NFL Draft notes & the week 4 CFB watch list
by 3k on Sep 22, 2010 10:00 AM CDT
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PrintUnderstandably, as a team with limited talent who will likely end up with a top 10 pick in the 2011 Draft, the Rams are already pushing TSTers to start looking at the next draft with a keener eye than many other teams. This is life at the bottom, people.
Throughout the last few days, I've seen a couple comments wondering if it's too early to start thinking about the '11 Draft. I'm sure you guys know my answer - it's never too early. The Rams' front office can't wait until after week 14 to start thinking about the draft, so why should we as dedicated fans?
I know the college threads can be a bit boring. And most people watching the next generation of NFL players are enjoying them with friends imbibing something delicious, not commenting on TST, a Rams community, about college players. Believe me, I sympathize. It's a great way to spend a Saturday. But I think TST would be stronger if we (to steal a term from one of my favorite movies of the last decade, Black Dynamite) "collectamicize."
I'm not asking everyone to watch every game on my watch lists. And I beg you not to agree with my assessment of every prospect. Healthy debate is just that - healthy. But it only furthers our collective understanding if there is a discussion in the first place. So please, if you are motivated enough to start talking draft, check out the watch list one Saturday. Head over to Mocking the Draft. Take a look at my last mock, or anyone else's for that matter. Call in to Turf Show Radio, which, coincidentally, is every Saturday.
I'm not trying to whore myself out for eyeballs; I'm just trying to generate more discussion. There are a lot of bright minds here at TST. I often find myself changing my opinions based on valid, coherent, well-developed arguments from numerous people here, and I know there are people who are paying attention to the college game who aren't jumping in. I hope you will. I know I'm not the only person hoping more of those constructive discussions materialize in the months ahead.
If anyone has any suggestions on how to improve things, whether it's the watch list or the open threads for the college or anything, let me know. Please. What are you guys interested in? What positions or players are you looking to know more about that will feature in next year's draft? I'd love to hear from damn near every one of you...unless you wanted the Rams to take Tebow...then, feel free to sit this one out. Nah, I'm just playing. Everyone's opinion is valid. I may not agree with you, but I'll definitely hear you out.
So that being said, here's my week 4 college watch list. I'm eager to see some of these matchups this Saturday. And as always, for league-wide NFL Draft coverage, Mocking the Draft is a hell of a starting point.
Holler.
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Hmmmm, a piece of my mind?
Well 3k you make an interesting point on whether or not it’s to early for this kind of talk and well I must agree it is NOT to early given the fate of our team (EARLY ROUND PICKS). But before we can discuss the draft could we / should we discuss who would be selecting our draft picks? or does that over complicate the situation. Do we honestly believe BD and Spags will be here next year> with what record will Kroenke give them a pass? 3-13? where are we gonna get those 3 wins? Hmmm, it may be too early to discuss.
The only thing comparable to a Rams win is a 49er loss!
It's a fair qualifier
But Spags has to be on a hotter seat than Devaney. I don’t think Devaney has done a bad job as a GM at all, given how daunting a task it must have been to take his job looking at the roster he inherited. As for Spags, I said it in the offseason: I think he keeps his job through this offseason, but he’s going to have to get near .500 in 2011 to keep his job. So yes, I think they’ll both be here. You can’t give a head coach 2 years with the team we gave him and expect him to win many games.
You don't seem to want to accept the fact you're dealing with an expert in guerrilla warfare, with a man who's the best, with guns, with knives, with his bare hands. A man who's been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat puke. In *St. Louis* his job was to dispose of enemy personnel. To kill! Period! Win by attrition. Well, *Steven Jackson* was the best.
Agreed
I think people need to put the pitch forks down and realize what happened. Clear off almost an entire roster and start a new, while only….mainly building through the draft. They will need more than two years to get that back to respectability. In fact people should throw out last year entirely. Looking back at our situation, there really isn’t a way we should have anything more than 3 games.
The thing to consider here is that Kroenke has been here the entire time when these decisions were granted approval. He knows that this was going to happen and gave his graces to start this project.
We will see Billy D and Coach Spags back another year no matter what.
While I agree
it’s still not hard to notice some head scratcher decisions, and at some points, lack of movement (particularly at BU RB and WR.. we could have made some moves to help preserve SJAX ceiling and timeline).
It’s debatable nontheless, but another year will tell the tale.. are they setting up more favorable opportunities or simply falling along the wayside in todays NFL?
On a personal level, I do believe in the new regime, but if we can’t win even a couple games this year, even .500 next year will be tough. Teams like detroit and tampa are seemingly climbing out of the cellar, leaving us in their wake.
It’s sad we are a year behind most of the cellar dwellars right now, but waiting to draft Sam was oh so worth it.
You wait until he gets another year under his belt, coupled with some weapons that next year (albeit DE, LP we should draft) we can pick up, and we SHOULD be able to pick up some serious momentum in the W column Fear not my Rams faithful..
"The greatest accomplishment is not in never falling, but in rising again after you fall." - Vince Lombardi
Yeah, it's sad
and sure, .500 is “tough”, but look at the trajectory: 2-14, 1-15, whatever we finish with this year, 8-8… That’s a hell of a 2-year turnaround and puts you on the path to winning the NFC West, the same way the Cards did from 2006 on, going 5-11, 8-8, 9-7 and 10-6 since. If this is a 5-win year, next year’s a .500 year and we’ll follow that up with two division titles? I think we can get behind it.
You don't seem to want to accept the fact you're dealing with an expert in guerrilla warfare, with a man who's the best, with guns, with knives, with his bare hands. A man who's been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat puke. In *St. Louis* his job was to dispose of enemy personnel. To kill! Period! Win by attrition. Well, *Steven Jackson* was the best.
by 3k on Sep 22, 2010 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes.. looking at things now, with depth and injuries
I’m thinking 5 wins will be a dream.. is that being overly negative?
"The greatest accomplishment is not in never falling, but in rising again after you fall." - Vince Lombardi
I think so
but just barely, IMO
You don't seem to want to accept the fact you're dealing with an expert in guerrilla warfare, with a man who's the best, with guns, with knives, with his bare hands. A man who's been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat puke. In *St. Louis* his job was to dispose of enemy personnel. To kill! Period! Win by attrition. Well, *Steven Jackson* was the best.
by 3k on Sep 22, 2010 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Agreed Also
I would start new also. With the ability to rebuild as fast as teams have been able to do over the past 5 years. It would only make sense to start from scratch.
by SaluteYourShorts on Sep 24, 2010 8:58 AM CDT up reply actions
i like Devany too
You’re probably right, draft pick prospect coming soon
The only thing comparable to a Rams win is a 49er loss!
by DevsLaRams on Sep 22, 2010 10:53 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
Would love to see Ayers in blue and gold
Doubt he will be available in round 2 tho. He is a first round talent and someone who runs a 3-4 will snag him. He plays well at OLB or hands down on the D line. Dude is so talented.
He's legit
And UCLA’s got a great non-conference schedule. If Ayers performs well in the remaining big games (see: this weekend’s game against UT, their big Pac-10 matchups), I wouldn’t be surprised if he goes in the first.
You don't seem to want to accept the fact you're dealing with an expert in guerrilla warfare, with a man who's the best, with guns, with knives, with his bare hands. A man who's been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat puke. In *St. Louis* his job was to dispose of enemy personnel. To kill! Period! Win by attrition. Well, *Steven Jackson* was the best.
by 3k on Sep 22, 2010 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions
I did see some ayers highlights
and highly doubt he’ll be available in round 2.. agreed on the talent and I would expect a big game from him this weekent
"The greatest accomplishment is not in never falling, but in rising again after you fall." - Vince Lombardi
early wish list for 2011
knowing we need help at skilled positions but opting to finish building the lines, offense and defense and using the FA market for skilled positions.
1. OT Costanzo
2. DT Clayborn
of course if we have the first pick in 2011 I hope we could trade down for more picks and hopefully less cost, depends on the NEW BCA that gets worked out. Yeah I know my picks are boring but i think our lines still SUCK.
The only thing comparable to a Rams win is a 49er loss!
Thank you 3k my fellow draft brother
It’s about this time every year that my rams depression leads me to start making mock drafts, so i will most definitly be keeping my eyes open and doing my research to help add to our tst draft. And i think adding ot and dt the first two picks would be so dumb. How many times do you want to use a high pick on ot’s and d line and watch the rams suffer? Obviously WR is our first priority and we will take A J Green, without a doubt
3k
I will be keeping an eye on that North Carolina Defense. They are well known this year and if Austin comes back soon, they could be extremely dirty. Having top prospects at DT, DE, OLB, and DB on one defense is always intriguing….ala USC of old. I want to see how Quinn comes about….he is a Freak.
It sucks
because they have so many talented prospects yet to see the field. You have to wonder how the time off is going to affect their games and therefore their stock. I would have loved to have gotten a true LSU-UNC game earlier this year, but hey, the NCAA decided to crack down, even though they haven’t done so for the last 20 years or thereabout.
You don't seem to want to accept the fact you're dealing with an expert in guerrilla warfare, with a man who's the best, with guns, with knives, with his bare hands. A man who's been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat puke. In *St. Louis* his job was to dispose of enemy personnel. To kill! Period! Win by attrition. Well, *Steven Jackson* was the best.
by 3k on Sep 22, 2010 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Baldwin is a possibility
However he doesnt have great route running or speed and at his size and weight he’s begging for a knee injury soon. I think Julio Jones and Floyd are products of their respective programs, and are second round material
Jones is a late first rounder at best.
He has been completely pwned by Patrick Peterson (though most NFL WRs would be too).
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Quinn is a freak but..
I am never comfortable taking hybrid de olb types because they can turn into total busts, i e vernon ghoulston, or just average like robert ayers and aaron maybin . I will have my eye on the big east this weekend especially usf’s wr Lindsay Lomar a converted rb. We could get him in a middle round and Devaney seems to like that program
Lindsey Lamar's an interesting prospect
As a true soph, he’s not draft eligible until next season. Still, he is shifty. I could see a 4.3 range 40 time for him. The key is to stay healthy, because he is silly small.
You don't seem to want to accept the fact you're dealing with an expert in guerrilla warfare, with a man who's the best, with guns, with knives, with his bare hands. A man who's been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat puke. In *St. Louis* his job was to dispose of enemy personnel. To kill! Period! Win by attrition. Well, *Steven Jackson* was the best.
by 3k on Sep 22, 2010 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Another thing to take into consideration
when trying to predict Devaney drafts. He does not like big name players, besides of course bradford, he tries to be slick and find off the map diamond in the rough types, he doesnt even really draft from reputable programs especially in the later rounds. Hall Davis, Fendi Onobun, Eugene Sims, roy Schuering, John Greco, Keith Null, Brooks Foster etc while passing up on the likes of Anthony Dixon, Ben Tate,Jon Jerry, Legarret blount(understandably so) erin henderson from lsu in 08 and picking up chamberlain, and vobora.If Devaney is still around next year we’ll draft another gaggle of unknown players as well
It's possible
but it depends on your notion of “unknown.”
You don't seem to want to accept the fact you're dealing with an expert in guerrilla warfare, with a man who's the best, with guns, with knives, with his bare hands. A man who's been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat puke. In *St. Louis* his job was to dispose of enemy personnel. To kill! Period! Win by attrition. Well, *Steven Jackson* was the best.
by 3k on Sep 22, 2010 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions
My main concern is
running back. It’s looking more and more like Sjax might not be around long, and as we all no, we have no backup. RB is a position that can bloom immediately with the right pair of legs, and it’ll help out Bradford immensely
Agreed
It’s just a matter of where. Like I’ve said, we have to draft a RB next year in the 5th or earlier. Personally, I’d like a 2-4th rounder. And he’s got to be small and quick. There’s plenty of candidates next year, it’s just a matter of getting the right guy and putting him in the right situations.
You don't seem to want to accept the fact you're dealing with an expert in guerrilla warfare, with a man who's the best, with guns, with knives, with his bare hands. A man who's been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat puke. In *St. Louis* his job was to dispose of enemy personnel. To kill! Period! Win by attrition. Well, *Steven Jackson* was the best.
by 3k on Sep 22, 2010 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Quizz Rodgers anyone?
Why not keep the Oregon State line going. This kid is amazing and extremely versatile.
by Ramfan from Seattle on Sep 22, 2010 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Versatile in college
I doubt he’d be so in the NFL, but as a COP back? Me likey.
You don't seem to want to accept the fact you're dealing with an expert in guerrilla warfare, with a man who's the best, with guns, with knives, with his bare hands. A man who's been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat puke. In *St. Louis* his job was to dispose of enemy personnel. To kill! Period! Win by attrition. Well, *Steven Jackson* was the best.
by 3k on Sep 22, 2010 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Noel Devine
Would be great for us and SJ39 I like how he runs and I’m cool going with someone on Defense or on the offense side of the ball in the first round. I hope we can get Jones the wide out from Bama over A.J. Green . Green is a slim type guy and Jones is strong with a body to him. Oh lets take some good looks at that North Carolina team them guys or good.
A.J. Green is very good.
Julio Jones is not.
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Projected Round
In the Excel doc, which I probably found far more interesting than I should, do you determine your projected round based upon your straight up assessment of their talent, or do you use a positional ranking system. Or something completely different?
Just wondering.
you win just for seeing, and quoting, Black Dynamite
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You don't seem to want to accept the fact you're dealing with an expert in guerrilla warfare, with a man who's the best, with guns, with knives, with his bare hands. A man who's been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat puke. In *St. Louis* his job was to dispose of enemy personnel. To kill! Period! Win by attrition. Well, *Steven Jackson* was the best.
by 3k on Sep 22, 2010 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions
the rams draft should be
round 1 Dominic Alvis
round 2 Julio Jones
round 3 Demarco Murray
that would be a great draft for us!
?
I don’t see how Julio Jones escapes the 1st round, but he’d be one amazing 2nd round pick. DeMarco Murray is okay, but again, I’d love to see a smaller, quicker back working with AxJax.
You don't seem to want to accept the fact you're dealing with an expert in guerrilla warfare, with a man who's the best, with guns, with knives, with his bare hands. A man who's been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat puke. In *St. Louis* his job was to dispose of enemy personnel. To kill! Period! Win by attrition. Well, *Steven Jackson* was the best.
by 3k on Sep 22, 2010 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions
my bad wrong name
Adrian Claybourn from Iowa
Makes much more sense
I thought you had me stumped. I was wondering who the hell this other Dominic Alvis was and why I had never heard of him. Don’t confuse me like that, 201
You don't seem to want to accept the fact you're dealing with an expert in guerrilla warfare, with a man who's the best, with guns, with knives, with his bare hands. A man who's been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat puke. In *St. Louis* his job was to dispose of enemy personnel. To kill! Period! Win by attrition. Well, *Steven Jackson* was the best.
by 3k on Sep 22, 2010 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions
i follow the SEC pretty closely.
Julio Jones is nowhere NEAR that good. Patrick Peterson on the other hand, is much much better.
Gregatron is not responsible for any of the crap he just wrote.
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I love em both
I still see Julio Jones as the next Randy Moss. I do. And yes, Patrick Peterson is great.
You don't seem to want to accept the fact you're dealing with an expert in guerrilla warfare, with a man who's the best, with guns, with knives, with his bare hands. A man who's been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat puke. In *St. Louis* his job was to dispose of enemy personnel. To kill! Period! Win by attrition. Well, *Steven Jackson* was the best.
by 3k on Sep 22, 2010 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions
If he came in today
Peterson would be the fourth or fifth best corner in the league. Give him a few more years.
They guy is 220 lbs and runs a freakin 4.4 forty!
Gregatron is not responsible for any of the crap he just wrote.
St. Louis vegetarian blog
You're preaching to the choir, brother
You don't seem to want to accept the fact you're dealing with an expert in guerrilla warfare, with a man who's the best, with guns, with knives, with his bare hands. A man who's been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat puke. In *St. Louis* his job was to dispose of enemy personnel. To kill! Period! Win by attrition. Well, *Steven Jackson* was the best.
by 3k on Sep 22, 2010 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions
If we pick in the top 5 would you take Julo Jones?
This goes to debate of best player available vs position of need
"The greatest accomplishment is not in never falling, but in rising again after you fall." - Vince Lombardi
hehe
You’re dropping Julio hate all over this thread! It’s all good. Just gotta agree to disagree. But hey, we agree on A.J. Green and Patrick Peterson. Two out of three ain’t bad. And besides, you’re like everyone in my family: LSU biased like a mug!
You don't seem to want to accept the fact you're dealing with an expert in guerrilla warfare, with a man who's the best, with guns, with knives, with his bare hands. A man who's been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat puke. In *St. Louis* his job was to dispose of enemy personnel. To kill! Period! Win by attrition. Well, *Steven Jackson* was the best.
by 3k on Sep 22, 2010 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions
I will admit to being an LSU guy. :)
But Peterson is still a freak of nature.
Gregatron is not responsible for any of the crap he just wrote.
St. Louis vegetarian blog
I miss Rohan Davey
You don't seem to want to accept the fact you're dealing with an expert in guerrilla warfare, with a man who's the best, with guns, with knives, with his bare hands. A man who's been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat puke. In *St. Louis* his job was to dispose of enemy personnel. To kill! Period! Win by attrition. Well, *Steven Jackson* was the best.
by 3k on Sep 22, 2010 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions
WR's outside the 1st round
Outside of the top four projected WR’s, what chance do you give for Terrence Toliver, Austin Pettis or Leonard Hankerson to develop into genuine #1’s in the NFL?
If one of those were assessed as a potential #1 (I’m probably clutching at straws I know), I’d love to see the Rams go D line early next year, say Adrian Clayborn or Cameron Heyward in round one and then Jerrell Powe, Stephen Paea or Allen Bailey in round two. We’d be set for years in the trenches on both sides of the ball.
I think, though it's early, I prefer to just keep it simple this year
I’m gonna make a shopping list up and adjust it throughout. I still think, besides QB, MLB, RB, SS, and LDE, we need to draft for talent. BPA is a solid philosophy for a rebuilding team. Until we subscribe to that I can’t take Devaney and company serious when it comes to draft day.
I like Patrick Peterson right now. I like playmakers, though I value linemen more. The talent this year is in the playmakers. I’ve said it before, you’ve got to take what the draft gives you, unless you’re already pushing for a title, and, obviously, we won’t be doing that until we nail a few of these drafts in a row, or get busy in free agency. I also like Akeem Ayres, AJ Green, Claiborne, Quinn, Darius, Heyward and Baldwin. Realistically, at this point I’d be happy with any of these guys as our #1, and ecstatic if one of them slipped to us in the second.
Believe it or not
I watched this kid last year against Ashland Univ. (OH). The kid is ridiculously good at snapping the ball. especially compared to other Division 2 snappers. I was a punter back in college and he stuck out to me. when i saw grand valley state on this blog i couldn’t believ that his name has made it to a st. louis blog. the power of the internet!!!
by SaluteYourShorts on Sep 24, 2010 9:06 AM CDT up reply actions
LOVING the Black Dynamite reference.
saw it recently… AMAZING.
definitely 3rd best film of the year (UK got released this year)
Bradford to Onobun!
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