Housh to Rams Scuttlebutt
by Jmkramer on Sep 3, 2010 12:48 PM CDT
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What's the word? Any whispers of the Rams trading for House and his 7 Million $ salary? Any indication of what we'd have to give up? It certainly would be much cheaper than Vincent Jackson, though obviously Housh is less of a #1 than Jackson. Housh might be motivated to prove himself with a team in the same division. As far as I can see, he's still got 4 years and about 28-30 million left on his contract (please check that).
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If that truly is his salary, that’s not worth it. He was overpaid when he left Cincy and hasn’t produced the same since. He’s more of a classic slot guy anyway. I can advocate for a veteren presence to help our young WR’s, but at a comensurate price tag.
Housh is another in a recent trend of Seattle overpaying for recieving talent (a la Deion Branch)
I love keeping Housh on Seattle
Here‘s his contract details. I hope he plays out his contract in Seattle in the same role as he’s held since day 1. Golden Tate might help, but he’s the kind of #1 Bartell can cover. Now Fitzgerald or Crabtree is something to worry about…
You don't seem to want to accept the fact you're dealing with an expert in guerrilla warfare, with a man who's the best, with guns, with knives, with his bare hands. A man who's been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat puke. In *St. Louis* his job was to dispose of enemy personnel. To kill! Period! Win by attrition. Well, *Steven Jackson* was the best.
From what I understand...
They “have” to trade Housh and get rid of that contract before they can make a real move for Vincent Jackson. I’d be very nervous if they end up finding a trading partner.
I’m with you 3k. Keep him in Seattle!
Yikes, not a fan of that contract
Seattle is smart to try to trade him now I guess, as it’ll be harder to trade him as his salary creeps up. I bet they end up just cutting him after the season if they don’t trade him soon.
also like 33 years old
loud fart noise
If you love something, set it free. If it doesn't come back, find it and kill it.
No way
We’d only be reducing the Seahawks wage bill to make it easier for them to obtain Vincent Jackson. Lets not help them get better.
Anyway, if Patrick Crayton is only worth a 7th rounder, bearing in mind he is a currently better player and costs only 28% of the salary, Housh has no value at all with his ridiculous contract.
Lets just laugh at another Seahawks fiasco.
Well...he may be getting released
according to sources (cause no one is going to trade and pick up his tab IMO).
So if the Rams were interested – they could sign him for whatever he would agree to (and still get paid by Seattle).
I should be working right now...
HOUSH TO BE RELEASED
I say pick him up. Not only because he is a veteran WR and we lack depth at the position, but because he explicitly knows the new system which Pete Carroll has installed in Seattle. It sounds sneaky and unethical but it actually happens quite a bit in the NFL, especially in the NFC East. I haven’t ever really been a tremendous fan of his but if it can help us, why not?
Veteran Minimum Deal? Hell Yes.
$850 k , with Seattle picking up the rest of the Bill this year. We’d get a (hopefully) fired up player looking to get himself one last good contract. Unless he’s clubhouse cancer, I don’t see how we could go wrong, even paying him up to $1.5 Mill.
He's over the hill as his last year showed.
Cincy got rid of him at exactly the right time. Why do we keep seeing these posts saying we should pick up guys who have no value simply because of their name and past accomplishments? Three years ago he was a good receiver. Now he’s not. Forget it.
If we get him at a minimum cost
and he can provide some veteran leadership to our younger guys, I don’t that destroying the Rams WR Corps. There’s been lots of talk of the need for a solid Vet, and House could do that and leave the Flash to Gilyard, Amendola, etc.
didn't he have 900 and something yards last year
I guess it’s all about what your definition is of washed up but for vet minimum salary that would be enough for me.
Sign up Whose-your-mama NOW
With the WR corps dangerously thin as it is, a veteran setting the tone reguardless of how much he has left in the tank is a good thing. He has never been the kind of locker room distraction that other vets have been. Quality receiver at bargain basement price
we need it to happen
but we are always late at getting someone to sign with us name the last good free agent the Rams sign are GM sucks we cant sign no one!!!!!
you have every right to your opinion
and i do agree that we have not been successful YET at a good free agent signing but IMO Devaney has been spectacular with his drafts…. i definately don’t think he sucks
Define good
because I am very happy with Jason Brown and the last two drafts.
what has gibson
done in a real game and spag doesnt even talk about gibson replacing Avery so what does that tell you what happen with j brown last year? GMs only get graded on draft picks/
and your talking about a kicker
the most exciting and best thing he has done was picking up a kicker! Wow
uh no.... we are talking about center Jason Brown and defensive Gary Gibson
might want to make sure you know what the hell YOU are talking about next time
ok your right
but these players are not factor players and you didnt post ther full name so jason Brown and gary Gibson where the big pick up moves! Wow the Rams are going to the Super Bowl lol
actually they dont have to be big names to be smart moves
both transactions were very successful. Jason Brown has been a very good anchor for our young oline and a very good center at that. Gibson was gotten at a very reasonable price and has been really good so far in preseason at creating pressure and running over guys….. that is what i consider valuable…. and yes both transactions have helped progress this team to more wins and no one transaction with one player takes you to the superbowl…. it takes a team
Jason Brown is a really good player
He could be a pro bowler in the near future.
Shurmur, your career is in 3rd and long. Don't run a draw.
Onobun > Gates
there ok pick ups
But for a Team that won one game last year a Pro Bowler wouldnt hurt to have on the team and They havent picked up any!
you gotta understand
there aren’t many probowlers that hit free agency first off (unless it’s at the end of their career and they’ve lost a step or they are asking for too much money) and secondly when they do hit the market they don’t want to go to a team that went 1-15 last year. They look for a winning team to prolong their success. We have to build through a draft and make ourselves respectable again or hit the jackpot with players who haven’t broke out yet to gain respectability again. Then, and only then, do probowlers want to play for us
But is it better to get a past Pro Bowler
or a future one?
Jason Brown is damn good, and might well get to a Pro Bowl in future. Just like many other of the players signed by BD.
if you win one game
for the season Im pretty sure anybody that comes in will be better than the guy that was there before lol
Money Talks
if they would stop being cheap your going to have to give to recieve if the Detroit Loins can get Free Agents The Rams can after not winning a game two seasons ago look at all the picks ups they got it can be done!
they picked
up Larry Fote Nate Buleston Vanden Bosh and some other guys I dont agree with the pick ups but they did pick them up and I know Larry Fote went back to the Steelers but it can be done!
enlighten me
which year did any of those three go to the pro bowl?
but they are respected
players that have a history of sucess unlike Brown and Gibson
lol
yeah…. Brown sucks ….. you’re right…. Gibson has no track record of winning in his career ….. absolutely…. and you just undid your whole argument of pro bowlers to top it off….. wow buddy…. you are a football guru
Kyle Vanden Bosch went to the Pro Bowl in 2007
At least know your own argument.
Brown's not respected?
You make him sound like an undrafted free agent. He signed a 5 years/ $37.5 million contract. Btw, there’s this thing below every comment called a reply button.
Shurmur, your career is in 3rd and long. Don't run a draw.
Onobun > Gates
if they did a espn poll
and asked America if Brown and Gibson are going to have a good year for the Rams 95% of the people would even know who they where Im not saying those are ok pickups but there not significant enough to really compete!
lmao
I had to look up a couple you mentioned too….. that is just how it is unless you are a pro bowler who is on highlight reals on every week most normal people wont know the players on teams other than the teams they watch. If you asked Football players or journalist if Jason Brown or Gary Gibson would have a good year…. guarantee 95% of them would know who they were… and not think they were a kicker and wr
just speaking the facts dude
there where one game from being 0-16 and the team that they beat didnt when a game the year before that so ok picks are not going to get you the division! You keep saying that about there names but you just sayed there last names they have other people on that team with the same last names!
listen
your on every post here trying to rile feathers and I am just pointing out the fact that you have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about when it comes to this team…. you called all rams fans stupid on another post yet you are in the midst of getting schooled by one of those fans and a female one at that…. your trying to say they have to be pro bowlers to be successful signings then you give three named examples of non probowlers to argue your objective… you say Brown and Gibson suck but you can’t look at there productivity to proove your point…. who is stupid now
Picks ARE going to get you to the division, though
and Conference. And Superbowl.
And they will allow you to build with smaller salary structures since a 4th-5th-6th rounder who develops is more cost effective than a Free Agent.
And picks mean young players, who can then be on your team for longer.
Everyone knows building a great team takes a couple of good draft years. Oops, almost everyone.
Signing big name+big contract FA’s has it’s place. It’s a good way to get over the top….it’s what you do when you’re already close….when you want to go from 7 wins to 10…..or form the Wildcard to the Superbowl…….but it’s not a way to go from 1 win to 11.
Your funny when did I call the Rams fans stupid?
and once again i have to correct you I never said that Brown and Gibson suck there just not that good there ok but they wont be big factors Preseason is not the Regular season!
actually you are right
that was some guy named Dub Gd or something and your post “Don’t expect them to make any moves…lol” was right under it. See…. when I am wrong, I admit it. And to tell you the truth I probably wouldn’t have been as mean to you if I didn’t think you had called us all “too stupid” but I still would have nicely told you your argument about no good free agent signing was wrong and illogical. Devaney isn’t god…. he can’t part the sea’s and give us 53 probowlers. What he can do is make smart transactions like Brown and Gibson (who has a very successful track record if you look it up) and Vets who add stability and presence to a young team with alot of potential. Are either Brown or Gibson probowlers (yet)…. no. Is Brown on his way to possibly being…yes…. along with Laurianatis (who should have gotten rookie of the year last year) Bradford who is starting for us now and has all the potential in the world….Saffold who is doing excellant as a rookie…. it takes all types of transactions to make a team playoff potential. SJ IS a probowler and we still went 1-15 last year which shows you that buying a probowler doesn’t solve the problem.
let me say this
if Vanden Bosh went to the Rams he would start and he is a former Pro bowler!
if Larry Fote went to the Rams he would start and he wasnt a pro bowler but he has a Super bowl ring has anyone on the Rams been to the playoffs besides Steven Jackson?
And Nate really not that good but he probably has more recieving yards than Burton, Robinson and Gibson put together so that lets you know the status of are recieving core!
So really who’s stupid!
that doesn't change the fact
that your argument was that Brown and Gibson weren’t pro bowlers therefore weren’t good transactions. Then when I explained why we couldn’t attract alot of probowlers right now you used three players (only 1 a probowler) too proove to me we could get probowlers….. then you went back and said well gibson and brown are “ok”…. when they are actually very good- to excellant transactions…. so yeah… i think your argument looks stupid
Young Teams dont when super bowls it takes a mixture
of youth and experence all Im saying is you have a Young Great Quaterback get him some veteran help!
i totally agree with this point
but not with Devaney sucks…. period
Ok i should of sayed
Pro Bowlers Winners and Super bowl calaber player is that better
then which one would you rather have
Laurianatis ( a young drafted player that is on his way up) or lets say…..Vanden Bosh… who is very very good but is he worth the draft pick it would take a team like us to get him…. Devaney is doing a good job weighing risk and reward. Would I love to have a veteran #1 WR for Bradford to throw to…. hell yeah. Is it worth lets say 2 second rounders and 30 million…. no….. when I think 2nd rounders I think Laurianatis and Saffold…. everything is risk reward…. we would all love for bradford to have a ton of probowlers (or superbowlers) around him but Devaney walked into a completely destroyed team last year and has actually done a pretty impressive job picking up the crumbled pieces and moving on….. he has sprinkled in veterans that he can pick up but only if it is smart…. it’s a delicate balance…. now if some probowler comes available for a reasonable price then we would all say he is a dumbass not to do it…. but where has that happened. Everyone he’s passed on there has been a valid arguement for and non of them were superbowl quality…. VJax… well that was a situation where their orginization just wanted too much for him…. now they don’t have him playing and they don’t have ANYTHING to show for the loss. That isn’t Devaney’s fault…. that is theres
I'd have said
Pro Bowl caliber players and Super Bowl winners, but I’m being picky now and probably being mean to a kid.
Overall, I understand your point; we all want better players on the team as we have all had enough of losing. But we will achieve sustained success if we follow the long path that BD has set us on as Coach explained above. We’ll get there, and then these consecutive losing seasons will become long forgotten.
He needs to make move
thou first he got me all excited with TO then it was westbrooke then it was ward then its V. Jaskson then its TJ man hurry up and make a move hold you nutts
right now they are thumbing threw about 700 cut players
looking for diamonds in the ruff that they can pick up to fill some of the holes and depth issues…. after that is done they will make some moves. Be patient….. last year at this time we had a completely different team… they literally had to completely slice out 20??? or more over paid under producing players. That is alot of holes to fill
Detroit
sign him as a free agent so they didnt give up anything to get him but my point is they made an attempt to get better
when
I sayed winners I meant players that have won where they where at and that are good players not just super bowl winners so thats why i seperated the two
You are right they
are going threw the wavier wire just like all the Teams in the NFL but there still has been no real impact move!
you seriously need to learn how to use the "reply" option
when you make comments
I should be working right now...
you never know
now WR is still probably going to be left as it is (i know that will really freak you out) but there just isn’t anyone out there really good that’s availabel (House is more of an inside route style not #1) but I bet we make a move at backup RB and hopefully at offensive tackle because we have NO depth there
i hope
because if S Jackson gets hurt the season is over
now that is the absolute truth!!!
And with the tackle position we have 1 backup… who i have never heard of…lol…but he is huge…. but still I would feel alot better if we signed someone else there asap
What do u think
about Lagerret Blount he just got cut buy the titians
hmm
i don’t know…. i think he would have a “4 pillar” issue so he is probably a no go but i am biased. I really want Jouquie (spelling) Bell. He is a rookie from the bills who super impressed but they are so stacked they cut him and put him on PS. Other than those two the pickings are pretty slim… the rest are on there way down.
at least
if we had him if we lost the game would win the fight lol
We already got rid of Richie Incognito,
the walking personal foul. Do you really want to add his clone so we can start picking up all the personal fouls again. I guess you really enjoy seeing them called on the Rams.
if he could
controll himself he could be a good back up he is a real physical back and Richie had a pretty good year for miami!
Nobody drafted him
and the team that picked him up as a free agent has now released him. During camp he punched a teammate in the head. Given all that, why do you think the Rams should sign him? Just because he was a decent running back as a junior in college?
He has more
talent then Dardy ant that other RB
He'd never see the field over Darby
not this year anyway. the blitz pickups would not be there until next preseason, earliest.
Rookies have a hard time with that in general, he missed the entire Rams training camp and pre-, and Darby has a year and a half hard start on assignments. I know he’s not exciting but you can’t just replace him with someone basically off the street like that.
We sign him because...
he’s a beast. He’s 6 foot, 240 lbs. ‘Decent’ isnt how I would describe his record-setting Junior season at Oregon. Maybe he does have a short fuse, but pair him with Stephen Jackson, and let the coaching staff manage him, and he’s worth a look. He’s got size, speed, and strength. He just got a cut, which should come as a serious dose of reality for him, and we should be able to scoop him up cheap. I’d be excited to see him in a Rams jersey. That one-two punch of physicallity would punish defenses. Tell me he’s worse than our current options!
If he keeps getting 15 yard penalties, he is.
You can’t count on the coaching staff controlling him. They weren’t able to control Cogs and finally had to cut him. I think the same would be true of Blount. Guys who are major hotheads like that seldom change and can’t be controlled.
We can't count on our coaching staff to control our players?
Sad to hear that. I suppose the best thing to do is a build a team of quiet, reserved guys who show little passion. The recipe for success! Rather than try to invest time in someone who has all the tools necessary to be successful, let’s instead get someone in their 30’s whose been nothing but a backup their entire career. So much for the future….
Who are you referring to?
“let’s instead get someone in their 30’s whose been nothing but a backup their entire career”
by CoachConnors on Sep 6, 2010 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions
my apologies
there were two postings I was responding too about Blount. In the other posting, someone had mentioned Willie Parker and Lidell Betts. Being from DC, those two ‘options’ are the ones I was referring to as 30-somethings that I don’t feel really provide any benefit for now or the future
Ah, I see
Parker was more than a backup, but yes, everyone available has some kind of question, him and Betts included
i kind of agree with andyhawk
Incognito just burned me out. He was sooo talented and yet killed drive after drive after drive with his penalties. We watched 3or 4 different coaches give him a “2nd” chance and he just couldn’t get it in check. It was a cancer and moral downer for the whole team. Blount looks talented but when is someone trying to show their best more than before they make the 53 man roster their first year? He couldn’t even contain it then so it makes me really question his ability at keeping it in check period… ya know?
bottom line: you can't make anyone be disciplined, they have to want to
but Spags sure tried to instill discipline. Called him out, benched him, finally let him go.
I don’t lay that failure on the coach….its on the player at that point.
So after you let a guy like that go, made an example out of him, you’re going to bring in another one? Well if they did that, maybe I would actually start to lay some of that on the coach.
Not satisfied, no
I’m just as concerned about OT as RB, but I don’t know if there is something valuable out there right now, either. I don’t think I’d hire someone, anyone just because the roster was weak in spots. In other words, just because there is a hole, doesn’t mean there is a peg.
but when Richie got with a strong
coaching staff and a strong organaztion I havent heard of any personal files and he is starting so maybe he didnt respect the coaching staff?
exactly!
couldnt agree with you more! It is their responsibility to control/discipline the players. Also, are we assuming that thats all he’s good for is minus 15 yards, and would provide no benefit on short yardage downs, or when SJ simply needs a break? I like a guy with tenacity. Didnt see much of that this preseason
these aren't children
they are professional football players and it is up to them and only them to control themselves. It is their profession that they are paid very well for. It is up to the coaches to warn them and then fire them if they do not perform their JOB with the right attitude and therefore hurt the team. Cogs isn’t acting up as much now because he finally got axed and got a reality check. If he screws up down there he will not recover from the reputation in the NFL. As for Blount, the only thing that makes me feel he could still benefit us is that he isn’t out there the whole game like Cogs was. It is alot either for the other team to get under someones skin when they are able to work on it play after play. Blount would at most come in for a play here and there most the time and therefore would probably be beneficial in those situations. My problem is in the case of SJ getting injured and he becomes the main guy. That is when his temper could make him more of a risk than a reward IMO
but he has the potential to be a starter if Jackson goes down
Darby doesnt he will always be a backup
It is their responsibility to control/discipline the players?
Ah no dude, thats kid stuff. These are men. Millionaire men. At this point its the coach’s responsibility to teach/drill a certain system of play into the team, not babysit
Really?
Your last comment perpetuates the reason that we have law enforcement. I was unaware that wealth and athleticism meant that you had the highest level of self-control
but that is why you fire them
As a boss, i feel it is my job to train an employee at their set skill and get as much productivity out of them as I can, while making it as enjoyable for them as I can. It isn’t my job to make them a good grown up. If their personality or outside desicion making disrupt my employee base as a whole I get rid of them as quick as possible because as the saying goes “one bad apple can spoil the bunch”. I don’t feel I am a bad boss because I couldn’t change their personality. That’s their job not mine. It is the same in football.
I hate to keep defending the guy, but
the Boise State player encited his own face-punching. Now, I certainly dont think that punching another player will ever be right, but I’ve got to say I like the tenacity, and I looooove the video. Outside of the right hook his size, speed, and power are really what I find attractive about his play
why do you feel all the other teams have passed on him?
I’m not trying to be a smart ass, I’m asking for your opinion on what’s going on there. I’m not familiar with the situation.
obviously I dont know all the details either,
I know he was a stud in college. I realize he made some bad decisions, but I dont feel like he’s unfixable. He’s still a kid. My thought, or hope, is that if we could get him in the right mindset, he could prove very beneficial to our team. Not that it’s SJ’s responsibility either, but if Blount wants to seek advice from one of the best in the league, I think we’ve got just the man to do so. Maybe veteran leadership is what he needs, not to be coached. I’m not 100% sold on him, just dont want to see us end up with a reliable has-been
"perpetuates the reason that we have law enforcement"...?
I don’t even know what you mean by that, but I do know the NFL coach’s job is to teach and drill a system of play, not babysit grown men. Spags did all he could be expected to do when he counseled him and benched him. After that, it’s completely on the player who, again, is all grown up.
It’s not like Spags didn’t try. He did all he could be expected to do. That’s all I’m saying.
I see your point, but...
am I the ONLY one that feels we need some help at the RB position? I’m hearing a lot of reasons NOT to take Blount, but with less than a week before the season begins, we’re running out of time and valuable free agents
Since We didnt get V.Jackson or TJ
what do you think about Matt Jones I know he not a number one WR but I think he could contribute
oh no.....lol
I completely 100% agree that we have to get a new RB stat….. just want to make sure we bring in the right personality for the team. If this was 4 years from now …. and our young team had matured and had a solid identity in the locker room I would be much more inclined to bring him in. He would be the young blood who looked to the room to mold him. Right now, i just think it is risky
Since the Rams
are playing it cheap I would get Lagerrete Blount , Matt Jones and get Offensive linemen I would take that for now!!!
I actually think we're ok at WR,
or at least I hope. I like the youth. I’m optimistic about the young guys in their 2nd year. I’d like to see Danario Alexander get healthy and on the field. His size would be huuuuuuge for Sam
+1
it is weird but i am ok with us not going outside and getting a wr for now
I believe priority s/b
1. Get a b/u RB (Julius Jones anybody?)
2. Get some “skilled” depth on the O-line (this one scares me if one of our starters go down for any length of time-Sean Locklear?).
3. Get a speed WR (Mark Clayton?)
o line is really freaking me out too!
depth is non existent
I think Juluis Jones
is washed up and they let go Mark Clayton?
You have to remember though.
Housh would have “wanted” to sign with the Rams. The Ravens are competitive with possible SB in their near future. We have a ways to go.
VJax still appears to be too costly (in terms of trade costs). Who knows what the Chargers really want.
I think this is a good pick up for us though. Gives us some speed.
I know literally nothing about Sean Locklear
please school me up to date. Please tell me he is an OT because that depth is where i am really scared for us.
Check out Seahawks, may be expendible due to them trading for...
Andrews & Polumbus and drafting Okung.
Yes, he is a tackle.
lmao
thanks for the link…. the comments below that article were cracking me up….“good luck sunday ladies”…haha…. to be honest that would be a good pick up for depth…. and it looks like they may cut him wich would be perfect for us as it would take no draft picks…. and since he is cut from the seahaws that would make it all the better
Wouldnt mind Julius
I think he’s got Randy Moss on the Raiders-itis. Julius ended up on a terrible team and he wasted years. He could potentially resurrect his career as our 3rd down guy. He’ll need to block, and he’ll need to catch.
pretty good from what I have read
which is important to keep Sam upright – I’d feel more comfortable with him and knowing his blocking assignments, then a younger/potentially higher upside guy that can’t pick up a blitz and leaves our franchise pick exposed.
He is decent receiving out of backfield too. Remember – this is a backup – the heir apparent to SJax is not needed out of this spot right now (but we still need better then Darby).
I should be working right now...
i'd like jones and bell
bell is too young for blitz pickup but great for next year and practive squad toston
According to ESPN Insider...
‘He is most effective when used in a rotation as he lacks the size and bulk to get all the carries for a season. He is most effective when used in a rotation as he lacks the size and bulk to get all the carries for a season.’ Outside of that it mentions that he’s quick, nimble, and patient, but he lacks size and explosiveness. Going back to the first sentence here……sounds like a pretty nice combo with SJ
whoops....the second line should be duplicated, should've read...
‘He is an effective receiver out of the backfield as well as on downfield routes’
Who you think
is going to wont more money Jones or Blount?
Rams get Clayton for draft pick
Would’ve like to have gotten someone with size……5’10 was not the size I was thinking. Not thrilled, but its an experienced reciever
ok there we go
we made a move now just get Blount and Shaun Locklear!
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