Sunday Morning Bloody Mary: Logan Mankins done in NE?
One of the most surprising things about the St. Louis Rams offense this season was just how much the unit struggled running between the tackles. Last year, even as the worst offense in the league, the Rams could be counted on to have an exciting running game, mostly because of Steven Jackson, but also because they had a strong interior offensive line.
This year, however, the unit struggled and runs up the middle, where they ran 60 percent of all carries, attained just 3.63 adjusted line yards, ranked 27th in the league, according to Football Outsiders' stats. Last year's stats weren't much better thanks to injuries and knuckleheaded RG Richie Incognito who was sent packing before the season's end.
Adam Goldberg, usually a backup offensive tackle, served admirably in the right guard spot this year. Despite his noble efforts, the Rams just couldn't get the running lanes they needed, not to mention occasional struggles in pass protection as stronger and faster defensive tackles found favorable matchups in the middle. Beefing up the right guard spot is one of the Rams top offseason priorities.
Scheduled for unrestricted free agency, New England's Logan Mankins figures to be one of the premier names on the market, even in a buyer's market and with the usual caveat about whether or not a CBA happens. It looks like Mankins will not be back with the Patriots in 2011. Maybe.
With few outstanding free agents on the roster, they could choose to franchise Mankins. Even with the murky CBA situation, teams can start using franchise tags in February. Of course, Mankins held out in 2010, returning only so that he could qualify for free agency. So even if he gets hit with the franchise tag, he could hold out and demand a trade.
At just 28 and with guards now getting free agent tackle money, Mankins would be another expensive addition to the Rams offensive line, one that already features two pricey free agents (Jacob Bell and Jason Brown), a first round pick (Jason Smith) and, ironically enough the cheapest of the bunch, a second round pick at left tackle (Rodger Saffold). Spending big free agent money on a guard seems unlikely with so many other needs, like receiver, that could command financial resources. Besides, there are guards available in the draft and likely upgrades available in the second tier of free agency. It's one of those positions where diligent front offices can find value without necessarily dropping big bucks. Another thing to consider is that with some offensive weapons at wide receiver, the Rams offense will automatically open up more of the field.
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Ain't goin' nowhere with Goldberg starting. The core of a team is the O-Line. Can't run or pass without a good one.
Couldn't say it any better than that.
You need the offensive line before anything else. We saw what happened to Steven Jackson when the O-line sucked this year. Not even the best players get do much without the line. If we get Mankins, we’ll have a really good guard, a decent center, a couple of good and improving tackles, and an average guard in Bell. If we could just get Mankins to replace Goldberg, everything would be instantly better. We could look for a replacement for Bell somewhere else, but I’d be happy with just adding Mankins.
But it was the Rams coaches and FO
that continued to draft a player at a certain position – only to make the player play out of position.
I agree that Goldberg ain’t no GUARD, but he is a good back-up OT and plays well when called upon at the tackle spot.
Rams wee trying to bandaid a position last year.
EXCPECT A COUPLE OG’S THIS DRAFT – BELIEVE IT.
Not sayin' that Rams drafted Goldberg
sayin’ that by draft, trade, FA, they play players outta position.
i think we should get him, but not break our backs
i’d like to see us develop one from the draft underneath him and have our own Jahri Evans.
Bradford to Onobun!
also, he's a LG. we have high priced Bell who should get another season to prove his worth
and I don’t know how either Mankins or Bell would feel moving to RG?
Bradford to Onobun!
With these qualifications:
one that already features two pricey free agents (Jacob Bell and Jason Brown), a first round pick (Jason Smith) and, ironically enough the cheapest of the bunch, a second round pick at left tackle (Rodger Saffold).
I wouldn’t think we would need anything more than a capable guard to have an awesome line. Its time for these guys to step up and prove their pay or draft status.
Even if its just chemistry,
something needs to change. Maybe all these players are really good and just don’t work well together. Change it up. Now would be a good time with all the free agents.
2010 revolved around Bradford.
Its the reasons our Offense was the way it was. The dink and dunks. The emphasis on pass blocking opposed to run blocking.
I’m not saying we couldn’t stand an upgrade at OG. But I don’t believe we don’t have to spend a fortune doing it.
If we’re not careful, over paying players is going to turn out to be our downfall. Smith and Bell are good players that most would agree are over paid.
Youre high, smith is still an ascending player who apart from a few penalties he improved this year. bell on the other hand is worth about as much as a velvet painting of a dolphin and a whale getting it on. which is nothing. mankins would go nice between saffold and brown, not right guard, and really help them improve too. you can get sam as many great recievers as you want but he wont hit any of them if hes on his back the hole time or theyre double covered cause our run game sucks.
haha i guess but what i mean is that bell is basicly on the field cause we have to have 11 on the field, apart from that he does nothing, and against denver i saw theyre 5-11 240 pound linebacker run through goldberg like he was not even there, im surprised spags dont loose it like singletary. thats just weak.
Smith is over paid
He’s a 2nd overall pick drafted to be our Left Tackle. Do you think if he was picked later or even just as an OT he’d be paid as much?
Yes he’s ascending. Lets hope he ascends to the expectations we drafted him for. Because if we keep over paying for players, we’re going to be in trouble. Which was the basic context of the post.
by ZamRam on Jan 30, 2011 4:42 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I'm glad I inspired you vanram :)
http://www.turfshowtimes.com/2011/1/29/1963021/mankins-thinks-hes-done-with-patriots
If it doesn't matter who wins or loses, then why do they keep score?
Bell
Of course the addition of Madkins would instantly upgrade our above-average, but young and improving O-line. But whoever we bring in to replace Goldberg it is time for the Rams FA to approach Bell and his agent and request that the remaining years on his contract be re-negotiated for the good of the team.
Bell has NOT played up to the amount of money the Rams have shelled out for him. If he wants to stay on the team, be part of their growth and help them out he will consider their request……or adios!
GO RAMS !!!
Carl Nicks?
Nicks also made the pro bowl this season and would almost certainly be cheaper, if not FAR cheaper, than Mankins, thereby freeing up more money for another big free agent signing.

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