Rob Chudzinski: St. Louis Rams next HC?
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(A seriously strong article about one of few head coaching candidates out there! This is a great read.. front paged by DouglasM-)
Last season the St. Louis Rams appeared too had turned a page. They were on an upward slope to relevance, primed for a run to the post-season on the coattails of a rising head coach, a bright, young quarterback and a relentless defense – nothing could prevent them from winning the worst division in football. Then, before you even realized, everything changed.
Take your pick of excuses why the Rams have struggled – injuries, schedule, lockout, a suddenly stronger NFC West – but they all lead to the same conclusion: they’re completely out of anyone’s control. That’s not what fans, media and ownership want to hear. We demand accountability. The facts are the Rams have won ten games in three years, 23 games in six years and have not won the division since 2003. Patience is a virtue long lost on weary fans.
It seems almost a foregone conclusion that drastic change is imminent; that heads will roll throughout all of Rams Park as we once again, potentially, stare complete overhaul in the face. I can’t even pretend to know what is going on inside the head of Stan Kroenke; I can’t even guarantee that he exists - but I can promise someone will be handing out a pallet of pink slips within the next couple of months.
Many have mixed feelings when it comes to soft-spoken, monotonous head coach Steve Spagnuolo. Some like him, more hate him and others couldn’t care less if only the Rams were winning. It’s a matter I haven’t yet committed to; however, I’m not so slow to disclose my contempt of his hiring Josh McDaniels, a decision I believe has ultimately doomed Spags.
No one can say for certain that Coach Spagnuolo’s tenure in St. Louis is over, but it can’t hurt to at least start looking elsewhere. Eventually the Rams will have to get it right. The snakebites will heal, the storm clouds will clear, the curse will be broken and Justin King will be banished to Narnia. That’s what good coaches can do. You just have to know where to find them. To me there are three classes of NFL head coaching candidates.
First are the obvious, the upper echelon of coaching talents and, because they have done it before, fans immediately assume that they will succeed again. Bill Cowher, Jon Gruden and Jeff Fisher are a few names that come to mind. Pipe dreams are wonderful, but if there is anything that I have learned by following the NFL, it is that you can’t live in the past and that history, while a great teacher, cannot be trusted in conventional wisdom. The game evolves too quickly. Any extended time spent away from the sidelines, while arguably good for the man, does no favors for their coaching habits. Why would they choose the Rams anyway?
The two others, I know, have become all Rams fans’ favorites: newly converted coordinators. The reason I say "two" has nothing to do with offense and defense; it’s more the perceived value and rank by teams and the media alike.
There are the guys you’ve always known about, purely because they receive constant media attention. More than likely, if they are only recently raved about as potential head coaches, they are presently near the helm of a helluva good team and/or playoff run. I’m sure we all remember the buzz that surrounded defensive coordinators Rex Ryan, Jim Schwartz and especially Steve Spagnuolo in 2009. These guys sparked the headlines, good or bad, because winning creates relevance.
This leaves us with the candidates of whom you have never heard. More often than not they have something really good going for them that sweetens the pot, making them attractive options to head coach deprived teams. These are the coaches who have spent years behind the scenes, quietly building impressive resumes, working one-on-one with the players we all know and love. I invite you to now recall former Rams offensive coordinator, Browns head coach Pat Shurmur and his "pot-sweetener" Offensive Rookie of the Year Sam Bradford. I’m fairly certain that no one reading at Turf Show Times would consider Shurmur a viable option for head coach, but, fan of the dink-and-dunk or not, he did run a more affective offense than we’re used to seeing nowadays.
Still unconvinced? This group also included Super Bowl winners Mike Tomlin and Mike McCarthy, two coaches few had ever known of before hitting the spotlight with elite NFL franchises, the Pittsburgh Steelers and Green Bay Packers. Tomlin, 34 at the time, had spent only one year coordinating before taking on the Steelers job, making the Minnesota Vikings the league’s best rush defense. McCarthy, once offensive coordinator of the New Orleans Saints, was selected in 2000 as the NFC Assistant Coach of the Year by USA Today.
For the most part, Carolina Panthers offensive coordinator Rob Chudzinski likely falls into the ladder of the three categories and, as rumor has it, could soon be eyeing a head coaching gig. In the wake of Jack Del Rio’s inevitable departure from Jacksonville, ESPN’s John Clayton was one of the first to speculate the Jaguars as a potential suitor. If there is anywhere less appealing than St. Louis, it has to be Jacksonville.
Chudzinski, or "Chud" as many prefer, does certainly have something working in his favor. He is the mastermind behind the greatest, most undisputed OROY season since Eric Dickerson: QB Cam Newton. I am among the millions of haters now "eating crow" because I was absolutely certain that Newton was a surefire bust. I was wrong – he looks like a stud – but his offensive play caller cannot go unaccredited.
Carolina currently ranks 5th in the NFL with 399 yards per game and 11th in points with 24.1 per game. These are the type of numbers of which Rams fans can now only now dream, reminiscent of much grander days, when touchdowns were not an anomaly. The Panthers are still considered among the lower tier of teams, but, unlike the Rams, offense cannot be deemed reason why.
Before Chudzinski ever reached the NFL, he spent seven seasons coaching at his alma mater, the University of Miami. There he worked as a tight ends coach and then offensive coordinator. During his tenure he personally coached three all-Americans: Bubba Franks, Jeremy Shockey and Kellen Winslow Jr.
Prior to accompanying Ron Rivera to the other side of the country, they worked along side each other in San Diego. There Chudzinski spent two separate two-year stints working as a tight ends coach, first from 2005-2006 and again from 2009-2010. If there is anyone that I would want coaching Lance Kendricks at this point, it is the man who coached Antonio Gates to the Pro Bowl four times.
He has also suffered two previous stints with the Cleveland Browns. In 2004, Kellen Winslow’s missed rookie season, he was their tight ends coach. He also spent 2007 and 2008 as the Browns offensive coordinator under then head coach Romeo Crennel. In 2008, the Browns defied logic and sent four offensive players to the Pro Bowl: LT, Joe Thomas; QB, Derek Anderson; WR, Braylon Edwards and TE, Kellen Winslow III. For effect, I’ll say again, he got Derek Anderson to the Pro Bowl.
Chudzinski, still only 43-years-old, has plenty of years coaching left in him. Whether or not he’s yet prepared to take on the responsibility of a complete football team remains pure speculation and, as always, is open for debate. As we are all well aware, coordinators are often simply not suited for the job. He may even elect to stay with Rivera and Newton in Carolina for another year or two, but I have a feeling we will one day see him chewing out Ed Hochuli, challenge flag in hand, on the path to either saving or ruining an entire NFL franchise.
I’d love to take a more in depth look into his offensive system and philosophy, imagining it with some of our current players, but I just can’t put my finger on it. Needless to say, it would not be run to the same affect with Sam Bradford behind center; however, with Greg Olsen and Jeremy Shockey (who will be a free agent at year’s end) already combined for over 900 yards, I can only assume that he knows how to use two TE’s, perhaps better than others. I don’t think Steven Jackson would suffer from the power running he emphasizes either.
Keep your eye on this guy, because he is a growing coaching talent in this league. He knows how to score and does it without an elite supporting cast.
You can only assume that a playmaking star such as Oklahoma State wide receiver, Justin Blackmon would be atop his draft board. Consider the combination of DeAngelo Williams and Jonathan Stewart that he currently uses, as well. He would likely value a talented backup running back to spell Jackson a lot more than those we are now used to seeing in the "war room."
And how sweet would it be for Stan Kroenke to steal something else away from Shahid Khan?
Just a thought. Thanks for reading.
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GOOD POST
WE SUCK. THAT IS ALL.
by RAMSALLTHEWAY on Dec 15, 2011 7:30 PM CST via mobile reply actions
You sir, just sold me on a coach I had never heard of before today.
Outstanding talent in the ways of persuasion. Rec’d
Two things about me will never change. I will always root for the Rams, and I will always root against the Niners.
+1
Would love to see a listing of #’s on the players he has coached.
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by BurnoutJoeB. on Dec 16, 2011 1:05 PM CST up reply actions
Great job!
Do more posts. This guy is my front runner at the moment and will probably stay that way.
HC with experience please
We’ve been down this road before.
Good experience as a coordinator, makes not a good HC. Someone please rec the crap out of this post.
Spags, Shurmur, McD. Anyone out there, anyone have some sense? Really?
I’d much rather take Fisher, Del Rio, and maybe even chance on Dallas last head coach (the one who coached the bills for umpteen years).
by 81 Witness on Dec 15, 2011 10:58 PM CST reply actions 3 recs
Wade Phillips?
2 men enter 1 man leaves. THOSE ARE THE RULES OF THUNDER DOME!
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Never
Wade Phillips is the most incompetent moron to ever be given a head coaching job. Or, in my opinion, any job in football period.
Exhibits A, B, and C: Benching Doug Flutie in Buffalo – after Flutie got the team to the playoffs in ’99 – and having to watch as Tennessee beat them with the Music City Miracle.
Exhibits D, E, and F: He’s a 3-4 guy, and I’m strongly of the opinion that the 3-4 is crap. This is also the reason why I prefer Jeff Fisher over Cowher.
Moral: Just say no to Phillips.
Reason I threw out what you said:
Pack and Steelers run 3-4. Who was in the Super Bowl last year?
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 16, 2011 9:00 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Just so we're all on the same page here,
Fisher was a coordinator before he was a head coach, as was Del Rio. Other coordinators-turned-coaches:
Mike Tomlin
Bill Belicheck
Mike McCarthy
John Fox
Sean Payton
Gary Kubiak
Mike Smith
Jim Schwartz
Rex Ryan
Those coaches and their respective teams are either playoff bound or in the mix for a playoff berth. Tomlin, McCarthy, Belicheck and Payton are all Super Bowl winning coaches. The reality is most head coaches attain that position by way of being a coordinator first. So your statement below:
Good experience as a coordinator, makes not a good HC.
is blatantly incorrect. Are all good head coaches former coordinators? No, there are exceptions (Coughlin, the Harbaugh brothers) and we’ve certainly seen firsthand that not all coordinators are good head coaches.
But to make a blanket statement saying all coordinators don’t work out as head coaches is pretty silly. The silliness reached it’s peak when you offered up the notion of Wade Phillips being a good head coach. Unless you were making that entire statement as a joke, in which case bravo, sir. Hilarious.
"Fac Fortia et Patere"
by FailureDrill on Dec 17, 2011 3:07 PM CST up reply actions
Oh, I almost forgot.
The two names everyone wants to dream about at night as the next head coach of this team were both coordinators before taking their head coaching spots:
Bill Cowher (Defensive coordinator, KC)
Jon Gruden (Offensive coordinator, Philadelphia).
"Fac Fortia et Patere"
by FailureDrill on Dec 17, 2011 3:11 PM CST up reply actions
People aren't just given head coaching jobs out of the blue very often.
You have to start somewhere. I would say the number of HCs that did not at some point serve as coordinators is much smaller than OCs/DCs that became HCs.
Two things about me will never change. I will always root for the Rams, and I will always root against the Niners.
Right off the bat I was like "Meh"
After reading I hope we get em.
"Victory at all costs, victory in spite of all terror, victory however long and hard the road may be; for without victory there is no PLAYOFFS."
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nice article
i’d like to see him have sustained success as a co-ordinator.
how he counteracts defenses counteracting Cam after a full season of tape, et cetera, but you’re most certainly right that he has an impressive resume and will no doubt get his shot as a HC some time soon.
I maintain that we should stick with Spags another year, purely because no one is better qualified or fits with the nucleus we already have.
Should Spags fail next season though, should we retain him, looking at Chudzinski would most certainly have to be considered.
Again nice piece, well written, researched and thought out. Rec and kudos brother!
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A bag of weed fits better as a candidate than Spags
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 16, 2011 8:52 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Ugh, please no...
I am so sick of the Rams hiring the media/fan darling coordinator of the moment, who has no idea what a HC coach does, so he basically concentrates doing his old job while running the team into the ground, stocking the roster full of castoffs from his old team and packing the coaching staff with cronies.
See Martz, Mike; Linehan, Scott, and Spagnolo, Steve.
How about this – hire a head coach that will just be the head coach?
Rob isn't the media creation
He is being ignored cause Cam gets all the credit. Rex was partially over shadowed by Ray Lewis in the same way. Had you heard of Tomlin? Cause he’s been to two (and won a) SuperBowl
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 16, 2011 8:54 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
This just sold me because he is perfect
He made Cam into something utterly amazing despite his only talented reciever is Steve Smith. This isn’t some coordinator like Spags who, while his system works, it needs to be stacked with endless talent to be truly great. On top of it all, I don’t see Gruden coming back, Fisher did burn out in Tennessee, and Cowher has been gone to long (he has missed the change to the “all passing no defense” league. Rob! Rob! Rob!
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 16, 2011 8:52 AM CST via mobile reply actions
The Rams have a private jet I hope
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 16, 2011 8:57 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
People forget: all great coaches were coordinators at some point
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 16, 2011 8:58 AM CST via mobile reply actions
I think we have our new GM
RamDrug!
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 16, 2011 9:02 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I'll take Nick Wagoner's position instead..
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Cool. I look forward to reading it.
And i got your email! Incredible!
Formerly JBaccSTL. Been losing sleep over Rams football since 1999.
as a buckeye fan who still loves Tressel
FUCK. NO.
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Great article!
It’s not so much about the experience in head coaching. I want a guy who coaches to win. We all know conservative Spags coaches to not lose. I never used to believe in this….but we need a coach with the “it” factor. Guys like Tomlin, McCarthy, or even Mike Smith. These guys were coordinators, not head coaches. We need a guy who lights a fire under the players and holds players accountable for abismal play. Just bc Fisher was decent in Tennesee doesnt mean he’s the answer. Interested to see where Kroenke goes with this….
by Rcoon1307 on Dec 16, 2011 10:08 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Very good read.
And well presented.
The problem is, it’s all a crap shoot. Yes, we can minimize our chances of bringing in another Prothro, Brooks, Linehan or Spagnuolo by doing some extensive research. But presentation isn’t everything. Look at Spags. From what I understand he “presented” himself so well that Chip and anyone else who had any say in the matter could not resist his charismatic charm. And let’s be honest, we as fans were sold on him too.
Look, by all means, I am not trying to criticize your talented writing skills. You honestly have done an excellent job here making a case for Chudzinski. But at this juncture in Rams lore there is a good chance (with your talent) you may be able to persuade me to think YOU’RE a better option at HC than what we have right now.
All I know is SOMETHING needs to be done.
this is the crux of it
at the end of the day, every co ordinator who applies for a HC job or is offered one has credentials to be successful. What it is dependent on is either time to completely turn a roster over, a great relationship with the GM (and the GM has to be good), and a smattering of luck.
At the end of the day, at this time, Spags is the best guy for the job and has had so many issues beyond his control he at least deserves a shot at finishing what he started.
Firing him would be to appease a fanbase that quite frankly doesn’t deserve the power others such as Dallas have. Kroenke should stand up to the fans until they start coming to games and supporting the team, because firing Spags is a sacrificial lamb.
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Nice try
I totally agree with your assessment on how every coordinator has the potential to be a
successful HC.
As far as Spags is concerned…NO.
It’s more than just the things that are beyond his control. Its about his lack of game management and all that relates to that issue. ( Time management, Halftime adjustments, Play calling, etc..).
And we could also throw in lack of player development. Although you may want to argue the GM factor on that one. Regardless, … lets just say Devaney is a bad GM. ( I’m sure that’s something we can agree on). I believe that the two get along just fine. I also believe that Spags has far greater input in the War Room and on the FA market than you’d like to give him credit for. And even if he didn’t, it’s still his job to make sure the players (whether they be starters, back ups or rookies), minimize mistakes, ( penalties, mis-tackles, etc.)
I’m sorry, you just can’t sell me on the fact that poor Stevie deserves another year.
I forgot about this cat.
Last time I was sold on an OC it was Josh Mcdaniel’s, who had a similar resume. Great article though. I thought he was Tim Tebow
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we need a coach who takes losing personal
spags always gives the old ‘well our guys are playing hard, not sure what more we need to do to get a win’.
i remember earlier he said he was not mad at them for playing poorly but mad for them. give me someone who makes the players accountable and demands maximum effort. this is the nfl where any team can beat any other and the talent is so close you have to have maximum effort from all on the field for 4 quarters. excessive mistakes like red zone penalties should get a guy riding the bench. that shows you do not have your head in the game.
Heres a good read on the cat.
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Thanks for all the great feedback guys!
Whether I’ve persuaded you or not, I’m glad you at least enjoyed the article. More to come!
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by Joe Mazzi on Dec 16, 2011 10:57 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Not to be a naysayer
But McCarthy and Tomlin inherited teams with the requisite pieces for success. One of the big differences, as I see it, is that both teams have strong FO leadership that have built strong rosters. Both examples have been successful, but an argument could potentially be made that their paths to success were already paved with gold.
this is entirely true bro
and why Spags deserves another shot.
McCarthy, Tomlin and BOTH Harbaugh’s inherited strong rosters, with only 9erBaugh having any management concerns prior to appointment…
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Maybe 4 types of coaches?
Those coming out of NCAA and into the NFL
Beating off the dog is never appropriate when we have company over...... I mean EVER!
What NCAA coaches do you see mking the jump this year?
by diehardram87 on Dec 16, 2011 1:02 PM CST up reply actions
I'm just saying in general there's that group of coaches too
Like Harbaugh last year, Carroll before that, etc.
Beating off the dog is never appropriate when we have company over...... I mean EVER!
I fought with myself on that one.
Considered those like Harbaugh, Saban and JJ. I just figued I’d lump them in with the first group in terms of hype and expectations.
Now, if there’s ever a college coordinator to go straight to pro HC, that’s a whole different matter.
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gotcha
that’d be crazy if a coordinator jumped to pro HC position
Beating off the dog is never appropriate when we have company over...... I mean EVER!
anything is better than the nothing we now have
rec’d
The only thing comparable to a Rams win is a 49er loss!
Agree to an xtent
After reading this post I was totally sold, then after reading the comments it made sense why take a risk on another fancy coordinator.
Guess the main question is who is available? Any college coaches out there to grab? Personally my main concern is it the coach or the system in a whole, which I believe it’s our system in a whole. A new coach one with some nutz and knowledge, new coordinators (sorry Sam but that’s the breaks) and more importantly trainers/position coaches. In all seriousness having key injuries isn’t new to the Rams organization.
Everybody ridicule Shurmur last year for being too conservative myself to blame yet now were wondering how come we are not going that route this year. And the excuse not enough time in the off season is BS if you don’t have it together by now then it was never meant to be. I can understand the first few weeks especially with the injuries but good lord adjust that’s why it’s a 53 man roster the one they have chosen. Look at the Patriots they have to play offensive players on there defense, granit they have Brady but so what we have Jackson. I can go on and on just like anybody else but either way my point is there is NO EXCUSE for the season we are having.
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Interesting
Former Head Coaches do not always work, see Washington with Shanahan and Joe Gibbs.
Chud seems to have good credentials but so did McDaniels, Spagnoulo and Linehan.
Hire Brian Billick or Fisher and Norv for OC. Maybe Singletary for DC.
Singletary?
You mean the guy who’s old team became the best defense the second they got a new coach?
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 16, 2011 4:22 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
lol i nearly spat my smoke out my mouth when i saw singletary
dude was clueless. he was great as a rah rah motivational guy but literally was clueless with regards to xs and os… which is why he was appointed HC… players loved playing for him, until they realised the gameplans were piles of horseshit.
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Who has either been fired or left cause the game left them in the dust
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 16, 2011 4:20 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
If I were a coach
I’d just have a “Ask Madden” gameplan, it seems to help me win. Sometimes you have to select a different play, but for the most part.
But still, it’s on “pro” setting, can’t be that much harder.
Beating off the dog is never appropriate when we have company over...... I mean EVER!
Also make sure that you have a HB-screen set as an audible
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What is the track record for these great coaches who leave for a few years and return. I don't re
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 16, 2011 4:18 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Don't remember it being good.
Who here would like to have Tomlin or Ryan of any other coach in the league? Well guess what, they ALL were coordinators. You have to take a risk, not play it safe.
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 16, 2011 4:20 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Maybe I'll do an article on that. Seems like a fun topic..
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That'd be good
And I don’t mean Belichik going to the Pats, I mean Shanahan to the Redskins. Coaches who had been great somewhere else and left for a few years and seem to comeback with no idea what they are doing
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 16, 2011 8:17 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I hope everyone commenting here will join Ryan and 3k on their radio show tomorrow!
If you need a TSR primer, there is a fanpost up now that can walk you through the two easy steps needed so you can join the wild mob tomorrow!
Oh @%#&!
Why can’t the Rams just hire someone who has actually BEEN a head coach before? NFL, College, I don’t care…the next Rams’ coach MUST have HEAD COACHING experience!!! Kirk Ferentz is my first choice over ANY coordinator. As is Joe Paterno, for that matter.
The Rams need to stop being the NFL’s official head coaching stepping stone for entry-level wannabe’s.
Chud may be a good replacement for Spags
We need a new FO more than a new HC, and before we get a new HC
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by dbcouver on Dec 17, 2011 12:44 AM CST via mobile reply actions
i think this is important.
if we’re scrapping spags, billy d and our entire front office through to coaches need to go. we need to start 150% over.
It’s apparent that there was too much holdover from linehan and martz etc. and i think that can be attributed to billy over spags. spags will be the scapegoat, billy is the reason we’ve not been as good.
listen to anyone like billick talking about the state of the league and you’ll realise all the things we attribute to HC besides gameplan are in fact attributed to the GM
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