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enough of the andrew luck sweepstakes!


for the past week ive been reading nothing jibberish, on how this whole trainwreck is sam's fault, he's doing this, hes overthrowing to him, blah, blah! this is going to be short and to the point...tell me rams fans, who are clamoring for andrew luck...how in the freakin hell do you think he can come in here, and magically turn this nightmare around? with the same supporting cat that bradford has now mind you?...........im still waiting?

 

andrew is not better than bradford, ill tell you that right now, luck hasnt even declared for the draft, and yet some of you are already annointing him the next brady, or whatever the hell! there both even in my eyes, hell ill even go one over you guys even better...i think cam newtons better than andrew luck! from what ive seen from cam so far? all i have to say is wow! andrew isnt even 1/2 the stud cam is. and ill say this too bradfords a way better passer than both combined. his accuracy is undeniable, you just cant see it, because all his passes bounce off the wafflemaker hands the rams wr's have.

 

luck is going have to go through the same growing pains as every other qb that comes into the league, hell, look at jake locker? he was "supposed" to be better than luck, and was "supposed" to go #1 according to the pundits, where did he end up? andrew luck is a man amongst boys in college, but like everyone who gets drafted, hes going to get baptized from the real men in the n.f.l. give sam time, its not his fault. look no further than the front office. so there, enough of andrew luck!

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yeah, I haven't even listened to them

bradford is a stud

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by sergey606 on Oct 3, 2011 2:58 PM CDT reply actions  

I think anyone who suggest the Rams select Luck at ignorant and don't kow what they're talking about

This team needs Wr, Rb, Cb, Olb, and Line help and they suggest we take a QB in the first when we already have a stud at that position? As of now we look like we’ll have a top 5-10 pick, who we need is Alshon or Blackmon (I’d prefer Alshon). The antics need to stop and people need to think..

Sam Bradford + Alshon Jeffery = All other teams are screwed!!

by RG31 on Oct 3, 2011 3:01 PM CDT reply actions  

well if we end up with the first pick we need to get luck

first i am a bradford believer. with luck we have trade options that would bring in more players we need or picks. i would love for the rams to turn it around but until sj39 clayton and amendola are healthy and on the field together i think we are the front runners for luck. i do believe we have a better team right now than last years. we have a td in every game this year. that makes me excited for what happens when those 3 are able to be on the field together.

by RAISEtheDEAD on Oct 4, 2011 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Don't believe we'll have the top pick

so we won’t be placed in that predicament, it’ll be the Colts or the Chiefs.

Sam Bradford + Alshon Jeffery = All other teams are screwed!!

by RG31 on Oct 4, 2011 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

or the vikings!

i think the Vikings would be great with Luck on their team…. I actually want to see it.

Two things about me will never change. I will always root for the Rams, and I will always root against the Niners.

by DuhhhRams! on Oct 4, 2011 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Na they just got Ponder in the first

wouldn’t make sense to already ditch on a first round pick.

Sam Bradford + Alshon Jeffery = All other teams are screwed!!

by RG31 on Oct 4, 2011 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

exactly..

many people will agree with u that they wont take luck…buuut for some reason those same people will prolly want luck after bradford broke rookie records?

by RamTX on Oct 4, 2011 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yea make no sense to me

Sam Bradford + Alshon Jeffery = All other teams are screwed!!

by RG31 on Oct 4, 2011 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Me either.

he’s a 2nd year QB with everything going against him. The nay sayers on hear need to give him a little damn time before clammering to the Luck bandwagon.

Two things about me will never change. I will always root for the Rams, and I will always root against the Niners.

by DuhhhRams! on Oct 4, 2011 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's what I'm saying

And I’m still not convinced he’s better than Bradford. People clammer about how he’s from a pro style offense but so was Brady Quinn and Jimmy Clausen and where are those to now? Clausen was supposedly more mobile than Bradford but where is he now again? Oh yea on the damn bench…

Sam Bradford + Alshon Jeffery = All other teams are screwed!!

by RG31 on Oct 4, 2011 6:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Your logic is no good to the millions of people that will riot in Minny when the Vikes pass on Luck.

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by Tempestuous Binary on Oct 7, 2011 7:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

rec'd

i rec’d this just because your right. Luck is a bust in the making and will go to Minnesota or Indianapolis

by Rams1990 on Oct 3, 2011 3:09 PM CDT reply actions  

mybad

i was thinking about the KC and Minnesota game and typed the wrong team. i think he will go to KC or Indianapolis. possibly Minnesota but only if they trade away Ponder this year to a team trying to groom a QB for the long run. Thats Minnesota’s problem though, they keep thinking they are still good enough to just bring in a veteran and win now. Favre was a Stud, but that’s why he is a HOFer.

by Rams1990 on Oct 3, 2011 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

But

Bradford is the surest thing ever

Remember the great 2004 and 2005 Rams teams...

by Marmie is the best on Oct 3, 2011 8:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Luck is a bust

What makes you say that?

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by Tempestuous Binary on Oct 7, 2011 7:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

Sam Bradford is a better QB prospect than Andrew Luck

although only marginally.
Cam is surprising everyone. As a prospect he was a tough one because physically he has potential to be the greatest ever, but transition wise, he is coming from a numbers offense or whatever the fuck that was, to an NFL offense. Cam is surprising everyone with how well he’s playing.
His stats are inflated though due to the ridiculous pass attempts and abandonment of the run game.

Anyway.

Bradford > Luck > Newton > Locker > Jones > Manuel

We’ve got the best QB prospect since Peyton Manning, and all talk of getting Luck or anyone is the most stupid shit I’ve ever read on this blog, and I’ve read all of SpamChop’s posts…

Give Sam some legitimate weapons and watch him become elite.

We don’t need to disrespect Luck because he is a tremendous prospect, but Sam is better, and we’ve got Sam, so all mentions of Luck as a Ram are all cardinal sins on TST.

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by Infemous on Oct 3, 2011 4:48 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Best since Manning? Really?

Don’t Newton’s huge games or McCoy’s success make you at least question that statement a little bit?

How about Aaron Rodgers? Phillip Rivers? Ben Roethlisberger? Drew Brees?

Remember the great 2004 and 2005 Rams teams...

by Marmie is the best on Oct 3, 2011 8:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think

any of those prospects were even close to Sam coming out of college, that’s why none of them were 1st overall, or even top 10 if I’m not mistaken.

"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.

"Warner never took over games."

Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.

by douchiedude on Oct 3, 2011 11:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

You can't have it both ways

You can’t say that those guys weren’t drafted top 10 so they aren’t the prospect that Bradford is while at the same time say that guys that were drafted top 10 aren’t the prospect Bradford is because they haven’t become top 5 QBs.

Are you just saying that Bradford looked better than any other QB coming out of college? Seems like a subjective and trivial discussion.

Remember the great 2004 and 2005 Rams teams...

by Marmie is the best on Oct 4, 2011 9:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

They may end up better players

throughout their careers, but as a prospect coming out of college, that’s a completely different story. Not a single one of them were considered top prospects coming out. Sam obviously was. They are no longer prospects, they are all veterans. They were good prospects coming out of college who turned out to be damn good players. Sam was a great prospect. hence the #1 overall pick.

"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.

"Warner never took over games."

Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.

by douchiedude on Oct 4, 2011 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Who Cares

Honestly, who really cares if he was considered a top prospect coming out of college.NFL production is what really matters. JaMarcus Russell, Matt Stafford, Alex Smith, Eli Manning, Carson Palmer, Mike Vick, David Carr and Tim Couch have all been drafted #1 since Peyton. They were all considered top prospects too. So, all those guys have just as much “prospect” status as Bradford.

Remember the great 2004 and 2005 Rams teams...

by Marmie is the best on Oct 4, 2011 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't care at all as long as the player is good,

I’m just saying that as a PROSPECT coming out of college, none of those guys you named even compared. Well, Newton would because many believe he is physically capable of doing what no other QB can do. You’re arguing away from your original comment. I agree that the only thing that matters is their production in the NFL. There will obviously be busts, but some of those guys were still the top QB prospects in their respective draft classes. Though, some were obviously weaker than others.

"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.

"Warner never took over games."

Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.

by douchiedude on Oct 4, 2011 11:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

How can you say that?

When all those other guys were drafted #1?

Remember the great 2004 and 2005 Rams teams...

by Marmie is the best on Oct 4, 2011 11:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

"none of those guys you named"

was in reference to your earlier comment. Still, some drafts are just weaker than others, especially at QB. Carr was seen as the best QB in his draft and Alex Smith in his, but I don’t think anyone would say Smith and Carr were superior to Palmer or Bradford.

"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.

"Warner never took over games."

Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.

by douchiedude on Oct 5, 2011 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

He did say "prospect", not "player."

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The 2011-2012 Colorado Avalanche: there will be blood and there will be wins.

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by Tempestuous Binary on Oct 7, 2011 7:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

i wouldn't agree with that

i think bradford is better but luck is the superior specimen down to his pedigree the guy has every measurable you want and the intangibles are there

by zaviex on Oct 7, 2011 12:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

Talking about Bradford?

Oh my bad, because they said the same exact thing about Bradford… Except the pedigree part, but it’s not like we’re buying a show-dog, so I don’t see how that matters.

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by DuhhhRams! on Oct 7, 2011 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

lol what?

watch the tape.

Sam has a much stronger arm. Zips it everywhere, seldom throws a duck. Can you say that about Luck?

Footwork? What footwork because he’s in a Pro Style offense. They said that about Clausen and his footwork was awful.

Luck’s footwork is good but it’s not much better if at all than Sams out of college.

People assume footwork is there just because of the Pro Style, and that’s such a cheap thing to attribute over Bradford.
The arm strength is just wrong.

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by Infemous on Oct 10, 2011 7:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

everybody said the same things about tim tebow, and he has something andrew doesnt...

a national championship, and how many player of the yr awards? and look how polarizing a figure tebow is on the field. andrew luck isnt the savior everybodys painting him to be. the only way we all find out, is on the football field in the n.f.l. and, hes not the only good qb coming out od college so pls people…enough!

by Mark Jaramillo on Oct 10, 2011 8:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ridiculous

Luck and Tebow? Everyone knew Tebow would struggle passing in the NFL. Luck has his status as the consensus #1 pick because he can throw the football.

Remember the great 2004 and 2005 Rams teams...

by Marmie is the best on Oct 10, 2011 10:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

lol Tebow isn't even a QB.

Dude is a grade A bum and purely fan pressure has given him the starter job. Tebow sucks and will lead Denver to the gutter until he’s cut, which is most unfortunate coz I like the Broncos.

Andrew Luck despite me knocking his arm is still one of the best passers out of college I’ve ever seen.

All I’m saying is with regards to best QB prospect since Peyton belongs to Sam because he has absolutely everything you could dream of from an incoming QB in bucket loads. Luck has 95% of the things Sam has, just is that 5% off.

Sam is the greatest PROSPECT, Luck 2nd.

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by Infemous on Oct 12, 2011 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's about NFL transferability

you gotta look at it at intelligence, leadership, size, accuracy, arm strength, ability to adapt to an NFL system/speed of the NFL…

The Boise St. QB is from a ridiculous spread of pitch and catch, is short and has a weird throwing motion. Doesn’t transfer to NFL success, at least pre draft.
If he plays well for the rest of the year he may get drafted late on, and have a shot in the long term, but in terms of PROSPECT, which is what I prefer discussing because it’s fairer, Luck is so many miles above him I can’t even word it.

Sam Bradford is only fractionally above Luck, but he’s still above him ;)

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by Infemous on Oct 12, 2011 11:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Boise actually runs more of a pro style.

But yeah, he’s purely a college great, he wants to be a coach in the future.

"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.

"Warner never took over games."

Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.

by douchiedude on Oct 16, 2011 3:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

You're crazy.

You watch the tape, tell me how many times you’ll hear “Luck under threw that a bit but he got it there!” on his deep balls? It seems to be a norm. Not even hear, just tell me how many deep balls are floated and underthrown? He doesn’t have a strong arm by any means. Now if you’ve been watching Sam this year despite his low completion %, that guy has made some unbelievable throws, including that Hail Mary we saw I think in preseason?

"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.

"Warner never took over games."

Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.

by douchiedude on Oct 10, 2011 9:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

the same thing with tebow, people just dont get it...

in college tim walked on water, its the same thing with luck. i mean if he really is that good? for people to put andrew on a pedestal with the likes of manning, and brady? then why the hell hasnt stanford won a national championship? im just saying. he supposed to make everybody around him better right? bottom line its the system he plays in as well….we all shall see.

by Mark Jaramillo on Oct 11, 2011 9:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

Why didn't

Manning or Brady win a championship in college?

Remember the great 2004 and 2005 Rams teams...

by Marmie is the best on Oct 11, 2011 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

for a guy you wet dream about marmie to have a...

passing eficiency of 178.0…first in the pac-12, but only rank 8th, in passing yrds per gm…and 7th in total offense, thats not enough to impress me. but look, obviously you dont like sam bradford, and im fine with that, thats your thing, so maybe you just need to find another team to root for marmie, cuz bradfords not going anywere.

oh btw…brady took the wolverines to the big 10 title in 98, with a win over arkansas in the citrus bowl, no he didnt win a title…manning just couldnt get over the hump with florida, it took all four tries but to no avail. but in his tenure at tennessee, he posted way bigger numbers than your boy luck in his second yr.

by Mark Jaramillo on Oct 11, 2011 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

Where are reading that?

Where did I ever say that Luck was my boy? Where did I ever say that I didn’t like Bradford.

Sammy is my dude. I wear his jersey to games. I am just realistic about what he has accomplished this far. I hope he becomes the best QB in NFL history, but that doesn’t mean that I think he is playing great football right now.

Here is what did happen:
Now, you did say that Luck isn’t that good because he hasn’t won a championship in college. I did point out the flaw in that logic. You did put words in mouth that I didn’t say.

Remember the great 2004 and 2005 Rams teams...

by Marmie is the best on Oct 11, 2011 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

everybody puts word in your mouth marmie...

either your always right, or contradicting yourself. me? im getting annoyed with the pointless argument already.

by Mark Jaramillo on Oct 12, 2011 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

It's not my fault

that your reading comprehension sucks.

Remember the great 2004 and 2005 Rams teams...

by Marmie is the best on Oct 12, 2011 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

i can read just fine...

you just like to argue for the sake of argueing. you just like to make people try and look stupid man. just get your point across and move on. every other post your trying to correct people and tell them there wrong. thats fine, thats your opinion. but your agument about luck, is like being a fanboy.

by Mark Jaramillo on Oct 12, 2011 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Woah now

I like Sam, but Luck looks like a better prospect

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by Tevin Broner on Oct 3, 2011 5:31 PM CDT reply actions  

Do you have something against Bradford?

Sam Bradford + Alshon Jeffery = All other teams are screwed!!

by RG31 on Oct 3, 2011 5:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

No the problem is

He hasn’t stepped one foot on the NFL field and he’s better? Sam is by far more accurate and has a better arm. The only thing better about luck is he comes from a pro style offense and maybe a little more mobile.

Sam Bradford + Alshon Jeffery = All other teams are screwed!!

by RG31 on Oct 3, 2011 7:32 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Back it up

“Sam is by far more accurate.” That statement is very inaccurate.

Bradford’s OU completion : 67.6
Luck’s Stanford completion : 65.4

And if Luck continues completing 71.4% of his passes this year (completely within his reach given his 70.7% completion % last year) and has the same amount of attempts, then his career % will be 66.9%. That looks pretty even if you ask me.

Or are you going to tell me that OU had a bad offensive line and no WRs while Stanford is full of future Pro-Bowlers.

Remember the great 2004 and 2005 Rams teams...

by Marmie is the best on Oct 3, 2011 8:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

No but I will tell you that I am an OU fan

So by no means are you going to win this argument. Check Sam’s best year compared to Luck’s… case closed..

Sam Bradford + Alshon Jeffery = All other teams are screwed!!

by RG31 on Oct 3, 2011 8:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh, sorry I didn't realize you were an OU fan

I guess that means that Bradford must be better than Luck.

My guess is that you’d call Bradford’s ’08 his best season, so here it goes
Bradford ’08
14 Games
328 completions
483 attempts
4720 yards
50 TD
8 INT
180.8 Rating

Luck ’10
13 Games
263 completions
372 attempts
70.7 Completion %
3338 Yards
32 TDs
8 INT
170.2 Rating

Doesn’t seem like the case is closed to me. Bradford’s year was better for sure, but not that much- certainly not enough to warrant me believing he is undeniably better than Luck.

Remember the great 2004 and 2005 Rams teams...

by Marmie is the best on Oct 3, 2011 9:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Bradford had more

Touchdowns, yards, rating and I’m guessing completion percentage, how is this not closed?

Sam Bradford + Alshon Jeffery = All other teams are screwed!!

by RG31 on Oct 3, 2011 10:22 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Bradford does have better college numbers

but that does not mean he is the better pro prospect. Sam certainly did not prove that he was more accurate than Luck.

Remember the great 2004 and 2005 Rams teams...

by Marmie is the best on Oct 3, 2011 10:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

we all have some valid arguements here...

but the bottom line here fella’s, is were all going to have to wait and see what luck does in the pro’s. tim tebow was the college football player of the yr how many times? (honestly cant remember), and look how he panned out. the college gm, and pro gm are two different entity’s.

players like bradford come once in a generation, cam newton;s looking like hes on his way as well, we will see how luck fairs in the pro’s.

by Mark Jaramillo on Oct 4, 2011 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

Remains to be seen

If players like Bradford come along once in a generation. Go back and look at Tony Banks’ rookie season. Bradford’s really wasn’t much better than Banks. He has a long way to go before you can make that “once-in-a-generation claim.”

Remember the great 2004 and 2005 Rams teams...

by Marmie is the best on Oct 4, 2011 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

give me a break marmie...

tony banks was drafted in 1996, became the starter that yr and what did he do?…he set a record for most fumbles in a season with 21! he was traded to the ravens after 3 seasons and started there, his fumbling ability cost then 3 gms that yr…insert trent dilfer..super bowl history. tony also played for the cowboys, and couldnt even take quincy carters job at qb…so pls man, dont even compare bradford to tony banks! that is a flat out insult to sam! that is a flat out inslut to us rams fans even mentioning tony banks name!!

by Mark Jaramillo on Oct 4, 2011 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

Don't put Bradford on a pedestal

Banks threw the ball about as Bradford did as a rookie. Banks had 15 TDs and 15 INTs to Bradfords 18 TDs and 15 INTs. Banks also had more yards per attempt.

Just facts.

Remember the great 2004 and 2005 Rams teams...

by Marmie is the best on Oct 4, 2011 10:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

ok so quit harping on bradford...

i dont put nowbody on any pedistal, but you make it sound like sam’s going to to go the same route as tony bank’s, as in bouncing around the league, team to team, after 3 yrs.

if your actually blaming bradford for this 0-4 start? thats pretty sad, coming from one of the rams fans that i really respect on this site, in terms of your longevity, and knowledge of the gm.

if anything, blame the 0-line coach, otr anybody on the offensive (pun intended), line, for getting sam killed out there. bradford’s going to be a great one in this league, and to see people bashing him is rediculous!

you honestly think that andrew luck can come in here, and magically turn the franchise around marmie? honestly? sam’s having the same sophomore slump that ryna, and stafford had in there 2nd yr. the guy (sam) has NOTHING to work with, so i guess we can agree to disagree, and btw…i still enjoy your posts. have a good day.

by Mark Jaramillo on Oct 5, 2011 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

pls excuse the mispelled letters lol...

im trying to type fast here at work! dont wanna get caught! lol

by Mark Jaramillo on Oct 5, 2011 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

You are reacting to things I didn't say

I never said Bradford is the reason for the Rams 0-4 start, or that he will take the same career path as Tony Banks, or that Luck could come in here and perform better.

I did say that
1) Bradford is at least partially to blame for the 0-4 start.
2) Bradford’s rookie year and Bank’s are not that different (and I said Sam was better than Tony.)
3) You can’t make the claim that Bradford is this “once-in-a-generation” talent and somehow far superior to Luck at this time. Bradford has not proven that he can be a very good QB in the NFL yet. I hope he does, but he just hasn’t proven it yet.

Remember the great 2004 and 2005 Rams teams...

by Marmie is the best on Oct 5, 2011 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

didn't banks have bruce.......

kennison and conwell to throw to. Even kennison would be the #1 on this years team.

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by Taosman on Oct 7, 2011 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

You should just stop.

Being an OU fan does not help prove you right. In fact, it lost you points since you’re biased as hell.

Bradford had a way better supporting cast and played in a spread offense and OU ran up the score every night (60+ points so many games in a row).

Not to mention that if college stats were the be all, end-all in grading prospects, Chase Daniel wants to know who fucked him over.

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by stlcardsfan4 on Oct 3, 2011 11:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

I disagree with the better supporting cast.

Luck’s offensive line was EXTREMELY good last year. His receivers, in my opinion, were also better, but OU’s system masked that. As for Broyles, he was only a freshman then. As for running up the score in those 60+ games, that’s not true. Big 12 title games, 65-21, Sam threw 19 passes. Against OSU, the game was competitive for most of the game. Against Mizzou, all touchdowns in the second half were rushing. Against Nebraska, didn’t even score in the fourth (no need). Same thing against A&M. Sam only threw 21 passes against UW. Only played the first half in the opener (50 points first half). They ran up the score because they were just that good. His lone awful game was against KSU, which I think without, his CP% would have also been closer to 70% haha.

"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.

"Warner never took over games."

Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.

by douchiedude on Oct 3, 2011 11:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thats basically why i admitted it

In my mind he’s not better than Sam and I think he could be a major bust because of the hype ya put on him. Sure he can be the better prospect ( I still don’t think so )

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by RG31 on Oct 4, 2011 12:13 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

RG31

I said he was a better prospect not that he would be better in the NFL. Also Bradford had a better cast around him. Luck took an average (if that) Stanford team and made them good. Not to mention his physical attributes.

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by Tevin Broner on Oct 4, 2011 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

Physically I think Luck is better

But I think Sam is more talented.

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by RG31 on Oct 4, 2011 10:45 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Stanford

is more than just Andrew Luck. People need to realize that Harbaugh did a GREAT job recruiting and coaching up players over there. Luck had a phenomenal supporting cast last year. As for physical attributes, not a single person will tell you his arm is stronger than Sam’s.

"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.

"Warner never took over games."

Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.

by douchiedude on Oct 4, 2011 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

this

as far as I know he’s got one of the best lines in all of college ball? much like Sam did… evens the comparisons a lil IMO.

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by Infemous on Oct 4, 2011 9:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

His two best linemen

returned this year but they lost three. Last year they were probably as good as any.

"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.

"Warner never took over games."

Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.

by douchiedude on Oct 4, 2011 11:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Luck's year was great last year,

but he would have never even been considered for the Heisman in Sam’s sophomore year. I think you’re underselling just how great Sam’s year was that season. I mean, Clausen had a 7-1 TD-INT ratio in his junior year, you don’t see anyone praising him.

"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.

"Warner never took over games."

Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.

by douchiedude on Oct 3, 2011 11:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

OU had a great offensive line,

but worse receivers than Stanford. Also, look at the difference in their throws. Luck’s throws are much, MUCH easier than the throws Sam made in college. Luck can go deep, though a lot of them are ducks, but Sam did it so often with a 67.6% completion percentage.

"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.

"Warner never took over games."

Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.

by douchiedude on Oct 3, 2011 11:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Watch the games Luck's offense runs.

It’s TE city with a very conservative approach when throwing.

Your comment about Stanfords online proves you don’t know what you’re talking about. Martin is a lock for the top 15 as a LT and DeCatstro is the top 2 or 3 guard who will at the very least be picked in the 2nd round and most likely the 1st. Owuso (spelling?) is also a very good WR and will be a NFL player and they have arguably the best TE trio in the country. So, yes Luck does have quality NFL talent around him.

Also completion percentage does not equal accuracy. If that was true then Mark Sanchez would be a more accurate passer than Bradford but if you actually knew anything you’d know that complation percentage is a direct result of the type of throws you’re asked to make, how aggressive the offense is, are your receivers going to catch everything. By the way only Malcolm Kelly was a NFL receiver from OU that Bradford has to throw to and he was a massive bust in the NFL. Gresham was a TE. Broyles was a sophomore when Bradford left and if you actually knew anything you’d know Bradford didn’t play in 2009 for OU because of the injury. So the only time he and Broyles were connecting was 2008 and Broyles was a non factor that season because he was a freshman. Broyles is Landry Jones receiver not Bradfords.

The mental part of the game for Luck and Bradford is a push. Bradford, coming out of a spread offense and not playing in a year picked up the West Coast offense and started the season as the starting QB. That speaks volumes of how well he absorbs information then taking that info and applying it to the game. If I remember correctly Bradford scored very high on the Wonderlic.

Bradford also has just as strong of an arm. But Bradford’s quick release is better than Lucks. Combine that with Bradfords mechanics, accuracy and smart decisions and you got yourself a better prospect or at the very least an equal prospect.

As for their mobility, it’s the same and the only reason why Luck runs is because he likes to scramble while Bradford doesn’t. But it’s clearly obvious that Bradford can take off is he needs to as well. By the way, I don’t want my QB scrambling, I want him to play like Brady and Peyton. I want my QB to use his arm to move the ball not his feet.

They both have comparable triangle numbers as well so neither one out classes the other in that department.

Let me break it down to you, because you have become almost worse than RamChop about talent evaluations and your draft knowledge is severely lacking. Bradford is one of, if not the best QB prospect since Peyton. The only reason why Luck gets the ridiculous attention he gets is because he plays in a pure pro-style offense and he runs it very well. If Bradford had run a pure pro-style offense the expectations and hype would have been awesome.

Bradford also played much better competition. The Pac-12 is a fucking joke, while the Big 12, while Sam was there, was one of the best conferences. While Bradford was there Texas, Missouri, Kansas, Oklahoma St. and Texas Tech were all ranked in the top 10. Staford and Oregon are the only 2 schools that have been ranked in the top 10 since Lucks been there.

On top of that Bradford won the Heisman and took his team to the National Championship.

Yes Luck is a very good prospect, he has it all, but he has nothing that Bradford doesn’t. Not a single thing and where Bradford takes him is in the accuracy department. Bradford already has top 3 or 4 accuracy in the NFL.

Oh and one last thing. Sofli said that Bradfords combine interview was rated the highest by NFL teams since Peyton Manning. Brandt called Bradfords pro day the best since Troy Aikman and the Rams selected Bradford 3 months before the draft/ That’s right, Devaney admitted it in the ESPN Michael Vick issue a couple of months ago.

The only 2 knocks on Bradford coming out was his injury and offensive system he played in. And he destroyed both of those in his first year by picking up the West Coast system while setting numerous records and he took every single offensive snap for the 2010 Rams.

So please, don’t comment about the draft or how Bradford was viewed because you obviously have no idea what you’re talking about.

by DaFranchiZe on Oct 5, 2011 6:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

Baldwin, Owusu, the Whalen brothers,

Fleener, Ertz, Taylor. No one should ever say Luck’s supporting cast is weak. Doug Baldwin is pretty freaking impressive right now with the Seahawks.

"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.

"Warner never took over games."

Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.

by douchiedude on Oct 5, 2011 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wow

The reason people get mad is because Bradford is our guy and when people go off and say shit like “we should have drafted Suh” or “we should draft Luck” or “Luck is better” undermines the franchise player on this team.

To put it in another perspective I see Bradford as part of the Rams family, and soince I love the Rams and consider to be apart of the Rams family i.e. Rams community, and I think we can all agree that we’re a family here, it gets annoying and frustrating when people say “we should have taken someone else” or “this player is better”.

It feels like you’re insulting a family member. I would back any of our guys up in a debate and logically as I could of course, but none the less back them up. And it seems around here Bradford is a polarizing member of the team when he clearly shouldn’t be. He’s our franchise QB, our guy. A guy we drafted and a guy who will be with this team for at least a decade. So dreaming about other players for a position that is taken for the next 10 plus years is obnoxious and it seems more like trolling then innocent debating.

by DaFranchiZe on Oct 5, 2011 6:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

You misunderstood I think

I’m not going to get pissed about topics that involve questioning Bradford. But it’s more about he’s the Rams QB and will continue to be the QB for as long as possible and trying to throw out hypothetical questions seems like a waste of time because that is the only truly stable position on this roster. Also, questioning the decision when it was clearly the best decision of this franchise since they acquired Marshall Faulk does nothing but put doubt into peoples minds. And if you haven’t noticed there are some pretty stupid people here, not to mention the ESPN / Twitter kids who want instant gratification and if they don’t get it then Bradford must be a bust.

I to think it’s proactive to question past drafts, especially how bad some of them have been for the Rams, but questioning the Bradford pick, when he is obviously not the problem but the solution to this teams woes is just tiresome.

And so far there’s little empirical reason to think Sam Bradford doesn’t have as good a chance to become that best QB of the future as any other young QB when he’s got better than average tools and seems to be on his way to becoming a master of his offense and the precision passing game. You might not think he gets there, but if you think there’s no chance of it happening you’re being a hater and either choosing to delude yourself or just judging from a position of ignorance.

That’s why it’s stupid to argue the Rams should cash in Bradford if they can draft the unproven Luck, rather than sticking with the guy who’s actually faced NFL defenses before, has similar elite potential, and has done an admirable job despite being on a team so bereft of talent that the Rams almost never have more talent than their opponents, yet he almost lead them tot he playoffs last year and has a good chance to finally accomplish the feat this year if they can avoid any more major injuries and their luck improves.

by DaFranchiZe on Oct 5, 2011 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Did someone say to cash in Bradford

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by dbcouver on Oct 5, 2011 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

I wasn't referring to you with that comment

it was more a general statement to the people who think that

by DaFranchiZe on Oct 5, 2011 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Haha

Trolls will get whats coming to them

by DaFranchiZe on Oct 5, 2011 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not sacrilege

but I really don’t see it.

Luck has these things out of college over Sam: Better at Playaction, Ran a ‘Pro Style Offense’, More dangerous running with the ball.

Bradford has these things out of college over Luck: Heisman, BCS Championship game experience, stronger arm, better accuracy, lightening quick release.

They’re equal with regards to intelligence and athleticism and can’t comment on leadership.

I don’t see how Luck is the better prospect. His arm strength is incredibly limited, release is slow. Everything else is like an A/A* but those are some big issues to have.

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by Infemous on Oct 3, 2011 7:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

By the way

watch the Virginia Tech bowl game last year, think it was the Orange and you will see how limited Lucks arm is. He one hops roll out passes to the strong side that go no further than 10 yards.

It’s so funny how once ESPN says someone is good the rest of the sheep follow.

by DaFranchiZe on Oct 5, 2011 6:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

I've said it many a time

but it seems to me Luck is a more athletic, more polished Matt Ryan.

That is in no way a bad thing, but that arm isn’t going to take over games. It’ll win games, and it’ll make every throw, but Luck is not able to drive the ball in between double coverage in the NFL with ease, off the back foot or rolling out. Sam does.
I saw that game tape and that was what really cooled me off on Luck.

I initially thought Luck had a cannon (after seeing him overthrow every Wide Open WR downfield…) but he’s toned it back and become more accurate with it.

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by Infemous on Oct 5, 2011 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't know about higher ceiling.

I think he’s a better prospect because he’s extremely pro-ready in my opinion, but his arm strength is incredibly average for me to say he has a higher ceiling. Great touch, but he throws floaters quite often, they could get picked off more often in the NFL.

"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.

"Warner never took over games."

Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.

by douchiedude on Oct 3, 2011 11:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

this.

I’m sorry but Luck’s ceiling is a more accurate, better out of the pocket, better decision making Matt Ryan.

Still can be a top QB, hell, even elite. But in comparison of raw tools Sam and Luck is no contest.

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by Infemous on Oct 4, 2011 9:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Absolutely right

He’s just a better Matt Ryan while Bradford ha the ceiling of Kurt Warner. A ridiculously accurate passer with a ultra quick release and the poise and smarts to adapt quickly and counter the defense on the fly.

by DaFranchiZe on Oct 5, 2011 6:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think the point behind drafting Luck

Is to make sure that whichever team wants Luck has to trade us for him, hopefully like the Chargers with Eli Manning. If it drops us a couple of spots in the draft and lets us pile up on some more draft picks I am all for grabbing Luck.

Sick of always telling people "next year", ready for next year to become this year.

by Swatsky on Oct 3, 2011 6:47 PM CDT reply actions  

WRONG!

The only reason why the Chargers drafted Eli was because there was no sure thing that the Giants were going to get Philip Rivers. Had the Giants not gotten him the Chargers wouldn’t have traded Eli to them. The only reason why the Chargers did that was because it was the only to guarantee they would get the QB they wanted.

The Rams aren’t in that position. The Rams would trade out of the pick to the highest bidder. Whether that be the 4th overall pick or all the way down to the 14th pick. Just as long as the pick gets the most value.

by DaFranchiZe on Oct 5, 2011 6:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

I say we take Luck just to troll the league.

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by mlkgandhiv2k on Oct 3, 2011 7:52 PM CDT reply actions  

Rec'd

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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by weekend_warrior55 on Oct 4, 2011 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

WTF!!!!!!!

Sam has a fluke year against sorry teams and for some reason you think he is the teams saviour. But as far as I’m concerned yall still in garbage in fact yall in the sewer

by datruth101 on Oct 7, 2011 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

The only person

saying this stupid shit is King Sam Rules. Really, he’s just saying it so often that it seems like multiple people are talking about it, but I think most of us have some common sense for the most part. IF we have the #1 overall pick, the obvious thing to do is to trade out of the pick for the best offer we receive, like what the Cardinals did with San Diego when they wanted Ryan Leaf. Luck is even more coveted and it’s the #1 overall pick, so you can get even more than the Cardinals got back then, and that’s a SHIT ton. What King Sam Rules was saying is draft Luck and trade Bradford, that’s just pure dumbassery.

"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.

"Warner never took over games."

Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.

by douchiedude on Oct 3, 2011 11:35 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Agreed

Of course you never want to be at the bottom of the barrel, but getting the 1st overall pick wouldn’t necessarily be a bad thing. Trade it to someone who desperately wants Luck, get a fuck load of picks and maybe a current pro player idk I’m not a draft trading expert, but we could potentially patch up a lot of holes short and long term.

It's put up or shut up time for these WR's. Someone's going to have to perform or else they'll all be hitting the street. ESPECIALLY YOU ALEXANDER

by ramswo85 on Oct 4, 2011 12:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

neither am I but you're right, we could

why can’t our FO do it? Itseems like every year someone does it pretty well.

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by dbcouver on Oct 4, 2011 12:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

Think about it this way.

If Sam does get to 72 sacks, we might have no choice but to get Andrew Luck. :)

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by Tevin Broner on Oct 4, 2011 10:33 AM CDT reply actions  

right right...

so andrew can come in and break that record of 72 sacks? get real man, wtf does getting sacked have to do with sam! if anything have no choice and blame the 0-line and there freakin coach! how about that?!

by Mark Jaramillo on Oct 4, 2011 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think he means that getting sacked that much will get Sam killed and we'll have to draft another QB.

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by Tempestuous Binary on Oct 7, 2011 7:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well, we take Luck and trade Sam

…then Bradford will go somewhere else and shine like a new penny.

by Brawnwitch on Oct 4, 2011 2:30 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

rec'd

Sam Bradford + Alshon Jeffery = All other teams are screwed!!

by RG31 on Oct 4, 2011 6:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

No one can perform behind this O line, throwing to these receivers.

Bradfords stats would not look nearly as bad if there weren’t 6-9 drops a game, and these crap receivers have dropped at least one of his TD throws in every single game thus far. Bradford has the arm, the intelligence and the work ethic to be great. What he doesn’t have is any help at all. No one player can do it on his own, not Luck, not Newton, not Tom Brady. Sam needs help, plain and simple.

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by DuhhhRams! on Oct 4, 2011 4:20 PM CDT reply actions  

Its not worth the contraversy

emagine how much stuff drafting andrew luck would cause split locker room, spags handeling it horibly, after he finds out he cant call time out. More of spags handling it horrible and anaylis glaore. THIS WOULD BE HORIBLE. (i suck at spelling)

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by gsot21 on Oct 4, 2011 6:10 PM CDT reply actions  

(yes you do)

lol, it’s OK though, I got most of it.

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by DuhhhRams! on Oct 4, 2011 6:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

I like Sam watched him develope into a great quarterback for OU he was also a

great leader but if the team keep’s playing the way they are he will be killed out there. I’m a proud OU fan and I don’t give a crap if you think it skew’s my viewpoint of him or not. The reality is your lucky to have him on your team. Now if you had drafted Suh you would have an improved Defense but a still crappy offense led by Feeley probably. Here’s the thing about drafting Luck and frankly I doubt that happens but under the assumption that he is I suspect he may replace Sam for a fresh QB. Now if there is a new couch by the end of the season I can easily see that happening. I will not envy you guy’s if that is the case cause you would be starting over with a new couch and a new Qb……..again. Now trading Sam would also garner a lot of pick’s and maybe a good player soooo it could be a win,win the team would get more pick’s and Sam would a fresh start.

by Freewheeler2 on Oct 5, 2011 6:35 AM CDT reply actions  

Fresh start?

He’s 4 games into his 2nd year. Bradford is going to be a Ram for 10 years. Jesus Christ. This nonsense has turned into the new Rams to LA crap of just stupidity and nothing but bullshit trolling comments.

Get it through all of your heads. SAM BRADFORD WILL BE A ST.LOUIS RAM FOR A DECADE AT LEAST! HE IS A FRANCHISE QB WHO HAS THE POTENTIAL TO BE A TOP 5 QB BEFORE HE TURNS 25 YEARS OLD. THE ST.LOUIS RAMS LOVE BRADFORD AND HE IS ABSOLUTELY NOT THE REASON WHY THE RAMS ARE AS BAD AS THEY ARE.

BY the way, according to PFF Bradford has had a positive rating for each game this year and has been very impressive from their ratings. This, coming from a group of guys who are notoriously hard on young quarterbacks, even they realize how good he is.

Some of you need some serious lessons in talent evaluation.

by DaFranchiZe on Oct 5, 2011 6:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

I completly agree with you he is a top QB and I will dare say if the Ram's by some

miracle actually surround him with receivers that could catch he will give you guys more TD and 1st down’s then you can handle whether or not he is under pressure. The thing is if they keep going like they did the first four games I’m afraid he would be a wasted talent for the Ram’s and possibly ruined. That is something I do not want to see that’s why I even suggested trading him not that I think it will happen mind you.

by Freewheeler2 on Oct 5, 2011 6:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

Dude

I can’t tell you how disappointed I am in this organization and how they have handled the talent at the skill positions. It’s a disgrace and the team should be embarrassed at themselves for allowing their center piece to get beaten up like this.

I’m disappointed in the offensive lineman and receivers for not putting forth 100% effort on every single play and be focused for all 60 minutes of a game.

Bradford is to special, and is the key to this teams success and what they are doing to him, or better yet what they aren’t doing for him is borderline criminal.

by DaFranchiZe on Oct 5, 2011 8:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

You guys are taking this way too serious.

The facts are that the Rams will keep bradford and they won’t even touch Luck. The Rams won’t get the first overall pick, at worse the 7th pick.

I know Bradford is the franchise QB, but god let’s not annoint the man before he has an elite season. Will he be great? Sure, but no one knows how great.

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by Tevin Broner on Oct 5, 2011 10:19 AM CDT reply actions  

Talking prospect Sam is better

Like some said above Sofli said that Bradfords combine interview was rated the highest by NFL teams since Peyton Manning. Brandt called Bradfords pro day the best since Troy Aikman and the Rams selected Bradford 3 months before the draft/ That’s right, Devaney admitted it in the ESPN Michael Vick issue a couple of months ago.

Sam Bradford + Alshon Jeffery = All other teams are screwed!!

by RG31 on Oct 5, 2011 11:08 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

McShay Quote

“I can’t remember being in such awe of a quarterback in my decade of attending combines and pro days. (His) passing session was the most impressive of all the pro days I’ve been to. His footwork for such a big quarterback was surprising. He was nimble in his dropbacks, rolling out and throwing on the run. The ball just explodes out of his hands.”

That was about JaMarcus Russell. The bottom line is that every QB drafted #1 has stuff like that said about them.

Remember the great 2004 and 2005 Rams teams...

by Marmie is the best on Oct 5, 2011 11:16 AM CDT reply actions  

Difference is

Bradford’s actually proven it..

Sam Bradford + Alshon Jeffery = All other teams are screwed!!

by RG31 on Oct 5, 2011 11:21 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Agree to disagree on that point

If finishing 34th in DYAR and DVOA is proving it, then yeah, he has proven it. By your standard, Russell came pretty close to proving it (he finished 35th and 34th as a rookie in those metrics.)

Remember the great 2004 and 2005 Rams teams...

by Marmie is the best on Oct 5, 2011 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yea but name me a consistent wr on this team

Have you seen all these drops or are you just blaming Sam like its the new fad but hey keep blaming him for the problems

Sam Bradford + Alshon Jeffery = All other teams are screwed!!

by RG31 on Oct 5, 2011 11:45 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

and you coparing Russel to Sam shoule be a crime..

Sam Bradford + Alshon Jeffery = All other teams are screwed!!

by RG31 on Oct 5, 2011 11:50 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Not my fault

that Russell ranked about the same in ‘08 as Sam did last year. (To be fair, it was Russell’s 2nd season, but his first as a starter.)

Remember the great 2004 and 2005 Rams teams...

by Marmie is the best on Oct 5, 2011 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

You know what I wounder

if after Peyton’s first two years you thought he would be a bust, or Farve, Joe Montana, or Steve Young. You can’t judge a QB off of his first two years and say he’s a bust, just pure ignorance because if so you would have traded Peyton or any of them guys I mentioned above..

Sam Bradford + Alshon Jeffery = All other teams are screwed!!

by RG31 on Oct 5, 2011 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Read what I wrote, not what you want to react to

I have just pointed out that Bradford’s performance so far has not been great. I never said that he was doomed to be a bust. Like I said above, I wasn’t the one who made Bradford rank the same as Jamarcus Russell; Bradford did that.

If you want to preach having patience with Bradford, that is fine by me. I’m all for it. But, let’s not get ahead of ourselves and say that he is performing at a high level right now.

Remember the great 2004 and 2005 Rams teams...

by Marmie is the best on Oct 5, 2011 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

That was also

McShay.

"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.

"Warner never took over games."

Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.

by douchiedude on Oct 5, 2011 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

But Sam trumps Jamarcus in the fact that he doesn't sip the DRAAANK

Yes, there is hype every year for every QB, but Sam actually is.

Watch the tape yourself. There isn’t a more impressive NFL prospect at QB since Peyton Manning.

Not even Andrew Luck.

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by Infemous on Oct 5, 2011 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

thank you rg31!!

you took the words out of my mouth, i was going to say, would try aikman, or peyton manning been labeled busts, after going 1-15 with there respective teams? they both turned it around why?…because there F.O. had the BALLS to pull the trigger on moves trades/draft picks, to turn there franchizes around!

remember when dallas traded there untouchable icon in hershel walker? it was straight up blasphemy at the time! and look what it got them, boatloads of picks that netted the H.O.F players like irvin, smith, moose johnson, novachek, that monster 0-line that netted them 3 super bowls…i can go on and on. why cant the rams do the same? with someone like jackson?

manning the same thing, there front office isnt afraid to make moves, inlike cevaney, who seems to get shellshocked when a crisis like the one we have now go’s on. its like he stiffens up like an armadillo on a highway, before getting hit. be bold, makes some trades/ moves and get this team going in the right direction.

by Mark Jaramillo on Oct 5, 2011 12:55 PM CDT reply actions  

No one wants Jackson

He is too old. You can’t get anything for him.

Remember the great 2004 and 2005 Rams teams...

by Marmie is the best on Oct 5, 2011 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

It drive me nuts sometimes

We can get a #1 for SJax..
We would be lucky if a #3 or 4 was offered. To us he is worth a #1. To everyone else he is a older beat up power back with maybe 1or two productive years left. We really need to let him go anyway. I am sick of trying to build around him. IMO

by Da Rookie on Oct 5, 2011 11:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree

We won’t get a high pick for him, but a 3rd is fine. Hell maybe even use him in a package deal. Say we’ll give you a 2nd and Jackson for a 1st.

The Rams don’t need an overhaul of the franchise. They need an overhaul of their philosophy. They need to realze that in todays NFL you build around the QB, not the defense, not the running game, not the secondary……THE GOD DAMN QB!

The Rams have one, a special one, and they need to acquire picks how ever they can and devote them to the offense.

But the big thing is the front office has to be better at evaluating free agents. Sometimes they are going to have to break the bank for a player, sometimes they are going to have to cut an old player on the roster in order to make room for a younger more promising player.

The whole passing on Braylon Edwards and Darren Sproles thing was ridiculous. They both should be Rams. I would have gladly taken them instead of Leber, Popinga, Bannan, Sims-Walker, Cadillac Williams, Norwood and Al Harris.

by DaFranchiZe on Oct 6, 2011 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

I adree with you. Bradford is a stud

and I would like to keep him. But there is a wildcard in the mix here that maybe you forgot about.
Luck will be alot cheaper due to the new CBA than Bradford is.
 If the new regime thinks that trading away that payroll to someone else for a ton of draft picks is a good idea they will do it. I really think Bradford is a stud QB let’s hope there is no decision to be made.

by Da Rookie on Oct 5, 2011 11:50 PM CDT reply actions  

I can't believe people really believe Bradford is the problem and are already labling him a bust or

not a franchise QB. I really can’t believe it. You’d think that with the unbelievable type of shit this franchise has seen at QB they would at least recognize one with real talent, real poise, real leadership, real eveything….yet they don’t. I don’t know maybe that have this idea of a super QB who magically walks onto a team and turns water into wine and all of a sudden is Peyton Manning. Peyton Manning wasn’t even Peyton Manning until 2001 and 2002. Aaron Rogers sat on the bench for 3 years and the Packers still drafted a QB in the 2nd round because they didn’t know if he was the real deal. Bradford goes out and proves it in his rookie year and people still aren’t convinced. He shows everything you could want in the franchise. elite young QB. The worst he has done this year is hold on the ball for to long and miss 4 throws. That’s it! And he has already stated 3 pressers in a row that he holds onto the ball to long because the play is calling for him to attack down field. I’m disgusted in this conversation and the people who entertain the idea of moving on without him.

To be honest with some of you, I’m giving Bradford a pass on everything. I really don’t give a shit if you think I’m being a homer, or I’m thinking to highly of him. I’m sick of watching the revolving door at QB on this team of fucking garbage. I’m sick of watching mediocre talent, some garbage ass 4th round piece of shit behind center, I’m sick of bringing some bum from someone elses team to take over. Bradford as far as I’m concerned gets a pass for the entire 2011 season. If you don’t like it, go fuck yourself. If he doesn’t progress next season in his 2nd full year of McDaniels offense and his 3rd year in the league then I’ll start to question him, but right now you have to be insane to think he is the problem or should share in the majority of the blame.

Maybe some of you didn’t know this, but Drew Brees was so bad his first 3 years in San Diego they drafted a QB #1 overall. That’s right, the God of the Big Easy was so horrible that the Chargers drafted Eli Manning, then traded him for Philip Rivers. And you want to dump on Bradford after 1 1/4th year? And Brees had a young LT. Bradford has an old ass busted Steven Jackson.

I’m done with the blaming of a 1 1/4 old year veteran. My blame goes on the coaches, Steven Jackson, the receivers, front office, offensive line Chris Long as well as the other busted ass picks still on this team. And speaking of Long, I don’t hear anyone calling out him, and he’s been here 4 years and still can’t get any push consistently and is absolutely horrific against the run. Yet no one even mentions him.

You idiots want to cry about Bradford go ahead, but there’s a reason why you idiots have some boring ass office job playing arm chair GM on the computer in your underoos while people who actually know what’s up know that Bradford is an excellent young QB with elite tools. Some of you are an actual disgrace to NFL fans.

by DaFranchiZe on Oct 6, 2011 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

very well said dafranchize...

people tend to forget that peyton manning, and even troy aikman went 1-15 there 1st yrs, and yet , sam bradford is the problem? ya freakin right! its a damn shame having to see a soon to be elite qb, suffer through this. look what happened to carson palmer, he was on some shitty ass reams, and he finally had enough. do i blame him? hell no!

we have people comparing sam to tony banks, really? all i have to say about that is, tony never sniffed the playoffs when he was the starter for the rams in his tenure, and all bradford did was take the rams to an “almost” playoff berth, AND division title! but yet, people want to harp blame on sam, even insulting him by wanting andrew luck! gtf out of her with that horseshit! im like you dafranchize, im done defending bradford, imagine if he was shipped off somewhere else? and won a super bowl? how would you haters feel then? oh! the whole world would collapse!

by Mark Jaramillo on Oct 6, 2011 2:25 PM CDT reply actions  

1 more game

Bradford won 7 games as a rookie and Banks won 6. Is that such a huge difference?

Remember the great 2004 and 2005 Rams teams...

by Marmie is the best on Oct 6, 2011 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

You have lost all respect...

Sam Bradford + Alshon Jeffery = All other teams are screwed!!

by RG31 on Oct 6, 2011 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

I lost all respect?

for what? speaking the truth? shit thats fine by me!

by Mark Jaramillo on Oct 6, 2011 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

He was replying to Marmie :)

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by DuhhhRams! on Oct 6, 2011 6:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh it's all good

lol

Sam Bradford + Alshon Jeffery = All other teams are screwed!!

by RG31 on Oct 6, 2011 7:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

You continue to draw your own conclusions

You are placing words in my mouth that I never said. If Bradford is to be praised for "’almost’ playoff berth, AND division title" then you are the one setting that as the bar for success.

If that is the bar for success then you have to admit that Tony Banks pretty much got there as well.

I am not ragging on Bradford. I am just pointing out the implications of your logic in evaluating Bradford as you do.

I would appreciate it if you could read my posts for what they are.

Remember the great 2004 and 2005 Rams teams...

by Marmie is the best on Oct 6, 2011 8:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

How did I do that?

I was just saying that you are judging Bradford unfairly. I never praised him for the almost playoff berth or divisional title now you’re putting words in my mouth. I mostly place the almost berth on the defense sense they kept us in so many games last year. Sam was basically a game manager but you are dogging on him even implicating that he doesn’t train hard on another post. All I’m saying is you can’t judge a QB on his first two years or you would have though Peyton, Montana, and Farve were bad QBs in which they were not.

Sam Bradford + Alshon Jeffery = All other teams are screwed!!

by RG31 on Oct 6, 2011 8:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

I meant to reply to Jaramillo

He was the one I quoted in that post. I didn’t say Sam didn’t train hard, just that you have no idea how hard he is really training. I NEVER said that he did not train hard, but some of the comments about his training habits were complete opinion and no fact.

Again, I am not ragging on Sam. I just believe that we should be preaching patience for Sam and not preaching about how he is already so successful because a lot of QBs have accomplished what he has already.

You correctly point out that many highly successful QBs (some of the best of all-time) have had difficult times early on and I am not disputing that. Bradford could become an excellent quarterback, but he is not there yet.

Remember the great 2004 and 2005 Rams teams...

by Marmie is the best on Oct 6, 2011 8:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

And I agree with you

He is not a successful QB yet and I also agree that we should preach patience for him because it won’t be turned around over night. Didn’t mean to come off wrong just thought you were blaming him for what’s wrong with this team, my apologies.

Sam Bradford + Alshon Jeffery = All other teams are screwed!!

by RG31 on Oct 6, 2011 8:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks RG31

Thanks for taking a look at what I wrote again and re-evaluating it. Very rarely have I ever been critical of Bradford.

I have often been critical of the way he is evaluated by others, however. That’s really the only point I was trying to make- that Bradford should be evaluated objectively, just like every other Ram. Thanks again, RG

Remember the great 2004 and 2005 Rams teams...

by Marmie is the best on Oct 7, 2011 8:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

Take your shit talk of Sam to the 9ers nation

I’m sure they’d laugh your ass out of there. They’d LOVE to have Bradford.

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by DuhhhRams! on Oct 6, 2011 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

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by stlcardsfan4 on Oct 6, 2011 9:14 PM CDT reply actions  

Oh damn

Let’s try that again.

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by stlcardsfan4 on Oct 6, 2011 9:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Last time i swear

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by stlcardsfan4 on Oct 6, 2011 9:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

I give up....

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by stlcardsfan4 on Oct 6, 2011 9:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't know what you failed at

but it’s funny. lol

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by DuhhhRams! on Oct 7, 2011 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

You can't compare a college player to an NFL player EVER

as a prospect coming out of college Luck is probably the best we’ve EVER seen and theres no argument there he has every measurable you can ask for and has the pedigree to back it up. HOWEVER you never know. He could be a HUGE bust

by zaviex on Oct 7, 2011 12:15 AM CDT reply actions  

its all mental these days physically at the combine i fully expect Luck to measure up to bradford in every way

but you know what a lot of guys have looked like can’t miss prospects and been complete busts its all up top

by zaviex on Oct 7, 2011 12:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

I would agree

except that Luck doesn’t have every measurable you could ask for.

His arm strength is sub par and he throws a LOT of ducks.
He also has a slow release.

That’s 2 big knocks on him from being the best ever, and Sam trumps him in both.

With regards to mental side, I’m assuming it’s a wash. Sam is super smart, a great leader and he is tough. I don’t think Luck just because he’s from Stanford is smarter than Sam, or that booksmarts makes him a better leader than Sam.

Yes, Luck is a great prospect, but just compare Sam and Luck out of college and you’ll see that Sam’s knocks were nitpicking (spread offense waaaah – inability to play under center despite 50% of snaps at OU being under center etc.) and Luck’s issues are genuine. Don’t forget sub par deep accuracy as well. He’s addressed it but he’s had issues with the deep ball.

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by Infemous on Oct 7, 2011 7:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

i wouldn't agree with that his arm is about as strong as Sam's

neither of them have great arms. Also 6% of Sams snaps at OU his sophomore year were under center 50% his freshman year…

by zaviex on Oct 10, 2011 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

If the Rams get the top pick next year, the options are limitless.

They could easily clean out some team’s draft (Miami, Seattle, possibly Minnesota and perhaps even Jacksonville) that is in full-on desperation for an answer at QB. Additionally there are a number of teams that have serviceable QBs but would probably be willing to trade up for a “sure thing” – teams like San Francisco, Oakland, Kansas City.

In that scenario, we need to get the best group of picks possible (not necessarily the most) that also allows us to pickup the stud WR of the next draft, Justin Blackmon. Swapping firsts plus an extra second, and perhaps an extra first and/or second the following year would really allow this team to build the offense around Bradford while still allowing the defense to upgrade.

I would think that the key point in the 2012 draft is to land Blackmon.

by Boomer Lion on Oct 7, 2011 1:47 PM CDT reply actions  

hmmm

I’m on the Alshon Jeffery bandwagon

by Jae-So on Oct 9, 2011 5:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

+1

Bandwagons feeling pretty good right now

Sam Bradford + Alshon Jeffery = All other teams are screwed!!

by RG31 on Oct 14, 2011 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Rams lead Suck for Luck contest

Currently the Rams are the worst stat wise at 0-4 along with the Dolphins.

The Rams loss to Green Bay will make us even with the Colt’s (0-5), who could possibly beat the Bengals this week.

Dolphins will probably lose to the Jets, so they may go 0-5 also which puts us back in a tie for Lucky draft picks.

by OakCityRam on Oct 11, 2011 11:00 AM CDT reply actions  

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