NFL Draft notes - college football open thread
by 3k on Oct 13, 2011 7:43 PM CDT
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PrintWe kicked off the college Thursday schedule with a CB big board comparison between buckeyefan55 and myself. And in case you missed it, our first big board comp was wide receivers. We're working on the next installment, but we'll need your help.
For today's open threads and the weekend threads, I'll throw out a poll on which position you guys want for the next big board. We've isolated it to five positions: RB, OT, DT, OLB and FS. All y'all gotta do is tell is which one you want, and we'll serve it up with a side of corned beef hash and some OJ. Yes, our big boards are, in fact, a Grand Slam breakfast that I've just jammed into my DVD drive. Don't ask me how it works.
In any case, tonight's another Pac-12 night, and as I'm sure many of the LA-based TSTers are aware, it's USC-Cal. If they're not somewhere half-sober (or less), I implore you to jump on the thread.
Here's the watchlist for this week; right now, it takes us through the first round on Saturday. I'm hoping to add two more to the list by the time College Gameday ends (speaking of Gameday, this is arguably the greatest Tumblr account ever).
For the Rams, two of my favorite options from USC are OT Matt Kalil and FS T.J. McDonald. I had McDonald as the Rams' first round pick in my only 2012 mock draft thus far, and I had Kalil going 4th overall. He's my favorite tackle prospect in a decent while. And before you go all crazy about WR Robert Woods, bear in mind he's a true sophomore, so he (and S. Carolina Marcus Lattimore) go in the "wait until the 2013 draft" bin. Also in that bin is Cal's Keenan Allen. You could certainly make the case that Allen's the better prospect. I won't do it now, but be prepared for it 12 months from now.
So keep it here all night for USC-Cal and drop off any thoughts on the draft throughout the night. Holler.
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ok my rams brothers i have a question for you all...
was there ever an n.f.l. team in there storied history’s (if they had one!)…to ever go into a draft, with particuliar needs in mind…im talking…OG, DT,CB,OLB,back up RB, WR, S,….and come out of the draft, all 7 rds, with not ONE of those needs filled?! has there?
then, release your draft picks right after? i mean really? hines, nelson, who else? and the needs you did try to fill via supplemental draft…and again you dont sign no one? this is unreal to me, can someone pls explain? how do you go into a draft, with a draft board mind you, and come out of it with a DE, TE, 2 WR’S, then nothing but trash from the 4th round till the end? smh….im really scared for 2012!
Mark, I don't know why you think this is the thread to repeat your line
for the billionth time, so let’s finish it here.
- Who said CB was a huge need when we had Bartell, Fletcher and Murphy healthy? That’s stupid.
- They signed two WRs. If you say WR was a need and they needed to fill it through the draft, I would think two draft picks checks that box.
- And despite your insistence to ignore it, the FO did address those needs through free agency. G, DT, OLB, b/u RB, S all were focused signings from the FO.
- what supplemental draft attempt are you talking about?
- about 24 teams from around the league got trash from the 4th round on. That’s the nature of the draft.
So let’s be blunt. You didn’t like this draft. I get it. You’ve said a couple hundred times. But the Rams weren’t the only team in the league to have mid and late round failures. Is it an excuse? No. But have some perspective.
If you’re expecting the front office to fill every single position with Pro Bowl-caliber players in a single offseason, play Madden. You’ll find more satisfaction.
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by 3k on Oct 13, 2011 7:51 PM CDT up reply actions
and just to add some evidence to back up the CB issue
So can we just put this to bed now? You’ve got to have something else more constructive to say. And by constructive, I don’t necessarily mean positive. But to beat the same drum every single day for the last three weeks leaves some question as to if you have anything else to add.
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by 3k on Oct 13, 2011 7:58 PM CDT up reply actions
nah, if you have a response, post it
but to just repeat stuff ad nauseam without backing it up with some kind of concrete content rings hollow. I’m not deriding your opinion. I’m deriding the constant reiteration of your opinion without any documentation
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by 3k on Oct 13, 2011 9:08 PM CDT up reply actions
i got ya...
if anything i do tend to go off topic and rant, so if you feel the need to delete my post? by all means do it. you wont hurt my feelings trust me 3k. lol
by Mark Jaramillo on Oct 13, 2011 9:10 PM CDT up reply actions
nah, no deletion
it wasn’t personal against anybody. I’m pretty damn tolerant on allowing people to say whatever they want as long as they don’t attack or provoke anyone, and that certainly wasn’t the case with your comment. But I just wonder what it is the FO could have done to have satisfied you.
Is it that they didn’t draft someone specific or grab someone specific in the draft you wanted?
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by 3k on Oct 13, 2011 9:12 PM CDT up reply actions
YES!
but i already posted it a hundred times 3k! lmao! jk…but really when i saw all those good DT’S, on the board, and this was the one yr where they were at a premium, all those dt’s, and not one was taken 3k, and i was PISSED for the rest of the season. lol. i took it personal lol. austin, j.j. watt, wilkerson, luiget, taylor, etc. and most are playing well. i promise ill stop 3k! lol
by Mark Jaramillo on Oct 13, 2011 9:17 PM CDT up reply actions
what makes you say
that Marvin Austin or Corey Liuget are playing well?
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by 3k on Oct 13, 2011 9:20 PM CDT up reply actions
well i know austins out for the season...
but luiget, from the gms ive seen looks really good. so does watts, from the texans. are you really high on bannen?
by Mark Jaramillo on Oct 13, 2011 9:22 PM CDT up reply actions
no, but given the options
he was an upgrade. I would have been fine with Austin, but I wasn’t really that high on the others. Liuget in the right system can work; I’m not sure San Diego is the right fit for him (i.e. Glenn Dorsey)
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by 3k on Oct 13, 2011 9:25 PM CDT up reply actions
he seemed to fill the gaps, really quick...
even for being double teamed. hes going to be a keeper! byw 3k, you just said something that caught my eye…the chiefs are wasting dorsey at de, in kc, you think he might be a pretty good dt in a 4-3? did he play that at LSU? or was it a 3-4? i wouldnt mind him donning the horns!
by Mark Jaramillo on Oct 13, 2011 9:32 PM CDT up reply actions
I WOULD LOVE DORSEY TO THE RAMS
TBH, I wanted him over Chris Long, but that’s an outdated wish. And yes, he was in the 4-3 as the 3-tech at LSU. He’d instantly be the best DT we’ve had in a long, long, long time
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by 3k on Oct 13, 2011 9:49 PM CDT up reply actions
I bet KC would be open to trading him
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and I'll give you the other three
because they’re at least playing. But they’re entirely different prospects
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by 3k on Oct 13, 2011 9:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Well that's one way to start
where are all the TST USC fans? I missed the first drive watching some animal show on National Geographic or something. The little lady has a thing for animals.
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just started watching
what did I miss?
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early fumble from Cal
USC silly fake in red zone, Cal stalled out, now USC stalling.
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by 3k on Oct 13, 2011 8:20 PM CDT up reply actions
also
Kalil is so much better than anyone else on the USC line, it doesn’t make him look better – it makes them look worse
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by 3k on Oct 13, 2011 8:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Kalil is phenomonal
I’m not sure if I would pick him or Jeffery if given the choice between the two
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I would probably choose Kalil
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tough to say
Kalil is a surer bet, IMO. I really think he’s a franchise LT. Depends on the team and the level of need. For us? Man, that’s really, really hard.
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by 3k on Oct 13, 2011 8:23 PM CDT up reply actions
I think Kalil because he plays a more important position, I think he is the better overall prospect, and WR is really deep this year
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he's the better prospect, IMO, by far
but I think need has to play a part as well in those three factors you mentioned
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by 3k on Oct 13, 2011 8:27 PM CDT up reply actions
agreed
but if Bradford keeps getting sacked like this then we are going to need an OT
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can't disagree
just a matter of when. Is 1st round 2012 NFL Draft too early?
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by 3k on Oct 13, 2011 8:36 PM CDT up reply actions
I think it depends on how Saffold performs the rest of the season
if he keeps playing like he has been, then no it’s not. If he plays like last season I might feel more inclined to take Jeffery, but if the draft were held tomorrow I would take Kalil and then focus on playmakers the rest of the draft
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I think you gotta go KALIL
KALIL is one of the better T prospects of the decade, while Jefferey would have been the 3rd receiver in last years draft. I’ll take the transcendently good player (like Suh and Megatron) who fills a lesser need over the just good player who fills a bigger need. Btw, ship out Smith, move Saffold to RT, and boom, our line just got a lot better
by King Sam Rules! on Oct 13, 2011 8:50 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
that's a coherent argument
I am tempted to delete it. TEBOW!
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by 3k on Oct 13, 2011 8:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Are you implying I don't usually have coherent arguments?
by King Sam Rules! on Oct 13, 2011 8:54 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
no
I’m implying the internet doesn’t usually have coherent arguments. Nothing personal. Also…TEEEEBOOOOOWWW!
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by 3k on Oct 13, 2011 9:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Hahah that piece was funny.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
"Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
by douchiedude on Oct 13, 2011 11:05 PM CDT up reply actions
NO!
why picture no post?
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Because you aren't supposed to worship images of Jesus
And as ESPN makes sure you know: Tebow is Jesus
by King Sam Rules! on Oct 13, 2011 9:03 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
tebow is the anti-christ!
the world is going to end lol
by Mark Jaramillo on Oct 13, 2011 9:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Well.......
Now that I look at the signs that Revelations say will reveal the Anti-Christ
by King Sam Rules! on Oct 13, 2011 9:06 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
exactly!!
i wonder if tims middle name isnt damien? lol
by Mark Jaramillo on Oct 13, 2011 9:09 PM CDT up reply actions
NO
IT’S RICHARD, AS IN KING RICHARD. TEBOW IS A WINNER! HE WORKS HARD! HE SAYS THE RIGHT THINGS!
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by 3k on Oct 13, 2011 9:10 PM CDT up reply actions
but most importantly,
he’s white
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And has no personallity besides being godly
And making us all look bad
by King Sam Rules! on Oct 13, 2011 9:12 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
what did he say king?
…’im sure there was nobody in the country today that worked harder than me…im sure there was none in the country that has more heart than me…" blah, blah…BLAH!!
by Mark Jaramillo on Oct 13, 2011 9:13 PM CDT up reply actions
He's so annoying
As an OU fan, after we lost to tebow in the title game, I was just like “Espn is gonna say we lost cause God chose his only son over us”
by King Sam Rules! on Oct 13, 2011 9:18 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
THE PROMISE
NO ONE MAKES A PROMISE LIKE TEBOW! HE KNEW HE COULD DELIVER! HE’S A WINNER!
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by 3k on Oct 13, 2011 9:23 PM CDT up reply actions
i just love how the entire nation grabbed at there hearts...
and all let out a collective…“AAAAAAW”…when the entire nation saw tim “the apostle” tebow crying on the sidelines, with one of his teamaes trying to console him! UUUUUGH! REALLY!??
by Mark Jaramillo on Oct 13, 2011 9:28 PM CDT up reply actions
just wait
the Tebow narrative has plenty left to be written
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by 3k on Oct 13, 2011 9:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah,
tell me about it. Kalil is light years ahead of them.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
"Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
by douchiedude on Oct 13, 2011 11:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Cal's tried to get Keenan Allen going
but holy hell is Maynard not ready for college football…
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by 3k on Oct 13, 2011 8:22 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah Maynard looks horrible
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Probably going to downgrade USC RB Marc Tyler
to a UDFA after this game. He just doesn’t have anything NFL-needed besides size
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Yeah,
he’s regressed completely from last season.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
"Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
by douchiedude on Oct 13, 2011 11:02 PM CDT up reply actions
I would definitely try to pry Lloyd away from the Broncos for a 4th round pick
and still draft a receiver in the in the early rounds
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Yes,
I was thinking the same thing.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
"Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
by douchiedude on Oct 13, 2011 11:01 PM CDT up reply actions
also
Matt Kalil vs. Dan Camporeale is silly. Give me some better scouting, Cal. And man, Cal’s offense is tough to watch.
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I like scouting defense
The problem is, neither of these are good defenses.
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by 3k on Oct 13, 2011 9:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Hahahaha
the truth hurts…
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
"Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
by douchiedude on Oct 13, 2011 10:57 PM CDT up reply actions
USC's defense is awful,
USC’s offense is awful when Lane Kiffin goes into a shell (i.e. Shurmur). Today is one of those days… I don’t think I’ve seen more than two throws over the middle, don’t know what the hell Kiffin is doing.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
"Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
by douchiedude on Oct 13, 2011 10:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Damn has saffold really gotten that bad.
2 men enter 1 man leaves. THOSE ARE THE RULES OF THUNDER DOME!
BTW
Rod Gilmore talking about Hawaii-San Jose St. tomorrow…it’s on the watchlist! Probably won’t watch or post open thread…
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another BTW
I went to see this game (USC-Cal) back in 2000-ish time frame with my dad so I could see this freshman QB USC had. There was a ridiculous Greek RB/FB who went off (and someone filled me on the name, but I’ve since forgotten – apologies), and it was a great contest that lasted like 4 hours or so.
The big reason I wanted to go? A freshman QB named Carson Palmer. Awesome experience, great scouting, and I knew Palmer had an NFL-level game after watching him come in. Yay college football memories.
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Haha I was gonna say Palmer!
I think the guy you’re thinking of is Petros Papadakis?
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
"Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
by douchiedude on Oct 13, 2011 10:56 PM CDT up reply actions
yup
thanks douchie and Mark. And yes, I will forget that name again, but I’ll always remember how Greek his name was.
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by 3k on Oct 14, 2011 8:04 AM CDT up reply actions
was it petros papadakis 3k?
aka..the P!
by Mark Jaramillo on Oct 13, 2011 10:44 PM CDT reply actions
um hello douchie! i just said that!! lmao! jk man. im pretty sure were right.
by Mark Jaramillo on Oct 13, 2011 10:57 PM CDT up reply actions
I saw your comment after lol,
reply under his comment dawg.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
"Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
by douchiedude on Oct 13, 2011 10:59 PM CDT up reply actions
im just givin ya hell brother lol. im sure were right on his question.
by Mark Jaramillo on Oct 13, 2011 11:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah I just wiki'd him,
he’s Greek and was a frosh in 2000, can’t get any more spot on than that hahah.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
"Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
by douchiedude on Oct 13, 2011 11:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Fucking Christ,
quit missing Woods, Barkley….
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
"Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
This game has been better in almost every other year than this year
Both teams on the decline, although USCs is sanction affected. I think Tedfords time has gone in Berkeley
Wolf. Wolfgang Wolf
You know what? I don't want Kalil in the first
We gotta go WR, after trading Luck for extra picks that is.
Wolf. Wolfgang Wolf
If we got extra picks,
I’m down to take Kalil and a receiver in the high second since we’d have a second one.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
"Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
by douchiedude on Oct 13, 2011 11:08 PM CDT up reply actions
from small sample of tape
Dwight Jones is the one to look at in late 1st, early 2nd.
I’d love to see us move back in a position to get him and a CB.
http://brotherspork.wordpress.com/
Fight Onnnn, for ol' SC!
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
"Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
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