NFL Coaching Rumors: Would Jon Gruden Fit With The St. Louis Rams?
Reports of Jon Gruden's impending arrival as the next head coach of the St. Louis Rams might be a little premature, not that such a thing would stop the Twitter world from going 140 characters of crazy. Many have speculated about Gruden's return to coaching, but few have any answers. Gruden's current bosses in Bristol weighed in today.
Gruden is currently saying positive things about each and every coach, player and team as part of ESPN's Monday Night Football broadcast crew. The sports network released a statement today saying that Gruden remains committed to MNF, where he just signed a new four-year contract. ESPN did not say anything about Gruden becoming a head coach again, and Gruden has said nothing about the subject himself.
The Gruden to St. Louis talk is, for now, strictly speculative. Treat it as such. Acee's a credible reporter, you can be sure he's hearing that talk via informed sources. However, it's by no means definitive, and as I said earlier, don't rule out the possibility of agents or other using rumors to generate interest and bidding wars.
Informed speculation or not, this will not be the last of it. Enough people have been asking about it, so we'll take a quick look at Gruden's body of work and how that might translate to the Rams in 2012. (We'll be doing the same with Jeff Fisher and A.J. Smith, the rumored GM candidate, this week as well).
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All you ever wanted to know about Jon Gruden and what his hiring might mean for the Rams, after the jump.
Offensive System
Gruden runs West Coast style offense, something he picked up from his mentor Mike Holmgren. It was Mike Holmgren who took Gruden under his wing in the NFL, hiring him in San Francisco and again in Green Bay, where Gruden worked from 1992-1994, including two years as a receivers coach. He also worked with Fritz Shurmur, uncle of one Pat Shurmur, and while Gruden and Pat Shurmur's paths never crossed on the coaching tree, they can both be considered part of the Holmgren family tree.
Gruden's offense would look familiar to Rams fans, who saw something very similar under Shurmur. That could work to Bradford's advantage, given his familiarity with the system. His work with wide receivers might not be a bad thing for the Rams either, though you can figure on a who new slate of coaching joining the fold. Upgrades at receiver and developing youngsters like Lance Kendricks and Greg Salas, both of whom could be fits in a WCO, will be essential to the Rams hopes next year and beyond.
Quarterbacks
For some reason Gruden gets billed as a quarterbacks master, or something hyperbolic like that. His work with Rich Gannon is the most notable. Gruden pulled him out of the backup job in Kansas City, and turned him into a star in Oakland. Gannon made the Pro Bowl in all three of Gruden's final years there. If you're worried about the short passing game with Gruden, don't. Gannon had an adjusted yards gained per attempt of 7.2 yards or more under Gruden. Bradford had a 5.4 AY/A last year and a 5.6 this year. The difference is, of course, the receivers. Gannon has Tim Brown and Jerry Rice in Oakland. Hopefully Bradford will have some actual talent to work with next year.
In Tampa Bay, Gruden won a Super Bowl with Brad Johnson, who was in his second year with the team when Gruden took over in 2002. Johnson went back to obscurity because of injuries after two seasons under Gruden, who then managed to make Chris Simms and Brian Griese serviceable starters. Griese completed 69 percent of his passes in 10 starts in 2004 with 20 touchdowns and 12 interceptions. If he can get gains like that out of bits and pieces guys, Bradford's future should be alright.
Dungy's Team
The biggest criticism leveled against Gruden is that he won the Super Bowl with a team Tony Dungy built. That's partly true. He made some key free agent moves for that 2002 Super Bowl run, additions like RB Michael Pittman and WR Keenan McCardell. Dungy gets a lot of the credit for the defense, though, and Gruden kept the defensive coaching staff in place, which included Mike Tomlin and Raheem Morris.
One thing to remember in evaluating his time in Tampa Bay, was the continued management of the Glazer family. The Buccaneers were hurt by their decision to trade two first-round picks, in 2002 and 2003, along with two second-round picks in 2002 and 2004 and $8 million in cash to Oakland in order to snag Gruden. It's hard to keep a team stocked with talent without its top picks in the draft.
Connections
Having worked for the Glazers, Gruden at least knows dysfunction. Hopefully, Kroenke will get his house at Rams Park in order before the next round of hiring.
Gruden also knows Rams Executive Vice President of Football Operations and Chief Operating Officer Kevin Demoff. The two worked together in Tampa Bay from 2005 through 2008.
As far as the rumors about Gruden tied to A.J. Smith, I'd say take a deep breath. The two might have the kind of relationship to work together, but there's absolutely nothing that makes them a package deal. I think with a coach like Gruden, that is an established guy with a track record like his, the relationship with the GM and/or team president is crucial. Guys like that aren't going to take a job and not have considerable say in matters.
Later this week, we'll have a similar look at Jeff Fisher and A.J. Smith, since both have been rumored in connection with the Rams. Let us know what else you'd like to see.
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Gruden should be priority number one.
He is established, well rounded, and knows the game as well as anyone. I also don’t think he’ll take any crap from players or have them quit halfway through the third quarter.
The problem I have with Gruden
or problems (there are two) are:
1) It’s hard to judge his ‘QB Guru’ status. He did great things with unknowns, but to me, in the latter parts of his career with TB, most of the QB’s started only one year (Griese, Simms, Gradkowski…wasn’t Jeff Garcia in the mix too?).
As such, I don’t know they have a high enough level of data to actually say statistically he makes QB’s better. Is he good with QB’s? that much is clear. But a QB Guru? I don’t know.
Secondly, while TB made the playoffs after the SB run, I don’t believe they were ever as good as that team was. I know they got shafted with drafting, and I guess this wouldn’t be as bad if AJ Smith came on board, but it didn’t seem like the team drafted well because they never reached the point that they were at when he first came on board.
Of course, this is all from memory, so don’t quote me.
by Eric Nagel on Dec 28, 2011 11:22 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Also I don't credit him for Rich Gannon
He was clearly better than the other QBs starting over him while in KC and if not for outright stupidity he would have been the starter in KC. Gruden lucked into him just as he lucked into a pretty damn good Tampa team.
Gruden isn’t a bad coach but I just don’t know how he’d handle the situation in St. Louis. I’d be way too afraid that he’d bail if things went south.
Didn't he get run out of town?
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 28, 2011 11:24 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Not likely
Who would you want if you’re Jay: Dalton and Green in the second year of the system, or Sam and no one in the 1st
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 28, 2011 11:37 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
How about
Sam throwing to Brandon Lloyd and Justin Blackmon?
by CumberlandRam on Dec 28, 2011 12:19 PM CST up reply actions
It'd be Lloyd with Kalil on the block
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 28, 2011 12:31 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Bring on Chucky!
We won’t likely have Bradford tho. He would trade him off pretty quickly
SJax is still a beast! Best RB in the league!
by MyACLisBrittle on Dec 28, 2011 11:41 AM CST reply actions
My Campaign continues?
Ignorance is Bliss
by RG31 on Dec 28, 2011 11:49 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Dolphins have a want of Sam
They would consider trading Long (an picks) for Luck, or picks for Sam. They would probably prefer Sam cause they think they aren’t very far off (talent wise) and they need a more experienced qb.
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 28, 2011 11:53 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
And his contract and slump make him less valuable than Luck
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 28, 2011 11:57 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
They wouldn't be
Theyd consider moving Long for Luck cause they feel he might be required to pull off the trade.
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 28, 2011 12:53 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I don;t see them moving Long in any trade
I see them giving up multiple drafts picks but will want to keep Long around to protect Luck
The thought process is at some point how many potential All Pros (first round picks) is too much
When do you throw Long in to keep some first rounders? Giving up 4 or 5 straight round picks means you have too hit hard on all your later round picks or you start to see a team get old and not have a young physically gifted freak to build on with Luck. Do you maybe give up Long to avoid that (cause despite what BD wants us too believe, you can go sign a decent T in free agency)
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 28, 2011 1:17 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Also, there is talk about how much Long will want on his contract once this one expires (which will be at two years left after this season)
Dont want to have him for 2 years for Luck to play with and then see him walk while Luck is still developing
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 28, 2011 1:19 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
If Dungy gets credit for building the TB team that Gruden inherited
How come Gruden does not get credit for building the Oakland team that Callahan inherited. They were the team that TB beat in the SB that year?
Just wondering…..
People might feel that Gruden can't make the moves to make you a contender
Just inherit someone else’s team.
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 28, 2011 12:54 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
gruden for coach.
he is so full of energy and this is lacking from our team. 4quarters of football he expects you to play, and you better play or you sit. i would love to see him come in and put some toughness in this group which they lack. and he loves sjx. how come long and james l did not make the pro bowl? B.S.
Im sure Gruden..
And the fact that he publicly stated on national television that he would trade Bradford, would go over well in winning over his new QB.
Gruden’s a joke that would be a joke to any team he was put in charge of.
That's why we should root for him RG
Get Gruden here and get Sam to Miami! Wouldn’t you love to see Sam with the talent of Miami and Chudzinski (that’s my choice for their coach whether they get Sam or not)?
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 28, 2011 1:56 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Eh I think he should stay,
I just like messin with people, they need to get him some help though.
Ignorance is Bliss
by RG31 on Dec 28, 2011 2:00 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
He's just never going to be a good quarterback...
He can’t cope with a pro style offense. He’s not smart enough to grasp the offense, he’s got no pocket awareness. He’s just like Blaine Gabbert down in Jacksonville (though Gabbert is at least a rookie, but he probably isnt’ going to get better, either).
He never said he would trade Bradford he said he would look very closely to make sure he is the Man because of the talent that is there in the draft
its not like he said if i was coach i would trade Sam lol he just stated that there might be other options available if Sam was thought to not live up to the expectations of this team or needs of this team ,what made it look like thats what he wanted is the fact that Jaws started to argue with him about it and Gruden held his ground lol ill still take Gruden and I know Sam will still be the QB on the Rams
If Jerry Jones was smart........He'd hire Gruden!
But some people can’t admit their mistakes. They’ll stand by their failures!
Hopefully because of this, We might have a shot. Gruden would change our culture.
But Gruden has the pick of the litter……: (
Gruden is going to be like Madden and ride coaching success
to a broadcast dynasty. John Madden coached 10 years, Gruden has coached 11. Madden made WAY more money in the booth than on the field, Gruden stands to do the same. Madden’s legend grew bigger and bigger AFTER his coaching career was over, and Gruden’s is doing the same. My guess is that Madden NFL games will stop around 2014 and it will become Gruden NFL 2015. Give me Jeff Fisher.
I do love Chucky as a commentator though.
The only mistake he makes is he mispronounces players’ names sometimes, but I don’t care about that.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
I like him in the booth...ALTHOUGH his persona as a coach
doesn’t mesh with his “be nice to everyone” attitude in the booth. I think he probably needs to stay put. He has a good thing going and there is no need to risk it by coming back and potentially failing in a comeback.
he's terrible
he just licks so much ass all fuckin day.
he’s entertaining but his constant ball licking is painful to hear.
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I Would Like To Know
If Gruden’s brother Jay would be interested in a HC position. IMO, he has done a wonderful job with the young talent on offense.
trust me gruden will nit be the rams head coach in 2012
all just wishfull thinking
and neither will jeff fischer
kroanake—really doesn’t care if the stadiums half full
and this past offseason proved that
for any doubters —all you have to do is replay a rams game
st. louis a baseball town ..always will be
eventually our team will be outta st. louis within 5 years
thats a no brainer

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