much of a difference that’s my point. Fastforward to next year. New GM who can evaluate talent for the system they are going to run and get back even half the guys on IR from this year and they stay healthy this team will be much imporved and has nothing to do with who will coach next year.

by RWRAMS28 on Dec 29, 2011 3:18 PM CST up reply actions  

I didn't say they were easy wins, but we obviously had an advantage over the teams we managed to beat.

We are unable to beat any team that is even half decent. We had a fluke game against the Saints that Spags has not been able to duplicate. We managed to beat the Chargers last year. I can’t remember the last time we played decent in the 2nd half of a football game Spags has coached, even the Saints game we almost let them back in it in the 2nd half. He is a good DC, and will be a good DC again for whichever team takes him, but he has shown in 3 years that he cannot handle being a HC, he has the worst win % of any HC in the HISTORY OF OUR FRANCHISE. Why the hell should we stick with him? Almost anyone else could do better.

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by DuhhhRams! on Dec 29, 2011 3:27 PM CST up reply actions  

Not really. We had to take Sam, and he had over a year to recover.

Chargers had Philip Rivers, who they had just got in the draft, and was ready to start. Brees was injured in the last game of the season, and there was no guarantee he would be able to recover in time to be effective to start the season. Pretty different situations.

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by DuhhhRams! on Dec 29, 2011 1:42 PM CST up reply actions  

I'd rather get a new up and comer anyway.

Maybe someone who is a step down from GM and a good scout

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by Tevin Broner on Dec 29, 2011 1:13 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

this.

rec’d.

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by Infemous on Dec 29, 2011 2:16 PM CST up reply actions  

isnt he the guy that

got rid of shottenheimer after they went 14-2?

by Tampa_Ram on Dec 29, 2011 1:30 PM CST reply actions  

What happended in the playoffs that year?

Shotty lost again. Some times you have to say, as good as we are with this coach, he isn’t gonna take us over the top and we gotta take a risk to try and get better

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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 29, 2011 1:35 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Still, he felt that Norv knew football (which he is a very smart offensive guy)

But he suffers from Spags’ “never hold anyone accountable”. He took a shot with a guy he felt was football smart who could make the play calls in situations where they would win

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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 29, 2011 1:39 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

If

Spags held guys accountable this year there wouldn’t be a team to watch. LOL

by RWRAMS28 on Dec 29, 2011 1:40 PM CST up reply actions  

lmao

very true. spags gives every guy a pat on the back and says “youll get em next time tiger” then moves on.

by Tampa_Ram on Dec 29, 2011 1:41 PM CST up reply actions  

True, but Id rather not watch then watch him pat Cadillac on the head

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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 29, 2011 1:41 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

maybe he's holding guys accountable

just not to the media. Not sure I would want that out of a coach.

by TheBirds on Dec 29, 2011 1:41 PM CST up reply actions  

He pats guys on the head

Just chew a guy out ONCE! Embarrass them ONCE!

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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 29, 2011 1:42 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

ikr

ive been waiting 3 years for him to do that. still nothing

by Tampa_Ram on Dec 29, 2011 1:43 PM CST up reply actions  

he got rid of Incognito after Linehan refused to do so for years

he’s also benched some players this year, like Jason Brown.

But yeah, he doesn’t yell at grown men.

by TheBirds on Dec 29, 2011 1:45 PM CST up reply actions  

He benched a guy who didn't want to play

He hasn’t ever gotten on a guy during a game

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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 29, 2011 1:47 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

ooooo Spags is better than Linehan. Awesome.

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by DuhhhRams! on Dec 29, 2011 1:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Spags does a lot of good things on defense

but also a lot of bad things in game decision making and whatever personnel duties he has. But there are also a lot of imaginary problems with Spags that people contrive, such as not passion or believing in the heart of the cards or whatever.

I wouldn’t be too sad to see Spags go, but I wouldn’t expect the next guy we hire to change much as long as Devaney and McDaniels are screwing things up.

by TheBirds on Dec 29, 2011 1:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Hey, dont insult of the Heart of The Cards

I grew up on that show, and I hated how they ruined it at the end. And I’m not saying Spags doesn’t have heart, but I’m sick of his game plans (does he even have any), the mental errors this team makes (even the vets), and his in game decisions

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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 29, 2011 1:52 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

i like our D for the most part, but they are wildly inconsistent.

Spags has so many faults you don’t need to start speculating on the stuff that is impossible to know. He has to go.

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by DuhhhRams! on Dec 29, 2011 1:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Record wise he isn't actually

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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 29, 2011 1:51 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

That's a short sighted analysis.

I think you have other reasons for wanting Spags gone, but the record by itself isn’t a very good reason IMO.

It’s just piling onto a guy who came into a really bad situation.

And I’d like your honest opinion on this KSR, do you really want to bring in a guy like Jay Gruden to coach the Rams next year? Cause it seems to me like getting an unproven OC/DC for a HC next year would be just as much a recipe for failure as (you think) it was when we hired Spags, who at the time was touted as the best DC in the game. So you’ll probably say that you want Fisher or Cowher, etc. But if we can’t get one of those guys, do you really think it’s that good an idea to bring in another “youngster?”

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by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Dec 29, 2011 2:47 PM CST up reply actions  

I want to admit Spags didnt work and move on

Id like either Fisher, or Jay, or Chud. It’s not the amount of experience that matters. It’s a mindset. You have to be smart football wise (Spags is) but also be able to hand the pressure and not be a control freak (Spags doesn’t do). You don’t get better by staying pat and praying Spags works, you get better. And I was just joking, I wasn’t seriously suggesting he’s as bad as Linehan.

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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 29, 2011 3:10 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Fair enough.

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by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Dec 29, 2011 3:48 PM CST up reply actions  

i see your point

they lost but heck they made it to the playoffs at least, unlike the rams have for many years. and what has norv turner done for them lately?

by Tampa_Ram on Dec 29, 2011 1:38 PM CST up reply actions  

I meant its a thing people feel about Shotty

That he can’t guide a team to the top of the NFL when it counts (the playoffs). He was trying to get them there

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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 29, 2011 1:40 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

he at least got them to the playoffs

while leading the team to great regualr season success.

by Tampa_Ram on Dec 29, 2011 1:42 PM CST up reply actions  

But you are trying to win superbowls when you are going 14-2

The expectation is to get rings. If you feel your coach just can’t coach the big one (which most people feel Shotty can’t) then you gotta make a move

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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 29, 2011 1:43 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

so you would want spags fired if.

he took you to the playoffs with a 14-2 record and lost? id be more then happy at the moment with making it to the playoffs every year with a chance at going all the way instead of having the chance for the top draft pick once again.

by Tampa_Ram on Dec 29, 2011 1:46 PM CST up reply actions  

You obviously don't follow any team that wins consistently

When you have expectations, yo get sick of “making the playoffs”. The Lakers won’t settle for that, the Celtics won’t, Alabama won’t settle for some random Bowl game every year, nor will Oklahoma, or Texas, and the Pats better start winning in the playoffs again or B B is in trouble. Expectations make you feel that you will risk taking the step back is if means you take a chance at stepping forward. Almost everyone feels Shotty can’t win it all, so they moved on

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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 29, 2011 1:50 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

well we cant win period.

maybe its because im a rams fan, but i would never want a coach fired for going 14-2. i see your point and understand it, but the rams are at the bottom, and have been for years. to have the success the chargers had under shotty would be a dream right now.

by Tampa_Ram on Dec 29, 2011 1:52 PM CST up reply actions  

Oh I agree

But as for Smith firing him, that was cause they had these expectations

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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 29, 2011 1:54 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Smith wouldn't fire Shotty for a few playoff exits here

Not unless we had the best record for like 5 or 6 straight years and still were sucking it up in the playoffs and most people felt that our coach can’t win the big one (which WAS shotty’s resume)

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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 29, 2011 1:55 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

agreed.

i can only wish someday we fire a coach who had such success like that. fk, having a coach that gets us to the playoffs every year would be a dream at this point. and to fire them for not getting us the big game after many playoff losses would be a major upgrade

by Tampa_Ram on Dec 29, 2011 1:56 PM CST up reply actions  

one can dream.

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by DuhhhRams! on Dec 29, 2011 1:59 PM CST up reply actions  

i see your point

they lost but heck they made it to the playoffs at least, unlike the rams have for many years. and what has norv turner done for them lately?

by Tampa_Ram on Dec 29, 2011 1:37 PM CST reply actions  

AJ Smith is not a professional.

Sure, he has stacked that team with talent, but he has also alienated and angered his star players.

There is a je ne sais quoi (sp?) as to why the Chargers haven’t even seen a superbowl let alone won one, and to me it reeks of dysfunction that AJ Smith has had a large hand in.

He didn’t do Vincent Jackson right and chose to let the team suffer with his absence to avoid paying a dude, he also priced him out of a trade, despite interested parties (hello Rams).

All you ever hear are bad things about this dude, and you don’t hire has beens in the NFL.

You move onwards, forwards, progress. Taking old dudes like Gruden, Fisher, Cowher and AJ Smith is regressive and signals a lack of clear direction from ownership. There aren’t any good old teams in the NFL.

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by Infemous on Dec 29, 2011 2:20 PM CST reply actions  

He didn't do VJax right?

VJax wanted Larry money, he didn’t deserve Larry money

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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 29, 2011 2:23 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

so you trade him away and get some value for him.

you don’t spite a dude like that.

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by Infemous on Dec 29, 2011 2:25 PM CST up reply actions  

When you have the leverage? No you tell him tough nuts

This is what you’re gonna get. You just are mad cause the Rams didn’t get the alchohllic ass hole VJax

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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 29, 2011 2:27 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

not mad

just didn’t like how public the dispute was.

I saw VJax as a willing person in the dispute, and Smith as the person who put all blocks in the way of progress.

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by Infemous on Dec 29, 2011 2:28 PM CST up reply actions  

That's cause VJax was the one doing the SC interviews

Trust me, he knew how to work the media. He wanted to be payed like Larry is (Larry is leaps and bounds better and is never an attitude issue) and he had no leverage. He was a restricted free agent, so he held out and ended up not getting at all what he wanted. Smith refused to give into those demands because he knew they had drafted well enough to play without him (and if the special teams hadn’t been so inexplicably bad, they would have been). They still had like the best offense in the league last year without VJax

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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 29, 2011 2:31 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

I'll never say VJax is on the same level as Fitz

but dude is fuckin good.

He had no leverage due to the lockout, and Smith capitalised on this and fucked VJax over in the butt.

In a normal season, VJax would have had all the leverage and wouldn’t have had to go to SC to make himself look better. Hell, if his GM wasn’t publicly smearing him, he wouldn’t have to try and change perceptions about him.

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by Infemous on Dec 29, 2011 2:35 PM CST up reply actions  

VJax is an asshole, i base that solely on his constant DUI's

He disregards that he puts himself and others in danger. And It doesn’t matter why Smith had the leverage, it’s a business, and he had the leverage.

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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 29, 2011 2:36 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

lol

so there’s the crux.

If it was someone nice but not as elite as Fitz, like Marques Colston, would your opinion be different?

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by Infemous on Dec 29, 2011 2:46 PM CST up reply actions  

Colston is going to be a FA.... I really hope we find a way to pick him up.

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by DuhhhRams! on Dec 29, 2011 2:55 PM CST up reply actions  

word.

Colston would be awesome here.

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by Infemous on Dec 29, 2011 3:29 PM CST up reply actions  

I still wouldnt pay Colston like Larry

Id give him a little more than VJax because I know he’s not gonna miss games for suspensions

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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 29, 2011 2:59 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

i don't think anyone would

but you wouldn’t accept Smith’s public slandering and spiteful treatment of him would you?

Remove personal preference from it and see that Smith was being the douche, not VJax, in that situation, and it did not benefit the team in the slightest.

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by Infemous on Dec 29, 2011 3:29 PM CST up reply actions  

As an alcoholic asshole, I resent that.

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by DuhhhRams! on Dec 29, 2011 2:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Haha, sorry, but he is one

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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 29, 2011 2:32 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

I agree, there should be better options out there.

If it’s between Smith and Devaney though, I’d take Smith.

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by DuhhhRams! on Dec 29, 2011 2:27 PM CST up reply actions  

My thought exactly

If this who is Stan wants, I’m fine with it. I personally want John Dorsey, but I realize he will be hard to get

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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 29, 2011 2:28 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Kroenke needs to swing that fucking billionaire money around and try to get Dorsey.

The talent he seems to find in every draft is amazing.

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by DuhhhRams! on Dec 29, 2011 2:31 PM CST up reply actions  

The problem is will Dorsey want to go make his name in a big market

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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 29, 2011 2:32 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

That's like picking horse shit over dog shit.

I wouldn’t be fine with it, nothing but the best human shit available for me.

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by Infemous on Dec 29, 2011 2:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Look at his record in San Diego

Its soooooo much better than BD’s here. Percentage wise its ridiculous

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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 29, 2011 2:33 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

At least someone spritzed Febreeze on his shit

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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 29, 2011 2:37 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

This is the worst metaphor ever

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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 29, 2011 2:48 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

ahahahaha, hopefully someone that can drag us out of the shit.

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by DuhhhRams! on Dec 29, 2011 2:34 PM CST up reply actions  

What

about a guy like Eric DeCosta? He has grown to be Ozzie Newsome’s right hand man.

by RWRAMS28 on Dec 29, 2011 2:39 PM CST reply actions  

That's another good option

I’m open to all kinds of guys, and frankly Smith isn’t high on my list of guys if take here, but he is on the list

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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 29, 2011 2:40 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

this reminds me of my suggesting the Packers QB coach as our next OC

and everyone ridiculing it, asking for McD.

I bet the guy I suggested wouldn’t have been as bad as McD has been lol

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