2012 NFL Mock Draft: Four Rounds Of Fun
by Tevin Broner on Dec 27, 2011 12:00 PM CST
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PrintWith the season coming to a close, the St. Louis Rams are siting on the second pick in this year's draft. All of this could change Sunday, because if the Colts lose, and the Rams play like usual, the Rams would have the first pick of the draft.
But, right now let's go with the assumption that the Rams keep the second pick in this draft. It will be a hard spot for the Rams to trade out of, so they will probably have to stay put and decide which player to draft.
I tried to make this as realistic as possible, but since I'm not an expert on the draft, I had fellow TST writer 3k (aka Joe McAtee) to give his opinions on the picks, so let's get ready for more draft talk.
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Tevin's mock after the jump...
Round 1: Matt Kalil, OT, USC
There is no way the Rams can't make this pick. Matt Kalil isn't a better prospect than Jake Long coming out of college, but he's still a great player. He will come in and anchor the left side of the line for a decade if healthy.
Why the Rams should consider him: Because the Rams offensive line is a mess. Jason Smith, the Rams old left offensive tackle, might not be a bust, but he's not looking good. The new left offensive tackle Rodger Saffold had a good rookie season, but before his season ending injury he allowed the most sacks on the offensive line.
If the Rams add Matt Kalil, Rodger Saffold can move to right tackle, and Jason Smith can move to guard, Harvey Dahl will stay put, but who the Rams play at center will be up in the air.
3k's note: We've talked about it plenty, and it makes sense. Kalil's pass blocking skills are phenomenal and the ceiling is in elite territory. His deficiency is in the run game, and I think you all know how much stock I put into running the ball. Bear in mind that running off the left tackle isn't exactly the centerpiece of any offensive system, so it's not the most overwhelming fault.
Round 2: Kendall Wright, WR, Baylor
He might not be Justin Blackmon, but he's a playmaker in his own right. He and Robert Griffin III really helped Baylor become a force to be reckoned with this season. He isn't tall and doesn't run a complete route tree, but he just makes plays. He's not just a slot WR; he's been playing some outside this year, but he will have to work on it to do it in the pros. Check out the tape:
Why the Rams should consider him: Because, besides Greg Salas there's no wide receiver on this roster I trust. I don't count Danny Amendola and Brandon Lloyd, because they don't have a contract going into next season. The Rams need speed and athleticism on their roster, and Wright could be the player to do it for them.
3k's note: With the departure of Donnie Avery, the biggest hole offensively is the lack of a deep speed threat. The Rams just don't have a Mike Wallace or Torrey Smith, someone that can flat out run behind corners. Kendall Wright can. If he does drop out of the first round, it would be hard not to take a burner here and Wright's at the top of that list.
Round 3: Danny Trevathan, OLB, Kentucky
Danny is a man that the Rams need on their roster. He needs a little work, but I think he can be a solid player in the next level. He has some speed on him, he's a good tackler, and he can play in coverage. Of course, as a 3rd round pick he needs to work on some things, but with his work ethic he will get there. Also, if Steve Spagnuolo is still the head coach of the Rams, Danny fits the 4 pillars easily.
I got this from www.ukathletics.com:
Trevathan’s accomplishments during the 2011 season included:
o 143 total tackles, ranking fifth in the nation and leading the SEC in tackles for the second-consecutive season
o Five fumbles forced, leading the nation’s linebackers in that category
o Four pass interceptions, second in the nation among linebackers
o In addition, Trevathan had 11.5 tackles for loss, three quarterback sacks, five pass breakups, two quarterback hurries and five fumbles forced.
Why the Rams should consider him: Because, the Rams are lacking athletes in their front 7. He brings the speed that the Rams have been lacking, he can cover, and he would be a good sidekick to James L.
3k's note: Trevathan's instincts are off the charts. He's one of those guys like Tyrann Mathieu who are always around the ball and capable of making plays consistently. The real draw on Trevathan is that he's not big enough or fast enough to dominate. I think that come draft time, this will be seen as being a bit too high, but I can see why Tevin reached.
Round 4: Montee Ball, RB, Wisconsin
This was the hardest pick for me. Ball's stock is somewhere between 2-4. I can't see him going in the 2nd or 3rd round, but I can easily see him going in the 4th round. There will be teams that don't like him for two reasons, he probably won't have a super fast 40 time, and because teams will devalue him for his great offensive line.
If he is available in the 4th round, I think he will be an easy steal. He does everything you would expect a running back to do. At worst, I think he will be a good backup/situational starter.
Why the Rams should consider him: For the past two years, the Rams have neglected to give Steven Jackson a solid backup. It's almost time for them to look for a successor, but the Rams need a player who can run if Jackson is injured, tired, or not here this season. Also, I like Ball potential to become an NFL starting running back.
3k's note: I'm with Tevin that Ball likely won't come into play until day 3. While his stats were gaudy this year, they weren't much different than in 2010. The only difference was that John Clay was gone and Ball was able to take nearly 50% of rushing snaps versus 28% the year prior. With Wisconsin's dominant offensive line, it's easy to look great. I've heard people talk about his patience. Well yeah, when you know your O-line is going to create holes every single time, that makes sense. Try running behind the 2011 Rams' O-line a couple hundred times and then see how much patience you exhibit. Ball's a solid power runner and at this point, just about every RB prospect is in play. But I'd rather see the Rams go after someone shiftier and with top-end acceleration like Miami RB Lamar Miller...as long as he drops into the 3rd round.
Closing statement on draft
The Rams need more draft picks, but I think these players will help the Rams make a leap to being a good team in 2012. All of these players are solid pieces to the puzzle that is the St. Louis Rams.
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i rather have alshon drop to the second and take him
WE SUCK. THAT IS ALL.
by RAMSALLTHEWAY on Dec 27, 2011 12:10 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Could be possible
But I highly doubt that he will
Beating off the dog is never appropriate when we have company over...... I mean EVER!
by sergey606 on Dec 27, 2011 12:16 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I could take this but
would rather trade that first round pick for a few extra picks this year and a 1st next yr to fill more holes
If the Rams stand pat with the #2 or #1 pick overall in the draft
It will rank as one of the dumbest moves ever. They must trade down and get more picks and fill the many holes they have. Do we know if Kalil will be any better than Jason Smith? Will he be dramatically better than Johnathan Martin or Riley Reiff (the other two top tackles in the draft)? History shows us probably not. We need a #1 WR with that pick anyway. Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. We need to do something different, like trade down and still get a playmaker, along with some more picks.
by Mean Machine II on Dec 27, 2011 12:20 PM CST reply actions
I agree with some of your ideas
But a true LT is more needed then a number 1 WR. We need to protect Sam so he can pass to that WR, plus I think we should resign Lloyd, he can be a good number 1 WR and draft a WR in the early 2nd round to try to build into a number 1 WR in a yr or two
By your definition Detroit was insane for drafting Calvin Johnson in the 1st because thats all they did was draft horrible WR’s in the first round until him.
by bobhugehands on Dec 27, 2011 12:31 PM CST up reply actions
Yea and where are they now oh thats right going to the playoffs while we are hoping for the 1st pick in the draft. What I am saying is you can’t stop picking guys at that position because one player or two didn’t work out.
by bobhugehands on Dec 27, 2011 12:33 PM CST up reply actions
I agree
Look how long it took them to get better after all that. Yeah they are in the playoffs now but it took a long time of crap to get there
Yea but they realized that even though they had missed on previous WR’s Johnson was someone they couldn’t pass on and yea it took them awhile to get good but they also had fire some bad FO personal. Which is my point you can’t take Kalil off the board because Smith has been a bust thats all I am saying.
by bobhugehands on Dec 27, 2011 12:40 PM CST up reply actions
Agree 100%.
“We can’t draft kalil look at Jason Smith and Alex Barron!”
Now shutup for a second and take a look at Orlando Pace. WE NEED A SOLID LT. Plain and simple. It doesn’t matter what WRs we have if we can’t protect our QB long enough to throw.
Two things about me will never change. I will always root for the Rams, and I will always root against the Niners.
Uhhh...
Maybe you weren’t aware but we were good those years because our OFFENSE was good, not just because of Orlando Pace. We had guys like Holt, Bruce, Warner and Faulk who were great skill position players. I’m not saying Pace wasn’t great but we still would have been good without him around…
On this team, we are all united in a common goal: to keep my job.
-- Lou Holtz
Oh yeah
The year we went 0-5 and put Bulger in, we were without Pace for those first 5 games. Then Pace returned for the 6th through the 10th games and we went 5-0. So from that logic Bulger was better than Warner. Pace gets not nearly enough credit for the solidity of that team.
Wolf. Wolfgang Wolf
by dbcouver on Dec 27, 2011 2:18 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Yup,
even Torry (I think) said that the real cornerstone for the GSOT was Orlando Pace.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
I think Warner, Faulk and Bruce all said they had one of the best O lines in history and throw all kinds of credit their way.
Two things about me will never change. I will always root for the Rams, and I will always root against the Niners.
Truth.
Warner got hit and sacked because of the scheme. He still would get 5+ seconds to pass it more often than not.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
Warner got sacked because of Martz.
Every team Martz as coached for has been one of the most sacked teams in the league. I hate that guy.
Two things about me will never change. I will always root for the Rams, and I will always root against the Niners.
pretty good line...
mike gruttadaria-C
tom nutten-G
adam timmerman-G
ryan tucker/miller-RT
orlando pace-LT….
again 2 pro bowlers on that line in timmerman, and pace, but the rest got it done, and put marshall faulk in the hall of fame.
by Mark Jaramillo on Dec 27, 2011 4:50 PM CST up reply actions
We picked up Andy McCollum too
who should have been a probowler.
Two things about me will never change. I will always root for the Rams, and I will always root against the Niners.
Uhhhh we had 3 pro bowlers on our O line when we were the GSOT.
Warner had all day to throw and Faulk had great blocking. Torry Holt and Bruce were very talented, but without protection, it doesn’t matter how open guys get, your QB will be pressured or sacked and you will lose games.
Two things about me will never change. I will always root for the Rams, and I will always root against the Niners.
So you are saying we should wait until the 2nd round (again) to get a #1 WR? Bottom line is, we are not going to score anypoints drafting OT’s all the time in the 1st round. We need playmakers and speed.
by Mean Machine II on Dec 27, 2011 12:34 PM CST up reply actions
With out protecing Sam we won't score anyways
He needs time to pass the ball. It doesn’t matter what WRs are out there for him if he can;t get the ball to them in time
We don’t have any WR’s that can get open, that is problem. We need some who can..
by Mean Machine II on Dec 27, 2011 12:38 PM CST up reply actions
No our QBs have no time to pass
I do agree we need someone to team up with Lloyd out there but we need OL help first
There will be a ton of big name WRs to get in the FA next year.
There will not be a single franchise LT, because they are much more important and harder to find, so teams hold on to them for as long as possible, just like we did with Orlando Pace. We need playmakers, yes, so lets see if we can get Desean Jackson or Vincent Jackson in the FA, or any other number of WRs that are due to be FAs next year. But we need an O-line to protect our QB first and foremost, or it doesn’t matter who is running routes, our QB will be in the dirt or running for his life before he can make the throw.
Two things about me will never change. I will always root for the Rams, and I will always root against the Niners.
Sorry
But I don’t buy into the spin about Kalil. The Stanford and Iowa left tackles are pretty good, and will be almost as good as Kalil, but at much lower draft pick and cost. I would hate to see the Rams blow an opportunity to trade a high pick and get a bunch of other equally good picks vs. standing pat and drafting at #2.
by Mean Machine II on Dec 27, 2011 5:24 PM CST up reply actions
All I know is Jonathan Martin got absolutely owned
when Stanford played USC. Kalil is worth the hype. Gave up no sacks on a line that had 4 new starters next to him? Beast.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
Also I am not saying that the Rams have to draft Kalil first but what I am saying is you can’t say we aren’t going to draft someone at a position of need because Smith has been a bust. Also WR’s can be had in later rounds who are very good just like you said OL can be so, what I am saying is that we need a GM in who can evaluate talent and realize what player is the best available to us be it Blackmon or Kalil or anyone else.
by bobhugehands on Dec 27, 2011 12:38 PM CST up reply actions
I think we need to find WR help in the FA.
Our best WR on our team at the moment? An FA pickup. WRs usually take 2-3 years to develop into viable starters, we can start Kalil or Martin at LT and they should immediately improve our protection. The list of big name receivers hitting the FA next year is huge. Tell me one franchise LT that is hitting the market next year that you would want anchoring your O line…… None.
Two things about me will never change. I will always root for the Rams, and I will always root against the Niners.
he is saying
we should take one of the best LT’s in the draft in quite sometime rather than reaching for blackmon like idiots
by Ram_Redemption on Dec 27, 2011 12:40 PM CST up reply actions
I am not saying
Blackmon is the only WR option, Jeffery and Floyd are good options as well.
by Mean Machine II on Dec 27, 2011 12:43 PM CST up reply actions
yea but none of them will have the impact of kalil IMHO
by Ram_Redemption on Dec 27, 2011 12:44 PM CST up reply actions
Kalil has all the makings
Of an overhyped player. Can’t run block, not very strong, hasn’t really been tested by good pass rushers. Not sure I would want to take a chance with that at #2. Trade down, then if he is there, maybe..
by Mean Machine II on Dec 27, 2011 1:05 PM CST up reply actions
not giving up one sack all year
yep… overhyped.. dude can ball and just like luck, there isnt one analyst out there doubting him
by Ram_Redemption on Dec 27, 2011 1:22 PM CST up reply actions
Kalil is the only guy we should take if we don't trade the pick
But I would rather trade with someone like Washington, get their 1rd, 2nd and 3rd/4th this yr and 1st next year
Not many analysts doubted Smith either
just saying..
by Mean Machine II on Dec 27, 2011 5:19 PM CST up reply actions
theres going to be a handfull of free agent wr's available...
dwayne bowe, v jax to name a few, i would rather go with a vet than a freakin rook right now.
by Mark Jaramillo on Dec 27, 2011 1:55 PM CST up reply actions
bowe isnt going anywhere tho
maybe vjax
by Ram_Redemption on Dec 27, 2011 1:58 PM CST up reply actions
List of FA WRs next year:
I would be happy with any 1 of these guys. Get Lloyd to resign, then we get Salas and Danny back to work the slot, our WR core is 10x better than this year’s injury plagued mess.
Two things about me will never change. I will always root for the Rams, and I will always root against the Niners.
Which one of them would want to come here?
You flash FA around like we can just get them to come to this piss poor team..
Ignorance is Bliss
by RG31 on Dec 27, 2011 2:17 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
money talks rg...
just like i never would have thought that sidney rice would have signed with the seahawks, that was total left field there. cmon man you know about as much as i do bro, players dont have a preference where they WANT to play, its where they cn make the most money. players dont give a **** about rings, besides the ones they buy anyways…
by Mark Jaramillo on Dec 27, 2011 2:23 PM CST up reply actions
yes but most want to contend
And we can by no means guarantee that like New England and Saints.
Ignorance is Bliss
by RG31 on Dec 27, 2011 2:25 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
They will come here because we will get a respectable GM and HC
we will pay them money, and they will instantly be one of our Go-To receivers, ensuring them plenty of targets and stats if we can protect Bradford. If we can’t protect Bradford, it doesn’t matter who we draft or pick up in FA, we will have no passing game and will continue being losers.
Two things about me will never change. I will always root for the Rams, and I will always root against the Niners.
Agree 100%
We will not be able to get a franchise LT in the free agency. There will be plenty of big name WRs to bid on, and they can come in and improve our WR core immediately, instead of waiting for them to develop like we are currently waiting for Salas and Pettis to develop.
Two things about me will never change. I will always root for the Rams, and I will always root against the Niners.
Jesse
The lions already had a LT who they drafted the year before and Calvin Johnson was the 4th first round WR they had drafted with three of them being busts.
Not really
Just not many #1s. Lots of day 2 receiving targets to choose from
true i was just saying if we lose lloyd
and draft one of these guys we could be in the same boat as we are now cause i dont see any in this draft that are elite
by Ram_Redemption on Dec 27, 2011 1:47 PM CST up reply actions
I'm looking foward to next year's crop with Keenan Allen and Robert Woods
by diehardram87 on Dec 27, 2011 3:34 PM CST up reply actions
Keenan Allen is the truth.
I hope the Rams somehow get him. Roll on you bears!
Two things about me will never change. I will always root for the Rams, and I will always root against the Niners.
Indeed he is.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
And I know some might disagree or bash me for it but i'd rather have Allen than Blackmon
by diehardram87 on Dec 27, 2011 4:18 PM CST up reply actions
I think most scouts
would agree about Allen’s pro potential. Allen will make a better pro than Robert Woods, as painful as that is for me to say. However, Marqise Lee on the other hand….THAT kid is going to be gooood.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
Yea I have to admit Lee dominated the 2nd half of the season even though i don't like USC lol
by diehardram87 on Dec 27, 2011 4:22 PM CST up reply actions
Lee has Terrell Owens size.
Robert Woods isn’t blessed with that, and that sucks because he’s my favorite college player. IMO Woods is the best college receiver next year, but Lee has a higher ceiling. Scary.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
He's two inches shorter,
but his body looks JUST like TO’s. And still has a frame to add more muscle. He came in at 190 and I think he bulked up to around 205 this year alone.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
Ooooooohh..damn that’s crazy when you think about how fast Lee plays
by diehardram87 on Dec 27, 2011 4:45 PM CST up reply actions
I like the notion....
"To crush the Seahawks, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentation of the women."
Agree with this draft
What I’ve noticed is we don’t really need a one, just a wr that has the speed to get separation and can catch, both of which wright can do.
Ignorance is Bliss
by RG31 on Dec 27, 2011 12:25 PM CST via mobile reply actions
He will probably need to adjust.
But when he does, he will be a good pickup.
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by Tevin Broner on Dec 27, 2011 12:43 PM CST up reply actions
Lots of teams
Get by without a bunch of high picks on the O-line. Look at the Patriots,Packers, etc. They coach up the players. Who says that Saffold is done at LT? Did it ever occur to you that the O-line coach sucks? We have a high priced line that played like shit this year. Not everybody on that line sucks, so lets look at the most likely common denominator, the O-line coach (Loney) sucks balls..Get a new O-line coach and I am sure even this cast of linemen will improve.
by Mean Machine II on Dec 27, 2011 12:28 PM CST reply actions
Would you want to take another chance with this Oline?
Saffold was brought in to be the RT, and he got lucky that Smith got injured and he was able to get the spot. Maybe he can become a good LT. But I don’t want to get Sam killed, because of what might happen.
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by Tevin Broner on Dec 27, 2011 12:43 PM CST up reply actions
IMHO
Coaching (or the lack of it) has a lot to do with the failures of this team. Better O-line coach = Better results. If coaching doesn’t matter, why fire Spags then?
by Mean Machine II on Dec 27, 2011 12:46 PM CST up reply actions
Because he can't make a gameplan, manage the clock, make good calls or make adjustments.
Which is more of a coaches job then trying to coach up players on football fundamentals.
Two things about me will never change. I will always root for the Rams, and I will always root against the Niners.
lost of teams get by without drafting recievers in the top 10
by Ram_Redemption on Dec 27, 2011 12:46 PM CST up reply actions
And O-linemen as well, so your point is?
by Mean Machine II on Dec 27, 2011 12:59 PM CST up reply actions
but those team dnt give up 50 sacks in one season do they?
oh.
by Ram_Redemption on Dec 27, 2011 1:22 PM CST up reply actions
Those teams also dont have as many drops as us...
Ignorance is Bliss
by RG31 on Dec 27, 2011 1:27 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
i dont THINK we are one of the top teams in drops actually (cleveland, new york)
and who cares how many times a WR drops a ball if our QB is on the ground anyway. im sick and tired of people begging for recievers when our olline is the worst in the nfl.
by Ram_Redemption on Dec 27, 2011 1:34 PM CST up reply actions
That still places us top 3
And I agree we need line help but we can get that in FA, but what top flight wr would want to come here? Just because we do need line help doesn’t mean we can’t consider wr..
Ignorance is Bliss
by RG31 on Dec 27, 2011 1:39 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
those were three off the top of my head
fact: Brandon Gibson leads the team in drops with 6 and he doesn’t even get in. and how many all star left tackles ever sign to different teams? they usually dont because teams find them too valuable. and why would any all pro lineman come here if wide receivers wouldnt even take big money to play here?
by Ram_Redemption on Dec 27, 2011 1:41 PM CST up reply actions
I would call Dahl pretty good and he came
Bottom line before Sam was injured the first time we lead the league and sacks, like I said your thesis can be turned around, like I asked which FA wr would want to come here? Only reason Lloyd cam here was because of McDaniels..
Ignorance is Bliss
by RG31 on Dec 27, 2011 2:14 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Sidney rice to the seahawkd
like u said… both ways bro but kalil is better than any WR in this draft so why would we skip him? andwer me that plzz
by Ram_Redemption on Dec 27, 2011 2:35 PM CST up reply actions
Like I said just striking conversation
If we don’t trade down we have to pick him, just saying how it could go both ways. Now if we trade out of the spot into mid round, Floyd or Alshon is my pick.
Ignorance is Bliss
by RG31 on Dec 27, 2011 2:37 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
i agree but wr take money anywhere
and depends on where we trade down to cause riley reiff and jonathan martin are still better than floyd and jeffery according to most big boards
by Ram_Redemption on Dec 27, 2011 2:41 PM CST up reply actions
Oh thats also true
I’ve seen a lot of mocks having them two go in the top 10 as well. It will be interesting to see which rout they go.
Ignorance is Bliss
by RG31 on Dec 27, 2011 2:45 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
as long as we are finally winning
they could draft all kickers for all i care lol
by Ram_Redemption on Dec 27, 2011 2:47 PM CST up reply actions
lol, seriously.
If we could trade down, get 2 first round picks, and take Martin or Reiff along with one of the top WRs, I think that would be the best case scenario.
Two things about me will never change. I will always root for the Rams, and I will always root against the Niners.
this
great minds thinking alike right now
by Ram_Redemption on Dec 27, 2011 2:58 PM CST up reply actions
It is MUCH easier to get WR help in the FA than trying to pickup a quality LT.
So if we are looking for FA help we would be better off at looking for WRs. Who is our best WR right now? Oh yeah, that FA we picked up in the middle of the season. There are quite a few top tier WRs hitting the FA next season, and not a single LT I would want anchoring our O line.
Two things about me will never change. I will always root for the Rams, and I will always root against the Niners.
Yea in a trade!
Which FA wr would come here willingly, if you had talent would you come here over the linear of New England, Green Bay and Saints? I didn’t think so, Fault came here on his own free will, eight now I’m saying get some linemen in FA, FO all out to make sure Sam has weapons.
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by RG31 on Dec 27, 2011 2:16 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
YOU CAN'T GET A LT IN FA! Which is where we need the most help.
Name one LT in FA that will be a marked improvement over Smith or Saffold……. Now look at the 2012 FA WRs, any of which will improve our WR core, especially when we get Salas and Danny back. The FA WRs will come here because we will pay them, and they will automatically be one of our go to receivers, which if we can protect our QB long enough to throw, will give them the best chance for success. Especially if we get a respectable GM and HC in here. OGs and Cs can be found later in the draft or FA, but we cannot found a franchise LT that can start immediately outside of the first round.
Two things about me will never change. I will always root for the Rams, and I will always root against the Niners.
Just striking convo
And just because you throw money at them doesn’t mean they’ll come. Moss took a pay cut to be with the patriots because he wanted to contend, can you promise any of them that we can contend next season, NOPE!
Ignorance is Bliss
by RG31 on Dec 27, 2011 2:23 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
why do you assume great lineman will come here and not WR's?
i dont getthat part
by Ram_Redemption on Dec 27, 2011 2:38 PM CST up reply actions
Just saying your argument can work with both positions.
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by RG31 on Dec 27, 2011 2:39 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
but it can't, because there aren't FA LTs, where there are a ton of FA WRs.
And just because some want to be with contenders, others, like Desean and Vincent Jackson, just want new contracts that will pay them because they were late round picks.
Two things about me will never change. I will always root for the Rams, and I will always root against the Niners.
when is the last time a LT was even a free agent? lol
by Ram_Redemption on Dec 27, 2011 2:37 PM CST up reply actions
exactly!
all the top lt’s are locked up, and if one was available, they would cost too damn much anyways lol. a top tier lt like kalil would be the same production at fraction of the cost.
by Mark Jaramillo on Dec 27, 2011 2:39 PM CST up reply actions
seriously, WRs are a dime a dozen.
Franchise LTs are top paid, and held onto until they are well past their prime, because they are one of, if not the most important position on the offense.
Two things about me will never change. I will always root for the Rams, and I will always root against the Niners.
lol didn't the movie blindside teach us anything
by diehardram87 on Dec 27, 2011 4:13 PM CST up reply actions
Snap Theismans leg like a twig and LT is the most important position.
2 men enter 1 man leaves. THOSE ARE THE RULES OF THUNDER DOME!
"I learned that Madonna will be singing at the Super Bowl. I thought this was football not the soundtrack to your menopause." ~ RAMpage28
Not even just LT.
Blocking in general is the most important thing as we saw with Steve Young and even Kurt for the middle years of his career.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
Yeah but LT is considered of highest importance
hence the highest paid of all O-linemen even though good blocking along the whole line is important. If Taylor came off the right and beat the right tackle then we would be drafting high end RT’s.
2 men enter 1 man leaves. THOSE ARE THE RULES OF THUNDER DOME!
"I learned that Madonna will be singing at the Super Bowl. I thought this was football not the soundtrack to your menopause." ~ RAMpage28
LT is the anchor.
I’m agreeing, just saying going further with your point that blocking is far more important than an elite receiver. The Patriots showed everyone this when they won their 3 SBs.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
Agreed.
Elite Receivers while important aren’t what make the wheels turn when it comes to an offense.
2 men enter 1 man leaves. THOSE ARE THE RULES OF THUNDER DOME!
"I learned that Madonna will be singing at the Super Bowl. I thought this was football not the soundtrack to your menopause." ~ RAMpage28
It's also easier to block in the middle of the O line
because you have bodies on both sides of you, limiting where the pass rush can go. LTs are put on an island more often than not against the best pass rushers the opposing defense has to offer, and the QBs can’t see the hits coming if the LT screws up, resulting in harder hits and more fumbles.
Two things about me will never change. I will always root for the Rams, and I will always root against the Niners.
you are welcome.
Shit must be crazy if I’m the voice of reason lol
Two things about me will never change. I will always root for the Rams, and I will always root against the Niners.
FA WRs hellooooooo-ooooo
Beating off the dog is never appropriate when we have company over...... I mean EVER!
by sergey606 on Dec 27, 2011 12:38 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
I know its not a popular choice but I want DJackson.
by bobhugehands on Dec 27, 2011 12:41 PM CST up reply actions
if spags is here: no way
but he won’t be soooo, perhaps?!
Beating off the dog is never appropriate when we have company over...... I mean EVER!
Yea thats what I am thinking and maybe our next head coach can control some of these divas or pain in the neck players whatever you want to call them.
by bobhugehands on Dec 27, 2011 12:44 PM CST up reply actions
I would give Desean a contract, cause the Eagles botched it
They knew he is childish and fed it by getting into this contract sit. He will play great for a team that shows they respect him. I don’t like Wright, cause I see another Avery (a one trick pony who isn’t very good). I like this draft otherwise, and love Ball. I get that he’s not a super powered freak physically, but in the 4th, a baller like him is a good pick. He seems like a Michael Bush to me (an amazing second rb who can be a starter without it being a weakness)
Note to Douglas M: Remember that 99% of what I say involves BS
by King Sam Rules! on Dec 27, 2011 12:50 PM CST via mobile reply actions
I would love Desean on this team.
GET EM CAL!
Two things about me will never change. I will always root for the Rams, and I will always root against the Niners.
Kendall Wright
In all likelihood; will not make it out of the first round based upon his production this year with RGIII. You are right that The Rams need team speed on offense and defense; it is my opinion that they start with playmakers on offense early in the draft.
1.Justin Blackmon
2. Chris Polk
3. Clif Harris
4. Danny Trevathan
Offensive line can be addressed in FA and with UDFA’s. Also adding bigger lineman particularly G and C and eliminating the deep QB drops can go a long way in protecting Bradford. If The Rams do get Kalil; my question would be: What do you do with the remainder of the line that are not great at sustaining blocks for extended periods of time. If the blindside is plugged; defenses will probe for holes on the other side. The Rams would do well to get bigger on the O-Line, lessen the QB drop steps, employ the power run game more with the bigger O-Line, and get WR’s that can create separation.
Considering what happened this year.
I’m good on waiting to FA. Our offensive line isn’t that good. Two starters will be gone. Plus Smith probably needs a change of posisiton
Is that great man formally known as Tevin T. Broner, also I'm on twitter Follow @T_Bron
by Tevin Broner on Dec 27, 2011 12:55 PM CST up reply actions
great job
You should be our new GM
WE SUCK. THAT IS ALL.
by RAMSALLTHEWAY on Dec 27, 2011 12:58 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I don't like Harris
If he can’t even get along with chip kelly, he won’t get along with a lot more coaches. Plus he seems like an idiot “we smoked it all”
Beating off the dog is never appropriate when we have company over...... I mean EVER!
by sergey606 on Dec 27, 2011 1:11 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Sergey
Harris would not be the first college kid to smoke weed, break motor vehicle laws, or lie to authorities. He has IMO; first round talent: A solid cover corner, take away ability, and can return punts. I realize the character concerns are there. I just think that he may be worth a risk in round three.
If we get the #1 pick overall in the 2012 NFL Draft
I think that the rams should do a double trade, one from the colts and one from the browns. IJS the rams after drafting blackmon in the 1st rd, the rams should select OT from Ohio State U named Mike Adams and the other pick in the 2nd rd the rams should select a future back for SJ39. Either Lamar Miller or LaMichael James or Montae Ball.
chris polk
WE SUCK. THAT IS ALL.
by RAMSALLTHEWAY on Dec 27, 2011 1:03 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Too high for LMJ
Beating off the dog is never appropriate when we have company over...... I mean EVER!
by sergey606 on Dec 27, 2011 1:22 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
You are not doing a very good job of hiding your Duck hate, lol
and why in sweet hell didn’t I mention that sig the other day at the bar. Still the funniest one I’ve ever read. ‘I mean EVER’
Wolf. Wolfgang Wolf
What about a run stuffing DT in Round 2?
A lot of 3-4 teams in the playoffs this year….someone like Brandon Thompson would be a good pickup and great value
Dt is an underrated need on our team
we need one in the draft and one in free agency for me to be comfortable with our front four
by Ram_Redemption on Dec 27, 2011 1:51 PM CST up reply actions
Agreed.
This is a good draft to trade down and fill many needs, imo
yea only issue is
do you trade down and fill holes with good players or take a great player like kalil. i would trade down but im ok with kalil
by Ram_Redemption on Dec 27, 2011 1:54 PM CST up reply actions
If I were to bet on the most likely outcome...
Its going to be the Jaguars throwing their game against the Colts so that they don’t have to see Luck for 10+ years, the Rams then get the #1 overall, draft Luck, trade Bradford to the Browns for a bunch of picks, fire all of their coaches, draft Martin or Reiff with their first pick.
But staying put and picking Kalil is a possible outcome, too.
No one will take bradford and his millions upon millions in guaranteed money in his contract.
Bradford is our QB for the next several years to come, whether you like it or not.
Two things about me will never change. I will always root for the Rams, and I will always root against the Niners.
Damn my Bradford to Miami campaign is crushed! xD
Ignorance is Bliss
by RG31 on Dec 27, 2011 2:28 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
lol, I think they are happy with Matt Moore at the moment anyways.
Two things about me will never change. I will always root for the Rams, and I will always root against the Niners.
Damnit, I was really bankin on it!
Well, Bradford to Dallas! xD
Ignorance is Bliss
by RG31 on Dec 27, 2011 2:31 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Lol dont crush my dreams!
Ignorance is Bliss
by RG31 on Dec 27, 2011 2:55 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
How does the guaranteed money work if Bradford gets traded?
Aren’t the Rams still liable?
I’m ecstatic with either Luck or Bradford, btw. It just makes sense to reunite Bradford with a coach/system that he is familiar with on a team with a good oline while the Rams get to start over with a new GM, new coach and new offensive coordinator.
Either way, if the Rams have to foot the I think around 20 mil left in his contract
all at once, it will kill our cap space, so we can’t afford to trade him away. If the team taking Bradford is responsible for the money, then we would have a hell of a time trading an unproven QB to anytime for that price, and we would either get robbed in the trade, or just wouldn’t be able to find anyone for our asking price, which I assume would be very high.
Two things about me will never change. I will always root for the Rams, and I will always root against the Niners.
I'm not sure Mike was right about that
He said we’d have a lot of dead money, but I’m thinkin we already paid Sam 18 million in a signing bonus that went towards this years cap. Next years cap shouldn’t, therefore, be hit as well with that bonus. The accelerators are the things I’m not sure of though. The incentives are all that’s left, I think. It’s signing bonus, base salariy and incentives. Base Salary is the only guarantee I can think of that hasn’t been paid yet, and that adds up to about 10 million.
Wolf. Wolfgang Wolf
Well we still have a ton of guarnteed money sunk in him in the future
even with that bonus, and if we get rid of Bradford we will just have to eat it. Trading Bradford is not a viable option. He can be productive if we can give him an O line, that is what should be focused on.
Two things about me will never change. I will always root for the Rams, and I will always root against the Niners.
I agree
but I think the O-line needs a better coach first before we continue to spend a bunch of high picks on it.
by Mean Machine II on Dec 27, 2011 5:33 PM CST up reply actions
I like this draft
Only thing is we need a DT. Maybe pass on the running back and grab a DT in the 4th.
Look...
All of you are pissing me off talking about drafting a freaking OT. HOW MAY LINEMAN DO WE NEED TO DRAFT BEFORE WE DRAFT A SKILL POSITION???
First of all, we don’t suck because our OL sucks. The Green Bay Packers won the Super Bowl and the Steelers played in the Super Bowl last year with THE WORST offensive lines in football. Look it up. They didn’t continually draft OL to protect Ben and Rodgers, they drafted skill positions to get open and move the offense (Wallace, Brown, Starks, etc).
Secondly, has it ever occurred to any of you that reason Sam Bradford is always pressured or on the ground is due to the fact we don’t have any receivers that threaten a defensive coordinator??? How many teams do you see blitzing the Packers? Little to none because they know if they send 7 or 8 guys, it will be a 15 yard gain by one of their TALENTED RECEIVERS. If they sent 7 or 8 guys blitzing versus the Saints all the time, Drew Brees will be throwing for 7 touchdowns a game instead of 4 like he does. Brees and that offense isn’t good because of their offensive line, it’s good because they have SKILL POSITION PLAYERS THAT MAKE PLAYS! But we have none so they send 7 and 8 guys consistently every series because Donnie Avery, Sims Walker, and Brandon Lloyd don’t scare them! And what happens when they send them? Our receivers either drop the ball or they don’t get open which leads to a sack.
My point is, it doesn’t matter how many big names and all time greats we have on the offensive line, without the skill players to make big plays, we will always get blitzed and it’s going to work at least every other series. We could have the All-Madden team of Offensive Line and Sam Bradford would still do terrible! All the good QB’s don’t have great offensive lines (Brady, Brees, Rodgers, P. Manning, hell even Cam Newton). They just know how to make plays and know how to get rid of the ball!
On this team, we are all united in a common goal: to keep my job.
-- Lou Holtz
by RamsMan83 on Dec 27, 2011 2:10 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
The Packers have the blueprint
Draft a franchise QB. Groom him to be great. Nail all of your draft picks for 3 years, including one that involved trading down a lot.
WR or LT….thats not the point. The point is not to whiff on the pick and to keep doing so for a couple of years. The Rams were so depleted when Spags got the job and it makes missing on draft picks seem even more ridiculous when it shouldn’t be that hard to make the team
Hahah "all the good QB's don't have great offensive lines."
Since when did Brady and Brees have bad offensive lines LOL. They’re elite. Newton’s line is not that bad either. It’s got injuries, but not bad.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
agreed douchie!
theres some pro-bowl players on on all those o-lines mentioned. smh….@ramsman83.
by Mark Jaramillo on Dec 27, 2011 2:28 PM CST up reply actions
Not to mention Matt's brother Ryan Kalil
was the player the Panthers put the franchise tag on before the season.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
Patriots and Packers
also drafted a tackle in the first round last year
SMH...
The Saints offensive line has NO ONE that was drafted higher than the fourth round and I’m sure none of you could name one of them without looking it up. 2 were 4 round picks, 1 was a fifth, one was a seventh and one was undrafted. Point being, you don’t need to spend high draft picks on lineman. Miami drafted Jake Long and what has he done for their organization? However the Falcons selected Matt Ryan and look where they are…
On this team, we are all united in a common goal: to keep my job.
-- Lou Holtz
Yep...
And only Solder is starting for the Patriots. He’s really been the glue that has helped Brady and that offense be so great this year….
On this team, we are all united in a common goal: to keep my job.
-- Lou Holtz
There should be some stock put in this
I’m not sure how much, but skill players may be harder to pinpoint than “in the trenches” type guys, suggesting you’d want to spend higher picks on them. I’d bet the league average for starting OL/DL is a lower draft position than say WR/CB/S but I haven’t done the research in awhile (though awhile back, I did QB’s vs DL in the pro bowl by draft position and it was overwhelmingly disparate in favor of high spots for QB’s vs lower spots for DL).
Someone with free time should check the numbers on this and do a fanpost, lol. Something like Pro Bowl WR’s by draft position vs Pro Bowl OL by draft position- should lead to some interesting discussion (though the draft should really be examined on a case by case basis).
All you need in this life is ignorance and confidence, and then success is sure.
-Mark Twain
Interior linemen
are generally drafted much later than top skill position prospects. Left tackles are the ones picked high. I mean Pouncey was taken at the back end of the first round and he’s one of the best centers already.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
I want you to take a look at
Tom Brady’s offensive line and then his skill position players. Tell me which one is better? Umm, his OL wins out and it’s not even close. Not one bit. Dude, I really have to question whether you watch football. Draft picks don’t mean shit for someone’s success. Jason Smith sure as hell is a top player in this league, right?
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
Jake Long is one of the best LTs in the NFL.
They also have one of the top WRs in the NFL (Brandon Marshall, who was taken in the 4th round, further proof we don’t need to take a WR in the 1st). Their problem is they don’t have a very good QB or defense. has nothing to do with play makers on their offense. They have Reggie Bush blowing up for gods sake, don’t even know why you brought up Miami. We already have a QB and we have sank millions and millions of guaranteed money into him, we need to protect him, or it’s a total waste of an investment, because he will not be able to make plays. We can find WRs much easier in later rounds than a quality LT that can come in and anchor our O line for years to come. WRs are a dime a dozen.
Two things about me will never change. I will always root for the Rams, and I will always root against the Niners.
I think you may be exaggerating on projecting WR's
Just because there are more productive WR’s in the league, you still need to take into account that there are an avg of 3 WR’s on the field vs 1 LT.
All you need in this life is ignorance and confidence, and then success is sure.
-Mark Twain
which makes LT even more important and harder to find.
Once a team has a top LT, how often do they let them go? You think Miami or Clevelend will ever let Joe Thomas or Jake Long go? Not on your life. Because LTs are one of the most, if not the most important position on the offense. They are needed every single play, in the run and especially in the passing game, and if you don’t have a good LT, your QB is sacked and pressured relentless from the top rushers in the league, just like poor Sam has been this year.
Two things about me will never change. I will always root for the Rams, and I will always root against the Niners.
Yup.
WRs walk all the time. You think the Eagles would EVER do what they’re doing with DeSean Jackson to Jason Peters?
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
If you think the Eagles offense would be just as good or better without D Jackson then you are retarded and need to be committed to a Psych ward...
On this team, we are all united in a common goal: to keep my job.
-- Lou Holtz
What he is saying is
Peters is more important than Jackson.
2 men enter 1 man leaves. THOSE ARE THE RULES OF THUNDER DOME!
"I learned that Madonna will be singing at the Super Bowl. I thought this was football not the soundtrack to your menopause." ~ RAMpage28
He's saying D.Jax can be replaced much easier than their starting LT could.
And that is a very true statement, as much as I love Desean Jackson.
Two things about me will never change. I will always root for the Rams, and I will always root against the Niners.
Oh really?
Explain to me why the Eagles are bad this year? I believe 99% of Eagles fans would place blame on…THE O-LINE. You know, the shortcomings are on the offensive line despite having Maclin, Jackson, Celek, Avant, and McCoy?
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
and Vick, one of the best scramblers in the business, is still getting sacked to shit.
If the o line faulters, your team loses, plain and simple. We need to pick up a franchise LT, and pick up a quality inside OL and hope Saffold can produce better at RT than he did at LT this year. We can look for a proven, experienced, starter ready WR in the FA.
Two things about me will never change. I will always root for the Rams, and I will always root against the Niners.
Definitely.
This is stressed on EVERY SINGLE SNF/MNF games. All they talk about how is how important it is to get pressure on the quarterback. The task in defending that lies in the o-line. Who would have guessed.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
Ummm no...
You must not watch football because the entire country is looking at their DEFENSE as to why they are so bad. You can even look on the front page of turf show times to see that…smh.
On this team, we are all united in a common goal: to keep my job.
-- Lou Holtz
Hey,
I’m gonna believe every Eagles fan I’ve talked to over your words. They have poor run defense and poor blocking. We all know this. There is a reason Vick has only 15 TDs to 13 interceptions with less than 60% completion. It’s because he’s running for his life all the time. Go to the Eagles blog and say “Vick sucks this year.” I guarantee you they will start crying o-line.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
Our defense is why we are so bad or the eagle's defense?
TST is only for the rams, so that leads me to believe you are saying our offense, which is one of the worst in the history of the NFL, is not the key to our loses this year. If you are talking about the Eagles, their site is not called turf show times, it is called Bleeding Green nation. And both sides of the ball in Philly are struggling, the offense is struggling because of their O line. The packers D is one of the worst in the league and they still win games because they have a damn good O line that allows Rogers to get the ball in the hands of his playmakers.
Two things about me will never change. I will always root for the Rams, and I will always root against the Niners.
Because they have no one that was drafter higher than the 4th
means they’re bad? By that logic, the Patriots’ best quarterback is Ryan Mallett because, gasp, he was drafted in the 3rd round! How often do you hear Gruden say “the Saints have the best guard tandem in the league.” How about Bushrod? Not too shabby. Their line is very good. Our best lineman was undrafted, you forget about that? Miami drafted Jake Long and they got a premier player at a premier position that they won’t have to worry about for years. I don’t understand how you grade offensive lineman, but draft picks aren’t the way to do it. Sorry, but your argument is just flat out stupid. The Falcons also have premier players along their line. Did you watch their game against the Eagles? How often did you hear the commentators bash the left tackle while the Falcons were stagnant on offense in the first half because Sam Baker was constantly getting beat?
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
The idea is that
good OL players aren’t necessarily drafted high, not that you don’t need good OL. Good WR’s may be found more often in early rounds in comparison to good OL.
All you need in this life is ignorance and confidence, and then success is sure.
-Mark Twain
No,
but good left tackles are almost taken high. Whether they pan out is a different story, but any elite left tackle prospect is gone in the top 10. Look at the 2010 draft for further proof.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
tyron smith went 7th
and kalil is loads better than that guy
by Ram_Redemption on Dec 27, 2011 3:00 PM CST up reply actions
Kalil is the reason
Tyron Smith played right tackle at USC lol. Kalil was just as sophomore too.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
we need kalil
every since i watch joe thomas buttrape suggs i couldnt stop wanting a similar LT
by Ram_Redemption on Dec 27, 2011 3:12 PM CST up reply actions
I haven't looked into it
but my gut feeling says, if you absolutely need an elite WR, then you absolutely need to take him with a high pick, while the percentage may be slightly lower for a LT. But again, this is just my feeling at the moment.
All you need in this life is ignorance and confidence, and then success is sure.
-Mark Twain
Jones and Green > Blackmon
as pro prospects. Blackmon is a giant reach that high.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
I think your right about the prospects
but I don’t think Blackmon’s a GIANT reach.
All you need in this life is ignorance and confidence, and then success is sure.
-Mark Twain
A year ago
people talked about Blackmon as a possible 10-15 pick. He had a much better season last year and all of a sudden he’s top 5? No, it’s because this WR class is horrible.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
lol, if he had a "much better season"
then of course he should move up. I think this board is getting a little heated over this topic.
All you need in this life is ignorance and confidence, and then success is sure.
-Mark Twain
Last year as in 2010.
He had a much better season in 2010 but was look at as a 10-15 pick because Jones and Green. He regresses a bit in 2011 but is all of a sudden a top 5 pick? That’s because this receiver class sucks. Sorry if I didn’t write that clear enough.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
so wat your saying douchie
is that even though blackmon wasnt as good as last year…. he is gonna be reached on by someone dumb like the rams cause the WR talent (or leacktherof) is so bad? so simple it seems complicated. hmmmm
by Ram_Redemption on Dec 27, 2011 3:44 PM CST up reply actions
How is it a reach?!?!
The man put up 1700 yards followed by 1300 yards the next season!!!!! Is he supposed to go from 1700 to 2000 yards the next season?!?! ARE YOU HIGH??? So by that logic that means Chris Johnson should have gone from over 2000 yards in 2009 to over 21 or 2200 yards in 2010, or else he would be considered regressing?!?!
You are retarded…plain and simple…
On this team, we are all united in a common goal: to keep my job.
-- Lou Holtz
If college stats were everything
then Case Keenum is the first overall pick. Blackmon plays in an offense that is designed for receivers to put up gaudy stats. When he’s gone, someone else will. Clearly, you’re the retarded one. You’re the type who think college success translates to pro success. “Tebow had over 50 touchdowns and won the Heisman, WHY IS HE SO BAD!?”
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
No one is saying CJ
was supposed to run for 2100, but if you don’t think CJ regressed than you’re dumber than a first grader. Blackmon regressed but is still good. My point was he regressed but is now seen as a higher pick. That is a direct result of a shitty receiver class.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
WTF are you talking about?!?
How about you get regressed out of your mind and use words like “came back down to reality”, because that’s exactly what happened. None of them regressed at all! It’s called they had a BREAKOUT SEASON and came back to earth. You don’t regress by putting up still good numbers.
But since we are on the subject, let me ask you…Since Drew Brees has put up over 5100 yards this season, if he only throws for let’s say 4300 yards next season, is that regressing?
On this team, we are all united in a common goal: to keep my job.
-- Lou Holtz
Hey, idiot,
this is far and away Chris Johnson’s worse season as a pro. If he went back to his rookie numbers, then that’s back to reality. THIS is regression how bad he’s been. And Blackmon also struggled early. The commentators even pointed this out in his earlier games. Again, turn on a football game or two every once in awhile. That depends, is Drew Brees noticeably less effective?
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
Technically yes.
If you don’t put up as good numbers as you did the year before, that is a regression. But you can regress from crazy good numbers and still be a great player. What you CAN’T do, is regress from those crazy good numbers, and then call the player BETTER than he was the year before. Which is what you are trying to say.
The season he was 1700 yds and 20 TDs, he was projected to be drafted mid 1st round, behind Julio Jones and AJ Green.
Now that he has had a 1300 yd season and less than 20 TDs, you are saying he is BETTER and deserves to be drafted HIGHER than last year. That makes absolutely no sense.
Two things about me will never change. I will always root for the Rams, and I will always root against the Niners.
Hey idiot...
Different teams have different needs each year. So if we draft first, we don’t need a QB so we don’t draft Luck. That doesn’t mean Luck isn’t that good. So if the next teams to draft didn’t need WR’s, guess what? He isn’t getting picked! That doesn’t mean he isn’t that good. But this year, we are drafting top 2 and we need a receiver. We would be a fool not to pick him up
On this team, we are all united in a common goal: to keep my job.
-- Lou Holtz
Okay?
And we have a need for LT and WR, you take the best player available. That is Matt Kalil by far. What is your point here? The Vikings need a receiver as well, but every Vikings fan I’ve seen on the ‘net say they want Matt Kalil badly. Unfortunately for them, they probably won’t get him now.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
We pick up blackmon 2nd round
every scout/GM/Coach/Fan that has a clue laughs at as for taking a mid 1st round talent with the #2 pick when a truly rare talent at a much more important and bigger area of need is present at LT. There will be better talents at WR next year. There will not be a better talent at LT next year.
Two things about me will never change. I will always root for the Rams, and I will always root against the Niners.
I will bet my life that Blackmon doesn't make it past the 15th pick.
No I’m serious. Let’s place a bet. If Blackmon goes before the 15th pick, you shoot yourself. If he doesn’t, I shoot myself…deal?
On this team, we are all united in a common goal: to keep my job.
-- Lou Holtz
And he won't,
he’s the best player at his position in this draft. He was the third best last year.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
I meant to put 1st round, typo lol
Two things about me will never change. I will always root for the Rams, and I will always root against the Niners.
Umm...
How did he regress? He had at least 6 catches in every game this year and at least 95 yards in 8 of 12 games. If that’s regression then our receivers need to be going back in time…
On this team, we are all united in a common goal: to keep my job.
-- Lou Holtz
I want you to look at his stats from this year compared to last year's.
Go ahead. His lowest yard total last year was 105. He had lower than that SEVEN times this season. He also scored a touchdown in EVERY GAME last year.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
ahahahahaha
oh man. That is just funny.
Two things about me will never change. I will always root for the Rams, and I will always root against the Niners.
Percentage isn't lower.
Not even Calvin Johnson cracked the top two. People will take premier left tackles over premier receivers all day unless they have a franchise LT. That happens all the time.. Last year was pretty weak for lineman though.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
Pardon me, Johnson did.
And he is as elite as they get as a WR prospect. Blackmon is not.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
This is kinda moving away from what I was talking about
but Blackmon is probably not as good a WR as Kalil is a LT, but the crux of what I’m saying is, the likelihood that you find a good LT later may be higher than the likelihood you find a good WR later. This isn’t crucial in terms of making the #1 choice (should really look at the utility to your team, value of the position, etc. etc.) but in terms of maximizing draft value (for grading purposes, lol), it may be key.
All you need in this life is ignorance and confidence, and then success is sure.
-Mark Twain
A good LT?
You’ll never know because all of the best LT prospects are taken in the first two rounds. Good luck finding a steal after that, and I’d applaud the GM who does. We’re not talking about interior lineman or right tackles, which are positions that are ignored in the early first.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
But are the "best LT prospects" taken
at a higher rate than the “best WR prospects”. I don’t know, but I’m not sure anyone should be so confident before they’ve looked into it a little further.
All you need in this life is ignorance and confidence, and then success is sure.
-Mark Twain
Like I said, 2010 draft.
Thee LT’s taken in the first 11. No receiver was taken in the top 20. It was a weak WR class, but Trent Williams was the first LT taken and he is nowhere near Kalil.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
I mean, Bruce was a second,
Rod Smith was undrafted, Rice was a mid-first, Jackson was a second, and so was Maclin I believe. It is much easier to find quality receivers than LEFT tackles later in the draft.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
Just because there are cases of late round WR's
doing well, doesn’t mean that it’s easier to find them. I pretty sure you’re missing the point, sooooo- au revoir :)
All you need in this life is ignorance and confidence, and then success is sure.
-Mark Twain
and GMs
will tell you that every time. It’s crazy to think that receivers are taken higher than LTs often. HELL no. Even on draft day they’ll say “a receiver usually isn’t taken this high blah blah.” Left tackles are. There is a reason the Jake Long’s, Jonathan Ogden’s, Orlando Pace’s of the world are always taken top 5.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
There are a ton of cases of late round WRs doing well every year.
Look at Victor Cruz this year, undrafted rookie wide receiver has the 3rd most receiving yards in the league, is doing better than Hakeem Nicks, their first round pick, and is just blowing up. That does not happen with LTs.
Two things about me will never change. I will always root for the Rams, and I will always root against the Niners.
Is Wes Welker still leading in yards?
UDFA.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
Hmmm...
2011
AJ Green
Julio Jones
2010
(22) Demaryius Thomas
(24) Dez Bryant
2009
(7) Darrius Heyward-Bey
(10) Michael Crabtree
(19) Jeremy Maclin
(22) Percy Harvin
(29) Hakeem Nicks
(30) Kenny Britt
2008
None
2007
(2) Calvin Johnson
(9) Ted Ginn Jr.
(23) Dwayne Bowe
(27) Robert Meachem
2006
(25) Santonio Holmes
2005
(3) Braylon Edwards
(27) Roddy White
2004
(3) Larry Fitzgerald
(7) Roy Williams
(9) Reggie Williams
(13) Lee Evans
(29) Michael Jenkins
2003
(3) Andre Johnson
2002
(13) Donte Stallworth
2001
(16) Santana Moss
(30) Reggie Wayne
On this team, we are all united in a common goal: to keep my job.
-- Lou Holtz
What does this have to do with my comment?
10 top 10 receivers in the past 10 years. Not look up LT. I dare you.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
Here you go, and I'll actually link to my source.
In the past two years, 12 tackles have been drafted in the first round — seven in the top 15, four in the top eight. No other position has been as coveted. Not even close.
- Source (NFL.com for christs sake)
Two things about me will never change. I will always root for the Rams, and I will always root against the Niners.
LOL
holy shit. Didn’t realize there were 12 taken.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
And of those numbers...
only TWO, (count them – 1….2…) were taken in the top 20 picks last year.
TWO (count them – 1….2…) WR’s were taken in the top 6 picks last year….
On this team, we are all united in a common goal: to keep my job.
-- Lou Holtz
And that was the best receiver class probably since CJ came out.
Again, I go back to 2010 if you want to play this. Only 0. Count ’em – ZERO, receiver went in the top 20. 3 lineman went top 11.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
LOL,
yes, you know better than the NFL analysts themselves. Would you listen to yourself? You have no leg to stand on. Vince Lombardi himself could come back and tell you LTs are more valuable than WRs and you still wouldn’t listen. You are truly lost.
Two things about me will never change. I will always root for the Rams, and I will always root against the Niners.
Hmmm...
Please show me where I said LT’s aren’t valuable. I never said that. But I did say if you have 2 equally good players at their position and we need both AND WE GOT A LT IN THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS, why would we go AGAIN with a LT when we haven’t even drafted a high WR or skill position yet?
On this team, we are all united in a common goal: to keep my job.
-- Lou Holtz
They were equally good in college.
However, as NFL prospects, only idiots put Blackmon in the same category as Kalil.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
Agreed. As NFL prospects and level of importance to our team
you cannot compare Blackmon and Kalil. if we trade down and get two first round picks, then I could see taking martin or reiff with our 1st, then, if Blackmon or another quality WR is available (which there will be).
Two things about me will never change. I will always root for the Rams, and I will always root against the Niners.
You are saying WR is more valuable than LT.
Which is absurd.
Two things about me will never change. I will always root for the Rams, and I will always root against the Niners.
And WRs
have among the highest bust rates among the league. There has been actual research on this.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
The bust rate has little impact on the idea though
it’s the exclusivity of “elite WR’s” in the top rounds vs the exclusivity of “elite LT’s” in the top rounds. If there’s a lower rate for WR’s, then that should further enforce the need to take WR’s high- not deter you.
All you need in this life is ignorance and confidence, and then success is sure.
-Mark Twain
Blakmon is the third best reciever
in last year’s draft. Matt Kalil is by far and away the best lineman in last year’s draft. Kalil is far more elite a prospect at his position than Blackmon is. He’s worth the 2nd pick, Blackmon is not.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
agree 100%, and we are much more desperate for LT than WR IMO.
The FA this year is strong with WRs, but not one viable LT, because those are too important to let go.
Two things about me will never change. I will always root for the Rams, and I will always root against the Niners.
Seriously,
and I can’t believe it’s getting argued. I mean, don’t get me wrong, I would be glad with Blackmon too. But when it comes to importance of position, who’s more elite at their position, and which position is taken higher, it’s retarded not to say LT.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
So much wrong with this post, but lets just look at talented WRs on the teams you mentioned.
Greg Jennings – 2nd round
Jordy Nelson – 2nd round
Mike Wallace – 3rd round
Antonio Brown – 6th round
Donald Driver – 7th round
Wes Welker – UNDRAFTED
Steve Smith – 3rd round
Marques Colston – 7th round
Pierre Garcon – 6th round
Thanks for making our point for us. We absolutely do not need to take a WR in the 1st round. They can easily be found in later rounds or in the FA. We just need a better FO/coaching staff to find these players, which we should have next season.
Two things about me will never change. I will always root for the Rams, and I will always root against the Niners.
by DuhhhRams! on Dec 27, 2011 2:37 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree with your post...
But you’re missing my point. We need to take our focus away from always drafting offensive line first and think skill positions. They have been neglected for way too long. Look at the Falcons for example…they don’t have a great offensive line by any stretch of the imagination yet you don’t see them grasping at O-lineman in the draft. Instead, they mortgage their future on a great WR in Julio Jones who makes their offense that much better. Those are the types of guys we need to go after, not strictly guys in the trenches.
On this team, we are all united in a common goal: to keep my job.
-- Lou Holtz
but when you need a franchise left tackle more than anything else in this draft
wouldnt it be dumb to pass that up?
by Ram_Redemption on Dec 27, 2011 2:44 PM CST up reply actions
Teams always need a franchise LT...
The Packers don’t have one, the saints don’t have one, the Patriots had one but he’s getting old. I would be willing to pass up on one just to make our entire offense that much better. If we have a franchise LT, then teams will just blitz from the other side because we don’t have a franchise RT, then people will say we need to shore up the other side. It’s a never ending story…
On this team, we are all united in a common goal: to keep my job.
-- Lou Holtz
You realize
that Chad Clifton was in the Pro Bowl as recent as last year, yes? Again, no frickin’ clue what you’re basing your shit on.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
I thought we had that covered with Saffold
Also we don’t always draft an O-lineman first. We did it once with Smith and blew it. Oh well, it’s still our biggest need. We have to try it again with Kalil or trade down, it may not have to be Kalil, but I just don’t understand the logic of making improvements anywhere else playmaker wise when we can’t get the ball in the playmakers hands as it is.
Wolf. Wolfgang Wolf
But that's my point!
We could draft the greatest lineman in the world this year, but if D Coordinators don’t fear our receivers, they will simply put 8 guys in the box and blitz. I don’t care who you have back there, 8 blitzers vs 5.5 (.5 being a RB) lineman WILL NOT WORK!
On this team, we are all united in a common goal: to keep my job.
-- Lou Holtz
You're right only if you're saying one lineman won't do it
If you’re gonna continue to value a WR above a OT then this conversation has to end for my own personal sanity.
Wolf. Wolfgang Wolf
That's exactly what I'm saying...
Help the O-line out by drafting a WR to get guys out of the box and stop teams from blitzing
On this team, we are all united in a common goal: to keep my job.
-- Lou Holtz
I must now be insane
I think I just read that the most helpful thing for our O-line is a WR? Wait a second…..let me run that one by the guys.
Wolf. Wolfgang Wolf
Umm...
I see the point you are trying to make but you are pointing out your own stupidity. A good WR helps out an offensive line just as much as a good OL helps out a WR because the QB has time to throw him the ball…
Does…that…not…make…sense to you?
On this team, we are all united in a common goal: to keep my job.
-- Lou Holtz
My own stupidity......
Gee there go those Harvard plans.. I’m afraid it doesn’t.
Wolf. Wolfgang Wolf
How can it not make sense?
A good offensive makes the a RB and WR better because it opens the holes and allows time for the QB to throw the ball. A good WR makes an offensive line better because he makes the defense play off the line and account for him at all times, therefore taking the pressure off the offensive line. It works both ways…
On this team, we are all united in a common goal: to keep my job.
-- Lou Holtz
A WR
will still get a QB hit the same amount. The only difference is the QB can throw it after 2-3 seconds, take the hit, and MAYBE we can come up with the catch because we got a better receiver. Like 10% better. A better LT? Well, I mean, it gives EVERY receiver more time to run their routes and get open. But you know, you’re right, receiver helps an o-line more.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
a good running game helps the O line a hell of a lot more than a good WR.
And even with SJAX running for 1000+ a year, we still need O line help. Respecting the run is what stops a defense from blitzing, not the pass. If you are a afraid of a team passing against, you do what? You try to pressure the QB. How did the Rams beat the Saints? We pressured the QB. How did the Chiefs beat the Packers? Pressured Rodgers. You are trying to make points in direct opposition of conventional football wisdom.
Two things about me will never change. I will always root for the Rams, and I will always root against the Niners.
Herein lies the problem
You are trying to make points in direct opposition of conventional football wisdom.
I’ve been trying to justify this reverse logic in my mind and it’s just not coming to fruition. I can understand, at first, the concept of all positions on the offense being entertwined with each other for the sake of being efficient in eaches job to the execution of the whole, but when it gets to the point of good blocking being less important than a guy who’s, by design, running away from the ganf fight that is the trenches, I run into a brick wall. I played football for coaches who taught me differently you block and tackle first. Everything else comes later. You block and tackle first.
Wolf. Wolfgang Wolf
I played LT, so I may be biased.
But other than QB, LT is far and away the most important position for any successfull passing game.
Two things about me will never change. I will always root for the Rams, and I will always root against the Niners.
Very well said.
Brees was hardly touched when he before the STL game with like 13 sacks. We sacked him 6 times in one week.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
Okay,
and it’ll suddenly work with a receiver? You’re kind of understating how awful our offensive line is.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
lol!
I’m not understating but we have to try something else. We have to get defenses from stacking the box and the only way is to have a good WR to threaten them
On this team, we are all united in a common goal: to keep my job.
-- Lou Holtz
And a good OL doesn't require a first round pick...
Your point?
On this team, we are all united in a common goal: to keep my job.
-- Lou Holtz
My point is there are plenty of fast guys who can spread the defense
Kalil is as sure a thing to his position as Luck is to his. Sure the whole draft is full of riskd, but you take the BPA in a position of need. This may sound like oversimplifying it but, it is that simple. We don’t have a LT. We need to protect Sam or he’s gonna get injured and possibly worse. We invested a helluva lot of money in him and you know what? He’s not playing these days. Why is he not playing these days?
That’s my point.
Wolf. Wolfgang Wolf
We have a LT in Jason Smith...
We invested a helluva lot of money into O-line as well and it’s not doing anything for us. What is the common denominator in all of this? We haven’t had a playmaker on the outside since Torry Holt left.
On this team, we are all united in a common goal: to keep my job.
-- Lou Holtz
What is also a common denominator in all of this.
Our QB’s spend too much time on the ground for them to get the ball to WR’s.
2 men enter 1 man leaves. THOSE ARE THE RULES OF THUNDER DOME!
"I learned that Madonna will be singing at the Super Bowl. I thought this was football not the soundtrack to your menopause." ~ RAMpage28
That is the single most unintelligent thing I have read all day
How’s that working out for us? Better yet watch what happens this off season.
Wolf. Wolfgang Wolf
Getting Brandon Lloyd did not help our offense.
He consistently gets open and deep too, know why we can’t get the ball to him? Because our QBs are always flat on their back.
Two things about me will never change. I will always root for the Rams, and I will always root against the Niners.
Brandon Lloyd is not a #1 WR
Miami got Jake Long and look what he did for their offense…oh that’s right…
Well, the Raiders got Robert Gallery that one year, that helped them reach the Super…nevermind…
We got Jason Smith 2 or 3 years ago…That really put us ahead in the division!…oh yeah…
Meanwhile, the 49ers got that GREAT OT and now they are the #2 seed in the playoffs!!! Oh yeah, they didn’t.
Well Seattle got that amazing OT that was once in a lifetime 2 years ago and that’s what helped them get into the playoffs and beat the saints! hmmm….nope that wasn’t it
On this team, we are all united in a common goal: to keep my job.
-- Lou Holtz
You do realize the year they drafted
Jake Long they went from 1 win to 11 wins, right? Gallery was a LT bust. They also got DHB in the top 10 and look how that’s been? See, this works both ways. Now you’re just getting desperate. Who are the Niners’ best receivers again? I could have sworn if was their running game and defense that got them this far. Sure as hell ain’t their receivers. Seahawks also got Sidney Rice and how has that worked out? A healthy Russell Okung has made a much bigger impact than a healthy Rice. Plus, Okung was NOT once in a lifetime. He was very athletic and still has a high ceiling, and you can see it when he plays. But then again, you’re probably a fantasy football only kind of guy.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
We drafted Orlando Pace in 1997
And went to 2 SBs winning one. We screwed up on Smith and on Barron, and look where it got us.
Wolf. Wolfgang Wolf
We haven't had a #1 receiver since Torry Holt
And looks where it got us…
On this team, we are all united in a common goal: to keep my job.
-- Lou Holtz
I'm sorry,
but isn’t Bulger getting beat the shit out of what everyone said led to his downfall? O-line.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
Point Douchiedude
2 men enter 1 man leaves. THOSE ARE THE RULES OF THUNDER DOME!
"I learned that Madonna will be singing at the Super Bowl. I thought this was football not the soundtrack to your menopause." ~ RAMpage28
What #1 receiver did he have to throw to?
On this team, we are all united in a common goal: to keep my job.
-- Lou Holtz
Torry Holt.... LOL
Two things about me will never change. I will always root for the Rams, and I will always root against the Niners.
LOL
and Isaac Bruce?
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
This guy has no idea what he's talking about.
And contradicts himself every other post.
Two things about me will never change. I will always root for the Rams, and I will always root against the Niners.
What?
So Issac Bruce was a number #1 when Bulger took over? Kill yourself. That’s like saying Donald Driver is the #1 receiver on the Packers now. You must be legally retarded
On this team, we are all united in a common goal: to keep my job.
-- Lou Holtz
You shouldn't lash out like that
Try to be thankful that so many of us have shown you the respect of replying to your opinions, though we don’t agree. We could just stop if you’d like. Whether we agree or not I feel improved to listen to your point of view. Let’s trry not to take any of this personally.
Wolf. Wolfgang Wolf
I feel dumber listening to his dumbass reasoning.
There is no sugarcoating it.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
You're right. Isaac sucked when Bulger took over.
Holt and Bruce were co-#1 guys. Their numbers suffered from having the other on the other side.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
And telling me to kill myself.
Are you fucking 12?
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
Without Torry Holt we had Bruce Hakim and Kennison
Kennison was the only first rounder and he wasn’t really a factor. And none of that happened without Pace. Then Pace got hurt in 2003 for the first 5 games so Warner got the shit kicked out of him and was benched for Bulger. So Pace comes back and all of a sudden Bulger gets the credit for the 5 wins in a row. This is the most obvious monumental failure personnel wise I witnessed on the field. It was the beginning of the end, when I realized our values had taken a severe turn for the worse. If it happens again it will further stunt our growth.
Wolf. Wolfgang Wolf
Detroit drafted Calvin Johnson and went 0-16 the next year.
Your argument is invalid.
Two things about me will never change. I will always root for the Rams, and I will always root against the Niners.
The Rams drafted Pace...
in 97 and went 5-11 then in 98 went 4-12…
In 1999 we got Marshall Faulk & Torry Holt and…wait for it…WON THE SUPER BOWL
Your argument is further proved invalid and you never need to speak again…
On this team, we are all united in a common goal: to keep my job.
-- Lou Holtz
But take pace out of that equation
do the rams still win the super bowl?
2 men enter 1 man leaves. THOSE ARE THE RULES OF THUNDER DOME!
"I learned that Madonna will be singing at the Super Bowl. I thought this was football not the soundtrack to your menopause." ~ RAMpage28
Also If I remember correctly warner wasn't QB in 97 and 98
what about him?
2 men enter 1 man leaves. THOSE ARE THE RULES OF THUNDER DOME!
"I learned that Madonna will be singing at the Super Bowl. I thought this was football not the soundtrack to your menopause." ~ RAMpage28
You can't just point at some pieces of the puzzle and give them everything.
Look at the big picture.
2 men enter 1 man leaves. THOSE ARE THE RULES OF THUNDER DOME!
"I learned that Madonna will be singing at the Super Bowl. I thought this was football not the soundtrack to your menopause." ~ RAMpage28
Exactly my point...
It’s skill position players that get you to the promised land. O-line is the foundation but it takes more than just that to win.
On this team, we are all united in a common goal: to keep my job.
-- Lou Holtz
If you build something with out a foundation it falls apart.
O-line is the foundation so with out that we don’t have our superbowl win.
2 men enter 1 man leaves. THOSE ARE THE RULES OF THUNDER DOME!
"I learned that Madonna will be singing at the Super Bowl. I thought this was football not the soundtrack to your menopause." ~ RAMpage28
I agree
But tell that to Green Bay…
On this team, we are all united in a common goal: to keep my job.
-- Lou Holtz
Green bay's offensive line is not bad.
They are injured this year and still miles better than what we have when healthy.
Two things about me will never change. I will always root for the Rams, and I will always root against the Niners.
Can you tell me
Tom Brady’s best receiver when he won his three Super Bowls? Big Ben’s best was Hines Ward. Great and smart overall player, but not an elite pass catcher. Kurt had Fitzgerald on the hottest pass catching streak in postseason history and lost. Their current best receiver is a third rounder and they took a center with their first pick last year, who is their best offensive lineman now.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
Yes...
Not discounting Pace but you need more than an O-Line
On this team, we are all united in a common goal: to keep my job.
-- Lou Holtz
Yes, you need a running game and a good QB.
Two things about me will never change. I will always root for the Rams, and I will always root against the Niners.
And then won the Super Bowl
and every future/current Hall of Famer on our team credits Pace the most. What more do you need?
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
WTF
So what you are saying is THE MOST IMPORTANT PIECE OF THE GREATEST SHOW ON TURF WAS ORLANDO PACE? Please answer with a yes or no….
On this team, we are all united in a common goal: to keep my job.
-- Lou Holtz
Ask Marshall, Kurt, Torry, and Isaac the same question.
They’re already on record saying was the motor that drove them.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
LOL...
wow…please put down the pipe sir…if you think we win a super bowl without Marshall Faulk or Kurt Warner then you really need help, seriously…
On this team, we are all united in a common goal: to keep my job.
-- Lou Holtz
And if you think we win one without Pace then you're high.
Good chance Kurt gets hurt in Martz’ offense without Pace. Hell, more than a good chance.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
Blackmon isn't that guy.
What you’re looking for is a Fitzgerald, Andre/Calvin Johnson. Blackmon is that sure handed guy that you can rely on WITH TIME in the pocket, but he’s not the guy defenses are gonna fear over SJ.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
I think he is.
Julio Jones got just as much praise as Blackmon is getting. Julio is that type of receiver, why isn’t Blackmon? His game tape is amazing
On this team, we are all united in a common goal: to keep my job.
-- Lou Holtz
Julio Jones
ran a sub-4.40 and is one of the biggest freak of nature athletes at his position. Blackmon isn’t even close in terms of physical attributes. Blackmon is getting as much praise because he is the best receiver in this draft. There is no Jones or Green to go ahead of him, and they would have if Blackmon was in last year’s draft.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
Seriously, Jones was one of the tops at every combine event in his position.
And he is a 6’4 monstrosity. AJ Green and Julio are those freaks of nature WRs that don’t come around every year. There aren’t any prospects at WR on their level this year.
Two things about me will never change. I will always root for the Rams, and I will always root against the Niners.
classic example of a guy
thinking you can send a WR out there with a shitty oline and we will win games.. problem is most “fans” only want to see us win if we are lighting up the scoreboard, and since WR’s score td’s, you want them without any foundation at all
by Ram_Redemption on Dec 27, 2011 3:02 PM CST up reply actions
No I'm not saying that at all
But look at the league…How many teams blitz the Lions with Megatron out there? They don’t do it as often since they have to double him or have safety help over the top. Look at the Eagles and Desean Jackson. If you know he can burn you for 30 easily, would you blitz Mike Vick or would you drop back in zone (which in turn helps out the offensive line since they are only sending 3 or 4 guys)?
On this team, we are all united in a common goal: to keep my job.
-- Lou Holtz
look at the patriots
not a single wide reciever out there that should scare anyone but brady simply does not get touched back there and when he does…they lose
by Ram_Redemption on Dec 27, 2011 3:07 PM CST up reply actions
ummm...
There is a guy named Gronkowski that scares EVERY D-Coordinator and requires a Linebacker to cover him EVERY play. Guess what? If that LB is in coverage, he isn’t blitzing. There is also a guy named Welker who has a knack for getting open underneath the defense. If the defense blitzes, then that leaves his “home” wide open. I can tell you aren’t a professional defensive coordinator or never played a game of madden…
On this team, we are all united in a common goal: to keep my job.
-- Lou Holtz
Okay,
go ahead and find me a tight end as good as Gronkowski. Oh yeah, and he’s a second rounder. They don’t have a receiver better than ours this year. What they have is time to run routes and a QB like Brady to get it to them.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
exactly NOT a wide reciever just a well built TEAM
by Ram_Redemption on Dec 27, 2011 3:14 PM CST up reply actions
Skill Position Players...
On this team, we are all united in a common goal: to keep my job.
-- Lou Holtz
not one that was taken in the top five tho
and u keep putting emphasis on WR’s and i just gave you a great team that didnt need one because their oline is the shit
by Ram_Redemption on Dec 27, 2011 3:16 PM CST up reply actions
All these top teams you are listing have no skill position players drafted in the 1st round.
So how is this making your point that we should take a skill position player in the 1st round?
Two things about me will never change. I will always root for the Rams, and I will always root against the Niners.
duhhramms
dude me and you should run the FO together. we are like ebony and ivory right now lmao
by Ram_Redemption on Dec 27, 2011 3:18 PM CST up reply actions
I'm not saying first round...
But I am saying if we have to choose between a good LT and a good WR, why not go WR?? Blackmon is a great WR and I’m sure Kahlil is a great OT. Why chose OT over WR when we already have so much money invested in the OL and it’s not paying dividends???
On this team, we are all united in a common goal: to keep my job.
-- Lou Holtz
Because you don't judge need by adding up the budgets of the departments
If you do you’re not running the business your counting Beanes. This isn’t money ball.
Wolf. Wolfgang Wolf
no one is saying that
we are saying kalil is loads better than ANY wide out in this draft so picking them over kalil is dumb
by Ram_Redemption on Dec 27, 2011 3:23 PM CST up reply actions
How can you say Kalil is loads better?
Everyone has him rated high. They even said if he would have come out last year, he would have gone higher than AJ Green…
On this team, we are all united in a common goal: to keep my job.
-- Lou Holtz
Are you schizophrenic?
or is flip-flopping your intended strategy in this debate?
Wolf. Wolfgang Wolf
Unless you're talkin gabout Blackmon
my mistake, except no one projected Blackmon over Green last year. No one.
Wolf. Wolfgang Wolf
because everyone has agreed that kalil might be the best player in the draft
blackmon is good but NO ONE has him that high.. and yes kalil might have gone hihger than green
by Ram_Redemption on Dec 27, 2011 3:31 PM CST up reply actions
WHAT?!?
First of all, Luck is the best in the draft rated by everyone. After that, it’s Blackmon. Kalil isn’t even projected to go until 4th or 5th in some drafts.
On this team, we are all united in a common goal: to keep my job.
-- Lou Holtz
Luck is one of the best QB
prospects ever, but Kalil is seen as the more sure pick. Unfortunately for Kalil, QBs are the ONE position valued higher than LT.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
because luck is a qb is he rated higher, just like kalil is rated high because he is a rare LT
and what mock is that? cuase nobody and i mean NOBODY has kalil falling passed us or the vikings.
by Ram_Redemption on Dec 27, 2011 3:34 PM CST up reply actions
Kalil is projected 2nd
in 90% of drafts. You’re high. Blackmon isn’t even top 5 as a prospect. Dude, honestly, just stop. Claiborne is a better CB prospect than Blackmon is a WR prospect.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
thanks dude
he is just obsessed with WR like half of the fans on this site
by Ram_Redemption on Dec 27, 2011 3:36 PM CST up reply actions
Yep, you're right...
We don’t need no sticking WR’s! Let’s just fill up on O line man and the rest will fall into place. Thank God you aren’t anyone’s GM…
On this team, we are all united in a common goal: to keep my job.
-- Lou Holtz
That's not the argument.
Not a single soul on here would say we don’t need a receiver. We don’t need BLACKMON over Kalil is the argument. People are blinded by how weak this class is for receivers, because it’s as bad as 2010.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
Or maybe he just improved his game that much and dominated as he got older...
That tends to happen, you know. People don’t come in their best in their rookie year and that’s it. They progress which is what Blackmon has done…
On this team, we are all united in a common goal: to keep my job.
-- Lou Holtz
Blackmon
regressed this year. Take a look at the sacks. I saw plenty of OSU games. How about that fumble Blackmon had against A&M? The one where no one touched him but he dropped the ball a foot away from the endzone for an A&M touchdown. He was a disappointment the first half of the season and blew up the second half, but he did not progress after his sophomore year. Just look at the stats. Kalil on the other hand did not give up a sack. He also blocked 4 kicks, but that’s another story.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
Take a look at the stats*
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
and A&M touchback.*
Damn, maybe I’m the high one.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
No one is saying that.
Holy shit, before the season starter people had Blackmon pegged as a 10-15th pick. Not a single person in the world would have told you Blackmon would go over Green. MAYBE Jones, but not after the combine Jones had.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
Yeah...
But what about the season he just had??? Does that not matter? Because Sam Bradford was a sure fire franchise QB his rookie season, do we ignore the season he is having now?
On this team, we are all united in a common goal: to keep my job.
-- Lou Holtz
The season he had this year was good.
But you clearly didn’t watch him player last year because he was much better. If he was top 15 after his best season, why do you think he’s top 5 after his second best? Because this is one of the weakest receiver classes in recent memory.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
You should ask
every GM in the past decade the same question too.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
Neither one of those guys spread the field
and neither one of those guys were first rounders.
Wolf. Wolfgang Wolf
Safford should be a RT not LT
That is what he was drafted for
The guys in the trenches our the hardest to find, which is way it is stupid to pass up on them
when you have the opportunity to grab a guy like Kalil, that can anchor the most important position on the O line for a decade. WRs are much easier to find in FA and draft and you have much better odds of hitting on a talented skill position player in later rounds than you are to hit on a franchise LT. We need so much help on this O line is ridiculous, but we do not have a viable starter for our QBs blind side, and it’s getting him killed.
Two things about me will never change. I will always root for the Rams, and I will always root against the Niners.
This is probably the type of guy
who thinks Pace was useless; even though, you know, Torry Holt says he was the most important player on the team during those years.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
So let me ask you...
Who was a more integral piece of the greatest show on turf? Orlando Pace or Marshall Faulk?
On this team, we are all united in a common goal: to keep my job.
-- Lou Holtz
Don't ask me that
we’re not weighing Kalil againt Richardson. But if I had to answer I’d side with what Faulk and Holt both said, and pick Pace.
Wolf. Wolfgang Wolf
lol...
But D Coordinators don’t look at Pace and say “hmm, we aren’t going to blitz because of Pace” they say “we aren’t going to blitz because Marshall will swing out in the flats and burn us for 15 or Holt will speed past our best DB for a big play or Bruce will be open on the slant for a 10 yard gain”. I’m not taking anything away from Pace but it’s more than just an offensive line…
On this team, we are all united in a common goal: to keep my job.
-- Lou Holtz
No but they look at Pace
and have to figure out ways to beat him. They will ask themselves just how are they going to put pressure on the blindside, especially when you have Marshall back there for pass pro as well.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
"it's more than just an offensive line."
That’s funny, because skill position players get all the credit (and you’re a prime example of this) while your average Joe would tell you it’s more than just the skill guys.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
He obviously knows better than the guys on the team who actually gave so much credit to Pace for their success.
You know, guys like Warner, Faulk, Holt and Bruce have no idea what they are talking about when they emphasize how integral their O line was to their success.
Two things about me will never change. I will always root for the Rams, and I will always root against the Niners.
Everyone gives credit to others...
Drew Brees gave credit to his O-line after breaking the record, Emmitt bought his o-line rolexs one year. Everyone gives credit to the o-line, which they deserve, but that doesn’t mean the people that play behind it aren’t that good.
On this team, we are all united in a common goal: to keep my job.
-- Lou Holtz
There is a reason
the offensive line gets the most praise from coaches and players, it’s because fans and the media give them no credit.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
and because without a good O line, even great players will struggle.
How many times a year do we hear “Imagine how could SJAX could have been if he had a decent line”.
Two things about me will never change. I will always root for the Rams, and I will always root against the Niners.
I agree
But I think Larry Ftizgerald and Calvin Johnson are doing just fine behind some shitty offensive lines…
On this team, we are all united in a common goal: to keep my job.
-- Lou Holtz
That's because they're ELITE.
If you wanna compare Blackmon to those two, then be my guest. You’re only making yourself look dumb by doing so. There aren’t even a handful of those types of receivers.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
Blackmon is a far cry from two of the most freakishly talented WRs in the NFL.
Calvin and Larry are freaks of nature. I think only Andre Johnson can compare to them. Blackmon is a solid receiver, but he is nowhere near the athleticism, talent and pure freakish ability that Megatron and Fitz are.
Two things about me will never change. I will always root for the Rams, and I will always root against the Niners.
Ummm...
Julio is only two inches taller and 5 pounds heavier than Julio….
Fitz is only 2 inches taller and 3 pounds heavier…
If they are considered freaks then Blackmon is still scary.
On this team, we are all united in a common goal: to keep my job.
-- Lou Holtz
Who's the second Julio?
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
And it's not just their size,
it’s their athletic ability. If you’ve seen Blackmon play then you know this. He’s still good and has great hands in traffic, but he cannot and will not make the plays Fitz and Megatron do on a regular basis.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
Why is that?
Why want he make the plays they do, just because they’re them?
Ignorance is Bliss
by RG31 on Dec 27, 2011 4:32 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
He's not nearly the same NFL talent they are.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
How do you know this???
You are guessing just like everyone else! I’m sure you were also high on Jimmy Clausen…
On this team, we are all united in a common goal: to keep my job.
-- Lou Holtz
I'm not high on any Notre Dame QB's personally
haven’t produced a QB since Joe. Brady Quinn anybody?
2 men enter 1 man leaves. THOSE ARE THE RULES OF THUNDER DOME!
"I learned that Madonna will be singing at the Super Bowl. I thought this was football not the soundtrack to your menopause." ~ RAMpage28
How do you know he will be?
Again, it works both ways, but pretty much every draftnik will tell you he is NOT a CJ/Fitz receiver. Not even close.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
The scouts/analysts know a hell of a lot more than us, because it is there job.
How do you know better than them? I will go with what the scouts say, which is Matt Kalil is the best LT in the draft, will be taken either #2 or #3, by either us or the Vikings if we are stupid enough to pass on him, and that Blackmon will go somewhere in the middle of the 1st round. Probably around 10th overall.
Two things about me will never change. I will always root for the Rams, and I will always root against the Niners.
People are so fucking blinded
by college schemes today. Blackmon’s numbers are nothing more than Robert Woods’ on Stanford or USC. Jesus. You’d think RG would at least understand as a OU fan.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
Only think they have that he doesnt is height
He has the down field ability, over the middle, catch in traffic, and he has a hell of a catching radius, still don’t get what you’re saying..
Ignorance is Bliss
by RG31 on Dec 27, 2011 4:36 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
And athleticism.
They are faster, stronger (and Blackmon’s strong), more polished route runner, just overall much better combine numbers. Now compare that to their ability to catch the ball and that’s beyond dangerous.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
Yeah don't get mislead in this discussion into the slamming of Blackmon
I know it wasn’t your intention but it’s taking away from the real issue here. That issue is that we need to increase the time our QB has to make his reads and deliver the ball. Without that it don’t matter who we get to catch it. No matter how reverse the logic is otherwise we need an OT before we need a WR. any WR, even one as good as Jlio Jones, if, in fact 83 wants to make that comparison. To me it’s moot.
Wolf. Wolfgang Wolf
Blackmon is good and is going to get taken in the first round for sure.
But we need LT a hell of a lot more than we need a WR. Agreed.
Two things about me will never change. I will always root for the Rams, and I will always root against the Niners.
I think he'll go somewhere around pick 10.
Matt Kalil will not make it out of the top 3, because if we don’t take him, the Vikings will.
Two things about me will never change. I will always root for the Rams, and I will always root against the Niners.
I think he'll be reached for around 6-8
because he really is the only legit receiver in this draft. However, #2 is just fucking absurd lol.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
Yeah unless someone offers the Vikes
a landfill full of picks to move up for RGIII you’re right they will. This is where I’d jump off the Kalil bandwagon, making the choice of Kalil almost moot.
Unless we deal with Cleveland who has a high pick, we can’t afford not to trade down, thereby losing the rights to Kalil. If we get the #1 pick, and Minnesota gets an offer for their pick, and we deal with another team thats in the top 4-5 picks, only then can we pick Kalil.
So the only way I realistically see us getting him is to not get the #1 overall pick. Just too many ‘Ifs’ otherwise.
Wolf. Wolfgang Wolf
I'm fine with trading down and grabbing
Blackmon as well. Like I said earlier, I’d be more than happy with Blackmon. It’s just this crazy idea that he’s more worth the #2 pick to us than Kalil as if we don’t have a need at the second most important in football.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
Agreed
If we don’t trade down, draft Kalil. I’d rather us trade down and get more picks so we can fill more holes in our depth chart.
Two things about me will never change. I will always root for the Rams, and I will always root against the Niners.
I will tell you Marshall,
Marshall would tell you Orlando every single time.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
They mortgaged their future
BECAUSE THEY HAD THE PIECES SET ALREADY.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
Jake Long gave up a sack his senior year,
Matt Kalil did not :).
Sorry, I’m biased haha. I agree, no way we don’t take a franchise LT. We sure as hell do not have one on the roster.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
One of Kalil's strengths that's hardly ever talked about
is his ability to block on the second level. He is so good on screens to the left, the guy will go out and take two people out of the play.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
not at all!
I think Blackmon is the truth, much like Julio Jones!
On this team, we are all united in a common goal: to keep my job.
-- Lou Holtz
except not nearly as good as Julio Jones, or AJ Green.
Two things about me will never change. I will always root for the Rams, and I will always root against the Niners.
Blackmon might have been the highest receiver taken in the 2011 draft, even ahead of A.J. Green, who went No. 4 overall.
One player in particular who could really give Luck a run for his money is Oklahoma State WR Justin Blackmon, one of the breakout stars of the 2010 season.
That’s 2 different sources. Blackmon is the truth, just like Julio Jones
On this team, we are all united in a common goal: to keep my job.
-- Lou Holtz
No he wouldn't have been,
stop with this nonsense.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
Could you at least name the sources
So I could proceed to tear them apart? Hehehe
Wolf. Wolfgang Wolf
Just look them up!
2010 – 111 Rec, 1782 yards & 20 TD’s…how could he NOT be considered a top 5 pick?
On this team, we are all united in a common goal: to keep my job.
-- Lou Holtz
So what you're saying is
you intend to keep your sources private. Good strategy!
Wolf. Wolfgang Wolf
We cant have that, im on now too!
Ignorance is Bliss
by RG31 on Dec 27, 2011 2:59 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Only problem I see is
Blackmon isn’t near the physical talent that Jones and Green are, and they didn’t even go top 2. It would be a huge reach to take him that high.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
Draft.....
If the Rams have the number 2 pick and there are teams that would be willing to give them a boatload of draft picks for the number 2 pick why not then trade down? With Adrian Peterson’s injury the Vikings at number 3 might now reconsider drafting a running back next year before going for an offensive lineman. I can the Rams and the Cleveland Browns at number 4 who are very much in the QB needs working out a deal with each other.
But if the Rams get the number 1 pick I say all bets are off. Draft Andrew Luck, trade Sam Bradford for some great picks. I would even say it’s time to trade Steven Jackson. At 29 going on 30 it’s best to trade too soon while he’s worth something then to trade too late.
Plus, Luck would be much cheaper to have on the roster.
My campaign is still alive,
Sam to Miami! xD
Ignorance is Bliss
by RG31 on Dec 27, 2011 3:00 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
And im gonna say the same thing,
Don’t crush my dreams!
Ignorance is Bliss
by RG31 on Dec 27, 2011 3:02 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Wrong about Luck being cheaper to have on the roster than Bradford.
Much of Bradfords money is already guaranteed, so if we take luck, we would have to pay for Luck and Bradford, even if we get rid of bradford. Bradford is our QB for the next several years whether anyone likes it or not, so just get past that.
Two things about me will never change. I will always root for the Rams, and I will always root against the Niners.
Sorry lol I really want to see Richardson in blue and gold
by diehardram87 on Dec 27, 2011 4:25 PM CST up reply actions
God no,
Have much bigger needs than rb, I’d say maybe next years draft though.
Ignorance is Bliss
by RG31 on Dec 27, 2011 4:27 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I know we have bigger needs but I feel he's going to be a stud in the vein of our very own Steven Jackson
by diehardram87 on Dec 27, 2011 4:35 PM CST up reply actions
Hope that doesn't cause a blockage
Steven still too serviceable to replace him right now. Other needs more important.
Wolf. Wolfgang Wolf
God no huh... RG31 on Trent Richardson going to us in the first.
2 men enter 1 man leaves. THOSE ARE THE RULES OF THUNDER DOME!
"I learned that Madonna will be singing at the Super Bowl. I thought this was football not the soundtrack to your menopause." ~ RAMpage28
Plenty of running backs
are top 5 picks. Trent Richardson is one of them. It’s just this crazy idea that the running game is no longer important that drops them all.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
Not as important as they used to be....
Ignorance is Bliss
by RG31 on Dec 27, 2011 4:45 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
People still need running games.
It’s just as important, just the demand isn’t as high because people find good ones in later rounds now. Running back is generally considered the easiest transition from college to pro.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
Exactly
Barely worth a first round pick IMO, look at Peterson, best rb in the league and what’s his teams record?
Ignorance is Bliss
by RG31 on Dec 27, 2011 4:55 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
To be fair for Peterson,
he DID carry a Tarvaris Jackson-led team to the playoffs. Unfortunately the entire team is getting old and losing talent. Richardson IMO has that potential. Just a fuckin’ freak of an athlete.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
People always credit T jack for that season but gus frerotte got them to the playoffs
T-Jack just rode the bench till he fucked up in the playoffs.
2 men enter 1 man leaves. THOSE ARE THE RULES OF THUNDER DOME!
"I learned that Madonna will be singing at the Super Bowl. I thought this was football not the soundtrack to your menopause." ~ RAMpage28
Still proves my point
Peterson is a great rb but the only season they actually stood a chance and made a run is when they pick up Favre, rb just doesn’t effect the game as much as it used to.
Ignorance is Bliss
by RG31 on Dec 27, 2011 4:59 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I meant plenty of backs are worth top 5 picks*, my bad.
I know they won’t be picked in the top 5 anymore.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
Can we trade back to Miami
and take Jonathon Martin? Get their first this year and next, their second, third, and forth this year. Plus a third next. So it would look about like this: Jonathon Martin in 1st, Kendall Wright in 2nd, Danny Trevathon with other 2nd (based on what you’ve said his stock should rise), Monte Ball, Lamar Miller, or Chris Polk with first 3rd, Derek Wolfe with second third. Coryell Judie in 4th, and a guard/center with other fourth.
This is how I want it right now
1. Kalil
2. Trade back up to the lower 1st: Floyd
3. Travis Lewis
4. Powell
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by RG31 on Dec 27, 2011 4:25 PM CST via mobile reply actions
good.....i thought powell was staying in school
WE SUCK. THAT IS ALL.
by RAMSALLTHEWAY on Dec 27, 2011 4:32 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
If he is
Then LaMicheal is my 4th round pick
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by RG31 on Dec 27, 2011 4:33 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
nooo!!!!!!
Take Wolfe from Cincinnati….
WE SUCK. THAT IS ALL.
by RAMSALLTHEWAY on Dec 27, 2011 4:34 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Havent heard of him
Whats he got that sets him apart come LaMicheal.
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by RG31 on Dec 27, 2011 4:37 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Thought he was over that..
Ignorance is Bliss
by RG31 on Dec 27, 2011 4:40 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
he is a DT for cinci
Look him up bro
WE SUCK. THAT IS ALL.
by RAMSALLTHEWAY on Dec 27, 2011 4:41 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
He probably expected you to replace LMJ with another RB
I agree with the position. We need a DT this draft too. I’d like to see us score extra picks to get a DT, OLB and 2 O-linemen.
Wolf. Wolfgang Wolf
Yea I did but DT isnt bad either..
Ignorance is Bliss
by RG31 on Dec 27, 2011 4:56 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
You don't mean Tydreke Powell the senior, do you?
Not a sparkling endorsement of the Chapel Hill education.
Wolf. Wolfgang Wolf
we woupd have to trade or second and third
To get back in to the first rg lol
by Ram_Redemption on Dec 27, 2011 5:58 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Would be worth it!
Ignorance is Bliss
by RG31 on Dec 27, 2011 6:03 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
But you have us taking lewis in round 3 lol
Phantom picks!
by Ram_Redemption on Dec 27, 2011 6:09 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Trade the pick
Im getting tired of seeing everyone saying that we need o-line help when we dont. I understand that sam is getting killed but come on its like every draft i see the rams taking tackle after tackle and for what??? I just see the exact same results from each one and it was about the same when we was drafting all those d-linemen as well (expcet for Long and Quinn), how bout switching up the pick and do something different. From 2000 to last years draft, majority of the players we pick in the 1st round is either d-line or o-line including the 2001 draft where 2 of our 3 1st round picks were d-line. I say we try to get what we can in FA and trade the pick and get more young players to but around bradford, sjax, long, quinn, ds n jl. Because at the end of the day it doesnt matter how good the player was in college n the stats he put up, he just have to find the right coach with the right system to play in to become a good to great player in the leauge.
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