Why rooting against the Rams the next 2 weeks is not a bad thing?

by Mike Dietrich on Dec 23, 2011 1:55 PM CST

Why getting the #1 pick will be the best thing for the Rams?

I know there are many that cannot root against their team and enjoy wins no matter when they come or if they have playoff implications. I am not that person. The #1 pick will bring back the most picks of a draft day trade since the Herschel Walker.

The Rams will have a new Front office with hopefully no ties to their awful draft past. Just because the Rams have been maybe the worst drafting team in the last 12 years, this can be a new start and hopefully start the turnaround of one the saddest franchises in the last 22 years.

Now for a Ram fan it may be blasphemy to root against your team but take a look at who will be suiting up in a Ram uniform this Sunday. Most of these guys will not be Rams in 2012 due to age and lack of talent. Here are the only guys who I think are locks for opening day Sunday 2012 that are playing this week;

· Harvey Dahl

· Steven Jackson

· Justin King

· Chris Long

· Chris Long

That is 11 guys of the 45 that will play about 25% so in hoping for a Rams loss you are hoping for the mother load of picks that will change this franchise future and you as a fan will not be rooting against many future Rams.

Let’s go Colts and Vikings!

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I’ll take it

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by Marmie is the best on Dec 23, 2011 1:57 PM CST reply actions

Saffold should be a good RT

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by Joe Mazzi on Dec 23, 2011 2:09 PM CST reply actions

I have doubts about Saffold

And he is not playing on Sunday, I only went through the active roster.

He was at the bottom of Tackle ratings in the NFL, maybe he can find a home at RT and be serviceable

by Mike Dietrich on Dec 23, 2011 2:11 PM CST up reply actions

Looked at old tape.

Preseason tape and what happened. They looked great. What happened? Saffold was great. McD is what happened makes me want to cry.

by ThomasZ on Dec 23, 2011 2:15 PM CST reply actions

Saffold

Was covered up by the WCO and the quick 3 step passes, if you look at his college tape he was closer to this year than last year.

Preseason is all fluff, cannot take anything from that but Josh does ask OL to hold their block longer and Saffold proved he cannot and is very penalty prone, maybe a new OL coach can get him the play better since he cannot play worse

by Mike Dietrich on Dec 23, 2011 2:19 PM CST up reply actions

Justin King!

Are you !? He may on the active roster but he is gone after this year. I liked him to start, size and speed and good college program, but he has not developed. So good Bye!

by JL67 on Dec 23, 2011 2:16 PM CST reply actions

He is cheap

Thats the only reason I had him coming back :)

by Mike Dietrich on Dec 23, 2011 2:19 PM CST up reply actions

Unless they keep Luck with the pick

Sam will be a starter you know

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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 23, 2011 2:26 PM CST via mobile up reply actions

Sam is not active this week

I only listed active players from Sunday

Yes Sam is the starter no matter what due to his cap hit if they wanted to trade him

by Mike Dietrich on Dec 23, 2011 2:30 PM CST up reply actions

If Justin King

is on this roster and Josh Gordy isn’t…I might have to switch teams. Gordy has far outplayed Kind and is cheaper.

by Ramfan from Seattle on Dec 23, 2011 2:26 PM CST up reply actions

I'm with you. I think Gordy has potential to be better than we've seen

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by Douglas M on Dec 23, 2011 2:28 PM CST up reply actions

For me Gordy is a JAG

When you give up 72% completion %, there are corners all over that can improve that especially since the Rams have a healthy decent pass rush

by Mike Dietrich on Dec 23, 2011 2:32 PM CST up reply actions

The difference between the two is

When Gordy gives up a completion it goes for a few yards, When King gives up a completion…touchdown.

by Ramfan from Seattle on Dec 23, 2011 2:33 PM CST up reply actions

Would you trade Sam if the price was right?

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by Douglas M on Dec 23, 2011 2:27 PM CST reply actions

Great post by the way! rec'd

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by Douglas M on Dec 23, 2011 2:29 PM CST up reply actions

Yea,

other than King I liked the post too! As far as Bradford I still believe he would probably net us about half as much as Luck would due to him costing more$$ and having a down year.

by Ramfan from Seattle on Dec 23, 2011 2:31 PM CST up reply actions

Thanks!

by Mike Dietrich on Dec 23, 2011 2:33 PM CST up reply actions

Sam is untradeable

Due to him being the last huge bonus #1 pick, he basically cannot be traded in the next 2 years at the least so we need a OC that can get him to play better and at least top 15 QB in QB rating

by Mike Dietrich on Dec 23, 2011 2:33 PM CST up reply actions

He's gonna need to rework anyway

His contract is too lopsided to go forward, if he doesn’t rework it, the price just goes down. It doesn’t make him untradeable, it just makes the price go down and the need go up.

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by dbcouver on Dec 23, 2011 2:42 PM CST up reply actions

The Rams are not in a position

To have 20 million in dead money which would happen if Sam was traded

by Mike Dietrich on Dec 23, 2011 2:49 PM CST up reply actions

How much difference would there be in the 2 contracts?

Sams and whomever was the new QB? Are you planning on keeping Smith? The past mistakes are in need of repair. We’re a 2 win team, there’s nothing we can’t consider.

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by dbcouver on Dec 23, 2011 2:52 PM CST up reply actions

Luck will get half of what Sam got

With the slotting the #1 pick gets less than half of what Sam got, typical Rams getting stuck with the last awful contract for a #1 pick

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by Mike Dietrich on Dec 23, 2011 3:01 PM CST up reply actions

Paying Sam 20 million and

Luck half of what Sam got may still sound financially doable. Do you have any numbers breakdowns of the penalties that the Rams would be on the hook for, or where I might get these numbers. I’m bored and would like something to crunch besides my cereal.

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by dbcouver on Dec 23, 2011 3:10 PM CST up reply actions

I am not a capologist

Sorry, I saw some numbers a few weeks ago when Luck was floated as a replacement, basically the penalty is so brutal they have to make to work with Sam. Don’t hae the link, basically with the high draft picks it takes a few years to run off the bonus, Like now with Jason Smith the penalty is not as steep since it has been 3 years, the more years the less hit for draft picks under old rules

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by Mike Dietrich on Dec 23, 2011 3:12 PM CST up reply actions

By the way Mike,

It’s nice talking to you. I haven’t had the pleasure yet so much as right now. I am asking you these things because I really never knew much about the handcuffs we put on when signing Sam. So thanks for the time.

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by dbcouver on Dec 23, 2011 3:11 PM CST up reply actions

Now worries

Yea thats why they wanted out of the Smith pick 3 years ago, with Sam hopefully he gets a system he can play well in. I have lowered by expectations to top 15 QB rating just get him away from the bottom and around 85

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by Mike Dietrich on Dec 23, 2011 3:14 PM CST up reply actions

I completly understand this posistion and respect it

but as a fan, I can never resort to rooting for my team to lose games. That’s just not in me.

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by Brick Top on Dec 23, 2011 2:33 PM CST reply actions

The way I am

Is if there is no chance for playoffs then I don’t see wins as a huge thing especualy when you have a roster where 75% will not be here and are not young.

I am not openely rooting as we do not have to with this trainwreck of a team but when they lose, I get solace from a better pick

by Mike Dietrich on Dec 23, 2011 2:35 PM CST up reply actions

You can't tell me the Lions would of been good this year if they didn't win the last four games of the season

wins are always good for the team

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by Brick Top on Dec 23, 2011 2:38 PM CST up reply actions

Lions were in a different place than the Rams

They had a much younger roster and have about 30 of those guys back with the team, where the Rams roster has 75% stop gaps , when the coach and most of the roster are gone it does nto matter. Now if they had as roster where the average age was 26 and everyone including coach was coming back I could see your point

by Mike Dietrich on Dec 23, 2011 2:44 PM CST up reply actions

Trading Sam

Only if we replace him with Andrew Luck otherwise surround him with talent and see if he produces. I like Sam’s arm strength but he isn’t nearly as accurate as advertised. Get Matt Kalil in the draft if we can’t get Luck. If Sam plays as poorly next year, we’ll probably be in line for Barkley.

by Mister T on Dec 23, 2011 2:36 PM CST reply actions

Sam cannot be traded

It would be more than a 20 million dollar cap hit, cannot happen for at least 2 more seasons

by Mike Dietrich on Dec 23, 2011 2:45 PM CST up reply actions

Can you explain that?

20 million is more than he makes in a year. Unless you’re talking about overall. Then how many years? where can a guy get an explanatory breakdown of this problem?

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by dbcouver on Dec 23, 2011 2:54 PM CST up reply actions

The bonus get accelerated

As a penalty if you trade a guy too early after a huge contract

by Mike Dietrich on Dec 23, 2011 2:55 PM CST up reply actions

Remember I said he should be traded tp the Cowboys!

Win win in all corners!

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by RG31 on Dec 23, 2011 2:49 PM CST via mobile reply actions

Why would the Cowbiys want Sam?

Their QB has 28 TD’s and only 9 ints in 14 games, Romo is playing the best ball of his career and moved to #2 in all time QB rating, if they get a decent secondary they can make a playoff run

by Mike Dietrich on Dec 23, 2011 2:56 PM CST up reply actions

But if he doesnt get to the playoffs

There could be some doubt about whether or not he can lead them to a superbowl. Either the cowboys or the Dolphins would be the best case scenario IMO.

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by RG31 on Dec 23, 2011 2:59 PM CST via mobile up reply actions

The lack of Brandon Lloyd offends me...

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by Joe Mazzi on Dec 23, 2011 2:52 PM CST reply actions

He is a free agent

And with Josh McD probably leaving I do not see him coming back, I would not mind if he did but I would think he would get a better team than the Rams for next year but you never know no one wnated him for less than a 5th this year and some teams had a need at WR

by Mike Dietrich on Dec 23, 2011 2:54 PM CST up reply actions

Would we really not lock down.Lloyd?

That sucks we need him. I hope he returns next season. Get rid of gibson I havent seen him catch a ball in 2 weeks, maybe because I watch the games on my phone lol but ill stick wit the fact he cant ever get open.

by STlunatic89 on Dec 23, 2011 3:14 PM CST via mobile reply actions

It is Lloyd's choice

And he has a better one, he wont come back, but if he gets no other offers he may be stuck with the Rams

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by Mike Dietrich on Dec 23, 2011 3:16 PM CST up reply actions

Pay the Man!

Before

by STlunatic89 on Dec 23, 2011 3:17 PM CST via mobile reply actions

Someone else does

by STlunatic89 on Dec 23, 2011 3:18 PM CST via mobile up reply actions

With the front office about be changed

No decisions can be made until there is a new GM and a new HC, Lloyd may not be wnated or liked by them

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by Mike Dietrich on Dec 23, 2011 3:20 PM CST up reply actions

Ill say this

If Spags is still here next season there is no chance Sam gets traded. He said in an interview a little after draft Sam he waited for Sam to come out to draft a qb. If there is a different different people here I still see no way they trade him. Normally it takes a prospect 3 seasons to fully break out. If they let him go, he goes out and tears shit up while the prospect they get is a did, this franchise will be laughed at.
But just to entertain it Miami or Dallas are my choices.

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by RG31 on Dec 23, 2011 3:31 PM CST via mobile reply actions

How about Cleveland for both of their first rounders?

LT Matt Kalil/WR Justin Blackmon
QB RG3
WR Michael Floyd/LG Cory Glenn

Something along those lines…

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by Joe Mazzi on Dec 23, 2011 3:36 PM CST up reply actions

As long as they trade Sam to a team that he can succeed

I don’t care haha

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by RG31 on Dec 23, 2011 3:38 PM CST via mobile up reply actions

Well then Cleveland is out of the question...

Would that be your new team?

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by Joe Mazzi on Dec 23, 2011 3:38 PM CST up reply actions

I say Miami

But as for as my team goes, ill still be a Rams fan, I like it around here but ill watch whatever team Sam goes to.

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by RG31 on Dec 23, 2011 3:40 PM CST via mobile up reply actions

The cap hit is way too much

The only way they get a boatload of picks is if they get the #1 pick

If they stay at #3 they may get an extra #2 depending on how far they have to drop

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by Mike Dietrich on Dec 23, 2011 3:43 PM CST up reply actions

Agreed, like I said I dont think itll happen

But if it does, I’m hoping Miami or Dallas.

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by RG31 on Dec 23, 2011 3:45 PM CST via mobile up reply actions

Not only is this blasphemy

But you’re asking us to pull for the fucking Whiners?! That suggestion alone should get you banned from all Rams sites AND burned at the stake.

by Ski Dawg on Dec 23, 2011 3:36 PM CST reply actions

Agreed..

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by RG31 on Dec 23, 2011 3:36 PM CST via mobile up reply actions

To be honest

I dont not see the 49ers as a rival, when was the last big game played?

When one team beats the other over and over there is no rivalry in my eyes

I am worried about the Rams and the Rams only, getting the #1 pick is better long term for the franchise than a week 17 win over a playoff bound team that is light years ahead of the Rams at this point

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by Mike Dietrich on Dec 23, 2011 3:41 PM CST up reply actions

The fact that you want us to win doesnt sit right with me

As far as the 9ers go, I hate them with a Passion and the thought of us just losing to them isn’t imaginable. OS a win probable, no but will I hope for a lose, no.

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by RG31 on Dec 23, 2011 3:44 PM CST via mobile up reply actions

Im a big picture guy

And this year there are alot of teams that need a QB which will be very helpful to rebuild.

As for hating teams, I guess i am worn down with all the losing , when you lose this much I really dont care about other tea,s just want my own to get better and play meaningful games.

I am also a Mets, KNicks and UCLA fan and dont hate teams in other sports either anymore in my old age.

To each their own, I still rember a meaningless win years ago that moved the Rams back in the draft and they could not get Trufant one year and Patrick Willis in another….ugh

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by Mike Dietrich on Dec 23, 2011 3:54 PM CST up reply actions

Either way still cant do it..

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by RG31 on Dec 23, 2011 4:50 PM CST via mobile up reply actions

I'm an Astros fan

And I still hate the 86 Mets. If only we’da gotten to game 7, Mike Scott would have wiped y’all out! LOL!

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by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Dec 23, 2011 11:00 PM CST up reply actions

Rams vs. 49ers - 2010

This was the a rivalry game when Spags cost the Rams a playoff berth by punting with the Rams up 7 when they were in Field Goal range (about 50 yards). 80 degrees in November with no wind. The Rams melted down and lost in overtime.

Spags thought that the defense would be able to hold the lead when Kevin Dockery had been torched all day long.

by Mister T on Dec 23, 2011 4:19 PM CST up reply actions

Nice example

But I did not see it as a rivalry game but it was a big game during the season which went to crap.

Like I said a rivalry is one where the teams are both good and they are close in wins/losses against each other over the past 5 years or so

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by Mike Dietrich on Dec 23, 2011 4:25 PM CST up reply actions

Agreed

A rivalryis raven steelers or bears packers. Two teams with everything to lose getting in the way of eachother while trying to win a championship. Not two mediocre teams shaking hands and laughing after a "crushing defeat "

by Ram_Redemption on Dec 23, 2011 5:07 PM CST via mobile up reply actions

Rams/49ers since the beginning of 2005

49ers-10
Rams-3

Thats a bloodbath not a rivalry and its not like the 49ers have been that good

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by Mike Dietrich on Dec 23, 2011 5:32 PM CST up reply actions

Dude the fuckin n*ners aren't a rivalry game???????

I can’t believe there’s a Ram fan anywhere who thinks that. We suck lately but that doesn’t remove the rivalry label. I’ve hated the n*ners since 1974 and always will. I hate them, their fans, their city, their colors, their coaches, their cheerleaders, well maybe not their cheerleaders, but their equipment manger, their FO personnel, their bus driver, their manacurists, their beauticians and their gynocologists.

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by dbcouver on Dec 23, 2011 7:42 PM CST up reply actions

Things just change for me

I just do not hate teams anymore, maybe of they played big games and went back and forth but it has been a long time since that has happened

We just see things different

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by Mike Dietrich on Dec 23, 2011 8:07 PM CST up reply actions

That's ok

It’s a numbness that affects all of us. Kind of a defense mechanism, for me. Unfortunately my periodic lapses into schizophrenia bar me from enjoying that bliss for too long. That and the very unpositive experience I spent living in the Bay area for 2 years.

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by dbcouver on Dec 23, 2011 9:22 PM CST up reply actions

I'm only 21

There hasn’t been a single significant niners rams game that I can think of

by Ram_Redemption on Dec 23, 2011 8:41 PM CST via mobile up reply actions

And until we get better...

there won’t be.

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by dbcouver on Dec 23, 2011 9:23 PM CST up reply actions

Uh

Really?

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by Eric Nagel on Dec 23, 2011 4:50 PM CST up reply actions

Honestly

You haven’t been a Rams fan long. The Niners are now – and always have been – our blood rival. To lose to a blood rival is always unacceptable.

by Ski Dawg on Dec 23, 2011 7:38 PM CST up reply actions

Further

to want your team to lose to a blood rival is unacceptable.

by Ski Dawg on Dec 23, 2011 7:39 PM CST up reply actions

So you would rather a win

That does not affect anything for the Rams and give them the #3 pick than get the #1 pick??

I want this team in the best position to suceed in 2012 and further and a higher pick would do that

No worries if we were all the same it would be a boring world

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by Mike Dietrich on Dec 23, 2011 8:10 PM CST up reply actions

If it's a win versus losing to a blood rival

I’ll always take the win.

by Ski Dawg on Dec 23, 2011 11:35 PM CST up reply actions

Been a Rams Fan in NJ my whole life, I am 42

As I have gotten older, I just dont have that dislike anymore, hell I’m a Met fan and do not even hate the Yankees anymore

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by Mike Dietrich on Dec 23, 2011 8:08 PM CST up reply actions

Rams fan my whole life as well, age 33

That said, I live in KC and have to deal with Chefs fans all the time. But that’s a story for another time.

by Ski Dawg on Dec 23, 2011 11:39 PM CST up reply actions

If the Rams decide to defy logic and win another game

I’d rather it be tomorrow at Pittsburgh. That’s probably just me though.

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by Joe Mazzi on Dec 23, 2011 3:46 PM CST reply actions

Me too

But I want that top pick and idc wat anyone thinks

by Ram_Redemption on Dec 23, 2011 4:39 PM CST via mobile up reply actions

Ok how in the HELL is Justin King on this list

I don’t care if he is cheap, I would rather nobody play instead of King. Gordy should be in his spot.

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by Jombari on Dec 23, 2011 5:32 PM CST reply actions

Fuck the 9ers

For the Rams to get the #1 pick we have to lose out (Fuck that) and the Colts have to win next week,the vikings must win one of their last two games. That’s like ass backwards rooting to get the last wild card spot?? don’t care where the Rams pick just start picking better. Not only will I root for the Rams to beat Pitt (I will never forget 1979) but I hope we kick the 9ers fucking ass!!!

by Ramfan4life on Dec 24, 2011 2:46 AM CST reply actions

Last year

We played a game against the 9ers that mattered the day after christmas. That win kept us in the playoff race an in first place in the west. How does that not matter? An i agree never in my life can i hope the Rams lose to the Whiners. I dont care what spot we get in the draft as long as we get someone who isnt a fuckn bust!

by STlunatic89 on Dec 24, 2011 10:11 AM CST reply actions

The only reason it was relevant

Was that the division sucked so bad that a team with a losing record won it which never happens, it was not because it was a “rivalry”

This is also not about drafting one player that does not sucks it is about having the ability to trade the #1 pick for 3-4 players that can help fit the many holes all over this team. These opportunities do not come along often and maybe Rams get lucky and get front office guys who can make picks like Jimmy Johnson did with the Walker picks.

It’s looking at the big picture over a forgettable footbal game

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by Mike Dietrich on Dec 24, 2011 10:54 AM CST up reply actions