Things Have Got To Change
by VTramsFan on Sep 19, 2010 7:04 PM CDT
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Well, another loss. This one really stung. While I know we are young, I felt today there were some glaring issues that look all too familiar that really have no excuse. I thought I would sound off about them here.
Spags: I love you man, but I was really expecting more from you from a game management standpoint. You have also shown absolutely no emotion on the sidelines.
Several times there were bad calls today, and maybe if you barked a bit early, Robbins may have got a pass on a "ticky tack" call to begin with, and we may all be celebrating a victory. Also, I was all for the 4 pillar thing early on but the bottom line is, we need some players. It's obvious.
I am convinced we have a serious problem here, not just "lack of experience".
Shurmer: Sam has looked like an absolute superstar on many occasions. You have shown lots of confidence in this young man, so why not let him utilize his talents?
This "dink and dunk" stuff has got to go, period. Teams load up the box, and that covers SJAX as well as our short pass game. I saw about 10 fake end arounds today. We have yet to run one end around all year. You heard that right. Not one. It kinda helps if you run one occasionally.
Devaney: How about making a few phone calls and picking up some talent. All year we hear you are, "in talks" with someone. Then you deny it. Then we hear it again. Then you say you decided against it. Come on now. How many more losses is it going to take to get some players here.
For all those ticked at Josh Brown: Yea, so he missed a FG. I'm not blaming him for this loss though. Kickers miss FG's on occasion. That's life. Heck, their kicker missed one as well, yet they got the W. I will admit, it did play out as a big miss. BUT good teams should overcome things like this.
That's really all I have to say. You may all get back to your alcohol, or antacids... or in my case, both. Also, sorry Van for pushing your post down. I didn't think you'd mind getting that one buried a bit anyway. Pathetic game.
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Yeah he is gutzy...
…after last year, I dont know why they needed to go get campbell. I watched his comback against the steelers.
we got him for basically free
and Grad was hurt during the preseasonn
Win, Lose, or Tie, Raiders til I die!
For now, it's a lack of experience that's hurting us on the offensive line.
Saffold and Smith had trouble, but it’s too early to say they are bad players. Our defense is fine. Grant missed a big tackle on the long McFadden run, and Fletcher dropped an INT on the next play, but that stuff happens.
Spags is still cool in my book, his game management was fine today. Not his fault the players didn’t execute. I also disagree that he has no emotion on the sidelines. It’s obvious that he’s very passionate about winning and this team, and uses his brain a lot of the time to put us in a position to win, and he really cares. His defense was outstanding today, I love seeing all these blitzes.
Also, don’t blame Devaney for a lack of talent. We have a lot of talent on this team. The defense is very talented, especially in the secondary. The defensive line and linebackers probably need another player each, but we’re fine. The offense has a little bit of talent. Obviously we have Bell, Brown, Jackson, and Bradford. I also am faithful that Smith and Saffold will become good players. Clayton is a fine player, and so is Laurent Robinson and Danny Amendola. Amendola and Gilyard both need to improve a lot, but they will with time. Amendola is obviously much better than he was last year, and he still has room to grow.
Shurmur needed to stretch the field more so the Raiders didn’t just push up on the line of scrimmage and not worry about the deep ball.
Also, is it Spagnuolo or Flajole that calls defensive plays? Just wondering…
i agree with stop
god hes the only rational person here
VT we lost by 2 points! it was close the raiders arent bad! we need to support these guys we cant ham up on them because of one loss… comeon guys they played well overall we had a VERY bad 3rd quarter thats the difference here thats it if spags can get them to play hard all 4 qtrs we win this game and i think we will perform better next week against a redskins team that although improved has always been a team weve been able to compete with
dude WTF man be optimistic
and weve been great agaisnt the skins past 2 years we stopped them when they were 5-0
This is a different Redskins team.
Although I think we have a chance if we make some plays, I wouldn’t be surprised if they pulled away in the second half.
oh i know they are much improved but the rams appear to match up well with them right now
mcnabb is the x factor there well see
Each week the Rams play they improve a little. Its another game under their belt, and if you remember Peyton Manning didn’t exactly light the league on fire and the Colts didn’t exactly make a playoff run in his first year.
Sam has shown alot of the skills that Manning did his first year, and the Rams have been close in two games. All things considered, change one play in two different weeks and the Rams could be 2-0. Teams need to learn how to win, the Rams are getting a crash course in that right now.
by kickasskeever on Sep 20, 2010 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions
If it were the Colts, Jets, Saints, etc, I would feel a bit better
"The greatest accomplishment is not in never falling, but in rising again after you fall." - Vince Lombardi
Weren't prepared for him?
Your kidding right? The only difference between when Bruce and Campbell played is that one executed what the Raiders were trying to do. He doesn’t call the plays, he just executed them.
If your saying that the Rams weren’t prepared for him, then the coaching staff is more inept then I thought.
Sam Bradford drops back, sees Laurent Robinson in the open, and he completes the pass for a gain of 28! Oh- Wait, looks like a holding penalty is going to call this one back...(Oh wait; Barron's gone, ignore that last sentence).
no thats correct... you dont gameplan around the backups tendencies you might not even take a look at those.... you gameplan for the starter as was evident by how well the rams played against campbell....
gradkowsi beat the rams the same way he beat the steelers last year… by getting out of the pocket and extending plays and we werent prepared for that
Really?
You think the Raiders are a playoff team and not that bad. Come on man. That is really a stupid thing to say. If we can’t beat the Raiders who are we going to beat. A loss is a loss in my eyes and this team needs to start showing me something. We have a cupcake schedule and will still be tough to win 4 games. Check out the Lions. Talk about Talent. Jahvid Best is a beast, Suh, Stafford, Calvin. Now that’s talent. I feel way better about their young players than I do ours. Bradford is going to be awesome but we have so many other holes. I’m with VT on this one and really dissapointed in this loss.
Talent
I think Bradford will end up much better than Stafford. Also, the lions haven’t drafted o-linemen like we have lately, so if saffold and smith can turn out nearly as well as we think they can, we will be set there for a long time to come. Laurinaitis, Fletcher, Murphy, Atogwe, Hu oh, Onubon (potentially), Selvie (potentially) are good core young players also. I really hate to say this but it looks like we are one year of experience and one good draft away from truly competing. I do understand Long is good, but using the second overall pick of the draft on him kills me. That’s where Suh was taken and the difference of potential between the two is not even comparable.
NcRam55 StopSte and I appear to be the only optimistic guys around here...
and the lions o-line is awful
when defending your team (and my team), do not say "core players"
and mentioned two rookies who haven’t done crap, one rookie who had a big INT although its still two games….
i’ll just eliminate the two TEs, Murphy, and Selvie because there is literally nothing that tells us they will except hopeful optimism not sense though
anyway besides our core players couldn’t shine the shoes of the lions’ core players
stafford, best, calvin, suh (Delmas – i could argue Pettigrew too but only if you insist our TEs are “core”) >>>>> bradford, lauranitis, long… i guess fletcher (not my idea of core again)
by stlcardsfan4 on Sep 20, 2010 12:52 AM CDT up reply actions
you really think stafford is any better than bradford? i think calvin johnson is a huge advantage but they really have no upside at o-line at all. And I guess what i meant by core player was core to the rebuilding process. i will admit that selvie really has done nothing so far but i like him and especially murphy so thanks for jumping on my terminology and optimism…
By next year I will be very disappointed if Bradford, Laurinaitis, Fletcher, Atogwe, Murphy, and hopefully to some extent selvie, have not established themselves as solid contributors to a winning effort.
Btw, if I was talking about current core players dont you think I would have mentioned SJ?
I think if we draft wr/de 1 and 2(either or, preferably de 1, in hopes jones or floyd falls to second), and say devine falls to second, then you would really think they have a huge edge on us? they are gonna have to draft o-line eventually, no matter how much it might kill people who only care about the highlights reels…
floyd has a bit of an attitude problem so maybe
also stafford isnt as good as bradford thats already clear
Lions are one year ahead of us in their rebuilding period.
They drafted their franchise qb last year which freed them up to take Suh this year. Next year, with Bradford having one year experience under his belt, we’ll be able to add more skill positions and depth on top of the foundation we’ve built the past two years. Where we are and where the Lions are cannot be directly compared IMO.
very true
but we also got marquee positions in the right order.stafford is getting hurt as a by product of being late to reinforce the tackle positions.
thus stunting his development. we got our tackle first, then added another at the same time as qb.
wr can come next year, DE already here, depth also being provided.
they may be a year ahead, but I think we have gone about it better.
Bradford to Onobun!
this comment is unbelievable
downright trollish if you ask me
by stlcardsfan4 on Sep 20, 2010 12:49 AM CDT up reply actions
i mean out of nowhere he brings religion into a smart football argument
which makes his points pretty much invalid and everyone will ignore him
by stlcardsfan4 on Sep 20, 2010 12:53 AM CDT up reply actions
Even in Oakland we don't tend to troll like this
but I don’t think he was saying God, I think he was saying god. As in “god, that sucks”
Win, Lose, or Tie, Raiders til I die!
Who else can you blame for a lack of talent?
I’m not saying Devaney’s bad, but it’s his job to get players. I mean, that’s like saying it’s not the corners fault that the secondary sucks
Sam Bradford drops back, sees Laurent Robinson in the open, and he completes the pass for a gain of 28! Oh- Wait, looks like a holding penalty is going to call this one back...(Oh wait; Barron's gone, ignore that last sentence).
What I meant was, we don't have a lack of talent.
Devaney has put together a very talented team. We are much more full of talent now than we were when he took over. We have set ourselves up for the future with a lot of good players.
again stop is the only other optimistic person here
and hes right we have tons of young quality talent: Sam Bradford, Jason Smith, Roger Saffold, Mardy Gilyard, Laurent Robinson, in fact just all our WRs then Ah You, chris long, george selvie,James Lauranitus, Larry Grant and Vobora, James Butler, Jerome murphy, craig dahl etc. etc. etc
Im pleanty optimistic
I summed this up earlier far more consicely, were talent but just young and raw. Its gonna take time.
Its gonna be damn hard in the mean time though.
I think we have plenty of talent.
We simply lack experience for the bulk of our talent. Hopefully next year, they’ll have enough experience that along with one more good draft class, they’ll be able to put that experience to use, and make a run at the division title.
by Terminus Est on Sep 20, 2010 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions
seriously, Pat Shurmur reminds me a LOT of the year our offense and especially the play-calling stunk so bad that management went to D. Vermeil and basically said, if you do not hire another offensive coordinator then this will be your last year.
Pat Shurmur is NOT the answer for the Rams now or the future. Bradford and the Rams deserves so much more (at $50mil).
It’s time to step up to the plate and swing the deal for V. Jackson…before it’s too late
GO RAMS!!!
Just think how the Saints would look...
with Shurmur calling their offense. Drew Bree’s would look like a bust. There running game would stink. and we would have never heard of marquis Colston or Devery Henderson. Just 5 yard passes to Lance Moore and quick dump-offs to Reggie Bush.
As we seen in the past,
a good Offensive Coordinater is just as important as the players he has to work with.
by Rams Homer on Sep 20, 2010 8:47 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
you thought our 2 tackles struggles today? Hell, check out the play of Bell and Goldberg. Where is Greco? Bell is now on my short-list of players that I will be monitoring very closely. What a waste of $$$
GO RAMS !!!
Former Tennessee players Means Coach Jeff Fisher already dumped poor talent
Wonder why he’s a former Ram employee – Front Office! Not ironic that Rams pick-up former Tennessee player Bell thinking he was good when Fisher already decided Bell was average!
Former players from any team
doesn’t necessarily imply they were dumped talent. Free agency happens for a variety of reasons.
Agree with you on Brown but
our Special Teams was supposed to be a strength but so far its just a liability. We need to either fire the spec teams coach or bring in kickers for tryouts just to shake things up
I AM SO SICK OF PAT SHURMUR!
They are pressing our receivers AND stacking 8 in the box and yet our receivers don’t run routes longer than 5 yards, HOW THE HELL IS SAM SUPPOSED TO GET A FIRST DOWN?! Receivers won’t get open because of it and the line can’t hold long enough with 6 or 7 coming in, do they want to ruin his confidence or something? THE REFS PISSED ME OFF MORE THAN ANYTHING! Every team gets bad calls BUT WHEN IT IS A GAME CHANGING ONE IN A CRITICAL MOMENT, YOU CAN’T HELP BUT WANT TO KILL THE REFS! THIS OFFENSE ACTUALLY HAS TALENT, THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO EXCUSE FOR THE POOR PLAY OF IT, GET YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR ASS AND FIRE SHURMUR. So mad =(
I used to upload the NCAA Football '09 and '10 rosters into Madden and always drafted Sam Bradford onto the Rams in Franchise Mode...I liked him before he was cool =)
Absolutely agree.
The Robbins roughing call was disappointing because it wasn’t real hard, but remember that the Rams also got an advantage on our fourth quarter TD drive because McClain got called for a personal foul when he made absolutely dominated Danny Amendola. Also, that one roughing call where we hit the QB and we got called for using our forearms was stupid. The ref was calling this game way too tightly all day. It’s football, everybody is wearing a helmet and pads. Blatant, late hard hits and helmet to helmets should warrant 15 yard penalties, not light shoves and hits that are half a second late.
That call wasn't lucky for us.
Well, it was considering the timing, but that will get called every time. You’re just not allowed to do that anymore. That was hardly a push on Bruce, protecting the quarterback is getting beyond ridiculous. They are not fragile children.
I hate Pat Shurmur.
Still though, Robbins knew it was end of game intensity
and he fracked it up – he gets no pass.
Atogwe, what can you say – he’s jynxed for being a boner in contract negotiations!
Youth no excuse
OK Mr. Kroenke open the wallet and get some players.Kansas City has a young tem they are 2-0.They may not win many but at least they’ve won 2.Theres players out there who can help please get them.
So, how many games will NFC West teams win outside the division this year?
From the first two weeks, it seems our division has the potential to be epically horrendous.
SHURMER MUST GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If practice makes perfect....
Yet nobodies perfect.....
Then why practice ???
The Rams replaced "SAD" (Front office, coaches and players) with "PITIFUL."
For many “sad” and “pitiful” reasons, the Rams are still the very worst the NFL has to offer. Maybe the organizations leadership, excluding the new owner, was more effective in “support/assistant” roles. If Stan Kroenke is committed to being a winner as he was with the NHL’s Colorado Avalance, he’ll realize that Bill Devaney doesn’t have what it takes to build a championship contender. He’ll also realize that Steve Spagnuolo was only as good a coach as the talent he was working with. (The Rams aren’t nearly as good as half of the leagues backup players). I see the Rams going 1-15 or 2-14 this year. Does drafting a future quarterback and “improving” by gaining one more win justifies keeping the front office and coaches around another year? Stay tuned.
spag
your comment on spag was contradicting. You basically said in the first part that spags is a bad coach and he was riding the skill of the giants defensive players Next you go on to say that our team isn’t as good as the backup players. If the second is true, i think most coaches would be hard pressed to win, and thus it would be impossible to make such a dumb, brash statement about spags so early.
SO SICK OF THIS LOSING. We will probably loose next week. We got torn up by DA and Gradkowski.
McNabb is a whole different beast compared to the two career backups. I am an optimistic guy but really the redskins should not loose the game next week unless they beat themselves.
Football players, like prostitutes, are in the business of ruining their bodies for the pleasure of strangers. ~Merle Kessler
to: Rams staff
You can take those pillars and RAM them up your hole! we need some F—-ing wins around here… good lord. Now what the hell am I gonna do for the next 15 weeks? Can’t keep watching this crap, my cat only has 7 lives left!
The only thing comparable to a Rams win is a 49er loss!
Couple thoughts
What really kills me is we spend a gazillion bucks on Bradford, who is awesome, and then we don’t use him correctly. I’m not worried about him making mistakes – who gives a shit when we are going to lose anyway. But at least take off the training wheels. If that’s not possible because the wide receiving corp is truly that devoid of talent, then waive them all. Seriously. The defense was fine today, as they were on the field the entire game and gave up 16 points. Special teams is still embarrassing – what are we going on, like, six years of that?
Worse, as others have said, they had a formula that worked in the first half with Jackson and the screens and then they completely changed in the second half….WHY????
Love Spags but how long before people are calling for his head?
Well, at least according to the radio
Jackson was banged up and his replacement sucks.
The whole offensive side of the team is poorly run. Not surprising since Spags is a defensive guy. But the plan was bad, the receivers are mostly bad. Clayton is likely a #3 guy on any other team, and Amenola a #4 (if that). On the flip side, the TEs have potential but they don’t use them for whatever reason.
And the entire running back is basically Jackson who isn’t the most durable player in the league. Which isn’t a knock against him, it’s a hard position – players get chewed up there, you need to share duties if possible. They haven’t done that.
I think Amendola could start at slot for most teams.
He’s good, we just don’t utilize it.
I hate Pat Shurmur.
Spags is not a real head coach just a Devaney puppet that simple every thing is 3rd rate on the Rams
This Devaney era looks more like a communist country’s effort to make a team some 3rd world country picking up all the cast offs and broken players and the players they have drafted are not shinning stars Bradford will shine in due time but the OL men and CB’s OLB are all average at best, we don’t have any real starters on this team its a fucking joke and I listen to what a nice guy Spags is and how every one likes him ,Fuck nice guys we need a Coach with big balls that can install his personality on this dead beat team and have the balls to fire players or coaches that are not doing there job This team needs discipline some thing bad and a stud for the last man back on defense ,you need a star safty in todays game ,we dont have one cover safty none of them can cover deep they all suck
So why exactly was an away game vs. the Raiders supposed to be easier than the Cards at home
Cards look awful this year too. Derek Anderson is terrible, Boldin is gone, Fitz is ailing. We are paying too much attention to last years records. Not saying the Raiders are that good, just saying the Cards of really f’ing bad.
I’ll be honest I think this loss is getting blown out of proportion. This isn’t like last year where essentially every game we were down after the half and then the other team totally pulled away, we had a legitimate shot at this one and shit happened. Bradford looked like a total Rookie QB for a quarter and that coincided with a line/SJax breakdown. As bad as we played, we outplayed the Raiders 3/4 quarters. Don’t forget that.
I think we need to get that first win out of the way. It just really sucks because all the fans are ready to jump off a cliff now and are going to abandon this team prematurely. Prepare for many blackouts in the future.
It's just the frustration from seeing the same crap we've been seeing for the past 2-3 years
Just from the last two weeks: critical turnovers, missed FG by our highly paid kicker, mind-numbing offensive play calling that allows a team to shut us down while playing 8+ guys in the box, a total lack of a deep threat, mediocre line play, poor clock/time out management, and idiotic penalties.
Yes, we’ve made a few improvements, but you could easily place these past two games anywhere into the past three years and nothing would seem out of place.
They would seem out of place
Because over the past 2-3 years we have very rarely actually been competitive in the game. Like the WAS game last year, we hung around and should have won. Thats our problem, besides the DET game last year we cant finish games off.
This was a perfect example of hanging around but not finding a way to win.
Devany can hire mwah for a great savings or poke the voodoo doll!
then Rams would win.
Let’s declare that Rams won’t ever compete again until dolly runs the team, neaaaaah!
We play IN the NFC west and are playing against the AFC west
Automatically we have one of the easiest schedules in the league
Receivers
need to play the youngin’s more to se what they got and to build chemistry with Bradford.
Bradford looked like a rookie today too by the way!!!
Man
I bet Leslie Frazier would of did better with us in his second year with the Rams he look like a guy that take chances like a Rex Ryan I’m just tried of loosing we need to win now and fast before we loose our team because people or going to stop going to the home games soon. We all seen that Bradford is good and look good when playing lets freaking get a #1 wide out hell bring Jackson in I don’t care I just want wins.
Totally agree with VT
If I were the Rams owner, I would ask the coaching staff about what we are missing here. First thing they would say is a deep threat… Who is best available out there? Vincent Jackson? I will get him tomorrow!!!
Steven Jackson deserves it
The defense deserves it
Sam Bradford deserves it
And…
Rams fans deserve it!!!
by abiRam on Sep 20, 2010 12:53 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
i am seriously sick of this vincent jackson crap
would he make us into 10 game winners… NO… playoff team? – NO… and he’d be out of these four games anyway so we’d still lose
btw, if people think Vjax can make the Rams into a playoff team, you are completely overrating the rest of this team’s talent level
by stlcardsfan4 on Sep 20, 2010 12:56 AM CDT up reply actions
Not this year
BUT hes a true #1 receiver and franchise QBs always have a true #1 receiver. Think about. Its not just for this year, its for the years ahead. He would be a massive upgrade over the years to come.
ehh people are calling for him after two losses
i put that correlation that he would have won us those two games which he might have, but it wouldn’t have mattered anyway cause he’s suspended
besides nobody else is trading a 2nd and/or 3rd, its pretty obvious that either that’s not his market value or the chargers are holding out for more
its not like he’s just sitting there and we passed up on a great oppurtunity
by stlcardsfan4 on Sep 20, 2010 1:05 AM CDT up reply actions
I wanted Marshall too...
… but VJ may be the best thing out there now…
Respetfully disagree at 100%
I am not saying that he would make us Super Bowl contenders right away but he would help us in the future.
What do you want to do? Get a WR next year and then wait 2-3 years for him to develop? In 2-3 years, Steven Jackson won’t be at his best and then we will have to fill another whole (#1 RB)… great… now, this is becoming a vicious circle.
Getting a true #1 WR would help Steven Jackson now. He can’t fight every single game against 8 guys stacked in the box. Bradford needs to a deep threat. We are not giving him a fair chance to be successful!
Furthermore, if we get a #1 WR now, we could focus on taking care of other needs in the draft.
Go Rams!
smh at you Rams fan's
Everyone knew that this would take sometime. The Rams have been bad after 5+ years of wasted draft picks, If you can’t see the improvement the team is making week to week, than idk what to tell you. Troy Aikman and Peyton Manning had bad rookie seasons. We found a great franchise QB, do you know how hard that is? Just ask the team that just beat us. Do we really want to “randomly” get good like when we won our last superbowl, or do we want to start havings winning seasons every year.
by Tevin T. Broner on Sep 20, 2010 1:04 AM CDT reply actions
hey idiot look at his 2 NFL games compared to nulls first 2
3 TD 4 INTs for bradford
2 TD 9 INTS for Null
end of convo
You want to compare there money too? lol not that i put Sam in the same class as Null
but if you want to throw the stats around like that tell us what there pay checks are too I would like to know for comparison reasons lmao,I think for the money Null was not too bad after all
The 2nd half of games will always be our problem
I’ve said this to every person that has asked how we lost. By the time the 3rd and 4th qtrs come around our defense will fold and give up the lead or let our opponent increase the lead they already have. The problem with getting the free agents we got was that we can’t afford to have our back ups in for any significant amount of time so our starters get some sort of breather. And although our offense is much improved, we still have our defense on the field for a majority of the game. Oakland had the ball for almost 37 minutes today. So with way below par back ups at a lot of positions our defense will get continue to get torched in the 2nd half. As I said all along: It may be cheaper to rebuild through the draft than through free agency, but at least when you sign a free agent you know what you are getting. With a rookie you are rolling the dice hoping to not crap out. Bottom line is that there is a reason free agents get the fat contracts. How we aren’t making an effort to get Vincent Jackson is a mystery. Yeah he’s got some DUI’s but so did Leonard Little, and he even killed someone, but we would’ve welcomed him with open arms. Give up the 3rd round pick and get Bradford a weapon that can keep defenses honest. Look at our 3rd round picks from past drafts and you have to agree that Jackson is worth the pick. Although we’ll have to quit being cheap asses and lock up a long term deal. But as always we’ll sit on our hands and watch our coaching staff call 10 yard routes while our defense slowly comes apart in 2nd half.
He plays like one, huh?
I guess that’s why Oakland avoided him all day, even in the redzone, refusing to throw his way? I guess all 2nd year 3rd rounders get that respect, huh?
Shut the hell up if you don’t know what the hell you’re talking about.
by Terminus Est on Sep 20, 2010 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Buddy that's how you all glorify any player just doing his job on this sight
So Oakland avoided Fletcher because they found easier ways to move the ball for you that makes Fletcher a Superstar CB now ? lol your a joke and its you that has no clue what your talking about,I don’t know of one team that would use Fletcher as a starting CB only the Rams so save it buddy I don’t need you to tell me who Fletcher is and what he can or cant play,after all when you all were bitching about drafting him last year with the No 3 pick I was the only one here that said he would be a good player for us,but in the real world you get what you pay for and like I said he plays like a No 3 .He is not a top tier CB in the NFL not yet at least
Its a 2nd and a 3rd
Then he has to want to stay here long term
by Tevin T. Broner on Sep 20, 2010 1:30 AM CDT reply actions
and by the way
when Vikings send that 3rd round pick over for Jackson we will all see what it’s like for a front office to realize what the teams need are and go out and take care of it. What a concept. Team needs #1 WR so they go get a #1 WR. I can only dream of having that type of management. And we’re going on year 2 for the need of a back up for Stephen. LOL a starting #1 WR? We can’t even get these guys to get us a BACK UP running back!!!
yeah Fletcher was a 3rd round pick
and I would say V Jackson is in top 10 WR club in NFL. Fletcher is far from top 10 CB and does not have ability to ever become one. Still looking for 1st Int. of his career. Does an avg. CB equal a #1 top 10 WR?
Nah its more like the 4 stooges Devaney Spags Shurmur and Flajole
That is the 4 idiots that are running this team im sorry to say there are no pillars here its more like a open house concept lmao every one can do what they like and since there is no one to report too , no real head coach ,no body is held accountable lol what a fucking joke this is
guys VJ isnt so great
hes not that athletic or fast just tall watch some of his film
also hes gotten 2 DUIs a 3rd is a full season suspension we cant risk big money on a guy with sketchy behavior
Stop trolling!
Football players, like prostitutes, are in the business of ruining their bodies for the pleasure of strangers. ~Merle Kessler
by mlkgandhiv2k on Sep 20, 2010 7:38 AM CDT up reply actions
vicious circle...
as a said above… ok, let’s wait for the draft to draft a #1 WR (who may or not be the real deal)… best scenario, it would take him 2-3 years to develop… then, Steven Jackson won’t be at his best anymore… then, we need a #1 RB… and we went full circle.
Act Now Stan! Go Rams!
This is how and when we find out what Owners are made off
I know about now I would be kicking ass and wrighting checks to fix every thing asap
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- Alex Smith gets blown up by Jon Beason over Cam Newton comments
