NFL Trade Rumors: Rashean Mathis And Brandon Lloyd
NFL trade rumors have connected the St. Louis Rams to Broncos wide receiver Brandon Lloyd. However, another name has become the subject of trade rumors lately that would fit a major need for the Rams. According to Peter King of Sports Illustrated, several NFL front office types have told him that they believe Jaguars CB Rashean Mathis could be available for a mid-round pick.
Mathis fits an obvious need for the Rams, given they have Justin King, Rod Hood, Al Harris and a bunch of inexperienced players as their cornerbacks right now. In case you haven't noticed, cornerbacks are more of a rarity on the trade block. This is a deal the Rams would most definitely need to look into.
Mathis is 31, and has 30 interceptions through his career. He had eight interceptions in 2006, but that was a long time ago. He has one takeaway this year. Takeaways are only a small part of it. He would give the Rams a starting caliber cornerback, something they just don't have right now.
It's unlikely that the Rams would trade for both Mathis and Brandon Lloyd. They could use both. The secondary is something less than paper thin, but the real mystery on defense is why the linebackers and the line have played so poorly. Part of it is that DT Fred Robbins is having a poor season. That might be age. Defensive tackles tend to go from good to bad quickly as knees and the body give way to the wear and tear of trench play. The linebacker play is simply inexplicable. Of course, in case you haven't noticed, the offense is terrible too. While the pass protection is a big concern, the lack of viable offensive weapons is STILL an issue.
You can continue playing armchair general manager, looking at the roster thinking so and so still has potential. The fact of the matter is that the coaches have failed to extract that potential, and that potential probably isn't what you think it is anyway among a bunch of late-round and undrafted players.
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If we make a move for either
I think that means that Kroenke has decided to give Spags & BD another year, otherwise why let them continue to bring in their players… and if we don’t make a move, that might be telling too.
by Will not be defeated on Oct 16, 2011 8:08 AM CDT reply actions
Meh
Rashean Mathis and Brandon Lloyd aren’t going to singlehandedly turn this team around. Our ills are more comprehensive.
Sure, some would say that if we’re this crappy, you should look to improve the team with a move here or there. But ignoring the whole of free agency and the eight or so players we added there (and their minimal returns) is too “what have you done for me lately.”
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by 3k on Oct 16, 2011 8:22 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
The way I look at it
is we need reliable players on both sides of the ball. They both have about 3 or 4 years left and assuming we have some decent drafts, we should be in the playoffs a year of two from now. We won’t win in the playoffs without some reliable veterans so I don’t see why we shouldn’t trade away a few mid round picks for them and sign them to 3 year deals at the right price.
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depends on your definition
of reliable. Relying on Brandon Lloyd and Rashean Mathis could be a deathstroke.
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by 3k on Oct 16, 2011 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions
I'd rather take a chance on them
because we know that relying on MSW and King is a deathstroke.
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depends on what you see as the lesser of two evils
taking a chance on either of these guys and their futures or playing out this season toward whatever expectations exist at this point with some draft picks in the pocket.
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usually I'm all for having the extra draft picks
but as long as we don’t give up a ton of late round picks, and we can keep all of our picks from the first three rounds, I’m cool with taking a chance on them
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by Josh Wehrle on Oct 16, 2011 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions
Trading draft picks for such 'over the hill' players makes no sense for us
If it’s for a player we can use to actually build on, then it makes more sense.
by RamsFan1979 on Oct 16, 2011 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions
BD and /or Spags ?
I do not buy into the theory that the “coaches have failed to extract their potential.” I blame BD.
Although it is a distinct possibility that Spags will be gone at the end of this year, I personally hold Billy D accountable. Let’s face it. He track record to date at a) providing quality depth b) signing FA’s that produce c) getting great return on his draft picks, etc etc. is far below average at best.
When you have a bunch of leftovers practicing each day against each other, sure, they look pretty good (in practice). However, once “real” NFL games start they are seriously outmatched at the point of attack, fold under pressure, make stupid mistakes etc. The Rams currently have only 2 or 3 NFL-quality players, and still do not have ANY playmakers.
IMHO Spags is still doing an admirable job, but please, let’s get the poor guy some quality football players to work with next year !
GO RAMS!!!
How do you explain the offensive line?
Brown paid$$ in free agency, Saffold first pick in round 2, Smith#2 overall pick (our Right Tackle wtf) Why oh why do we not have a offensive line coach that can coach? Saffold and Smith have both regressed. Some assistant coaches need to be fired.
Thank u good sir!
No coach could win with,ghis rams team. Ppl r using spags as the “sacraficial lamb” and its getting ridiculous.
by Ram_Redemption on Oct 16, 2011 9:27 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Lloyd
I am not a fan nor do I want Lloyd. I will sum it up. Some are so desperate to have a WR the ONE good season he had last year is clouding judgement. He is NOT a number 1 and needs time to get open just like the guys we have. Until the OL plays better who knows what we have at WR. Last year Orton was sacked only 34 times thats just over 2 times a game. This offense has to have protection up front for it to be effective. If Sam wold have had plenty of time this year and our WR couldn’t get it done sure try something but that’s not the case. Funny how fast MSW was the saving grace even turned into Skywalker and now he is a bum. I do think the WR we have are capable but the OL HAS to step up. Don’t shoot just yet because yes we still need a go to #1 but that is not Lloyd.
agreed
Oline play dictates WR production but because receiever is the “glamour possision”, we r all obssessed with wide receivers while same continues to play russiam roulette with every dropback
by Ram_Redemption on Oct 16, 2011 9:30 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Good points BUT
… I would get Lloyd AND still draft a #1 WR in the first round. We need a #2 that can catch. I only see people dropping footballs when I watch our Rams…
by abiRam on Oct 16, 2011 10:33 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
VT is here
Just had alot of things going on, on many levels… but I is here :-)
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Saving yourself for the game chat today huh?
Yep you need all the rest you got for this one,,..!!! LOL….. Is it to early to start drinking yet?
After the Tigers loss, and the Pack vs Rams today...
I could be hitting the sauce before 1:30 pm est
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Mathis upgrade, maybe -- Lloyd definitely
I just checked Pro Football Focus—they rate all players on every play. Mathis is ranked fifth among all Jacksonville cornerbacks. He shows poor coverage skills, but better than Justin King. King is rated as the 149th best CB on coverage. That’s dead last! Mathis is rated at 140. If you want a positive, Mathis ranks ninth against the run while King still remains last at 149. Mathis is not going to save the Rams season, but King could destroy it.
Lloyd? He is ranked as the 13th best WR. DX comes in at 42 with Sims-Walker at 149. Lloyd could help, especially if Clayton comes back ready to play. Last thing you all should know. PFF has Lloyd at NUMBER ONE in 2010.
That's a good stat showing, cause it takes more complex issues into account
I think Mathis is definitely past his prime. Lloyd is the only one who I think the Rams are seriously going after
by King Sam Rules! on Oct 16, 2011 9:28 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
for anyone who cares
there’s a mock trade deadline thread over on mocking the draft and I got us Steve Smith from the Eagles for Craig Dahl, and Lloyd from the Broncos for 4th and 6th round picks. Do you guys think these are good trades?
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Dahl for Steve Smith = YES
I think you gave up too much for Lloyd seeing as we would still enter the draft in need of a #1 and a pile of other needs.
by Will not be defeated on Oct 16, 2011 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions
yeah
I can see your point on Lloyd, but pairing him with Smith and whatever receiver we draft next year was too good to pass up
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Your signature
*proud
;)
My thoughts...
1. Rams need legitimate receiver[s].
2. It annoys the hell out of me when I see Spags clapping after bad plays.
3. Billy Bajema and Justin King need to get the boot.
4. Hoom is injury prone. Hist talent means nothing if he's not on the field. Needs to be replaced.
More to come...
I swear it used to say proud
I have no idea when that happened haha thanks for pointing that out
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by Josh Wehrle on Oct 16, 2011 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions
Also...
I am clearly not RamintheUK because he got banned… I may support the exact same teams and have the exact same IP address, but I am his father, son, brother, cousin or something… but defo not the same person ;)
I’ll see you at MTD for the mock drafts too.
by Will not be defeated on Oct 16, 2011 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions
wait
Why did “he” get banned?
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by Josh Wehrle on Oct 16, 2011 12:00 PM CDT via iPhone app up reply actions
'He' was trying to advertise the MTD live mock draft
on SB Nation sites that did not have a rep, by putting up fan shots. He put two up and then got notified of spamming… and it told to wait a few moments before retrying. I guess there was a difference of opinion in what waiting a ‘few moments’ amounted to.
End result, he was banned for ‘repeated throttle violations’ and SB Nation does not reply to attemtps to explain the situation.
by Will not be defeated on Oct 16, 2011 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions
that seems like total bullshit
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He was not happy about it
let me assure you
by Will not be defeated on Oct 16, 2011 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions

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